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Monday's Frosty Mug

Some things to read while looking for Kid Nichols' skeleton. (h/t Baseball Musings)

Sometime in the next few hours, Chris Narveson will get another opportunity to make his case for a spot on the Opening Day roster, pitching in a B game this morning. In an effort to keep all the pitchers in camp stretched out and on schedule, the team also announced that Manny Parra will pitch in a minor league game on Wednesday, the team's only Cactus League off day.

Randy Wolf is crediting in-game adjustments for a somewhat successful outing yesterday. Wolf gave up two runs in the first inning, then settled in to finish his five inning outing strong. Wolf says he used to have awful springs but made an adjustment to his delivery in 2008 that made it easier for him to come to camp strong and get into a rhythm.

Yesterday's tie was part of a division-wide epidemic: The Cubs and Reds also tied in their game. With the Astros, Cardinals and Pirates rained out, there were only three games involving NL Central teams yesterday, and two ended in ties.

I probably shouldn't even mention this, and I'll definitely include a "knock on wood" as I do, but this spring's Brewer camp has been pretty healthy on the whole. With that said, if you needed a recap of camp injury news, Mr. Sparkle of Quevedo at the Buffet has a look at who's "busted."

Surprisingly not busted this spring: Jim Edmonds. Despite closing in on 40 years of age and not having played in the majors in 2009, Edmonds is a likely candidate to make the team out of camp. Anthony Witrado profiled Edmonds over the weekend and quoted him as saying he might not accept a major league job if offered one, but Adam McCalvy refuted that in his latest inbox. I was ready to write it off as a miscommunication and "Witrado being Witrado" until I saw this MLB FanHouse story, which includes these quotes:

His heart doesn't seem completely in it to begin with.

"Some days," he said last week, "driving in, I think [WTF]."

Asked by FanHouse if he was OK with being the fourth outfielder and playing a couple of times a week, Edmonds said, "I don't know if that's going to be enough."

As spring training closes, he said, he plans to meet with general manager Doug Melvin -- who gave Edmonds, 39, a non-roster invite sight unseen -- to discuss his situation.

"It depends on the role," he said. "If the role kind of diminishes, then I feel like I can just walk away. If it stays true to what they said and I get a chance to play a lot, then I'm all for it. We'll see how it goes."

Edmonds is one of a handful of players the Brewers might have to make decisions on this week: Edmonds, Matt Treanor and Scott Schoeneweis all have "out" clauses in their contracts that allow them to ask to be released if they're not on the major league roster by Thursday. Of the three, Edmonds is the only one that's anywhere near a lock to make the team. Treanor and Schoeneweis are both likely candidates to opt out: There won't be much playing time to be had for Treanor in the minors, with Angel Salome and Jonathan Lucroy already struggling to find time. Schoeneweis, meanwhile, told Adam McCalvy he's not interested in a return to AAA. Don't be surprised, though, if neither player exercises the clause immediately - neither will likely know by Thursday if they've made the team.

George Kottaras appears to be the frontrunner for the backup catcher job based on a solid spring, but don't count Treanor out yet. Ken Macha and Rick Peterson met with all four remaining catchers yesterday to get their thoughts on pitchers, and afterwards he told Tom Haudricourt Treanor has "done a fine job receiving the ball. He's very receptive to all instruction, solid on the defensive side." If Kottaras is being viewed as the better offensive player but Treanor is seen as better defensively, as Tom H. suggests, then Treanor may still have the advantage. He also had a throwing error in yesterday's game, though. Haudricourt recapped the situation in yesterday's Final Thoughts.

Speaking of catchers, Adam McCalvy has a profile of Gregg Zaun and a look at his approach at the plate.

Also healthy for the first time this spring: Ryan Braun. Braun hit his third Cactus League home run yesterday, but told Tom Haudricourt that feeling strong and healthy is his top priority this spring.

Elsewhere in camp minutiae:

  • If you listened to this weekend's games (or checked the box scores), you might have noticed that Yovani Gallardo led the Brewers to a 1-0 victory Saturday with five shutout innings and a solo home run. Tom Haudricourt understated the obvious by calling Gallardo "a special kid."
  • LaTroy Hawkins threw a bullpen session over the weekend and all went well. He's back on track for Opening Day.
  • Joe Koshansky was added to Brewer camp over the weekend as another warm body who can play first base (FanShot).
  • BrewCrewBabe has a photo of the fire behind the outfield wall in Maryvale yesterday.
  • Hopefully Jeremy Jeffress wasn't responsible for it. Gord Ash told Tom Haudricourt that Jeffress seems "dedicated and determined" this spring. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Jeffress could be contributing to the major league team for the Brewers by the end of the season. It's also possible he could be banned from baseball for life by then.

If you weren't around this weekend, you might have missed FtJ's Weekend Mug, where he wandered out onto an island all by himself by making the case that the Brewers should hold onto Jeff Suppan this season. I disagree with his point but see the logic in his argument. Elsewhere on Suppan:

If you'd like more passionate arguments that Jeff Suppan should be released, please visit the comment section of literally every post that's mentioned him in the last two months.

With a partial tear in the lat muscle behind his shoulder, all Mat Gamel can do is work on his rehab and wait for a chance to prove this post wrong: The Brewers Bar wonders if Gamel is losing his luster as a top prospect.

Jody Gerut was the latest Brewer covered in Baseball Musings' Players A to Z series. David Pinto thinks Gerut's high line drive rate means his luck might even out in 2010.

In the minors: Minor league camp is officially open and games are underway. Most of the game are "unofficial" and few (if any) statistics and official box scores are kept, but thankfully Chris Mehring of Rattler Radio is in Arizona keeping us informed via his blog and Twitter.

On projections/predictions and other stuff I didn't know what to do with:

Around baseball:

Dodgers: Released Eric Gagne.
Indians: Kerry Wood has a strained muscle in his back and could miss two months.
Marlins: Offered Rule 5 pick Jorge Jimenez back to the Red Sox.
Mets: Released Josh Fogg.
Red Sox: Signed Alan Embree to a minor league deal.
Tigers: Signed pitcher Casey Fien to a minor league deal.
Twins: Signed Joe Mauer to an eight year, $184 million deal.

 

Reaction to the Mauer deal:

  • Bob Nightengale notes that the Twins had never guaranteed more than $80 million to any player in franchise history, before guaranteeing over $100 million more to Mauer. He also notes that the Twins' payroll will likely exceed $100 million next season.
  • Dave Cameron estimates that Mauer would have to be worth six wins per season over the life of the deal to make it a good value for the Twins, and says that "seems about right."
  • Ryan Topp of Bernie's Crew has a look at what this deal might mean for the Brewers' attempts to sign Prince Fielder to a long term deal. He comes to the conclusion that the two situations aren't all that similar.

I'd like to take a moment to offer best wishes to former Brewer Lenny Harris, who is in stable condition after undergoing emergency quadruple bypass surgery on Saturday. Harris was a Brewer in 2002, and is now working as a hitting instructor for the Dodgers.

We beat up on Tony La Russa and the Cardinals a lot around here, at times justifiably so. I will give La Russa credit where it's due for this specific act, though: He felt his players didn't know enough about the history and legacy of Stan Musial, so he printed off a Joe Posnanski post about the Cardinal legend and left a copy in each player's locker. 

Last week I mentioned that Dontrelle Willis might win a rotation spot with the Tigers after two long and disappointing seasons. It turns out speculation might have been a bit premature: Lynn Henning of The Detroit News thinks the Tigers will release Willis this spring. (h/t BBTF)

I've mentioned a couple of articles recently that help illuminate the concept of "options," why they're important and how they work. Baseball America has another one, looking at eligibility for fourth options and the Rule 5 Draft.

The Home Run Derby is already the most-viewed segment of MLB All Star week, so it clearly needed another gimmick. This year's Derby will be televised in 3D. Chris Berman's home run calls in three dimensions might ruin us all.

I'm pretty sure I've previously mentioned the plight of UW-La Crosse baseball, a program which was nearly discontinued after last season. The Bucky Channel has a look at the efforts to save the program: They've successfully funded the 2010 season, but still need your help to secure its long term future. UWL alums include former Brewers Jerry Augustine and Vinny Rottino.

I'm not sure why, but I found this story about the Gaslamp Ballers finding a mentor funny and fascinating.

If you haven't done it yet, I'd strongly encourage you to take this SB Nation Survey to help the company learn a little more about you and tailor the future of this and hundreds of others to fit your needs and preferences. As an added bonus, if BCB has the highest community participation, we'll win $500 for a charity of our choice. 

Happy birthday to:

Also, happy birthday today to Brew Crew Ball, which turns 5. We've come a long way in five years: Thanks to Jeff Sackmann for getting the ball rolling, and to all of you for helping make BCB the best place on the internet for intelligent Brewer conversation.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you wanted to know the Japanese word for "injury."

Drink up.

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Happy 5th Birthday

But shouldn’t you have said the best place for, really clean fun and boring family friendly Brewers talk ;) Gosh darn this used to be a wild place but now look at it. I got it BCB is like Las Vegas it used to be all unseemly and dirty and now it is like Disneyland lol

kumbaya my lord kumbaya :)

by WSB Chris on Mar 22, 2010 8:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Rec'd.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 22, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

unlike the brilliant stuff you add here lol

Little full of yourself aren’t you Mykenk, But that is ok because golly I wouldn’t want to offend anyone. Funny I did not mention Cammy once did I?

Kumbaya My Lord Kumbaya your Disneyland? I have actually been a member here longer than you Mykenk ;P

kumbaya my lord kumbaya :)

by WSB Chris on Mar 22, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

WSB-Constantly-Mocking-BCB-Chris is getting to be kind of a tired act. I was a fan of the old WSB. When’s he coming back?

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not at all full of myself...

I’m just saying there are plenty of other outlets in which you can present yourself in the tone you seem to want to present yourself.

And I’m not entirely sure you have been a member here longer than I have… but that’s not all that relevant, is it?

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Mar 22, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

March 2008 vs Nov 2008

read it and weep Mykenk I will decided what is relevant newbie Hell Mykenk you were not even around here for the 2008 season.

Tcyoung relax I was just trying to bust, our BCB overlords stones a little, because I have no use for the pre season. Once real baseball starts I should be fine. That is if Mykenk will stop persecuting me. ;) and remember better to have an old act than no act at all ;)

kumbaya my lord kumbaya :)

by WSB Chris on Mar 22, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have the act of

the lecherous guy than the mad-at-the-world guy that thinks good players suck and the mods are satan spawn.

hey kirbir: whatcha wearing?

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 22, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not mad at the world.

Just his royal highness Mykenk ;) he is persecuting me. Help Help come see the violence inherent in the system Help Help I am being repressed ;)

He must be a king he hasn’t got shat all over him ;)

kumbaya my lord kumbaya :)

by WSB Chris on Mar 23, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh and I am not your buddy

we commoners know better than to try and mix with our betters :)

kumbaya my lord kumbaya :)

by WSB Chris on Mar 23, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

You must live a lonely life

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 23, 2010 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone can read your whining

Amazing times, these.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 23, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Narveson strikes out 13 in four innings

Macha calls the outing promising, Narveson sent to AAA

by nullacct on Mar 22, 2010 8:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Macha says: “I couldn’t come up with a nickname for him, so he had to go”

by BrewCrewBrian on Mar 22, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nedly would probably have called him Narvy before learning what his name actually was

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 22, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know I didn’t read a lot of Brewers news this weekend, but I would have thought I would have noticed that they re-hired Yost-y

by BrewCrewBrian on Mar 22, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure...

… that the differences between Mauer and Fielder will make all that much difference to Boras. My hope is that Fielder would take less than $23 million per year and I’m pretty sure he’ll take less than 8 years (or he’ll secure an opt out between years 3 and 5), but I’m not so sure they won’t try to match Mauer’s numbers. The 20 million per year number has been used by many folks as a ballpark of what it would take, but we might have to bump that up to 22 million now. And Boras will also no doubt argue that Mauer took a home town discount…

I’ll bet they tell Edmonds he’ll play 4 times a week in a 3 man platoon with Hart and Gomez. I’m not sure if that’s a good idea or not, but I hope he sticks around. I know he’s not what he was and his spring numbers are inflated, but I think it might help Hart to have a 40 year old charging into walls pressing him for playing time.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 22, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The last sentence is great.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Mar 22, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our of curiosity

Are you in the camp that thinks the Brewers should extend Fielder, or in the camp that thinks they should trade him?

And if so, why?

(Kyle: any thoughts on a larger post on this issue? Id be willing to volunteer something, but probably wouldnt be ready for a few days.)

by backtocali on Mar 22, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a question on it in this week's Tracking Poll

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 22, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good luck writing that question...

Option 1: Let it ride
Option 2:Trade for random haul of prospects
Option 3: Trade for Major League ready pitching
Option 4: Trade for haul of prospect pitching…

by BrewCrewBrian on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good question.

If they can get him to take a deal for 5 years at 100-110, I’d be inclined to sign him because it keeps him hear for the duration of Braun’s deal and extends the team’s control over the best 3-4 hitter combo in the league long enough that the young arms in the system might come up and contribute while they’re still around.

If he wants an 8 year deal for 160-180, I’d reluctantly pass because that deal might preclude (financially) another contract for Braun in Milwaukee and because of concern about his weight and injuries as he gets well past the age of 30. There’s really no evidence yet that he’ll break down sooner than your average player, but the argument makes some sense to me.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 22, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Twins can afford Mauer's contract,

the Brewers can afford something comparable.

Your point about extending Braun is a good one. I too would like to see them offer a 5-year deal to Fielder. Still not sure if he’d take it, but I don’t think the Brewers should go longer than that.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Market size is a major factor there between Milwaukee and Minneapolis. Minneapolis is at least 3 times as big as Milwaukee is. They may have acted like a small market club under their formerly miser of an owner, but their are indications that the purse strings will open. They have a bigger tv deal, more corporate money in town and a brand new stadium. Not to mention that Mauer is an ACTUAL hometown guy. They couldnt afford to not give him that deal. Its not a very similar situation with Fielder and the Brewers at all, on many levels.

I personally thik that Mauer is a very special case here. I am not a big fan of any team, big market or small paying up big time long term to aging players, but Mauer is most likely to move over to 3B or 1B in the near future and his bat will most likely still play up at the level he will be paid at.

Fielder is a 1b and that is it. His weight will be an issue, and again, why put up big money for a guy who will be aging soon, when you can trade him away at peak value for pieces that will come in much need 2 years from now. The pitching in the lower levels of the Brewer system right now is not impact level. Even guys like Arnett and Heckathorn or Odirizzi have a long way to go and are very raw right now. Fielder could bring perhaps 3 impact arms and a bat. And as I have argued before, why pay one guy @ 4 or 5 WAR $20 mil per year, when you can get 4 guys who could give you 12 WAR and be at league minimum?

by backtocali on Mar 22, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

anal bastard time

backtocali: " but their are indications " there
tssc: " because it keeps him hear" here

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Markets

The Twins’ market is roughly twice the size of the Brewers… not three times. In addition, the Brewers’ revenue is higher than the Twins. What this means is that the Twins have alot of untapped revenue while the Brewers are very close to having their entire market captured.

I think that having Fielder on the team not only helps their offense, but also drives revenue… similar to Mauer with the Twins… even though Fielder is not from WI. Also, doesn’t the Mauer contract go against your last statement/question?

I agree that eventually he’ll be more suitable as a DH, which is why I think they should not go beyond a 5-year deal.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a major issue

Milwaukee Metro area is about 1.5 million people
Twin Cities Metro area is over 5 million people

And yes the statement about trading away guys at peak is contradictory, but Mauer is a special case, imo. 3 time batting champ, who plays a premium position who could possibly move to another premium position of 3B. And to top it off, if he did move to 3B and was able to be league average defensively, his value goes through the roof. Also, Mauer probably doesnt have as high of a trade value right now that Fielder does since he only has 1 year left before FA.

I am not a huge Twins fan at all, but if they hadnt gotten this deal done, they would have found a way to win. They lost the best pitcher in the game in Santana a few years ago and kept right on going. Terry Ryan set up an amazing system in MN that will pay dividends for them for years to come. The parts seem to be interchangeable.

by backtocali on Mar 22, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Must be crazy recent population growth in MN
The Twin Cities metro area’s population grew to 2.87 million in 2008, up 228,000 or 8.6 percent since 2000. This population total includes 2.81 million in households and the balance in group quarters. Population growth from 2000 to 2004 averaged 32,000 residents per year; from 2004 to 2008, growth averaged 25,000 per year. While the pace of growth has slowed, the region continues to gain.

Heck, MN as a whole isn’t much over 5 million.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 22, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

My mistake

Lived there for 10 years….

Was mixing it up with St Louis.

by backtocali on Mar 22, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

According to the Census Bureau, the Twin Cities population in 2006 was under 3.2 million. Where are you getting your number from?

Also, I’m not disagreeing that Mauer isn’t worth more than Fielder, but rather my point is that both draw fans (i.e. drive revenue).

What makes you think that Mauer can move to 3B and play it even “average”? He never played 3B in his entire professional career… to expect him to be able to start playing it effectively is a stretch. I would think that a switch to 1B or the OF would be more likely.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winning drives attendance not players

If the Brewers lose Fielder and keep winning, the fans will keep showing up. If the Brewers sign Fielder and start having losing seasons, fans will not show up.

If Fielder will sign for closer to $15M per year I am in favor of keeping him. Once that number starts to get up around $19M+ I would be more inclined to let him go.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Mar 22, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

In most cases...

although there are exceptions… Rays still have a hard time to fill up their stadium… and the Cubs haven’t had any problems filling Wrigley.

Anyway, my original point isn’t whether or not the Fielder is worth X… it’s that if the Twins can afford the contract they gave to Mauer, then the Brewers (who have higher revenue) can afford something comparable to Fielder.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

What leads you to believe the Brewers

have higher revenue? I really doubt their TV and radio contract is as crappy as ours.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Mar 23, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you write this last night, KL?

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Mar 22, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I started work on it last night.

Normally Monday Mugs take forever, because there’s 3 days worth of content to plow through. Last night I had a few hours to kill, so I did most of the reading and wrote the first draft of content on the stuff I had. That made this morning’s work go pretty quickly.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 22, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't wander onto my island...

as much as I waddled.

Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog

by Fatter than Joey on Mar 22, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I may have waddled with you

After reading and rereading both the post and comments, I think I agree with FtJ’s idea. (I have to go brush my teeth to get that gross taste out of my mouth). Should Soup be in the starting rotation? NO Will we need someone at some point to start? Yes. Would Soup be better than other options mentioned? Probably . Either way FtJ presented a well thought out argument.

by Junked on Mar 22, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem I have with that argument

Is believing that Suppan is markedly better than other options.

Even if those other options are Kameron Loe, Josh Butler and a bag of Baked Cheetos, I have a hard time believing they’d be significantly worse.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 22, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

Baked Cheetos are terrible. My dad accidentally picked up a bag once instead of the regular kind and we ended up throwing away the whole bag.

by BrewHaHeather on Mar 22, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I like Baked Cheetos and Doritos a lot as they are close in taste to the regular versions, moreso than other chips.

I think the taste of regular chips is better (or at least something I’m used to) but if you’re looking for little things to change in order to eat healthier— Baked Cheetos/Doritos aren’t a bad option.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 22, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Baked Doritos

but dislike Baked Cheetos. They seem too dense to me compared to the regular ones.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

clearly the writers of the onion don't know how to use wikipedia and google all that well

Disodium anything wouldn’t just have one Na+. Silly dorks don’t know that it’s just electrically shielded GMP, which is a dual-aromatic-ring nitrogen containing ribonucleic acid.

Dumbasses:P

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 22, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

With Suppan likely having a worse year than last year, I think other options wouldn’t be that much worse, plus they have the possibility of being better.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone else slightly annoyed at the Edmond's comments?

Seems like it may have been a waste of spring training ABs for a guy who wasn’t really committed to playing this year.

He’s also not known for having a great attitude, so what happens if sticks with the team and plays less than a couple times per week? How long does that go on before it becomes a clubhouse problem and will Macha feel pressure to get him ABs even if he struggles?

Maybe he’s just channeling his inner-Favre and everything will work out, but I was disappointed to hear those comments.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 22, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Nope, not bothered

Yeah, there’s some Favre in there, but he’s just being honest. He’s pretty sure he can still play, but he’s looking for the hook that makes him love it again. I think he’ll find it. At least, if he can’t find it in this clubhouse then he can’t find it anywhere, this is a great group of guys. In the meantime, I have no worries about his play – how he feels when the dust settles off the field is completely separate from the effort he gives on it.

by nullacct on Mar 22, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree, not bothered either

I’m sure he’s just getting used to the idea of playing a whole season after taking last one off. I think he knows what his role is, and let’s be honest, can you really see him walking away at this point when there’s every indication that he’ll make the club?

I think that was his worry, and it’s nothing to be worried about. If he’s concerned over his playing time, he probably shouldn’t be, since I think he’ll get plenty of opportunities starting against some RH pitchers should Gomez and Hart aren’t hitting the way they should.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Mar 22, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oops

Didn’t mean to hit ‘actions’ on my post.

I meant if Gomez and Hart aren’t hitting btw, not should.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Mar 22, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cant blame the guy

Im not annoyed by the comments. If his heart isnt in it you cant force it, and you definitely dont want that kind of guy around.

I dont think it has anything to do with playing time, or clubhouse chemistry. Statements like that just show that he probably doesnt really enjoy the daily grind anymore. Its hard work, you cant blame someone at his age for not wanting to put their body through that type of rigors for 6 months.

Apart from needing another body to fill that last OF spot, if he doesnt accept a role on the team, I dont see it as a major loss. He wasnt primed for any big time contribution, and its rare if any of your reserves can contribute more than 1 win per year.

by backtocali on Mar 22, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can you say it doesn't have anything to do w/playing time?

Because his two statements:

“Asked by FanHouse if he was OK with being the fourth outfielder and playing a couple of times a week, Edmonds said, ”I don’t know if that’s going to be enough."

and

“If it stays true to what they said and I get a chance to play a lot, then I’m all for it. We’ll see how it goes.”

Make it seem pretty clear that if he gets enough playing time he’ll play. If he doesn’t get enough playing time, he will walk away.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 22, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its just an impression

Certain things in the interview make it seem like even if the playing time were there, he may not be into it.

Regardless, if he starts or gets significant playing time, I dont feel like its going to be a major factor for the team. In fact, if he were to get a big amount of PT that doesnt bode well for the teams chances. A 39 year old platoon guy whose heart isnt in it isnt good for morale or for the W-L column. The team would be much better off with a younger guy like Inglett to take that 5th OF spot.

by backtocali on Mar 22, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking that both Inglett and Edmonds were going to make the team

If Edmonds decides not to play for the Brewers, who do you think is likely to take his spot on the roster? Stern, Oeltjen or someone else?

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would give them 6 OF then

Who needs that?

Braun, Gomez, Hart, Gerut, Inglett…no need for a 6th.

by backtocali on Mar 22, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking...

Edmonds also can play 1B, and Inglett can play IF.

But you’re right… if they don’t sign Edmonds, they probably wouldn’t sign someone who could only play OF.

Hmmm… could be a blessing in disguise… open up a roster spot for Narveson.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Narveson

Why would we give Narveson the spot we’d be giving a backup IF/OF?

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Mar 22, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they don't really need a backup IF/OF

with Counsell, Inglett and Gerut on the bench.

Plus, that would allow them to keep Narveson on the roster, as well as Bush and Suppan.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see...

OF
Braun, Gomez, Hart, Gerut and Inglett… that’s five.

3B
McGehee and Counsell

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

13 pitchers seems a bit much

It’s tough to start when you haven’t pitched in two weeks.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 22, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's only 1 pitcher more than they had on Opening Day 2009.

And I would think Narveson would get plenty of work (much like the rest of the bullpen) with Suppan in the rotation.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if they don’t use a 5th starter the first few weeks of the season, I’m willing to bet that they’ll need to use a LR at least a few times.

Suppan not pitching for the first few weeks of the season doesn’t mean that the team won’t need to use a LR.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

There would be two long relievers

Suppan & Narveson. Unless one of them is kind enough to get injured and go on minor league rehab for a couple weeks, they’d need to split those few long relief innings.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 22, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking Suppan would be the 5th starter

Anyway, Villanueva could very well be the odd man out since he has options left, which would mean that both Bush and Narveson could be put into the bullpen as both LRs and emergency starters.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

But if they don't need a fifth starter for two weeks

They will have two long relievers for that time. Suppan’s going to have to throw sometime in that stretch.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 23, 2010 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

so then they'll make it a 5 man rotation

even though they don’t need to. Either that or one of the other starters won’t be stretched out for a 100PC and soup will come in when they hit 80.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 23, 2010 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you're referring to Narveson...

they don’t need another player to play OF or 2B.

Gerut and Inglett can both play OF, and Inglett can play 2B. Plus, they also have Counsell to play 2B if needed.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gamel?

Why do they need a backup for a Triple-A player?

Fielder – In a pinch, Counsell or even McGehee could play 1B.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha...

I see the depth chart as follows:

1B – Fielder/McGehee
2B – Weeks/Counsell/Inglett
SS – Escobar/Counsell
3B – McGehee/Counsell

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's WAY too much work for Counsell.

Especially with Escobar and McGehee being the starters.

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Mar 22, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

Do you expect Escobar and McGehee not to be able to start 5-6 times a week?

Plus, I don’t think it’l be any more work than what he had last season.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're not used to playing this long of a season, sure they'll be fine in spring.

Plus, I don’t WANT counsell to have as much work as he had last season. Essentially, you have Counsell laying 4-5 times a week, assuming the other guys get one day a week off each… he can’t do that.

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Mar 22, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also,

You’d probably want to have a pinch hitter on the bench, in case someone needs a full day off, and not just a start off (minor injury, illness, etc).

13 position players, 12 pitchers is probably optimal.

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Mar 22, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Optimal

I don’t disagree with your optimal breakdown, but with our rotation (i.e. Suppan), I think it may be necessary to carry an additional pitcher.

As far as a pinch runner… how often did the Brewers use a PH last year?

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reading fail

Ignore all my statements about PR… I thought you mentioned it, but you only mentioned using a PH.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even with 1 day off a week

Counsell would only be playing 3 times (I don’t see Fielder getting a day off every week). Also, having Inglett gives them a bit more depth at 2B.

I agree that Counsell should not be nearly as much as he did last season… particularly starting. Hopefully he won’t need to if Weeks can stay healthy/productive.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's fine, assuming you never need a pinch hitter other than Inglett.

and can find innings for 13 pitchers. Maybe restrict all the starters to 5 innings for the first month or so?

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even without Suppan pitching

I’m willing to bet that they’ll have enough work to go around the bullpen during the first month of the season.

As far as PH, Gerut or whomever is not starting could be used.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

But every now and then

a guy needs a true day off, not a day off of starting. And I’d guess that teams use on average >1 PH/game.

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Mar 22, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Like I said… it’s not optimal.

A more likely scenario (which I just read) would be to send down Villy to make room for Narveson.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah...i don't know if he's heart is in it

in any event, I don’t think more play time would help him cope with the lack of seeing family, etc. He’s already bloody rich and able to provide plenty for his family…it’s not like daddy needs to work to put meat on the table.

If he really wants to be home, then he should just go home. If he wants to play, he had better not be griping about riding the pine instead.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 22, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

the hook is MP

i think once he experiences the LOVE at Miller Park, he wont turn back.

by rootsmaneuver on Mar 22, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am hoping to see Edmonds in a sausage race this year.

I’m guessing he takes it WAY WAY to seriously….

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by Fatter than Joey on Mar 22, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm annoyed

When the idea of coming back first surfaced Jimmy just wanted to contribute in any way he could to the Cards. Then it became more clear to the Cardinals that Edmonds wanted significant at bats so they kicked the idea to the curb. The Brewers are clearly willing to go ahead and give him those at bats and now he’s thinking being the fourth option doesn’t sound so good. I hope he plays because I think he still has something left, but I don’t think the problem is missing his fam. He’s just not real high on being a bench player.

by travwood81 on Mar 22, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he wanted to make a significant contribution.

That’s part of the reason TLR didn’t take him back.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Mar 22, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's my worry
“If it stays true to what they said and I get a chance to play a lot, then I’m all for it”

I don’t think he’s having second thoughts about coming back — he’s using the threat of walking away to try and get a promise for more playing time.

You can probably blame DM for any problems resulting from this, all indications are that he promised Edmonds more playing time than the his other options (like STL) and Edmonds is just calling him out on it.

I’d rather Edmonds was comfortable playing whatever role best fit the team but it doesn’t seem that way, and to his credit I don’t think he ever gave the impression that he would be comfortable in any role.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 22, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not annoyed.

I wish it wasn’t happening, but I can understand why he’s torn. He did back-pedal furiously in the McCalvy article (based on his quotes), so it may not be much more than an expression of the fact that being away from his family is a lot harder once he got a taste of retirement last year. Seems like a pretty human reaction to me.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 22, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

If the PT isn’t there — I can understand him wanting to retire…

It would be like if Suppan wanted to retire rather than getting relegated to BP mop-up duty. (fingers crossed)

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by Fatter than Joey on Mar 22, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this it for Gagne?

Or does he head back to the Candian League? I didn’t think he had a real chance, even with the Dodgers.

Also La Crosse is missing the e. Gotta look out for the hometown Coulee Region.

by thefreewheelin76 on Mar 22, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

never was given a real chance?

dude got shelled. unless you were saying that his lack of ability precluded him from a shot.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 22, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

His outer suckitude precluded the expression of his inner awesomeness.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 22, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

The latter, yes

I don’t know if the Dodgers thought he could contribute, or they wanted to give him one last shot for old times’ sake.

by thefreewheelin76 on Mar 22, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure it was the "old times sake"

Anything to give them a potential ticket-revenue driver, given their financial uncertainties. If he had made the team, they would have hyped it non-stop. I’m not much for conspiracy theories, but nothing Frank McCourt does surprises me.

by Brew Angel on Mar 22, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure Gagne would be welcomed back into a Can-Am League clubhouse

After he called it a beer league this spring.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 22, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds pretty accurate, actually.

I’ve needed copious amounts of beer in order to do anything in Canada.

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Mar 22, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to wish BCB a happy five years

And a great thank you to kyle and all major contributors for giving me something interesting to read during my lame morning classes.

"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin

by sowingwildoats on Mar 22, 2010 10:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Here, Here!

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Mar 22, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday, BCB

Jeff, you really started something good!

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Mar 22, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

yep

Kudos for Jeff for getting it off the ground and doing such an excellent job with it.
good job to the current leaders for putting in the time to make it what it is.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 22, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kid Nichols

Wisconsin’s own! Between him, Burleigh Grimes and Addie Joss, Wisconsin is clearly one of the powerhouses for legendary old-timey pitchers.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Mar 22, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

To the Rangers of course

Brewers get Ray Olmedo – 28 year old utlitiy IF – career .569 OPS over 5 seasons (442 PA) in the majors, .659 OPS in 11 minor league seasons.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 22, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's gritty

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Mar 22, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing Olmedo plays somewhere in the system this year

Traenor wasn’t going to play anywhere so I guess we got something we could use.

I just wish they would announce what level Olmedo is going to be assigned to so I can order my personalized jersey before the season starts.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 22, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now?

You have an impressive dual layer of delusion going on there: First, that Treanor presence made it remotely like you would hang out with Misty May; Second, that his departure reduces it to “unlikely” instead of “impossible unless I can convince the make-a-wish foundation I’m a 10 year old with a terminal illness.”

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 22, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I came up with my nerdiest fantasy baseball team name yet for my important league

Light Sabermetricians. Yeah, I took it to Star Wars.

Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Mar 22, 2010 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Kendall was plenty good in his day

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Mar 22, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

I think the point of the article… at least initially… is that Mauer is 27 years old right now, which means that by the time his contract is over, he’ll be well beyond the age when Kendall digressed.

by sjlee on Mar 22, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the article that signing a catcher to that big of a contract through his age-35 season (the article says age-36, which I think is incorrect) is probably a bad idea, although the difference between Mauer and a guy like Kendall/Pudge Rodriguez is that the Twins will probably move him to 1B/DH at some point down the line.

Catching 150 games per season well into his 30s had to have played a pretty big role in Kendall falling off a cliff like he did.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Mar 22, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

According to the article

They seem to attribute his big decline to his thumb injury, but you’re right… catching that many games will eventually take it toll… unless your name is Jorge Posada or Carlton Fisk.

by sjlee on Mar 23, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mauer slugged .587 last year.

By comparison, in roughly 82 months of baseball action, Jason Kendall’s had two months where he slugged above .587. (I’ll save you the trouble of looking: May 2000 and May 1999.)

by Rubie Q on Mar 22, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

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