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Friday's Frosty Mug

Some things to read while rooting out a traitor.

Let's start today with a look ahead, before we look back. In a few hours, the Brewers will play their second Cactus League road game with a familiar face across the diamond. Ben Sheets will take the mound against the Brewers in his first game action since Septmeber of 2008. Sheets told Jane Lee of MLB.com that "it will be weird" to face his former teammates, but he's still the same player. Meanwhile, A's manager Bob Geren said that Sheets facing the Brewers in his debut was simply a scheduling coincedence, not a planned event.

Adam McCalvy says we should expect to see Ryan Braun and Jim Edmonds in the lineup today, after both had the day off yesterday. He also reports that we might not see Alcides Escobar, who underwent root canals yesterday, Josh Butler, who is being held back with a sore arm or Mat Gamel, who was held out of yesterday's game with a sore shoulder.

Meanwhile, the internet is all abuzz with chatter about what might have been the most anticlimactic hit by pitch in Cactus League history. If you haven't seen it yet, ESPN has video of Barry Zito hitting Prince Fielder in the first inning yesterday. There was no reaction from Fielder and the rest of the game was played without incident, so you'd think we could move on, right? Wrong. Here's a sampling of response to Zito's 80 mph "message:"

It may come as a surprise to national pundits and other over-reactors, but there were actually nine innings of baseball played yesterday in addition to the much-talked-about matchup between Zito and Fielder. Here are some other notes from the game:

It was actually a big day for Fielder for another reason: Doug Melvin and Gord Ash left yesterday's game to meet with Scott Boras to start discussion regarding a possible contract extension. Fielder said no official offer was made, but Brew Town Beat thinks signing Fielder to a long term deal might remove the "small market" label from the team.

Yovani Gallardo, meanwhile, will take home a little less cash in 2010. Tom Haudricourt reports that Gallardo's contract was renewed at $450,000, a $36,000 raise from last year. Gord Ash told Adam McCalvy there was "no negativity" in the negotiations, but the two sides weren't able to come together on a deal.

Cory Provus is in Arizona with the team this spring, and has a recap of some of the things he's seen and done so far.

The BCB Tracking Poll earlier this week showed a lot of fan confidence in Doug Melvin, who had an 80% approval rating. Tim Marchman of Sports Illustrated shares that confidence, and ranked Melvin sixth in his general manager rankings, one spot behind Jack Zduriencik (h/t Brewerfan.net).  Melvin's #6 ranking was easily the best in the NL Central: Walt Jocketty of the Reds was second, at #14.

In the minors:

  • Project Prospect has the list of 58 players who appeared in their top 100 prospect list, as well as the Top 100's for Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, AOL and ESPN. Alcides Escobar (consensus #17) and Brett Lawrie (consensus #51) give the Brewers two players on the list.
  • The Wisconsin Timber Rattlers unveiled their 2010 promotional schedule yesterday. Get your tickets early if you've ever wanted to meet Spiderman, Iron Man, or a cow.

We're just about done with position players in the Brew Crew Ball Community Projections, but stop by if you haven't yet and offer your opinion on the defensive projections.

Elsewhere in projections: David Appelman of FanGraphs has a look at the FanGraphs Community Projections, which have the Brewers at 78 wins, tied for second in the Central.

Around baseball:

Blue Jays: Claimed pitcher Casey Fien off waivers from the Red Sox.
Mets: Signed Kiko Calero to a minor league deal.

As spring training games get underway, Braden Looper continues to search for a new home. Ken Gurnick of MLB.com thinks the Dodgers are still interested, but are only willing to offer a non-guaranteed minor league deal.

Do major league hitters change their approach on the first pitch against elite pitchers? We can say with relative confidence that one does: Dave Allen of FanGraphs has a look at Chipper Jones' tendency to swing at first pitches and the variation in that habit between elite and other pitchers.

The Astros, meanwhile, are swinging at everything this spring. They connected for 21 hits (including five home runs) en route to a 15-5 victory over the Nationals yesterday, but didn't draw a single walk in the game. The major league record for most runs in a regular season game without a walk is 16, set by the 1998 Rangers.

As you're watching spring training games, you may notice that the players' hats look a little unusual. New Era has designed new spring training caps for all 30 teams this spring, and is actually admitting that the new designs are just a giant cash grab.

Are you hungry this morning? If so, you have something in common with these baseball players on Twitter, as collected by Walkoff Walk.

If you're still hungry tonight (and in Florida), you could head out to the Twins game, where fans will receive a free grapefruit on their way out.

On this day in 1986, the Brewers traded Ted Simmons to the Braves for catcher Rick Cerone and two minor leaguers. Cerone would play just one season as a Brewer, hitting .254/.309/.380 in 68 games. Simmons, at the twilight of his career, hit .248/.323/.367 over three seasons as a Brave.

Happy birthday today to:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to find a bigger sheet of paper.

Drink up.

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Obligatory Phil Roof prompted question

Who are the only other players to play for the Milwaukee Braves and Milwaukee Brewers?

Also, I thought that Haudricourt tweet was funny.

by TheJay on Mar 5, 2010 10:24 AM CST reply actions  

George Brunet

Played for the Braves in ’61 and the Pilots in ’69, does that count?

by nullacct on Mar 5, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Or Matty or Jesus

One of those cats.

Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog

by Fatter than Joey on Mar 5, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Felipe spent 1964 and 1965 in Milwaukee before returning to strike out twice in 3 PH AB in April 1974.

by TheJay on Mar 5, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Trevor Hoffman?

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Mar 5, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The Fielder-Zito incident

has been discussed for about 3 hours now on the xm baseball shows. Everyone thinks the crew was showboating and deserved the plunk. Of course, a cubbie fan had to call in and go rabbid on everything, even the untucking and the fact that Pujols is the ultimate showboater. It made me lol.

by Mr. McGehee on Mar 5, 2010 10:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Calero

I thought the Brewers should have tried to get him. I understand contract value discrepancies between now and when Hawkins was signed, but still. It will be interesting to see how their years play out.

I also think someone told me earlier this off-season that they thought Calero would not sign for significantly less than Hawkins. To me, he would have been the right kind of fit in the bullpen, on the cheap. I know age and injuries are a concern, however.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 5, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions  

The General Manager rankings link

is a link to a fangraphs page about Chipper Jones and his aggression on the first pitch. Sort of interesting, but I don’t think its what you meant to link to.

by dtmeyers on Mar 5, 2010 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

and now that I’ve read the rest of the mug, its the same link you have further down about Chipper Jones…

by dtmeyers on Mar 5, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Fixed

Thanks

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I just cant agree with this assessment

Melvin is what we would call in the business that I work, a “front runner”. He is the type of guy that buys stocks or mutual funds because they have a past history, chasing the high returns. This strategy may work for a litle while, but it eventually catches up with you.

The smart, cost efficient way to run a ball club is to run it as a small market team, trading away your players as they approach free agency, or extend them very early in their careers to team friendly deals. The way that Melvin (and Mark A) are running the team, it seems like they think they are a large market club. And its just not a very smart philosophy for the long term health of the franchise.

They drew 3 million 2 years in a row, and might again this year, and they are going to barely break even, if that. Why would you go out and sign Prince Fielder to an albatross type of contract simply because you think fans might get mad if you trade him away? Winning baseball games will bring in fans no matter who is on the team. Fielder is probably looking for a Teixeira type of deal. Long in years, big in money, probably at least $20mm per. In the open market he can probably get that. Lets just say its a 6 year deal he wants at $120mm.

That figures to about 27 WAR over that course of time, an average of 4.5 WAR for the next 6 years. Just like the Wolf deal, may be worth it the first 2 years, but quickly gets overpriced as each year passes. And the Brewers are then locked into a deal and cant do anything else to build a competitive team.

The fact that Melvin is even considering this is not evidence of being one of the best GM’s in the game. If he were one of the Best GMs in the game he would be shopping a deal for Fielder right now for players that can contribute long term to the team at a cheaper cost, and not worrying if they panned out, because the scouting and research team in place would be doing their jobs to make it so.

by backtocali on Mar 5, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Fielder will get traded.

DM knows it, Prince knows it, Boras knows it. The fans need to get used to the idea, but otherwise it’s going to happen. But saying to everyone that you can’t afford to keep him does nothing for your trade leverage.

by nullacct on Mar 5, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

They drew 3 million 2 years in a row, and might again this year, and they are going to barely break even, if that.

How do you know that?

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

so true

plus if they make the playoffs this year that is extra revenue to count

Q: Did you ever scout Corey Hart? What seems to be holding him back from being a good hitter for AVG?

A: The slider away. And that facial hair.

-Keith Law ESPN chat 2/11/10

by molitorfan on Mar 5, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Cant remember where exactly it was reported

But after the playoff appearance it was reported that the team would just barely turn a profit.

by backtocali on Mar 5, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

My PERSONAL feeling

Is that that’s team/owner PR/Spin. How do you think the ‘average Brewers fan’ would feel if the dude who owns the team was getting filthy off of him? I think its the same lip-service they gave about the Sabathia contract.

But, that’s just my personal opinion.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 5, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

And that's exactly my point.

We don’t know, and may never know, exactly what the books say. We know roughly what the payroll level is, but that only includes player salaries, not organizational expenses and other factors. And we’ll probably never find out exactly how much revenue they’re generating, because that’s proprietary information.

So all we have to work with is what they tell us, which likely includes a fair amount of spin, and things like Forbes estimates, which are just estimates. We don’t “know” that they’re losing money and more than we “know” they’re doing well, unless you have access to some info I don’t.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you

They could be losing $20MM or making $20MM

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 6, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, I doubt the team would spin it this way if they were losing $20 million.

If they’re losing that much and telling people they’re breaking even, that’s terrible spin. They’d want to tell people that this level of spending is unsustainable and can’t stand unless people spend more money to support it.

With that said, nothing from -$5m to +$50m would surprise me.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 6, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, my example was a bit extreme, but the gist is in your post above

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 6, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

so...if he can make 20million per year on the open market

why wouldn’t we be able to sign him for, say $19M/yr (cost of living arguments + home town discount), then trade him to another club for $20M/yr in value?

All it takes is for someone in the FO to act like Prince’s agent would on the free market.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 5, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

This fielder nonsense is getting annoyng.

I guess I can understand why the Giants players might be upset, although I don’t think most of them really care anymore, but why are the fans so distraught about this? Judging by some of the comments from the mercury news story, you’d think Fielder killed their dog.

I’m not usually one for getting guys hurt, but I certainly wouldnt mind Fielder taking one up around the shoulders, this is ridiculous and disrespectful to the game

Really? You’re not usually one for getting guys hurt, but all it takes for you to change your stance is a team having fun and celebrating after they win on their own field? Come on. Quit feigning outrage.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Mar 5, 2010 11:02 AM CST reply actions  

When they're making these "disrespect the game" comments ...

they do remember they’re SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS fans, right? You know, the club that gainfully employed one of the biggest frauds the game has ever seen?

The ironing is delicious.

by Rubie Q on Mar 5, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't wait for the first regular season meeting.

If the Brewers manage to hit a walkoff anything against the Giants this season, I hope they celebrate with a small parade.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Complete with tractors and firetrucks.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Mar 5, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's do a stadium-wide Shockwave:

Prince gets to home: ashes, ashes, we ALL fall down.

by Rubie Q on Mar 5, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I feel like this calls for Nullacct

Perhaps replace the “Make Some Noise” on the displays with “Fall Down”…

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Mar 5, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Except it's spelled "Seismic"

Whatevs.

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by Yar Nivek on Mar 5, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

You're the dude that wears the t-shirt of the band to the concert!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 5, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I had a sudden mental image

of all the players marching and twirling batons

by BrewHaHeather on Mar 5, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing

the PeeWee Herman Tequila dance around the bases

by junyer_mint on Mar 5, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

"Logic is in the eye of the logician"

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Mar 5, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Gloria Steinem

I’m not following my standard M.O.

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Mar 5, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I will update my comment from yesterday then:

YAR NIVEK, New and Improved for the 2010 season!

Now with Office Space AND Gloria Steinem quotes!

by Rubie Q on Mar 5, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

He's like our little Abed

gotta love that character in Community.

you don’t watch it? you should.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 5, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

great show

Q: Did you ever scout Corey Hart? What seems to be holding him back from being a good hitter for AVG?

A: The slider away. And that facial hair.

-Keith Law ESPN chat 2/11/10

by molitorfan on Mar 5, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

No kidding

My least favorite thing about baseball is the outrage that fans and media people have over dumb, stupid stuff like untucking shirts, watching a HR for too long or whatever they deem is “not respecting the game.”

If players wanted to get upset — whatever, good for them. Why media or fans care about dumb stuff like this is beyond me.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Every team is host to numerous fans whose thoughts should not be put out there for the world to see, but with the internet, it happens. Are the comments on JSOnline that much better than these mercury comments?

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by Yar Nivek on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

No

But commenters on this blog have never been shy about making fun of the meatball Brewer fans that occupy those comments.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 5, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

But let’s not assume the whole fan base is adequately represented by those mercury comments.

Maybe someone should just post on the mercury site that they need to “get a ife”.

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by Yar Nivek on Mar 5, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

It's a valid point.

I mean, if you look at McCovey’s Chronicles, they’re all saying it’s a non-issue. But still, I think the mercury commenters are being facetious, and they would have loved it if the tables were turned.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Mar 5, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Post updated

Today’s game is at Phoenix Muni, not Maryvale.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

I just got today's travel roster.

Some notes on it:

The Brewers must be counting on a few multi-inning outings, because there’s only seven pitchers listed: Dillard, Gallardo, Hawkins, Murray, Rogers, Stetter and Villanueva.

Escobar is on the roster, so he must be ready to go. McGehee, Gamel and Fielder aren’t on it, so we could see a lot of Steffan Wilson and Adam Heether.

Edmonds will probably start in right, because Braun and Gomez are also on the bus.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

Lineup

Link

Rickie Weeks 2B
Carlos Gomez CF
Ryan Braun LF
Jim Edmonds RF
Gregg Zaun DH
George Kottaras C
Alcides Escobar SS
Adam Heether 3B
Steffan Wilson 1B
Yovani Gallardo RHP

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Mar 5, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

Today’s traveling roster only has 24 players on it.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Angry St. Louis reporter

That’s the thing I hate about old baseball tradition stuff. If the best reason you have for doing something is that it’s always been done that way, maybe you should rethink your position. I would have thought it was awesome if another team did that against us, aside from the part about being mad that the Brewers lost.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Mar 5, 2010 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

Oh and he said this
The problem is the Brewers – with the exception of 2008, when they scrambled to get into the playoffs – have not won.

The problem is that the Yankees— with the exception of 2009, in which they scrambled to win the World Series— have not won.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Mar 5, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's bullshit.

If A-Rod and the Yankees had done the Shockwave, these people would be just as pissed. Franchise history has nothing to do with it.

by Rubie Q on Mar 5, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel that a culture of victory makes celebration LESS acceptable.

Which is more venial, the Lions celebrating a regular season win, or the Colts celebrating a regular season win?

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by Yar Nivek on Mar 5, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the most annoying part to me

How people are acting like, well, this is just “baseball justice!” No, it’s not. I don’t think it’s tradition to throw at a guy in a spring training game from a home run celebration from the previous year, that is just nonsense.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Mar 5, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually it is

MLB players seem to be fine with carrying grudges between seasons. If the Brewers didn’t face the Giants during ST, the plunking would’ve happened during the regular season.

by sjlee on Mar 5, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Since when do players hold grudges for walk-off celebrations? You hit a guy on the other team in retaliation for one of your own getting hit, fine, that at least makes sense. Hitting a guy months later for coming up with a unique celebration is just dumb. I could even understand it more if it was a team like the Cardinals and there has been a clear rivalry between the two teams over the last few years, but what do the Giants care?

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Mar 5, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Golic

He acted like Zito was the guy that threw the pitch in the 12th inning that Fielder homered.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 5, 2010 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

yep...what a nidiot

3:20 into the ESPN clip he’s pretty unequivacal that he thinks it was Fielder vs Zito back then.

Does this guy even understand the concept of a starting pitcher? Yes, I know that sometimes in long games they DO put a starter in as a reliever, but they tend to avoid that whenever possible.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 5, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Tim Marchman (AKA Smithers)...

… is a big market, bad-baseball-economics apologist, and not so clever to boot. And he needs a tan.

(Sorry. Needed to get that off my chest.)

In the same article he also congratulated Brian Cashman for throwing huge amounts of money at CC Sabathia, ignoring the fact that any vertebrate on the planet could have come up with that plan, not to mention the fact that the Yankees were genius enough to outbid their nearest competitor by a mere 60 million dollars. After finishing his article for SI, Marchman then fetched Cashman’s paper and curled up for a quick nap in his basket by the fire.

I’ll give Cashman this: I’m pretty sure he’s smarter than Tim Marchman and he knows how to write a check.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 5, 2010 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

I won't argue with most of what you said

But in regards to outbidding other teams by $60 million for Sabathia, I think you can make a case that it was necessary.

IIRC, when the Yankees and Brewers’ bids were both on the table (it wasn’t the Yankees final bid), the Brewers mentioned that they had sent something to Sabathia outlining tax differences, cost of living differences, etc that showed that the Brewers offer, which was significantly smaller on paper, was actually competitive with and perhaps a little better than that offer from the Yankees.

So, if you could make a case that $100 million + living in Milwaukee > $125 million + living in New York, then the Yankees had to pay Sabathia a “New York Premium” to make it worth it for him to jump.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

So you're saying the cost of living difference between Milwaukee and New York is 60 million over the term of the contract?

I’m not sure I buy that. If your point is that Sabathia wasn’t really inclined to go to New York at all and had to be overpaid beyond differences in taxes and cost of living in order to persuade him to go, I might buy that. Except of course no one (that I’ve seen) ever asserted that argument at the time, and its certainly not what Sabathia said after the signing.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 5, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd guess that taxes are a bigger difference than cost of living.

And I didn’t see the numbers, so I don’t know the specifics.

And even if it were true, do you really expect Sabathia, on his first day in New York, to publicly express disappointment that he couldn’t go somewhere else?

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't really know...

… what taxes are like in New York, but I am aware that taxes in Wisconsin are generally considered to be higher than average. More significant, perhaps, would be the cost of housing to which Sabathia might be accustomed. If, for instance, he wanted a 10,000 square foot home (or more) of the sort many professional athletes own, it’s certainly going to cost millions more in NY than in Milwaukee.

I certainly wouldn’t expect Sabathia to say he wished he was still a Brewer during his first day in New York, even if it were true (and I don’t think it was). I would, however, expect the truth or some semblance of it to escape over tiem. “After the signing” doesn’t necessarily have to mean his first day or his signing press conference. And there are other ways to get the point accross without saying “gosh I wish I was still in Milwaukee.”

Just so we’re clear, I don’t blame him for going. Given the choice between Milwaukee and 100 million and New York, a ring, and 160 million, I’d probably pick the latter too. My point is only that I don’t think Cashman needed to go as high as he did to get Sabathia, and that choosing to do so (given the resources available) isn’t evidence of Cashman’s ability as a GM, in my opinion. That said, it’s entirely possible they went to $160 million just to get the deal done because it wasn’t worth their time to dicker over a paltry 20-40 million.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 5, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that the Yankees unnecessarily blew everybody else out of the water just to get the deal done, but that was more through offering a seven-year contract than money wise.

Just glancing at the numbers and estimating (obviously assuming no rate changes or any other details):
Sabathia would pay 7.75% state incoming tax in Wisconsin, which would make the yearly value of his contract approximately $18.5 million for five years.

In New York he pays 1.22% more for state income tax with an additional 2.907% in city taxes going to New York City, which makes the yearly value of his contract approximately $20.1 million for seven years.

For the first five years the difference in income is just over $1.5 million/year, which could very well be offset by other costs of living in Milwaukee vs. NYC (or at least make the two offers very close). It’s the addition of the extra two years that made the Yankees’ offer such an irresistable – and probably foolishly large – offer.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Mar 5, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Tax Brackets

The most an individual can pay in income taxes in the state of New York is $500,000 vs $225,00 in WI.

Link

by pjpaulus on Mar 5, 2010 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh

That changes things a bit. That means the most the tax difference between a Milwaukee and New York deal could have been was $1.375 million – $275k per year for five years.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Nevermind

I completely read that wrong. The $500,000 and $225,000 marks are when the highest tax percentage kicks in for the states. Wow I feel dumb.

Better Link with both NY and Wisconsin taxes explained better

Plus here are the numbers of NY City rates

by pjpaulus on Mar 5, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for thoroughness

Thanks for doing the legwork on that.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Spring training caps

I don’t generally read the comments, below news media posts…bu tthis was good

Charles Gates
You wore a Braves hat to a Mariners/Padres game? I mean, I respect the pride in your team, but isn’t that some sort of violation?

1 – Fri Mar 05,2010 8:42 AM ET Reply Craig Calcaterra
I wore it to a Dodgers-Blue Jays game the day before too. I represent when I’m out the world, bitches.

2 – Fri Mar 05,2010 8:44 AM ET Reply

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 5, 2010 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

I think a lot of commenters there, especially on Calcaterra’s posts, are people who were reading his blog at Blogspot and the Hardball Times before NBC hired him.

by morineko on Mar 5, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

note that the second post

was his. and he used the word “bitches”

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 5, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

My feelings of the Zito-Prince incident

Summed up on youtube here….

Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog

by Fatter than Joey on Mar 5, 2010 12:29 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

...

I’m not sure why I watched the whole thing, but my headache is gone now.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Shockwave

It’s probably been talked about around here before but it bears repeating. If you watch the celebration closely you can see that Trevor First Ballot HOFfman has the biggest smile on his face among any of the players. It’s been speculated that he in fact was the one who choreographed the whole thing. The haters can suck it!

"We have the depth now, and I know we'll score runs. I'm looking for a big year."
-Doug Davis

by GoCrew on Mar 5, 2010 1:11 PM CST reply actions  

can i use that as my profile picture?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Mar 6, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know

can you?

/5th grade teacher’d

Q: Did you ever scout Corey Hart? What seems to be holding him back from being a good hitter for AVG?

A: The slider away. And that facial hair.

-Keith Law ESPN chat 2/11/10

by molitorfan on Mar 6, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Both Weathers and Hoffman were happy to be involved with the Shockwave.

Between the two of them, they have 36 years of MLB experience. I would think that those two would have a pretty good idea of what’s acceptable and what’s not.

by sjlee on Mar 5, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

that SL author would disagree

he said that Hoff wouldn’t do the untuckage thing because it was disrespectful.

My guess is hoff just didn’t feel like doing it.

by PagsBrewCrew on Mar 5, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Saunders has any idea why Hoffman didn't do it.

But saying Hoffman thought it was “disrespectful” fit his rant.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Mar 5, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

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