Attanasio will "nervously move payroll in the direction of $90 Million"
The team payroll has been at $80MM the last two years. The article also notes that his investment firm lost 30% of it's value in 2008.
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Payroll is interesting.
I wonder how much it will end up as at the end of this year. it’s at about 85 Mil now, but by the end of the year, it will certainly be higher. In 2009, I believe they were around $90 Mil by season’s end, after starting at about $80.
Either way I, for one, appreciate everything he’s done for my favorite team.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I concur
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 21, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe you got me to read an article written by that guy.
Most of it was regurgitated from TH’s article on the same subjects. While I’ve seen it quoted elsewhere, the thoughts of John Henry are still worth noting for baseball fans located outside of NY, Boston, Chicago and LA:
“Change is needed and that is reflected by the fact that over a billion dollars has been paid to seven chronically uncompetitive teams, five of whom have had baseball’s highest operating profits,” Henry wrote in an e-mail to the Boston Globe in December. “Who, except these teams, can think this is a good idea?”
MLB has historically been slow on the uptake regarding the purposes and limitations of revenue sharing. It still seems to me that at least half the owners really don’t get why they’re doing it at all, which would be mind-boggling enough by itself, but when you throw in the fact that the big markets have been paying in all that money without forcing the receiving teams to accept some kind of salary floor it becomes difficult to comprehend how folks good enough at business to end up owning an MLB franchise could be that short-sighted.
Maybe they find the whole concept so alien and offensive that they didn’t want to spend too much time thinking about it. Henry’s got a point, though he buries it by dragging in the fact that some of the recipients of that money aren’t competitive. There are always going to be bad teams in the MLB, and while 30 million per year is a lot of money, it’s not enough to convert a bad team into a good one through the magic of free agency, and he’s a smart enough guy to know it. If you cut through the asshattery in his rhetorical question and ignore the “uncompetitive” adjective, you get to the point that should concern everyone: the fact that several teams are essentially stealing the money.
That pisses me off. Baseball economics are completely fucked up, with the big market owners genuinely believing that they deserve to have 10 times the resources as the bulk of their competitors and that the league is best off if every year the Yankees and the Red Sox play in the ALCS and the Dodgers/Cubs/Phillies play in the NLCS. The fact that ESPN spends 90% of their MLB coverage fellating the Yankees and Red Sox doesn’t help things. But after being brow beaten by Bud for nearly 20 years, they finally bought the idea that the rest of the league should be a little better than the Washington Generals, at least, and they agreed to kick in some cash (though not enough to upset the large market oligarchy more than once a decade or so) in support of that idea. And now they’re a little pissed at the teams that are pocketing the money, which puts the Brewers share of that money at risk, regardless of the fact that (lately at least) they’ve been using that money to help them put a pretty good ball club on the field.
I’m quite certain they’ll use the Brewers to beat the hell out of the Royals and Pirates of the world, and I’m also quite certain that, when faced with the prospect of losing that cash, they’ll choose to spend a little more in the years to come. They might even tie a minimum salary floor to the money in the future. But without a cap and broader revenue sharing, it’ll all be pretty meaningless. I don’t really doubt that extra cash has helped the Brewers be a better organization (or at least made it easier to take advantage of the resources and talent it had ). But it’ll give the John Henry’s and the Wannabe My Big Daddy Steinbrenners of the world the chance to: continue to limit revenue sharing at every opportunity; kick in enough money towards the small market clubs to give them some political cover with the commissioners office, the players union, and congress, and beat up their small market counterparts in the press for (GASP!) not finding a way to win with 10-50% of the resources they enjoy.
Just like Jose Canseco, John Henry’s right.
But he’s still a dick.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 22, 2010 12:00 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
I'm afraid to say anything now
It might detract from the epic awesomeness of TSSC’s comment.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 22, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
Hypocracy
Would the Stienbrenners of the world feel the way they do about the Brewers and other small market teams if the alternative were to put additional teams where the market is? New York City has 27 million people compared to Wisconsin’s 3 million – maybe he should split up his market with 6 more teams and they can all fight it out in their own division, and fight for market share.
They should be thankful for the small market teams’ ability to field a competitive team without tapping into their market. It creates the illusion that their achievements are earned against a huge field of competitors even though the core metropolitan teams cover a majority of the national population.
Floors are bad ideas
Anytime a ‘price floor’ is put into place, there are economic ramifications that out weigh the gushy feel good of having the floor in the first place. All having a ‘floor’ will do is increase the price of free agency. You think paying $7M for LaTroy Hawkins is bad – imagine how bad it would be with seven more teams actively competing for his services would be…
Adding another team to NY won’t put a real dent into the NY fan base – see ‘Mets, New York’, ‘Nets, New Jersey’ & Devils, New Jersey’
by Saberilliterate on Feb 22, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Awesome
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 22, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think they may have to go to a salary cap.
I don’t like the idea but I don’t see how else to make things fair to all teams without one. Even if teams put all their revenue in one pool, all teams like the Yankees have to do is give themselves less money from the YES network and put the money into the Steinbrenners pockets, then into the team instead. I really don’t like the salary cap idea. I am not in favor of billionaires pocketing more money.
A few other ideas.
1)All players have to go through the draft. Big advantage for teams when there is a whole pool of players nobody else has a chance at.
2)Draft pick compensation stays similar except when a team signs multiple type “A” free agents the compensation picks after the first start at the end of the 1st round instead of dropping to a 2nd or 3rd round pick.(for example instead of getting an extra 2nd round pick for CC our pick would have been the first compensation pick after the first round and Toronto would have had a pick just after that instead of a third round pick for Burnett)
3)Type “A” and “B” free agent rankings get tweaked so they actually use useful stats and we don’t have guys like Looper as a type “B”
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I was afrait of this day
mark a not feeling comfortable freely spending because of his other investments also losing out.
If anything
I’m worried about him losing money on the team and getting a new owner that immediately pinches pennies again. I’d take a Mark A team at $85 million and an extra $5 million profit to a $90 million payroll and Mark A having to sell the team to a mystery buyer.
by ecocd on Feb 22, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it's as bad as all that.
First of all, it’s 2010, not 2009, so the loss Mr. Hunt cites, while still major, occurred some 14 months ago. And if Attanasio is like most investors, he recouped a significant portion (and maybe all) of that loss in 2009.
The upside of Attanasio’s insistance of tying expenses to the business income is that he wasn’t sinking a great deal of his personal fortune into the payroll, and thus when his own finances took a hit in 2008, he wasn’t in a gigantic rush to pull the money back out. He’s nervous because he’s pushing the envelope based on the Brewers revenue streams, not because he doesn’t have as much money in his own pocket as he used to.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 22, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Right, but this has been one of his positive investments, so hopefully it helps him feel more comfortable
investing more in this little endeavor.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
"will"
or hypothetically could happen if comets took out St. Louis, LA and maybe Chicago, NY and Philly?
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 22, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yet another reason to be thankful for Mark A.
He’s willing to do what it takes for a win, even if it means taking an economic risk.
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
to win*
not for a win
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
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