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Pitching in on the Rotation Battle

I am not really going to break any new ground here, but it's an issue and it's about the only issue I have any legitimate reason to write about, and it's time to write about baseball. Everybody's got an opinion on who should get the final two spots in the rotation. Gallardo, Wolf, and Davis are a given, and then there's this mess of Bush, Suppan, Parra, and Narveson. Working backwards through the bullpen, Hoffman, Hawkins, Coffey, Stetter, and Vargas look to be locks for spots. So, to simplify, it comes down to Bush, Suppan, Parra, Narveson, and Villanueva for two starting spots and two relief spots. 

Villanueva is the only player who can realistically be sent down to AAA, and I tend to think that the likely scenario is that he goes down to start the season, with Narveson and Bush working out of the bullpen for the first part of the season. It's possible that the decision will be made for the Brewers if Hawkins needs to start the season on the DL or if some other complication develops. My understanding is that Villanueva would need to be put on optional waivers similar to what Dave Bush went through when he was sent down to AAA for a start in 2008. It's a near certainty that he could get through.

Now that I've established what I think will happen, I'll lay out what I think would be best to happen. The first move should be to give Parra the fourth slot in the rotation. I've made plenty of arguments and posts about why I have confidence in Parra, and I'll try presenting it this way (and even disregarding my extreme dislike for ERA): in his rookie year of 2008, Manny Parra threw 166 innings with a 4.39 ERA and 4.16 FIP, a 8: 4 K/9 to BB/9 ratio, and 51.6% ground balls. Last year, the ratios fell to 7.5: 5 and 48%. Given that information, one would probably conclude that his ERA would have seen his ERA rise to about 5. In fact his FIP did jump to 4.88, and the obscene ERA of 6.36.

Parra seems to project similarly to Bush and ahead of Suppan and Narveson. He also easily has the highest upside. There's a risk of course. But there's a risk with any of these pitchers. 

Bush is next on my hypothetical depth chart. I really think his arm injury was the biggest factor in his struggles last year, and though he's declined, I'd think he'll be about the 4.8-5 pitcher in terms of skill that he has been the past two seasons. I'd also feel alright about him missing a turn or two through the rotation due to off days, something he's done before. 

Suppan slides into the long-man spot in the bullpen. Call it the Elmer Dessens role. He pitches only in the lowest-leverage situations, and soaks up as many innings as he possibly can in blowouts. The decision the Brewers need to make is if hiding Suppan in the pen as a fill-in for an injured starter is worth keeping Villanueva out of the majors to start the year. I see both sides of the argument, and I think it's more realistic to keep him on board just due to the enormous salary obligation. It's not difficult to find a replacement for Suppan's production-- actually, Villanueva is a pretty decent bet to provide it even as a starter. So I'll stick Suppan in this spot. He probably won't get much work at all, especially with Bush needing a few innings before his first start.

Narveson goes into a bit of a middle relief role. Being lefthanded already gives him an ability to get some higher-leverage innings as a lefty specialist behind Stetter, with the ability to be trusted in most situations because he can get right-handers out. In my plan, Narveson could be moved into the rotation in the event of an injury or kept in his bullpen role with Suppan getting the bump. I think this role gives Narveson the best chance to succeed. He pitched very well in his limited opportunity in the majors last year and was effective at AAA. But remember, this is a guy who put up a 5.21 FIP in a full season at AAA in 2008. I'd like to see him worked into the majors in a relief role before throwing him into a starting role. If he starts the season in the rotation and throws a few poor starts, he would probably be DFA'd and lost. 

Villanueva gets to continue his years and years of being unappreciated. He's a quality middle reliever and will probably have to wait for someone to get injured to be brought back to the majors. I think his days of starting are finished, but hopefully he keeps up what he does so well-- striking batters out, limiting the walks-- and comes in strong when he's first needed. I'm guessing it will be in April.

Rotation depth is critical, and the Brewers have created a nice problem here. All seven of these starters will probably see time as a starter. It's likely that they'll keep all of the depth, and I can't complain about that decision if that's the direction they go.

Side Notes: First, the projection wrap-up post will go up next week. Second, I have a bit of a Twitter situation going on and you're invited to follow along, and if you're a BCB commenter or writer, I'll probably follow you right back. Be warned that I'm going to be a slow starter (there's two right now, one's a joke about Soulja Boy and one's a Drake line). However, I'm really thinking that the BCB Twitter network is going to be a big deal once we get into the season. I'm planning a lot of quick observations that I'm not going to write posts about. Live-time during games. It's a big deal.

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by molitorfan on Mar 24, 2010 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Very good point.

Probably not going to follow him, though.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Mar 24, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

My problem with sending Villanueva to AAA

Isn’t that just the most blatant “We don’t care about winning and fielding the best team, we just want to save face and not eat Suppan’s salary” move possible?

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by SRB on Mar 24, 2010 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

It depends on how you think of Suppan compared to replacement options

There’s option one: Suppan is just a little better than replacement level, and holding on to him is worth stashing Villanueva in the minors until the first guy gets hurt.
Or option two: Suppan is replacement level, just cut him already and keep Villanueva on the team the whole time.
I can see both points. It comes down to whether you view Suppan as about a 5.25 talent or 5.75 talent. I view him about 5.50 so I could see it going either way.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Mar 24, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the innings Villanueva would actually pitch has to be a consideration. He is probably way down the depth list of relievers so even if he would make the team the only innings he would get are the “our starter crapped his pants get us further in the game so we don’t blow out the pen” innings. The difference between Suppan and Villanueva pitching those innings is much less than if we were talking about setup or closer innings.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Mar 24, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a matter of usage

If the two get the same role, then it wouldn’t make a difference. They could bring up Tim Dillard if they just need an arm to throw meaningless innings. Maybe it makes the most sense to have a single mop-up guy in the bullpen, but my first inclination is to have another pitcher on staff that you can throw out there in a high leverage situation, even if his primary duty is eating bullpen innings.

I’d much rather see Villaneuva coming out in the top of the 10th inning than Suppan. Even if that situation only comes up once a season, that difference could be worth at least 0.3 wins on the season. Every little bit adds up.

by ecocd on Mar 24, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

No innings are meaningless

For example, Chris Smith – the reliever (>20 IP) with the lowest average leverage index on the team last season – cost the team 0.63 WAR by pitching poorly in a low-leverage role (and WAR already takes into account leverage index). Keeping your team in the game is important due to the inevitable fact that some of those blowouts every season will turn into comeback wins or ties.

Does anyone doubt that Suppan would be extraordinarily bad out of the bullpen? If we can’t store him in AAA and he’s not in the rotation, there is no intelligent place to put him on the roster.

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by SRB on Mar 24, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm inclined to look at upside

Let’s say we think there’s a 10% chance Suppan will have an ERA at 5.25 or below over the course of the season with significant innings (in whatever role). And maybe a 15% chance it’s above 6.00.

There might be more variance in the projections for someone like Narveson who has never proven himself at the big league level over and extended period, jumping up to say 25% chance his ERA balloons over 6.00. What if there’s also a 25% chance his ERA would be below 5.00? There’s a lot more upside even if there’s a little more risk of him being even worse than Suppan.

I guess it depends where you put your probabilities and your risk level. Most people wouldn’t be able to put specific numbers on these probabilities, but it’s what people are implicitly doing.

Anyone know of a site that has a distribution of pitcher projections to give an idea of the variance in a pitcher’s performance? It wouldn’t be difficult to take that and put it up against a distribution of average wins by an NL team with an X.XX ERA starter over the past 10 years.

by ecocd on Mar 25, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Extraordinarily bad

Count me in as one of those who thinks that about Suppan being in the pen. If you want him ready to pitch, they’d have to start getting him warmed up at least an inning early.

If they end up keeping both Bush and Narveson on the roster, I’d be “OK” with Suppan in the rotation with the caveat that he’s on a short leash.

by sjlee on Mar 25, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what happens

when (ahem, if) Riske comes off the DL.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 24, 2010 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Feel-good articles about how the team is getting a good reliever for the stretch run without having to make a trade

Someone else will probably be on the DL by then, too, easing the roster crunch.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 24, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

speaking of which

how’s hawkins? i hope hoffman will be able to string it together too.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 25, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hawkins

He did some throwing in the bullpen on Saturday and everything went well. Sounds like he’ll be 100% by Opening Day.

by sjlee on Mar 25, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Couldn’t they also send him down to Nashville to get some “rehab” innings in?

by sjlee on Mar 25, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Riske will be rehabbing with Brevard County

Is there any limit to how long a rehab assignment can be? Daisuke Matsuzaka was in extended spring training for months, but I’m not sure if there’s anything that limits that.

by morineko on Mar 25, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rehab assignments can be 20 days for position players, 30 days for pitchers

Extending spring training is probably not considered a true rehab assignment since it’s at a team’s own complex and there aren’t real games.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 25, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dump Suppan

Please get rid of this guy. He’s a burden and a distraction. He doesn’t provide any leadership or guidance and he gives up so many HR’s it’s unbelievable. Bad investment from the start. Let him go and lets move on.

by Milw-Outlaw on Mar 25, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

FWIW

Having watched Braden Looper pitch last year, any number of HR is believable.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Mar 25, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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