What is Prince Fielder worth?
Hey everybody, I've just posted an in-depth look at Prince Fielder's value in the wake of Ryan Howard's deal, specifically comparing him to other highly paid, slugging first basemen. Check it out at Win one for Uecker. What do you think, am I off base or is that a fair estimate of Prince's value? Do you think that's an appropriate use of the Brewer's somewhat limited resources? What about the length of the proposed deal?
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Miscellaneous point:
Comparing Prince’s ‘06-’09 to other elite 1B is a little unfair because Fielder is so much younger than them (excluding Cabrera). Fielder’s weakest season in that range is his 1.5 WAR 2006 (age 22), but neither Howard nor Teixeira were even in the majors at that age.
If you compare Fielder to Teixeira by age you get 12.4 WAR for Teixeira (ages 23-25) versus 14.7 WAR for Fielder (ages 23-25)
Cabrera was worth 15.6 WAR over his age 23-25 seasons, but two of those were playing full-time third base. If all three of those seasons had been spent at 1B with the same defense (-30 runs in positional adjustments) it would have been only 12.6 WAR, though obviously that’s unfair to Cabrera since his defense at 1B is better than it was at 3B.
Ryan Howard hadn’t played a full season in the majors at Prince’s current age, so it’s difficult to compare them.
Cabrera is probably better than Fielder, but if we assume Prince develops similar to Howard/Teixeira, he’s clearly the most valuable of the latter three (and any substantial contract would cover the “prime” years that Teixeira and Howard are now leaving)
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by SRB on Apr 28, 2010 12:26 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Teixeira
He is rather unlike the other three in that his body type should allow him to play longer as opposed to the other three, whose body types will likely lead to a substantial drop-off in ability around the 32-34 age range. Teixeira at 28 probably had as many remaining good years as Prince at 25. Also, Teixiera’s ability to play first base longer also should add to his value. (When I say value I do not mean WAR, but just what teams are willing to pay for him).
I don’t think body type has any significant effect on these type of hitters at least until their late 30s, but just for the sake of argument, I would wager that Howard is in visibly better shape than Teixeira.
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For the sake of argument sucked me in.
Howard may be in better shape, its just the 255 lbs that he has to carry around every day is going to take its toll sooner than someone like teixeira. Teixeira’s body type is very similar to Carlos Delgado who played very well into his late 30s. Prince has the David Ortiz/Mo Vaughn body type which has shown not to age very well whatsoever. There aren’t many players like Howard. Frank Thomas would be similar, but Howard has nowhere near the batting eye Thomas had, which can prolong careers. Also, Howard is going to be playing in the NL where he cannot DH like Thomas did. Howard is actually very similar to Frank Howard in body type, who also was not able to be a productive player past his mid-30s. Widespread success past the mid-30s was probably a combined mirage of the steroid era and de-emphasis on defense.
I think Fielder has less and less value as Casey McGehee keeps showing he could be molded into a cleanup hitter. Fielder is a better……fielder, but Casey is quicker and seems to have better contact than Prince at times. I could see us letting prince go, and signing a 1st baseman, or using Gamel in that spot. Casey would move to 4th in the lineup with Gamel or Edmonds 5th.
While I agree that Casey is certainly proving his value, and could potentially be a 4th place hitter, I would like to hold off judgment until the end of this season. Right now, I love Casey McGehee – He is hitting a lot like Ryan Braun, which is better than hitting a lot like Prince Fielder. caveat emptor, however – McGehee’s major league numbers are far and away better in every respect than his minor league numbers, including his BABIP being something like 30 points higher than his career minor league line. Hopefully he is a true late bloomer who has just put it together, but I’m afraid of getting Bill Hall’d if I place too much faith in him.
by Win One for Uecker on Apr 28, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Great points
I agree with the points both of you are making – Prince is set to enter the prime of his career, and will likely be very dangerous at least until he his 30. But he is also of the same body type of players who have declined sharply beginning in their young-thirties – David Ortiz (Possibly because of cessation of PED use,) Mo Vaughn, and of course, his dad. Ryan Howard, while certainly more like the Big Hurt physically, but is trending towards being completely useless against lefties and doesn’t have the contact skill or the plate discipline Frank Thomas did.
All in all, I think that risk vs. reward, Fielder is worth 5 years and $107 million, as I previously stated.
by Win One for Uecker on Apr 28, 2010 8:27 AM CDT reply actions
One of my favorite subjects
I think your number is very close to what he is worth, but I dont think its in the best interest of the team, nor can they afford to pay it. Not only that, but Boras is never going to allow Fielder to sign a deal with the Brewers, simply because he isnt going to let him sign an extension before his FA time comes up.
Pecota has Fielder pegged at 21.5 WAR for his age 28 through 32 seasons, which adds up to about $96.2 million. Figure he will get a premium on that contract of at least 10%, and youre looking at 5 years $106 million. The “market” is actually higher than that, and there is probably going to be a bidding war between at least 2 teams for Fielders services, so that market will increase.
As many know, I am in favor of moving Fielder to replenish the farm system either at this years deadline or during the offseason of 2010. At season’s beginning, I had figured Fielder’s surplus value at approximately $27 million. This of course figures 2 full years of projected WAR. A premium will probably be paid by any team that wants to acquire him (if in July this year) so that amount maybe doesnt change very much.
Using Victor Wangs prospect values, and given that number above of $27mm, and considering what the Brewer farm system needs (pitching), the Brewers could get 1 pitcher ranked 75-100 in Baseball America’s Top 100 Prospects list, two additional pitchers given B grades by John Sickels, and then a B graded hitter as well. This may not sound all that spectacular, but when the Rangers traded Teixeira to the Braves guys like Neftali Feliz were ranked in that lower half of BA’s top 100 and had B type grads from Sickels. This type of player is usually a guy rising fast in an organizations farm system who is currently in low or high A ball.
Would Brewer fans be happy with a package of pitchers who are 20 years old and no one has ever heard of for Fielder? Probably not, but Ranger fans probably werent happy a few years ago, but they love Feliz now, as well as the other “no names” acquired in that deal. And the beauty of it is that they are team controlled for 6 years and even if they are average mlb players (2 WAR lets say) their collective output beats that of what Fielder would have given, once they mature. Get the right guys, and that output increases.
by backtocali on Apr 28, 2010 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m not convinced one way or another what we should do. For the sake of public relations, an offer needs to be made. But knowing that Scott Boras will not sign an extension prior to Prince reaching free agency, do we go for broke next year and try to acquire a true ace this offseason or trade Prince early and replenish the farm system to the tune of players like Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, and Justin Smoak (the haul the Ranger’s got for Tex)? If we can get a young, nearly major league ready top of the rotation starter along with promising but unproven talents, I think it would be wise to pull the trigger.
Unfortunately, I don’t think we can trade Prince this year (from a PR perspective.) Will any team give up what we need for a half season of Prince next year?
And what happens if Fielder has another down year?
by Win One for Uecker on Apr 28, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Just an FYI
Justin Smoak was a draft pick of the Rangers, not acquired from the Braves.
I dont think they pull the trigger this year because DM and MA are all about PR and selling tickets. Although for this year a lot of those tickets have already been sold, so they wouldnt lose out on much. I dont think the 2010 Brewers are a playoff team, and if you work in the FO you cant say or even believe that. But when it comes to dealing Fielder and reality check has to be made at some point.
As in another post, the Jays did get 3 quality prospects for Roy Halladay this past offseason with only one year of service remaining.
Brewers arent going to get an mlb ready starting pitcher for Fielder. I mean they could, but it would be a straight up trade with maybe a 2nd guy involved. The better move is to do like the Rangers did and get lower level prospects with high upside, replenish the Farm System and build long term for 2012 and beyond.
Thanks for the correction.
In your estimation, then, you would plan on trading Prince at the deadline next year if we aren’t in the race for a larger quantity of high quality, young (i.e single or double A) players?
How do we approach this off season, then? The free agent pitcher class will likely be better this year than for the next couple of years, and we have something like $50 million dollars coming off the books ($25 million in dead weight alone, Riske, Suppan, Hall.)
We will have holes in the starting rotation (Losing Davis, Suppan, and Bush) the bench (Gerut, Counsell, Edmonds are all free agents after this season) Catcher (We have an option on Zaun and probably better options on the minors) and unless Hoffman seriously turns it around, closer.
It will be a busy offseason for DM and co!
by Win One for Uecker on Apr 29, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Not a horribly popular opinion
But I think they should trade him before this years deadline, and at the very worst during the offseason. I dont think this collection of Brewers is a playoff caliber team, and as time goes by, Fielder’s value in a trade decreases. Ive got them as an 83 win team this year with Fielder. And that number probably doesnt increase by much for next year without a huge bump in the quality of the starting rotation.
I am a big proponent of maximizing revenues, building from within, and spending as little as possible on free agents (at least for the Milwaukee Brewers). So in this scenario of trading Fielder for prospects, the word “rebuild” seems best appropriate. But 2 years worth of 78 wins vs 83 wins isnt that huge of a loss, imo. And if by 2012 you have 2 new, young starting pitchers on the staff, in addition to other pieces, for Fielder, its a better solution long term for the franchise.

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