Brewers - Cubs Series Preview: (Breaking With) A Tradition Unlike Any Other.
by Rubie Q on Apr 12, 2010 7:10 AM CDT
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PrintThis afternoon, YOUR Milwaukee Brewers make the 90-ish mile jaunt to the North side of Chicago to renew their animosities with the Cubs, who might have the most inaccurate nickname of any team (at least for this year): with eight starters age 30 or older, and five 32 or older, these guys are anything but young pups.
Let's look at the numbers, then have a little fun:
2009 record vs. Cubs: 7-10; 80 runs scored, 93 runs allowed
Current three-game series:
- Monday, April 12, 2010 @ 1:20 CDT. TV: FS Wisconsin (and WGN) Radio: 620 WTMJ
- Wednesday, April 14, 2010 @ 1:20 CDT. TV: FS Wisconsin Radio: 620 WTMJ
- Thursday, April 15, 2010 @ 1:20 CDT. TV: FS Wisconsin Radio: 620 WTMJ
Cubs Probable Starters (in order):
- Ryan Dempster (2009 splits vs. Brewers: 4 GS, 3-1, 3.67 ERA, 28 K, 9 BB, 5 HR allowed)
- Randy Wells (2009 splits vs. Brewers: 3 GS, 1-1, 3.60 ERA, 14 K, 7 BB, 2 HR allowed)
- Carlos Zambrano (2009 splits vs. Brewers: 3 GS, 0-0, 4.50 ERA, 19 K, 10 BB, 1 HR allowed)
Brewers Probable Starters (in order):
- Doug Davis (2009 splits vs. Cubs: 2 GS, 2-0, 1.20 ERA, 12 K, 5 BB, 1 HR allowed)
- Dave Bush (2009 splits vs. Cubs: 4 GS, 1-1, 6.20 ERA, 15K, 7 BB, 2 HR allowed)
- Jeff Suppan (2009 splits vs. Cubs: 4 GS, 0-3, 3.80 ERA, 10 K, 14 BB, 3 HR allowed)
In the interest of not giving even the slightest bit of Aid and Comfort to the Enemy (U.S. Const., Art. III, s. 3), we're not going to do a Q&A with a blogger from the opposition. Instead, I asked five members of Brew Crew Ball Nation (selected semi-randomly) to tell me why, exactly, they hate the Baby Bears.
Sadly, only two of those BCBers responded to my email. Those of you who didn't answer know who you are, and you'll have to live with that shame for a long, long minute or so. Anyway, thanks to drezdn and BrewHaHeather for chiming in. I also lifted a thought from kirbir and included one of my own. Their answers and more, after the jump.
Leading off is drezdn:
Here are some of the reasons why I hate the Cubs.
1) Luck: It seems like they are able to trade their worthless players for pieces they need. When that doesn't work, they pick up someone like Reed Johnson off the waiver wire, who proceeds to play out of his mind. Then, there's Ramirez's walkoff in 2007. It still burns.
2) Reed Johnson: Sure, he's not with them anymore but his bunt robbed YoGa of a season of play, and he robbed Prince of a grand slam.
3) Some of their fans: From the "Wrigley Field North" thing to their trolling of message boards, they just seem to be the most annoying fans in sports. It's annoying to go to a Brewers game at Miller Park, and have a Cubs fan act-like-a-fool whenever the other (non-Cubs) team gets a run. Plus, a significant portion of their fandom seems to be made up of people who don't follow baseball, but think they're rooting for the underdogs because of the Cubs lack of World Series success.
4) Payroll: They're basically the Red Sox or Mets without the rings.
5) The "away" game against the Astros in Miller Park. It just felt like someone else sleeping with your girlfriend.
And here's BrewHaHeather:
Like most will say, I don't hate the Cubs, I hate their fans. Their fans are douchebags and they're cocky. They come to Miller Park and are disrespectful, much more than Cardinals fans. They beat up out fans, vandalize our park, and are generally just loud, annoying [word that rhymes with "bassmoles"]. It annoys me that that invade Miller Park, but they do have every right to be there. What really bugs me is how awesome they think they are. Reading over the thread over at the evil BCB about why everyone hates the Cubs, the most common answer was (to paraphrase): "They're all just jealous of us and our huge, loyal fan base." Or all the "Miller Park would be empty without all the Cubs fans that come to Milwaukee" comments that I read in the Cubs blogs. Or when they talk about how Wrigley Field is always sold out, when half the fans there aren't even paying attention to the game. I was watching one of those Samantha Brown shows on the Travel Channel and she was in Chicago on one of the rooftop seats. She asked all the Cubs fans what the score was and no one knew. Then she asked who the Cubs were playing and still no one knew.
Now obviously, I know not all Cubs fans are oblivious douchebags, but they do seem to have a much higher concentration of them than most other teams.
For some levity, we turn to kirbir:
Cubs grow into bears, and anyone who pays attention to Stephen Colbert knows that bears are the number one threat to the nation. They trick you into thinking they're all cute and fluffy when they're young, and the BAM - they're all up in your campsite, stealing all your marshmallows.
And, to round it out, here's a thought that I borrowed stole from an old post at the Buffet:
The whole "loveable losers" crap: You know who's a loveable loser? A four-year-old playing his first tee-ball game who steps up to the plate, with the visor of the helmet tipped down over his eyes, and takes a mighty cut, only to miss the ball, spin around, and end up on his toochus. That makes you say, "Aww, li'l buddy, you tried so hard. Good for you. Have some fruit snacks and a Capri Sun." You know who's not a loveable loser? A group of stumblebums who haven't won the World Series in 100 years.
Feel free to jump in with your thoughts below, but don't burn all of your A material: I might be coming to you for the next Cubs preview.
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my number one bitch:
finding a fan of the cubs who knows what their record is/how they are doing in a particular season is few and far between.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
One day, very soon
I will come to you for a favor. You best not be “at the game” when I do.
by Rubie Q on Apr 12, 2010 8:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fine fine...
I don’t really hate the Cubs. What I hate is what the Cubs fans do to us. By the sheer size of their fan base they automatically have a larger number of dbag fans, and it feels like the vast majority of Cub fans that make their way to the holy ground of Miller Park are dbag fans. These fans do not make good house guests and have the effect of both driving away good fans from both sides and increasing the sheer number of dbag fans from both side that show up. So now we have drunk dbag Cub fans acting like asshats, and drunk dbag Brewer fans (Come on.. you know we have them) acting like asshats. It just makes for a miserable experience for all parties involved.
That’s why I hate the Cubs. Not because they can beat us on the field, but because they bring out the worst of our fan base.
Two words--Carlos Zambrano
Two more words—huge douche.
Overhyped, obnoxious headcase who thinks he’s better than every other pitcher in the world. The meltdowns do kind of make it worth it, though.
by bobhope on Apr 12, 2010 8:26 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Easy
Cub fans that come to Miller Park. Obnoxious, drunk and confrontational.
I go to most of the Brewer/Cub games at Wrigley and its the complete opposite experience. Have never had any incidents (even in the bleachers) and have sat next to some pretty knowledgeable people.
Last year at a Cubs game at Miller Park a kid decked out in Cubs gear who couldn’t have been over 20 spilled an entire beer on me then challenge me to a fight because he thought I knocked it over. Sad thing was, I’ve been to enough Cub/Brewer games at Miller Park that I wasn’t even surprised.
Get a ife broseph
On the other hand.....
I have had ROTTEN experiences going to the Chump Dump in Chicago. My first game, the bleacher fans were SUCH definitions of assholery, acting like entitled wankers from the get go. The next story is even better. It was 2 seasons ago, 2nd home game of the season, Rickie tags Sarah Marshall for a homer on the first pitch. All was well in that regard. The game was out of hand by the sixth, most of the chumps had gone home. In the eighth, there were about 5K fans left and my friend and I made a lateral move into the sunlight to warm up a little. A drunken chump sees my friend’s Brewer cap, slurs “you guys weren’t here before”, and goes and gets a little old lady usher to kick us out of the section. A chump move, typical of those chump fans. I wish all the bad things in the world to happen to them and them alone.
As a former Wrigleyville resident...
I’ve seen the the people who are “die-hard” cub fans, yet don’t know who’s starting; the girls who just like the cute jerseys/outfits; people just looking for a place to drink/be beligerant. I find the best way to deal with them is to ignore them. Every team has a few, um, embarassing fans, e.g. I cringe everytime I see a Brewers hat with an unbent brim and the stickers still on it. I feel that the whole ‘we hate cubs fans’ thing is feeding the ‘bassmole’ behavior we see at Miller Park. If they don’t know anything about whats going on unless the ball is hit out of the park then ignore them. They aren’t worth the effort.
I get the reasons for the animosity, my bloods boils at Cubs/Brewers games at Miller Park, I was at the second home game of last year when Soriano hit the go ahead homer in the ninth. That one burns still. And there were plenty of Cubs fans there popping jerseys and yelling in our faces. I just ignored it, though I was seething. When I was at Wrigley for Opening Day 2008 a game we took in extras (when Gagne had his first of many blown saves) I didn’t get in people’s face. I cheered and was proud and wasn’t a d-bag in another stadium i.e. represented my team/homestate well.
My point is, lets not stoop down to some other fan’s level. They take this kinda stuff as being jelous of their team, fans, city etc. (irrational, I know). I think we are better informed, more passionate, and just better fans than that.
(Steps off soap box)
by thefreewheelin76 on Apr 12, 2010 8:29 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah, this series preview is in bad form.
Brew Crew Ball is one of the best blogs around, but hating on division rivals ≠ entertainment.
i think (s)he's got a point
why treat the cubs any differently? I could see doing a series preview like this for our first home series against the cubs, but why treat them any different than any of the other opening series. Unless you just couldn’t get a positive response from whoever you did choose to interview.
I’m sure Al would answer your questions though…sure there might be a barb or two in his comments, but I’m sure he could speak about his team and its strengths and weaknesses.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
nope
not for me
I want to see either an honest or a fanciful self-appraisal by a cubs fan…same as for any other team. We treat them like shit, we deserve to have shit rubbed in our faces. Enough of this tit for tat thing. Lets just treat people how we want to be treated, whether or not they do that to us.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
You're acting like
this is a legitimate news site, and not a fan-run blog.
I honestly don’t care what cubs fans think of me, I hope they hate us. That’s what makes it a rivalry, and more fun than the other games. Anything we can do to get under their skin is 100% okay with me.
Shruggity
I'm treating it like a legitimate news site
because that’s how I thought we were setting it up to be with the first two series previews.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Pags
I’d prefer to take the high road, but to each their own.
Maybe I’m too insulated, since I’m out of state and have not been to a game since the American League/County stadium days.
that might be it for me too
I’ve never witnessed the cubs asshattery personally. I’ve read reports and seen the news, but I’ve only been to a couple of Brewers games at Miller + the day-before-allstars-game festivities.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Not a fan of this preview. We are stooping to their level. By openly calling them d-bags in our series preview we are asking for even more of the behavior everyone here is hating on. You don’t fight fire with fire in this situation. You’re just going to end up with more ignoramus drunks.
The thing I’ve always liked about this blog is how well the witty humor hinted at things without going as low as this. I’ve noticed a trend lately of openly bashing players and teams. Might as well start doing posts like “Why everyone thinks Jeff Suppan is an overpaid DBag Suckmachine Idiot Face.”
I still love troll reading you BCB.
"My plan is my plan," Yost said.
This turned out to be longer than I thought it would be.
Correct me if I’m wrong, Rubie, but I think this was meant to be somewhat therapeutic. It’s distressing when someone ruins your day at the ballpark, as visiting Cubs fans seem determined to do. I wouldn’t extend this criticism to all Cubs fans, but I think the same general audacity, to varying degrees, that would allow someone to feel comfortable cheering for the visiting team in any ballpark is magnified by the Miller Park culture of beerdrinking (of which I’m in wholehearted support) and the strength of their (Cubs fans’) numbers. I’m sure most of us here have deliberately avoided Cubs@Brewers games for the last couple years because of the distraction from the game that the constant trashtalking and posturing on both sides generate. This works fine for my family and I, but I feel bad for those caught unawares, expecting a relaxing experience (and I’m not someone who expects the ballpark experience to be overtly family-friendly; it goes against the history and spirit of the game). My point, however is that any criticism of Cubs fans should include the qualifier “visiting.”
(Growing up in northern Wisconsin, the combination of people who had settled in the area after having vacationed from the Chicago area for years and those Wisconsinites who lamented the loss of their NL franchise without shifting their loyalty to the Brewers meant that there were as many Cubs fans as Brewers fans. These were good baseball fans.)
My one criticism that extends beyond these visiting fans to the franchise itself (aside from Zambrano, King of the Asshats), is that they attribute their lack of championships to bad luck, when they’ve never, as far as I know, had a “rebuilding” year. I know it’s a cliche in sports that any team not in a position to contend is “rebuilding,” whether they are actively doing so or not, but you can’t win with a perennial “win-now” mentality, unless you’re the Yankees. That’s my opinion, anyway.
The idea behind this long, long post was supposed to be that instead of tarnishing what should have been a reasonably objective, season-long ritual in the spirit of good sportsmanship and common fandom, the series previews, this rather antagonistic “preview” should have been consigned to a FanPost or a separate front page thing. Venting against visiting Cubs fans, which should also be a regular (and healthy) ritual, shouldn’t disguise itself as anything else.
by gene dietzgen on Apr 12, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll go ahead and respond to this point:
Venting against visiting Cubs fans, which should also be a regular (and healthy) ritual, shouldn’t disguise itself as anything else.
To me, there are two standards – the one to which we hold previews of literally every other team, and the one to which we hold previews of the Cubs.
I understand that people will disagree, but at the risk of dropping a bit of my professionalism, I’ll be open in the admission that I can’t stand a fair portion of the population of Cub fans. They’re the only fan base I’ve ever seen make Miller Park uninhabitable, the type of fan I’ll skip games to avoid. I know there are good baseball fans in the Cub fan population, but they’re outnumbered (or at least outscreamed) a segment of their fans that don’t deserve even the implication of respect.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 12, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
There is no template for series previews
In fact, we distinctly decided against them.
Series previews came up as a bit of a last minute idea and only 3 of us writers agreed/volunteered to do them. We divvied up the teams we’d each be covering about 3 days before the season.
This is content that will give you stats, profiles, matchups and pretty much anything else we can think to share with you as the season goes on, but there’s not much to tell you six games in.
Previews will take whatever form the writer thinks will work at the time of writing, so don’t get too attached to the first two. We play some teams up to 5 or 6 series a season. We can’t always switch questions with other bloggers. You’d find that pretty boring.
I understand that folks are very proprietarial about this site and its contents, but remember that for the most part the contributors are no different than you folks, expcept we spend a lot of our free time racking our brains for new, original and entertaining things for you all to read. Without compensation.
I won’t speak for any of the other writers, but I know I feel a pressure each time I publish something because the fan base here can be very demanding and very critical.
by Nicole Haase on Apr 12, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I apologize for "tarnishing" the sanctity of the season previews.
I misunderestimated the very SRS BSNS we’re engaged in here. But I should’ve known better; I only have to look at our closer to remember:
I’ve let you down most of all, Trevor. I’m so sorry.
Yea seriously...
Even Prince keeps it serious all the time.
"My plan is my plan," Yost said.
I hadn't wanted to buy a baseball card in probably 20 years until I saw this.
by MillerParkSouth on Apr 12, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah
where can i buy that? or what do I search in order to find it? I’m in!
by Nicole Haase on Apr 12, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I felt the same way.
It’s the first card in Topps 2010 set. Search ebay for “topps 2010 #1 prince fielder”
"My plan is my plan," Yost said.
I want that card but I had a better idea
This picture would make the most awesome Fatboy ever. It would have to have the guys laying on the ground. Can you imagine walking into a friend’s mancave with that life size image on the wall?
by Brew Believer on Apr 12, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
That would be incredible. Especially if the only lighting was a flood light directly on Prince. You can make custom Fatheads, but you must have rights to use the image.
"My plan is my plan," Yost said.
I can't believe I called it a Fatboy
Must be Monday
by Brew Believer on Apr 12, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong word.
“Tarnishing” was probably the wrong word for what I meant to say, but I think my comments were in line with the earlier commentators who indicated a preference for the earlier format, whether that was an agreed-upon "template or not. Just giving feedback. I assure you I wasn’t taking it any more seriously than that, along with offering my own point of view on the Cubs.
by gene dietzgen on Apr 12, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
When I was at Wrigley for Opening Day 2008 a game we took in extras (when Gagne had his first of many blown saves) I didn’t get in people’s face. I cheered and was proud and wasn’t a d-bag in another stadium i.e. represented my team/homestate well
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I think that’s exactly what drives me nuts. I don’t mind that you are loyal to another team, it’s when you act like a jackass at some one elses park that drives me nuts. When visiting other parks, I try to be respectful of others. People at Wrigley are pretty nice as long as you don’t get in their grill, same with the Card fans down in Busch. If you cheer for your team with out making an ass out of yourself, you are more then welcome to come to our park and help fund our club. Thanks for helping us sign Brauny long term Cub fans. :)
Mets and Giants fans were always respectful of me when I was in their stadium
I got a couple of gentle ribs from the Mets fans, but it was all in good fun.
Mets fans were downright rude to Phillies fans the series immediately before the Mets Brewers series though….so I’m sure every team out there has that other team that brings out the worst in their own fanbase.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
My point is by adding fuel to the fire with ’Let’s Bash Cub Fan’ Threads we’re becoming part of the problem. Yeah, 90% of what is being said on here makes me nod my head and agree, but don’t sink to their level.
In short: Stay Classy Milwaukee
by thefreewheelin76 on Apr 12, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who thinks there’s a serious problem? There’s no problem, it’s a rivalry. They hate us, we hate them. We think they act like douches, they think we act like douches. At the end of the day, as long as no one gets hurt, what’s the big deal? Have a little fun.
Shruggity
There's not a serious problem
and I didn’t want to come off as waving a finger at having fun. But, I enjoy games much more when it is a rivalry and not a drunken name calling contest. I enjoy having a few lakefronts and heading into MP with a buzz, but when we start dropping F-Bombs and yelling D-bag around a dad and his kids trying to enjoy the game, that takes away from the experience for everyone. It’s gonna happen to a degree no matter what. I just don’t like this being a forum to encourage it.
by thefreewheelin76 on Apr 12, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
But if we try to stay classy
what will be left for us to mock the Cardinals about?
It’s all about managing the difficult balancing trick of not being idiots like some Cubs fans but not being sanctimonious like some Cardinals fans…
"I hope your name is Rick"
Wrigley
I love Wrigley because, despite being a dump and home of the enemy, it’s like a walk into history going there. I always cheer for the Brewers (in a non-obnoxious way) and have never had any problems.
Bassmoles are a part of life, I don’t think they’re specific to Cubs fans.
by junyer_mint on Apr 12, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
My biggest problem with Cubs fans is that they're corrupting Brewer fans.
We’re not that much different than they are. From my experiences, if you’re hospitable with a Cubs fan in Miller Park, they’ll be hospitable in return. It works probably 90% of the time. But those 10% that are bad apples seem to have corrupted that same portion of Brewers fans.
I was at the Cardinals game on Friday, and watched a few arguments between Brewers and Cardinals fans. In every single case, it was a Brewers fan starting a tiff with a Cardinal fan, and then continuing to egg them on. Seriously, when did we become just as bad as Cubs fans?
http://www.mlbsoup.com
“they pick up someone like Reed Johnson off the waiver wire, who proceeds to play out of his mind.”
The Brewers might also have picked up someone off the waiver wire (from the Cubs, no less) who has proceeded to play out of his mind.
by Cheeseandcorn on Apr 12, 2010 8:35 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Let's Go With a Fancy Numbered List
1) The proliferation of Fukudome jerseys
2) Turning a routine fly ball into 30,000 spilled Old Styles in anticipation of a home run
3) Guys from Des Moines who move to Lincoln Park and think they are God’s gift to urbanity
4) Racine-Kenosha-Waukegan corridor Cubs fans too cheap to go to Wrigley
5) “Why would I go to a Sox game? I’ll get shot.”
"When a guy takes off his coat, he's not going to fight. When a guy takes off his wristwatch, watch out!"
- Al McGuire
www.anonymouseagle.com
I guess I'm different than a lot of the Brewers fans here
I don’t really know any idiotic, boorish Cub fans. I’ve seen lots of ‘em on TV, but all the Cubs fans I know personally are passionate, earnest, good-natured fans who know the team well and have been following them for a long time – starting with my grandma, who’s been a Cubs fan since the ’30s and still watches almost every single game. (Although I think a lot of this may be because I live in Nebraska – nowhere near the north side.)
That said, here’s what I can’t stand about Cubs fans collectively – the whole ‘woe is us, we’re lovable losers’ thing. The Cubs may not have won a World Series in 100+ years, but if you’ve only been alive for 25 of those years and following the team for 15, you don’t get to count any of that misery as your own.
Let’s take the last decade, for example:
Cubs: 3 division titles, 3 playoff appearances, 6 seasons over .500, 1 last-place finish
Brewers: 0 division titles, 1 playoff appearance, 2 seasons over .500, 3 last-place finishes
Pirates: 0 division titles, 0 playoff appearances, 0 seasons over .500, 5 last-place finishes.
Who’s the lovable losers out of these? And the Cubs have the third-highest payroll in baseball – $135 million on Opening Day last year – $45 million more than the next-highest team in division. Those aren’t lovable losers. Those are incompetent would-be juggernauts.
My grandpa was a big Cubs fan
When the Braves moved out of town he started to follow the cubs and didn’t switch back to the Brewers when they moved in because “they’re not the Braves”
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
My grandma grew up north of Madison in the ‘30s, and her dad would spend a lot of summer afternoons with the other men standing outside in the shade, listening to Cubs games on the radio. That’s when she was hooked, and by the time the Braves came in the ’50s, she already had her team.
Don’t tell anyone, but I might actually be a little bit happy if the Cubs ever won a World Series – if only for my grandma’s sake.
by Cheeseandcorn on Apr 12, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
when brewers were an AL team
the cubs were kinda my NL team because one of my best friends growing up was a cubs fan and his dad gave me a bunch of cubs baseball cards, including a significant Ryan Sandberg card (rookie? MVP? early all-star?)
I should look at my collection again one of these days. Are those brewers police cards worth anything? Or just Topps/Fleer/etc?
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
well...seeing as my most valuable card back in the day was worth $8
and most of my cards were worth about 2 cents, I wouldn’t be holding out hope for much.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
oh...and the $8 would have been if in mint condition
which was clearly not the case for any of my cards.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
but I do have a (weathered) Spahn baseball
that’s got to be worth something.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 12, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Cubs fans one-on-one can be just fine. Put tens of thousands in a stadium and they become total asshats. You can say, “every team gets a mob rules attitude,” but having been to multiple Cubs games, Rangers games, a Twins game and an Oakland Athletics game, the Cubs have something special going on.
Kirbir's comment
and paraphrasing from a commercial I saw recently
“you know your odds of winning that lottery are about the same as being mauled by a polar bear and a real bear in the same day”
Cubs and their fans...
Well I guess I am a little different than a lot of you in that I don’t deny my hate for the Cubs, sure I hate their fans, but I really can’t stand the Cubs. They represent everything I hate about professional sports. Sure their fans suck the sweat off a dead mans balls, but really it is the team that blows. No championships in 102 and counting. The spend enough money to compete, but not enough to win championships. Their ownership, old and new wants to make money much more than they want to win titles. Their players seem to go through the motions 4 of every 6 months of every season even when they have enough talent to at leasst challenge for championships. Don’t even get me started on that Jaba the Hut they have managing the team, he might be the most overrated manager in all of the game, perhaps in it’s history. He can’thandle a pitching staff to save his life and is constantly jerking his guys around. He practically ruined a classy guy when he had Jeff Cirillo playing for him.
The Cubs are basically that pretty girl from Biology class, she looks cute, seems smart, flirty and fun, but ends up face down in the gutter covered in her own puke after a night of drinking.
by Why So Serious? on Apr 12, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions
Methinks ESPN needs to update their photos
It’s probably been mentioned before, but it bears mentioning again, in that case. A friend pointed out that the Brewers apparently borrowed a Diamondback to pitch for them today.
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=300412116&teams=milwaukee-brewers-vs-chicago-cubs
Something else I forgot to mention.
The d-bags from the other BCB. How many times have they wandered over here just to gloat or pick a fight? I haven’t seen that nearly as often from Cardinal fans or fans from any of the other blogs.
My goodness.
My personal view:
Most Cubs fans are glory hunters who can’t even manage to choose a team that wins things…
"I hope your name is Rick"
so...
I wish I’d remembered this story when you were asking for them, but someone’s comment triggered the memory.
Two years ago I took my mom to a game Wrigley. It was the game Yovani injured his knee, which could probably be an entire different story about fans cheering for an opposing team member getting injured, but I digress.
About the 7th inning or so (I think), Zambrano was on the mound and this group of 30-something guys behind us who’d been spouting misinformation and inanities all game, as well as heckling me and my mom (really, you heckle a 26 year old and her mom?).
So Zambrano throws a pitch and they look up and go "Holy crap, that was 101 mph! In the 7th inning. Oh my god." They are beside themselves with how amazing Zambrano is and they’re making comments about his prowess when our pitcher couldn’t even stay in the game.
Next pitch comes. "OH MY GOD. 102 mph. That’s amazing!" etc
Same thing the following pitch. By this point they’re just about wetting themselves with how great Zambrano is
Finally, my 56 year old mother, a casual fan at best, turns around and goes "that’s the pitch count you jackasses, the speed gun is over there."
These geniuses not only couldn’t figure out that Zambrano doesn’t throw 100 mph pithes, especially that late in the game, but they were apparently so unfamiliar with Wrigley that my mom on her first trip there knew where the various scoreboards were better than they did.
Owned by my mother.
by Nicole Haase on Apr 12, 2010 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 10 recs
This should be the series preview.
"My plan is my plan," Yost said.
bonus
Called my mom to tell her she was famous over on BCB.
First words out of her mouth:
“You didn’t tell them how old I am, did you?”
by Nicole Haase on Apr 12, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Having lived four blocks from Wrigley for the last 3.5 years,
I feel like Wrigley Cubs fans and Miller Park Cubs fans are pretty different. Up in Milwaukee you get a lot more Gurnee and Kenosha Cubs fan driving up. If I lived there, I’d do the same thing – traffic, parking and even eating and drinking are a lot easier heading north than driving into Chicago. The problem with this group is that they’re in Milwaukee and as such are a little more inclined to be antagonistic I think – plus they probably don’t go to too many games and might not be the most knowledgeable.
Then there’s Wrigley, which is just set up to be more of a party: the rooftops (which are great if you have good eyes), the lack of big scoreboards and gimmicks to keep people’s attention, and the bleachers being separate from the rest of the stadium foster that. (Not to mention Wrigleyville is easily the douchiest neighborhood in Chicago. Other than Ian’s, the Metro and the stadium, it’s a sea of mostly terrible bars.) People will take the day off, jump on the Red Line and roll into Casey Moran’s or the Cubby Bear at 11 and be pretty uninterested in anything but nachos by the time they get to the game. And there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s fun as hell, but for those who are there to watch a baseball game, it’s annoying, though occasionally hilarious: I’ve seen a guy at Wrigley in full Cubs regalia catch a homerun in the bottom of an inning and drunkenly throw it back on the field. We laughed.
Basically I think we’re all products of our environment and that you’ll be more likely to remember a negative experience than a positive one. Anecdotally though, it does seem like a lot of the most outspoken Cubs fans tend to make up for their lack of baseball knowledge with stubborn antagonism.
by MillerParkSouth on Apr 12, 2010 11:07 AM CDT reply actions
Just remembered this story
Was listening to the radio (WGN maybe?) on opening day and heard this exchange:
Caller: I’m a huuuuuge Cubs fan but my boyfriend is a Sox fan! We always fight about it.
Radio guy: Oh tough day for you today then. (Cubs lost, Sox won)
Caller: Why what happened?
Ha.
by MillerParkSouth on Apr 12, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate day games during the school year
Thanks Cubs and your stupid tradition
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Not to throw gas on the fire here
But how did we get this far into this conversation without anyone bringing up Ron Santo?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Regarding Santo
Let me go out on a limb and say…wait, I’ve said enough.
"When a guy takes off his coat, he's not going to fight. When a guy takes off his wristwatch, watch out!"
- Al McGuire
www.anonymouseagle.com
by Warrior Brad on Apr 12, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
A Story
I am a cubs fan, and am going to look @ both pre-game blogs. But right now I just want you guys to know about a story of my own.
My 13 year old cousin went to a miller park Cubs-Brewers game.He was decked out in cubs gear. Guess what? There were drunk people in a stadium named after beer! 2 drunk brewer girls behind him telling him throughout the game how “cute his little moustache was”. Think about when you guys were 13. Yeah. So it pretty much ruined the game for the entire family going as they were attempting to make insanely drunk conversation with him every 5 minutes.
Just showing the other side of drunk fans.
But yeah, there’s a lot of d-bag cubs fans. But not every single cubs fan is a drunk college student. There are actually 80% of them who don’t want to spill beers on a brewer fan’s head.
Oh, and Ron Santo is clueless, and that’s why we love him.
Thanks for stopping by
And I’m sorry if fans ruined your Brewer game experience. But if the best you can do for an example is two girls making fun of a teenager for his bad mustache, I don’t think we have a contest.
If a 13 year old sat in front of me wearing Brewer gear and a weak mustache, I’d be tempted to make fun of it.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
My opinion
Cubs fan here. I think your hatred for cubs fans stems from your hatred for Illinois people. I lived in Madison for 2 years and everyday I heard from my co-workers, ‘FIB’, ‘I hate paying tolls’, ‘you Illinois people are all assholes’, ‘you can’t drive’, etc.
Just my opinion, but if I hated people from a certain state, I would hate their athletic teams fan’s too.
Almost think it is in reverse
Hate the athletic teams of illinois which in turn makes me hate Illinois. Chicken or the Egg?
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25 | 21 | .543 | 0.5 | Lost 2 |
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