Player A vs. Player B
by roguejim on Feb 7, 2010 6:13 PM CST
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Print* Player A: .340/.453/.793 in 2009
* Player B: .335/.418/.753 in 2009
Player A's OPS from 2009 was his lowest since 2003, and he has averaged 30+ home runs/season since then (including 27 last year). Player B's OPS has been dropping in each of the past two seasons, as has his home run total. Plus, Player B has become increasingly annoying, and is demanding too much money in arbitration.
Player B, of course, is Corey Hart. Player A, though, is Jermaine Dye, who is currently a free agent that no one seems interested in. Dye turned down a $3.3 million offer from the Cubs a week and a half ago; unless they were laughed out of the room by Dye's agent, it's certainly possible that Dye could be had for (about) Corey Hart money.
The good news, were the Brewers interested, is that the Pale Hosers didn't offer Dye arbitration, so even though he is a Type A free agent, the Brewers wouldn't have to hand over a draft pick. The bad news is that Dye is one of the worst defensive outfielders out there. (Then again, that's what GoGo Gomez is for.)
I admit, I've pretty much soured on Hart. More to the point, I'm worried that he's not going to rebound to anywhere near 2007 levels. (Besides, with Cameron gone, we're short on aging outfielders.) Soooo...who do you think will have the better year in 2010, Corey Hart or Jermaine Dye?
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I will refrain from voting
Because I do not think Jermaine Dye is a good fit whatsoever. I also can’t stand Corey Hart, but I think he’ll most likely be roaming RF in 2010.
I’d prefer to just give the starting RF job to Jody Gerut.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
If Dye was a reasonably bad defender it would be close
But he’s horrendously, atrociously bad. So bad it counteracts all of his hitting talent and more. I’d project Hart to be a better overall player this year.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Mythically bad!
Over the last four seasons he’s been worth an astounding 83.5 fielding runs below replacement (based on UZR). In ’07 and ’09 he had respectable .343 and .344 wOBA, yet was still so terrible in the field as to have negative value.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Oh c'mon
aren’t you just a little curious to see how bad “mythically bad” would be?
I think to be mythically bad, on a single to right field, he would pick up the ball, stuff it in his pants, run into the crowd, and ask various fans to play the Potawatomi crazy hat shuffle.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Feb 8, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Ryan Braun did this at 3d base...
And as a side note, to any of the men that stuff things in your baseball pants, make sure to do it in the front, as if you stuff the back, you get a very undesirable effect..
The More you Know…..
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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 8, 2010 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
G.I. JOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I was laughing so hard at this this morning
That my wife had to ask me what I read that was so funny. She didn’t find it nearly as funny as I did, especially since I couldn’t read it without cracking up.
That being said, I think “mythically bad” would be more like Milton Bradley trying to slay the Triclops in the stands with the two-out baseball with runners on base. While trying to avoid wrecking on the rocks due to the siren’s song of course.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 8, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
That's not too bad...
The last time I showed my girlfriend anything to do with baseball the reply I got was an angry “I really wish you’d stop going on about Manyan”.
Mind you, she knows absolutely nothing about baseball and, with Randy Johnson now having retired she’s probably the only person in the whole world who has Russel Branyan as literally the sole baseball player in the whole world she can name. Not Pujols, A-Rod, CC, but Branyan. Obviously this whole story says more about me than her, but hell…
"I hope your name is Rick"
You should probably get her this for Valentine’s Day then.
by TheJay on Feb 9, 2010 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd buy it...
on the basis that I’m guessing it’ll include the Cubs 1092nd consecutive failure to win a World Series…
"I hope your name is Rick"
by MrLeam on Feb 9, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Oddly...
… my wife loves sci-fi, but baseball, not so much.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 9, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
I have a hard time digesting the # of married people we have here.
Where did you all find these tolerant, mythical creatures?
I was drunk. Sue me.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 10, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Tolerant is the right word.
She’ll go see movies like The Road and The Book of Eli with me and love ‘em as much as I do. Heck, the cheesier the sci-fi, the more she likes it (and I’m talking about Atomic Tornado bad).
But she is NOT a fan of baseball on TV. I eventually got her hooked on the NFL, and she likes going to the ballpark. But about the time I turn FSN for the 30th consecutive night in the summer, the sighing starts…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 11, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
The sighing at baseball only starts 30 nights in?
You’ve done well there…
"I hope your name is Rick"
Corey Hart Bashing? Give 'em another year or two
Now that even Michael Hunt (Mike-Hunt, say it fast) is bashing Corey Hart, it is officially time to pull off the dogs and see what #1 actually does this year, his 3rd full season. Cripes, give him a break.
Michael Hunt
I never saw his name and thought of it that way.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
sorry, my sarcasm avalanche must have skipped your side of the mountain,
deciding instead to destroy the village below.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Feb 8, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
haha
you sir, deserve a rec!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 8, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
I always forget that Milwaukee is home to 4 years of mediocrity based on 'upside'
Ah hell…give him another shot! Maybe he can put it together in his 5th year!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 8, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
they should put a statue outside Miller Park
dedicated to mediocrity. Oh, wait….
"I like Suppan"
- Noah J. on 12/22/09
by molitorfan on Feb 8, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think he was referring to the just-announced statue of Bud Selig
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 9, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
I got it but I thought a Yost statue would be funnier
by Donald Driver on Feb 9, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Not to represent mediocrity, it wouldn't.
Follow: @mykenk. Read thoughts: http://mhenk.blogspot.com.
I think that very few things represent mediocrity better than Yost
by Donald Driver on Feb 12, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I think Yost is below mediocre
and that’s the point Yourkenk is making.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 12, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yet still the best manager this teams had recently.
begin loudsigh.
Follow: @mykenk. Read thoughts: http://mhenk.blogspot.com.
Probably true...
… anytime I take a position that Michael Hunt agrees with, it’s time to switch sides.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 8, 2010 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Recount indeed
Yes, 4th full season; obviously I am still living in 2008, as if 2009 never happened.
by One-Flap Down on Feb 16, 2010 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
I can't believe the poll is even this close
Regardless how you feel about Hart, Dye is certainly not the answer. He’s 36 yo and is coming off one of his worst seasons offensively. Granted, lately he seems to be alternating good seasons and bad seasons, so he should be due a good season this year.
On the other hand, Hart will be 28 yo this season and while he won’t ever hit for power like Dye, he is a base stealing threat and is a better defender (not saying much).
Look at it this way, Hart still has time to turn his hitting around, while with Dye… what you see is what you get.
Offensively, Dye can still bring it
I’m surprised he hasn’t landed as a DH somewhere. Yes, his numbers slipped under .800 OPS, and given his age, it’s legitimate to ask if his days of OPSing more than .800 are over.
Hart, though, is now two seasons removed from his “good” year in 2007, and last year was worse than the year before. Last year, there were 24 rightfielders in baseball with 425 plate appearances. Of these, Hart was 19th in OPS, and next to last in hits. Obviously he’s not at Bill Hall levels of ineptitude, but it’s hard to ignore the similar trends.
Plus he’s annoying. I wish we had Nelson Cruz back.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Oh I hate Corey Hart
but I hate Dye’s defense. I also hate Johnny Damon’s arm. And Jim Edmonds is 40.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 9, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
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