Brewers 17, Pirates 3
by BrewHaHeather on Apr 26, 2010 10:54 PM CDT
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WP: Yovani Gallardo (2-2)
LP: Zach Duke (2-2)
MVP: Yovani Gallardo (+.217)
LVP: Alcides Escobar (-.049)
HR: Alcides Escobar (!), Casey McGehee (5)
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Ok, this is starting to get ridiculous. But in a good way, sort of.
The Brewer bats sure do like facing Zach Duke: they chased the Pirate ace after only four innings. Yovani Gallardo got the scoring started with a two-RBI double, aided by terrible attempt at blocking home plate by Ryan Doumit, which allowed Gregg Zaun to score. The Brewers tacked on five more runs in the next inning with two RBIs from Zaun and one each for Alcides Escobar, Gallardo, and Rickie Weeks. After a Corey Hart sac fly in the fourth, the bats got quiet again, but woke up again in the eighth when they scored nine more runs including Escobar's first home run of the year and a grand slam by Casey McGehee. That inning also featured two more RBIs from Zaun, bringing his total for the day up to five, and Prince Fielder. Every starter collected a hit today, with five players (Gomez, Fielder, Zaun, Escobar, and Gallardo) collecting multiple hits
Gallardo was his usual erratic but effective self. Unlike his last game against the Pirates, Yo was able to get through 6 inninngs today, limiting them to two unearned runs. He also struck out four and walked three. Manny Parra and Carlos Villanueva each pitched a scoreless inning, with new relief pitcher Jeff Suppan holding a fifteen run lead in the ninth, allowing one run.
The Brewers have now outscored the Pirates 53-4 in four games this season.
Join us again tomorrow for game two of the series! Hopefully we saved some offense for Randy Wolf.
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What the...
I get back to my dorm, decide to quick check what the score of the game was, and see this? I really don’t even know what to say.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
Also, I don't know if it was intentional, but I like the exclamation point for Escobar in the HR section.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
by Noah Jarosh on Apr 26, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
i think that's how they should be measured all season
if he hits 3, it’ll be !!!
by Capt Science on Apr 26, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this idea very much.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
by Noah Jarosh on Apr 26, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
scoreless ninth?
I see a box score with supppan giving up 1 run. I’ll forgive that given you had to stay up an extra half hour and rewrite the game summary for the 8th inning. Why ca’t we play Pittsburgh everyday? I believe that’s 22 straight at home?
by ecocd on Apr 26, 2010 11:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
every starter*
soup allowed a run in the 9th i thought?
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
by sowingwildoats on Apr 26, 2010 11:04 PM CDT reply actions
OKAY MOM
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
by sowingwildoats on Apr 26, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Two questions...
…from a guy who doesn’t know much:
1. How big of a sample size do we need before I can start to believe that Casey McGehee wasn’t a fluke?
2. As electric as Gallardo can be, will his lack of control prevent him from becoming the ace we all want him to be?
Steve
http://nohuddleoffense.blogspot.com
I think it's more of a question of how long it will be.
My guess is that whenever he can learn to catch the corner with his curveball, he’ll be a true ace. It’s too bad Ben Sheets isn’t still with the club, maybe he could have taught him something. I definitely see Sheets as Gallardo’s cieling.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
When Sheets was healthy and in his prime there were not many better.
I would put a healthy Sheets up against anyone in the Bigs today except maybe Halladay or 2008 CC.
I don’t see Gallardo ever being as good as Sheets was mainly because Sheets had such phenomenal control with his pitches. What did sheets have something like an 8 to 1 strikeout to walk ratio in 04?
Sheets had enough velocity to get away with mistake pitches
Gallardo does not.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I dont' think Gallardo has a problem with control
I think he’s afraid to attack hitters. He’ll go up 0-2, and then throw 3 curveballs in the dirt, trying to get the batter to chase. Once he can develop a curveball that hitters have to swing at, he’ll be pitching more strikes, and he’ll also be able to go deeper into games.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
I just don't see Gallardo ever being as good as Sheets was.
Sheets had that curve ball your talking about by the time he was Gallardo’s present age.
That said he could become far better than Sheets if he could stay healthy…
I really wonder what a healthy Sheets would have ended up looking like. He coulda become one of the true elite pitchers in the game. Not just someone whose a phenom but never healthy… oh well.
Sheets had worse stats at Yovani's age
I’m not sure Gallardo has Sheets’ ceiling though, the latter was pretty ridiculous in 2004.
Sheets’ 2002 (age 24 season, Gallardo’s 2010): 216.2 IP, 4.15 ERA, 3.76 FIP, 7.06 K/9, 2.91 BB/9
Sheets didn’t have his absurd control yet either, and Gallardo has comparable FIP/better ERA/better K numbers through his first few seasons (he started younger than Sheets)
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
They were throwing about the same number of pitches too
Sheets’ 2002: 16.2 pitches/inning
Gallardo’s career: 16.8 pitches/inning
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Gallardo = Kazmir?
I have been a big Scott Kazmir fan since the 2002 draft. And in watching and following his career, he has always had a problem with high pitch counts early in games and not being able to put hitters away. The Rays even worked with him extensively to not always go to 3-2 counts and rely on his defense and simply blow away hitters. But he could never really figure it out. He is still having the same issues with the Angels right now.
I see some similarities there between Gallardo and Kazmir. Right down to the injury concerns. There is a ton of snap in that forearm of Gallardo’s and it wouldnt surprise me at all to see some elbow stiffness start to occur in him, throw in the high pitch counts and the concern becomes greater.
What injury concerns?
Gallardo is supposed to be the most durable pitcher on the team, I don’t see any problems in his delivery.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Mechanical
A lot like Sheets, he has tremendous whip in his arm action. I mean it gives him a very strong arm, but when I watch him pitch it just makes me think there could be some elbow issues down the road.
Give me a break
I have never read of anyone criticizing Gallardo’s delivery, and as a matter of fact, most of the comments I have read have been positive.
Anyone saying Gallardo is an injury risk is probably making stuff up, like most “mechanics analysts” out there. Pitching is an unnatural motion and every pitcher is an injury risk. Sure he could not whip his arm, but he’d throw 30 miles per hour.
The only, and I mean only, reliable indicator of future injury in pitchers is past injuries. Gallardo hasn’t had any. I see no logical way to compare Gallardo to Sheets in terms of injury risk.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Thats because youre a casual observer
I am not saying its a certainty, but as I have stated on here a few times before, I have been around the game, and have been a part of it for some time now.
He doesnt have bad mechanics. I never said he does. Sheets’ main problem was with condidtioning if anything. Gallardo just has a certain whip in his arm, that I foresee as a potential injury risk. Others may disagree, only time will tell.
To state that “mechanical analysts” make stuff up is a pretty ignorant and broad ranging statement.
Set aside casual observation then
How about this article which notes that Gallardo’s mechanics were found to have the least stress on his shoulder/elbow and thus the least injury risk of all the Brewers pitchers tested.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I can't speak for everyone
But I remember the first time you misled everyone here about your baseball experience.
Failure is just success rounded down.
I see the similarities you mentioned in the first paragraph.
When he started to do a little better last year, he said it was because he learned to pitch to contact, and that’s exactly what I hope Yo can do.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
His only major injury was freakish
Do you honestly expect him to get upended covering first frequently?
Pirate's Pythagorean record: 4-15
We need a picture of Braun & Fielder flipping off Pythagoras.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It's always a good thing when Jason Kendall isn't around
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Z-Game'd
My guess is that Jason Kendall just took a couple extra weeks to leave the clubhouse.
“OK, seriously, Jason, you’ve stuck around long enough. Take off the Zaun jersey, and get your ass to KC.”
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on Apr 26, 2010 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Kendall
Anyone notice that reality is setting in for him? He has 1 hit in his last 10 ABs and his BA is below .300 now.
I really hope I can find a clip of Zaun being unable to throw back to Yovani tomorrow
I just can’t visualize a catcher missing the toss back to the mound that many times.
by MillerParkSouth on Apr 26, 2010 11:38 PM CDT reply actions
The Pirates' pitchers kept dropping the ball.
On a related note, I really want a #37 Mahoney Brewers jersey.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
haha, Ueck suggesting it's all part of Zaun's master plan!
Seriously though, somebody get Zaun a Playboy and a Fredericks of Hollywood catalog.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
That would be a seriously gritty plan.
Miss the pitcher three times, beer league softball style, just to lull opposing baserunners into a false sense of security, then torch them with the ZZZaun Arm.
by Cheeseandcorn on Apr 27, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
That is hilarious
I just started laughing out loud in a public space
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
Bad fan experience
I’m actually pretty disappointed in our fan base and ballpark staff tonight. Around the 7th inning some jack ass on the terrace level threw an almost full beer down two levels to the loge. It hit our season ticket neighbors splashing all over them and the family in front of us. We stood up and were obviously upset about it. The ushers were both very slow to respond and not very good at handling an event like that. Being told “Let it go” doesn’t really cut it. Even though the people next to us could have had a better reaction, the usher staff completely jumped the shark and approached the situation with a hostile attitude and really came off like jack asses. Instead of treating them like the victim they were, they treated them hostile and very unprofessional.
I’m both disappointed in the fan base for acting like a douche bag as well as with the complete lack of tact the ushers had.
I'm sorry to hear about that.
But let’s not lump the entire fan base in with the asshole who actually threw the beer. Also, were you able to see who actually threw the beer? Well they could have certainly handled it better, it would have been difficult for the staff to do anything unless they knew who threw it.
"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"
by Noah Jarosh on Apr 26, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
They got the person
And their little group of friends (Brewer fans) were flipping us off after their friend got booted.
What level are your seats on?
I saw a group of people on the field level gathered around an usher, looking up towards one of the decks above them, but I wasn’t sure what was going on.
I was very disappointed in our fans on Friday at the Cubs game. It used to be the Cubs fans who would start crap, but now it’s almost solely Brewer fans causing trouble. I only witnessed 1 obnoxious Cubs fan who deserved to be put in his place, and he was only about 16 years old. Everyone else was fine. But the Brewers fans treated them like absolute crap. For no reason at all, they would just start jawing with random Cubs fans who were minding their own business. And it didn’t matter if they were with an old lady or their kid.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
I went on Saturday and saw the same thing.
We had a group of 21 year olds sitting next to us who were grossly overserved and mortifyingly belligerent, screaming “F*** you domay!” as loud as they could WHEN THE GUY WASN’T EVEN IN THE GAME. Not a proud moment for Brewer fans.
by Rubie Q on Apr 27, 2010 6:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I miss the days when 25K was a huge crowd at Miller park
I know that is selfish but at least then you got Baseball fans. Now Miller Park is the place to be seen and to binge drink. I will not go unless I have Club seats I know that sounds snobbish but the behavior is better on that level and they police any bad behavior on that level better. Sure all the 21 girls in their tight shirts and short skirts are fun to look at but if they would only leave their super drunk frat boy boyfriends in the parking lot. ;)
God I have turned into Grandpa Simpson ;)
kumbaya my lord kumbaya :)
Success brings new (often obnoxious) fans
I’ll take the trade-off to see the Brewers get in the playoffs again though =)
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
“I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s it…seems weird and scary to me.”
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
by Yar Nivek on Apr 27, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same here.
I’ll sit in the Loge occasionally, but the club seats aren’t that much more money, and you get a far more tolerable experience.
Should profile at the door: Already drunk? Okay, your tickets are in the 400 level. Enjoy.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I'm a fan of the field outfield box sections myself.
Although they did jack up the prices this year.
The price difference
Is pretty large once you take into account ticket deals for full season ticket holder in Loge compared to Club. It’s over $10 a game, that adds up quickly. Another $1600 dollars for our two seats put it out of reach.
Good point. I didn't realize you were a season ticket holder.
Paying a little more for tickets to one game isn’t that bad, but when it’s multiplied by 81, then it becomes really expensive.
I love when people use the word overserved at Brewers games.
They served themselves in the parking lot.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Well, they got about five beers each during the game ...
So I’m sure they warmed up during the tailgate, but I think “overserved” applies here, too.
I really hope Suppan knows where the team psychologist is.
The fans were relentless with him tonight. It was pretty funny, some of the things that were being said.
“No, guys, it’s SSOOOOUUUPPP!!”
“Let McGehee Pitch!”
“Try Pitching Left Handed!”
“12 More Runs and it’s a save situation!”
But, hey, he sure did cover first base well on that ball hit to Prince. :)
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Shouldn't Gallardo's WPA be +.377?
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
The rule is typically no.
Otherwise, the starting pitcher would be the LVP based on their batting line probably 2-3 times a week.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Gallardo had a higher WPA as a batter last night than as a pitcher.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Is it just me or is Zaun
looking a bit like The Dude these days
by nullacct on Apr 27, 2010 7:50 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
splitting. image.
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
Lately every Brewers Pirates Game ends like a documentary on the fall of Rome
the Brewers play the role of the Visigoths and just rampage through the Pirates capital raping and pillaging.
kumbaya my lord kumbaya :)
you'd think they could pick a better city to sack than Pittsburgh
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
by theBrouhaha on Apr 27, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
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