Friday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while learning about coffee (h/t Keith Law).
Unless you've spent the last 24 hours obsessing over NFL Draft coverage, you probably know that the Brewers beat the Pirates 20-0 yesterday. Adam McCalvy and Jenifer Langosch have a collection of records and trivialities from the win, and note that the win was one of the five most lopsided shutouts of the last 110 years.
The most notable single performance might have come from Prince Fielder, who ended a 54 at bat homerless streak with his first of the season in the second inning. Tom Haudricourt says lots of people have been telling Fielder to relax, but now he finally can do it. Also, Ken Macha said that Fielder's left hand has been sore from getting jammed by pitches, but he's not injured and, as demonstrated yesterday, he still appears to have much of his power.
Other notes from the carnage:
- Of course, Disciples of Uecker has a Pitch F/x look at the day.
- Jayson Stark tweeted that it was the first 20-0 major league game since the American Association's Reds beat the Orioles 20-0 in 1889, and the first such NL game since the White Stockings beat the Nationals in 1886.
- Bob Nightengale notes that the loss was the worst in the Pirates' 124-year franchise history.
- Dejan Kovacevic has video reaction from the Pirate clubhouse.
- Walkoff Walk notes that, despite entering the game at 7-7, the Pirates already had baseball's worst run differential at -37.
- @notkenmacha notes that Macha is now 135th on the all time list for managerial wins and credits Rick Peterson's brownies for loosening up the team.
- Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder and Randy Wolf lead FanGraphs' Star of the Game Voting.
- CoolStandings was impressed by the win: They've bumped the Brewers' playoff chances up to 33.8%.
- Brian Anderson shares his view from the booth at PNC Park.
After scoring 20 runs, the Brewers now lead the NL in slugging percentage and are second in the NL in runs scored, batting average, OBP and OPS, all behind the Dodgers, and second in home runs behind the Cardinals. Lost in the offensive explosion was this fact, though: By holding the Pirates to one run over three games, Brewer pitchers have lowered their team ERA to 4.88. That's still only the 11th best number in the NL, but it's a nice step up from the 14th ranking they had before the series.
On the individual side, Ryan Braun is now leading or tied for the NL lead in hits (25), RBI (20), slugging (.733) and OPS (1.212). Alcides Escobar leads the NL with three triples, and Prince Fielder and Rickie Weeks are tied for the NL lead with 5 HBP.
Perhaps it was a coincidence, but yesterday's offensive explosion came with Gregg Zaun on the bench. Despite the positional adjustment tied to catching, Zaun was an honorable mention with -0.5 WAR in Beyond the Box Score's look at the worst players in baseball.
Rickie Weeks, meanwhile, played in his 15th consecutive game yesterday and told Adam McCalvy he wants to play all 162 this season. His career high is 133.
As proof that what goes around comes around, the Brewers will follow up their 20 run performance by sending Jeff Suppan to the mound tonight to return some of those runs to the Cubs. After a somewhat unusual spring, Suppan is hoping to get back into a routine of starting every five days. In 2009, Suppan posted a 5.47 ERA in 19 starts on his normal four days of rest, and a 4.97 ERA in eleven other starts. Maybe the Brewers should mess with his routine more often.
In the minors:
- Bryan Smith of FanGraphs has a review of the Brewers' decision to call Jonathan Lucroy up to AAA (FanShot). He thinks Lucroy will eventually be worth 2.5-3 wins per season as a regular catcher, and predicts the Brewers might call him up sooner than later.
- Brewerfan.net is reporting that the Brewers have signed infielder Brett Dowdy to a minor league deal, and assigned him to Nashville. Dowdy is 28 years old and has spent most of his career in the Padres organization, where he hit .237/.281/.313 for AAA Portland in 2009.
- Rattler Radio reports that Maverick Lasker, Del Howell and Damon Krestalude will start this weekend's games for Wisconsin, with Kyle Heckathorn pitching in relief tonight and Nick Bucci coming out of the 'pen tomorrow.
Around baseball:
Athletics: Designated outfielder Jai Miller for assignment and placed outfielder Travis Buck on the DL with an oblique strain.
Dodgers: Placed Jeff Weaver on the DL with a sore back.
Phillies: Placed J.A. Happ on the DL with a forearm strain.
Rays: Have reportedly agreed to a five year deal with Ben Zobrist.
Tigers: Placed DH Carlos Guillen on the DL with a hamstring strain.
What do former Brewers Matt Stairs, Wes Helms, Candy Maldonado, Brady Clark, Thad Bosley and John Vander Wal all have in common? They all appear on the B-Ref blog's list of the best pinch hitters since 1961.
The count is at six*: Via MetsGrrl, I learned that Wednesday's Mets-Cubs game at Citi Field drew just 25,684 fans, a new record low. That would actually be a great number in several cities and the fact that it's a record is largely due to the fact that Citi is just two years old, but nonetheless the Mets join the Blue Jays, Indians, Orioles, Nationals and Mariners on the list of clubs that have drawn record lows to their parks this season.
* - The list is actually seven if you count the Twins, who opened Target Field this season and as such couldn't help but set a new record.
On this day in 1954 Hank Aaron hit his first major league home run, a solo shot in the sixth inning. The Braves went on to beat the Cardinals 7-5 in 14 innings.
On this day one year ago Dave Bush held the Phillies hitless for 7 1/3 innings before allowing a solo home run to Matt Stairs. The Brewers went on to win the game 6-1.
Happy birthday today to:
- Hall of Famer Warren Spahn, who would have turned 89.
- 2009 Nashville Sound Jason Tyner, who turns 33.
- 2001 first round pick and 2010 Huntsville Star Mike Jones, who turns 27.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you need a reason to be happy the Brewers won't draft Bryce Harper.
Drink up.
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Going to one of my only games tonight
and Suppan is pitching. Son of a B. Feel like tickets should be half price. Oh well, me and my friend beer will take care of that.
Suppan. And all those obnoxious Cub fans.
That will require a LOT of beer.
by Brew Believer on Apr 23, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope you're in the upper decks
The Cubs fans tend to dominate the lower levels moreso than the upper levels. I’ll never go to another Brewers/Cubs game in my life. What a terrible experience.
by ecocd on Apr 23, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, I'd gladly go to any Brewers game
stupid move it was moving to texas… baseball-wise at least
by MKEtotheATX on Apr 23, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Roughly 150 games a year, I'd agree with you.
But “moving away” is roughly the right step to take during a Brewers-Cubs series.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 23, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm optimistic!
and i’m rarely so. but i think suppan will pitch okay tonight. the game probably finishes 7-5 or 8-6.
by Capt Science on Apr 23, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll be there too.
The Cubs games are always…. eventful. So, even if Suppan blows it, you’ll probably have some stories. Tailgating?
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Huh. I had never heard that about Bryce Harper.
That is some harsh criticism though.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
I hadnt heard that either
But its not surprising.
I wouldnt touch that guy with a ten foot pole. He screams Ryan Leaf.
Nationals probably will still take him though, but I hope for their sake he holds out, doesnt sign, allowing them the 2nd pick in ’11 and maybe even the first pick as well, and they could take the 3B from Rice that will go next year.
Keith Law addressed it yesterday in his chat
I’ve seen a few pieces like that, one that called him a “terrible role model” … for one thing, he’s 17 years old. For another, the coaching staff at CSN seems to have no problem with him, and his behavior on the field – where it matters – has been fine. What you’re really seeing is a bad combination of the kill-your-idols school of writing and plain old contrarianism – take down the best guy. You heard it last year with unfounded criticisms of Strasburg’s arm action. So, to answer your question, I think it’s wrong, and I think it’s irrelevant.
Get a ife broseph
"His behavior on the field has been fine."
Scroll down from the link I posted above to see an account of him being tossed from a game for taunting the opposing dugout, while playing the outfield a full inning after hitting a home run.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 23, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see your point, I don’t think I’d be friends with the guy. However I tend to agree with Law, I wouldn’t pass on taking a potential great player because of unsportsmanlike actions he did when he was 17.
Get a ife broseph
The problem isn't what he does at 17 now.
It’s what he’s going to do when he’s 18 in high-A or AA next season, with a major league contract, 40 man roster spot and double digit millions in his bank account.
He’s not going to get any less cocky.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
He’s not going to get any less cocky.
I think that’s a pretty big assumption, especially when talking about a 17 year old. Lots of players (and people) mature as they get older.
Get a ife broseph
Right
But reaction to failure is usually one of the factors in that maturity. And he’s going to get a lot of money and accolades over the next year.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 23, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he will.
He’ll still be the big man on campus, but he’ll be put in his place more often than he is now. He’ll no longer be three heads above the competition.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
I for one could not care less if he's the cockiest guy in the world
He should be.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I suppose cokcy is better than arrogant
It really depends upon whether he’s willing to learn, right? If he’s of the opinion that he’s perfect and none of the coaches “understand him” then that’s an unproductive kind of cocky. If he’s got the ability and wants to get better, then cocky is fine.
A Pirate fans perspective on Harper
So… I don’t care if he kicks puppies and burns mentally disabled orphans with lit cigarettes. If he can help us not get beat 20-0 I would sign him
Ryan Braun is extremely cocky.
But we haven’t heard stories of him being a huge dick to other people. Just making a really bad clothing line.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
by Noah Jarosh on Apr 23, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget the restaurant ad requesting beautiful people only
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
by theBrouhaha on Apr 23, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
by Noah Jarosh on Apr 23, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
What, are you Bruce Pearl?
Take a walk around UWM’s campus on a warm day in May.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
"Great, kid. Don't get cocky!"
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by Yar Nivek on Apr 23, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Curse you. Curse you and your amazing skills.
/ jealous
Send this to Randy Wolf, he’ll love it.
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And this is what they're out to destroy.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
Ive spent a lot of time around this game
Coaching HS, on college teams, working in and around the game for almost 20 years.
And that is the first thing any scout notices. Makeup is a huge issue. Scouts love to see how a player carries himself, from how he plays catch or walks on and off the field to even how a player walks off of the team bus. And the reason for this is that if you cant handle adversity now in HS, when you get to the professional game there is going to be failure, guaranteed. A player who taunts when you are winning now as a young kid like that, blows up ala Milton Bradley or Albert Belle, when things are bad.
When you see things like taunting, or blaming, its a big red flag. I realize the kid is 17 years old, and probably your typical 17 year old immature punk, but its still a bad sign.
by backtocali on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reminds me of Billy Beane as a ballplayer.
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Goldstein Tweet from this afternoon
Team Official “Half of Harper’s problem is that environment, that whole team behaves like jackasses …he’ll be better once heout of there.”
Get a ife broseph
This is gonna sound pretty stupid, but
I actually kind of felt bad for the Pirates after watching that video…I mean those guys looked absolutely devastated. I always wonder what goes through the heads of players on teams like the Pirates or the Orioles, teams that know they have no chance at postseason success, teams that have no shot at keeping their best players. McClutchen seemed absolutely gutted…at least it’s good to know they didn’t just shrug it off
captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee
Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.
by JAMOOL on Apr 23, 2010 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Can't I just enjoy my favorite team winning a historic blowout
Without feeling like a dick? Stop making me feel bad about this!
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
by Noah Jarosh on Apr 23, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Not saying it wasn't an awesome victory
But I would have felt way better about, say, a 10-run blowout of the Cubs or Cardinals or something. The Pirates are not just a hopeless team in general but they particularly suck against the Crew. It must suck to be a legit talent on that team knowing they haven’t had a winning record since you were in elementary school…
captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee
Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.
I will second this.
Stepping back from the fan perspective, it’s easy to forget that they do this for a living. It’s similar to failure in any other occupation, only, it seems like the Pirates management in this case is the entity throwing the players under the bus by not putting anywhere close to a position of success.
They've started a rebuilding process, and they're doing it the right way.
It’s just a matter of whether or not they can get some fans out there so that they have money to lock up McCutchen. Things will fall into place after that.
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Agreed, Pirates hope >>>> Orioles hope
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Maybe based on divisions
But in terms of talent I think the Orioles have a pretty solid core of players together in Jones, Wieters and Markakis (maybe throw Josh Bell in this group) plus elite pitching in Matusz and Tillman.
Besides McCutchen and Pedro Alvarez, I don’t think there is much to get excited about right now in Pittsburgh.
Get a ife broseph
Yeah, I think if the Orioles keep drafting well, they could be a very good team in a 2-3-4 years.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
by Noah Jarosh on Apr 23, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
He also knows which came first, the chicken or the egg.
But he’s not telling, it amuses him.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Apr 23, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't feel bad for most of the Pirates individual players.
Sure, losing sucks but if they can play well and put up a couple of decent individual seasons, then they’ll be valuable enough to earn a trade to someone else or be a valuable part of the organization when it finally turns around. I’m sure getting crushed isn’t much fun, but it’s not like it’s hampering these guys’ long term outlooks all that much.
If anything, I feel bad for the fans and management. They’re stuck with this team.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
i feel bad, but not sure for who
for the players? no. as you mention, the good ones will be able to go elsewhere. the bad ones are playing in the majors. they should be happy with that!
for the management? no. they put this upon themselves. they apparently have a plan. so it is what it is.
for the fans? almost, but no. the pirates finished 2nd in ‘97 and went to the NLCS three times in the early ’90’s. plus there are other sports in the pittsburgh area that are competitive (penguins in the playoffs and have won the stanley cup as recently as ‘08-’09 and the steelers won in 2009).
by Capt Science on Apr 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll nominate a few:
The coaching staff: They can’t help the hand they’ve been dealt, but for better or worse their career records will show they were at the helm of a clearly terrible team.
Guys like Zach Duke. I know I said above that they’ll likely get to move on eventually, but until then they’ll spend 4 out of 5 days watching terrible baseball and wondering if this is the week they switch cities.
With that said, if you’re a fringe major leaguer, Pittsburgh should be a destination of choice: If you perform there, you should be able to get consistent enough playing time to parlay it into a long term opportunity.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 23, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't a fan base generational, though?
To date myself, I was born in 1980. If I were a Pirates fan, I’m not sure how much I would’ve appreciated the NLCS when I was 13. I know I’d appreciate the futility of 17 consecutive losing seasons as a 30-year old. The potential fans born in 1986 have had nothing but misery for years upon years. Simply put, they’re never going to be fans. If they’re not fans, their kids aren’t going to be fans, either. Such extended droughts of futility mean a large gap in a team’s fanbase.
The NFL has it right with their parity. A young fan isn’t going to remember that a playoff team went 9-7, he’s going to remember they went to the playoffs will remember going to the playoffs that one year and keep that memory.
Brewers were pretty crappy for 25 years
I don’t think there is really a big generational gap in our fanbase right now.
Get a ife broseph
I was born in 87
So until very recently, every year I followed the brewers was a baaaad year.
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
by theBrouhaha on Apr 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh, apparently I'm a bad person.
I don’t feel bad at all. Laughed it up during the replay last night, and have thoroughly enjoyed all the coverage.
No one felt bad for the Brewers when we were god-awful, I’m not going to say I feel bad for the teams that are god-awful now. Mainly because I don’t, partially because I think it seems a little pretentious.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on Apr 23, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Count me in your corner
I refuse to feel bad for anyone who gets paid millions of dollars to play baseball for a living. Losing sucks. Too bad. Suck it up. If you want to complain about your job get in line behind the guy who sucks out septic tanks or washes windows on skyscrapers for a living.
by nullacct on Apr 23, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Those guys make a bunch of money though.
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 23, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The Brewers Pitching Staff
has got to look like they O.D.’d on Enzyte after that series. On their faces, that is.
Pretty lol comment from the Pirates post-game thread:
“Unfortunately, I made it to 2 out of 3 games…the only highlight is when Carlos Gomez threw a ball into my section and broke a fan’s nose”
captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee
Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.
by JAMOOL on Apr 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I hadn't seen this confirmed until now
But I wondered if it was the case as I was listening yesterday.
Some of the Brewers apparently discussed how they could keep the game from getting further out of hand, and steps were taken. Manager Ken Macha replaced his entire heart of the order late in the game, and third base coach Brad Fischer had the stop sign up at every turn.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10113/1052676-63.stm#ixzz0lwIHBxU8
Does the scoreboard show 12 LOB for the Brewers?
Imagine how bad the game could have gotten if the team was more clutch.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Apr 23, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't find the post
but someone made a comment yesterday about Riggs & Murtaugh
here ya go

by nullacct on Apr 23, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 10 recs
I despise you for how clearly awesome you are.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
by Noah Jarosh on Apr 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I love you. Is that weird?
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be accurate
if only Prince wouldn’t have to stand on a step-ladder to look taller than Braun
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
by theBrouhaha on Apr 23, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot of man love coming your way
personally, I like the pics. Keep them coming. But i refuse to offer myself for your carnal pleasures.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I rec'd this, too.
So it’s like I rec’d the picture twice.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
by Noah Jarosh on Apr 23, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Brewers now have 4 everyday players with a 1.000+ OPS
…and none of them are named Prince (yet). Gotta love this offense.
gotta love that pirates pitching.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I can't find the person's comment
but another poster pointed out the Hoffman shied away from his changeup again yesterday. 11 fastballs. Maybe it’s just because he didn’t feel the need to throw it with a 20-run lead, but I really thought he’d be throwing it at least a little more often than once per 2 IP. Any explanations?
Not really
At least not from alcohol. I’m on codeine for a bad cold that I’ve had for a week… makes me feel a little drunk.
Misread that as "cocaine" the first time.
That would have been an interesting admission.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
NFL Draft
Why was it that every single player that was present for the draft on the phone when their name got called?
They're typically talking to either the team that's drafting them
Something they’re already on the phone with friends and family, but I think it’s most the first reason.
But really... what's the point.
Does the call go something like…
“Hi there… just wanted to let you know we’re going to draft you. We know we’ll be talking to you soon enough, but we figure, why not right now in front of all the cameras. Plus, this gives you a reason to make the Commissioner wait for you at the podium because this will be the last time you’ll be able to do something like that.”
Also, what’s up with some of the guys using a cell phone while others were using the land line sitting on the table?
draft. is. so. boring.
They took like 7 minutes to make the first pick, the Rams have had half a YEAR to decide who they want to take.
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
Rams probably made the pick in 30 seconds
ESPN demanded the rest of the time.
Failure is just success rounded down.
McCutchen in the video
Talked about how he was reading the bible about trials and tribulations the night before. Standard reading for a starting pitcher that has to face the brewers lineup the next day?









































