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Yes, there is something wrong with Hoffman's changeup.

After last night's 20-pitch blown save, Tom Hardricourt finally asked the question on everyone's minds: Where is Trevor Hoffman's famous changeup? Entering the game to ringing bells and a one-run lead on the Pirates, the future Hall of Famer threw 13 pitches (fastballs and sliders) before throwing one changeup. The result: five runs, "including a leadoff homer to No. 9 hitter Ronny Cedeno and a grand slam to Ryan Doumit."

I'm confident that everyone reading this can remember "Trevor Time" of 2009. Hoffman would calmly throw seemingly-hittable pitches, but batters were completely overmatched against him. His most devastating pitch? A 75 mph changeup that made hitters look silly. It was almost magical to watch. Brewers fans and opposing teams knew that when they heard the "Hell's Bells," the game was over and a one-inning demonstration of pitching mastery was about to begin.

So... what happened?

To help answer that question, I used PITCHf/x data at texasleaguers.com to compare Hoffman's pitches from the month of June 2009 to April 2010.

Yes, there is something wrong with Trevor Hoffman's changeup.

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If you want to see the comparison for yourself, here is the data from June 2009. Here's the data from April 2010. There's room for analysis of all of his pitches, but I chose to concentrate on the changeup.

In June 09, Hoffman threw 128 pitches in 9 games: 4-seam fastballs (42.2%), changeups (35.9%), sliders (12.50%), and 12 cutters and curves for the rest.

In April 10, Hoffman threw 147 pitches in 8 games: 4-seam fastballs (68.0%), changeups (19.0%), cut fastballs (11.6%), and 2 curveballs.

  • (Another analysis could ask where his slider of June 09 went, but I think that Pf/x might be interpreting his 2010 slider as a cut fastball. If not, it seems he has substituted the cut fastball for his slider, and that might have something to do with his lack of success this year as well.)

From the comparison of the two months, his pitch selection this year is very different. Hoffman is throwing half as many changeups as last year. Why would he do that?

From the Pf/x data, it looks like he is having trouble controlling the changeup. He can't locate it consistently, it is drifting out to the middle of the plate, and he's not throwing the pitch with the robotic consistency of 2009.

 

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The last set of graphs, velocity v. spin angle, is particularly interesting. If you look through Hoffman's career Pf/x data, his consistent mechanics are obvious. He's always been like a pitching robot. This year, he does not seem to have a handle on throwing his changeup. I didn't post his release point, but that appears to be the same. However, the spin angle on his change is all over the place. Hoffman's game is deception, and to accomplish that he must be in complete control of his pitches. He's not in control of the changeup this year, and that's a big reason why he is not throwing it as often.

 

<Edit: per gene dietzgen's suggestion, the following 3 paragraphs are added from one of my comments below>

What made Hoffman great is that he had equal command of the fastball and changeup, and his delivery was so consistent that those pitches looked identical to the batter. In 2009, the difference in spin angle between the fastball and changeup was about 20 degrees, just insanely consistent throughout the entire season. No batter is going to pick that up, no matter how much tape they watch.

As a batter, if you are seeing the same thing on consecutive pitches, but the speed and break is radically different, you can’t hit. You stop trusting your eyes, because they aren’t giving you information that makes any sense. The cognitive dissonance slows the batter’s reaction time and puts Hoffman in control of the at bat.

This year, so far, that gameplan isn’t working because batters know that when they see a fastball, it’s probably a fastball.

 

 

You might be thinking, "If some guy in his living room can find this using data on a free website, why can't Rick Peterson figure this out?" After all, Peterson is supposed to be an expert in using empirical data to analyze his pitchers. Why is Hardricourt getting quotes like this?

[Hoffman] was very evasive when asked why he isn't throwing his changeup much anymore.

Macha seemed just as puzzled as the reporters as to why Hoffman hasn't been throwing his bread-and-butter changeup.

"I asked (pitching coach) Rick (Peterson)," said Macha. "He said he hasn't really talked to Trevor about pitch selection."

I don't buy this act. Macha and Peterson know exactly what is in this post, and probably a lot more. They also know that Hoffman is not locating is 4-seam fastball on the corner, either. His control is gone, and I don't think any of them know why. They can't say that to the ticket-buying fans, so they play dumb for the press.

I feel bad for Hoffman. The man in struggling right now, and needs a little time to work out his mechanics. Maybe he's hurt. Until he gets it worked out, however, he shouldn't be the closer. Macha and Peterson should know better than to keep running him out there.

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I usually don't read any of the Pf/x stuff

This was very good and very interesting

"This one means 'Kill Kirk!!!!'... And also, 'hallelujah'... Depending on the context."

by trippingandy on Apr 28, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Ooohhh. Have we found a new dixieflatline to explain pitch f/x stuff to us?

That would be exciting! Good post. I wish we could get some sort of decent explanation from management about all of this, though.

"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"

by Noah Jarosh on Apr 28, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Last login on his profile was yesterday

He’s still around, even if he can’t contribute his knowledge anymore.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Apr 28, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

He wrote his own farewell. Dixie, if you’re reading, we miss you!

"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"

by Noah Jarosh on Apr 28, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs fan here, and I come in peace...

First, let me say that whenever Hoffman comes in against the Cubs, he obviously isn’t a guy that I get worried about,. Actually, I feel like we have an above average chance. I was actually coming over here wondering what the chances are that he loses his closer job, and if he does, who will get it? My guess is one of Hawkins, Coffey, or Villanueva. What are your thoughts?

by Lweb23 on Apr 28, 2010 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Apparently,

if there’s a save opportunity tomorrow, he might get the day off. I think they will still keep throwing him out there until he gets his 600th save.

Your guess is as good as mine as to who will get the closers job if Hoffman loses it. Coffey, Parra, and Villanueva have been good. Hawkins had a couple rough outings but has been pretty the rest of the time. I just want them to bring up Zach Braddock, or maybe John Axford, to see what they can do.

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on Apr 28, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I assume getting the day off has more to do with throwing almost 50 pitches the last two days

Than it does with any change in his role on the team.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Apr 28, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was my thinking as well.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Apr 28, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just looking at his fangraphs data after reading this, and there is a serious command problem with his fastball as well. This is leading to a strikeout rate HALF of his career norm thus far, a 30 point increase in BABIP, a ground ball rate a third of his career number, and a HUGE increase in the number of home runs allowed. He has historically (even outside of Petco) been able to limit homeruns (career 6.5% HR/FB ratio compared to 12% league average) but this year it has jumped to 20.8%! Interestingly, he is currently walking hitters at a rate UNDER is career norm (and the rate at which he issued free passes last year.) He is throwing strikes. He is throwing with the same velocity. He is just throwing fastballs in the wrong counts and missing his spots. although the increased HR/FB ratio and BABIP numbers could be attributed to bad luck, I think it has more to do with the fact that hitters are sitting on his fastball. Hitters are swinging at his pitches out of the zone 16.1% of the time compared to his 25% norm, and making contact with 80% of their swings compared to his 50% career norm.

by Win One for Uecker on Apr 28, 2010 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

When you don't have control of your pitches,

you can’t control the at-bat. That’s Hoffman’s game. If you look at the Pf/x data for his 4-seam fastball, comparing the same months as I did above, you can see that he is not hitting his spots with the fastball either.

As you point out, his velocities are about the same. It’s more a throwing mechanics issue, which might mean an injury.

by RobertArthur on Apr 28, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’ve always heard that when a pitcher loses a little something, the control goes before the velocity does. This doesn’t make me feel good.

by Acheron on Apr 28, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: velocity

His average velocity on his fastball is roughly the same, but doesn’t it look like his velocity range is dipping further and further into the low-80s over the last few years? The slower his fastball gets, the less effective his change-up, I would imagine.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Apr 28, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Note Hoffman's velocity is down around 2.2 MPH on average from 2007.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Apr 28, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

From 2007.

He was plenty effective last year with the exact same velocity. That’s what’s bizarre.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Apr 28, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

But not nearly so in 2008

Also where his HR/FB was 13.8%, and his HR/9 was a career-second high at 1.59. Last season those numbers fell to an absurd 3.1% and .33. Notably, as well, Hoffman’s LD/GB/FB percentages were as follows for 2008 and 2010:

13.8%/39%/47.2%
14.3%/39.3%/46.4%
17.6%/11.8%/70.6%

Thus far in 2010, Hoffman’s HR/FB and HR/9 are 20.8% and 5.63. Those numbers are so inflated its hard to think they won’t correct. Obviously the reluctance to use the change up is hurting him, and his fastball has become very hittable. RobertArthur noted in the other post the apparent issues with the change up this season. I’d also point out that after Hoffman’s shift to using his fastball more, and an entire off-season of tape for teams to view, hitters may just be sitting on his fastball more often. His change up command has been bad, so they rarely have to worry about that pitch dropping in unexpectedly for a strike.

I’d expect that Hoffman’s numbers this year will end up being something worse than 2008.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Apr 28, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Apr 28, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Apr 28, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very impressive

I wanted to do something similar but I was a little short on time. Once I get a chance to read it thoroughly I’ll see if I can add anything.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Apr 28, 2010 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

It was on display in today's game

He threw a bunch of changeups and they were poorly located and he got hit just enough to blow the save. Great post.

I don’t buy this act. Macha and Peterson know exactly what is in this post, and probably a lot more.

Thanks for stating the obvious, because I missed it this time. D’oh. I am S-M-R-T smart.

by ecocd on Apr 28, 2010 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I was at today's (the 28th) game and something looked wrong.

Even my dad, who’s a casual baseball fan at best, said to me, “What’s wrong with Hoffman? It looks like his pitches aren’t even making it to the catcher.” I noticed on a few, he bounced them well before the batter’s box.

by MrPilkington on Apr 28, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Macha

Maybe Macha doesn’t believe that he needs to tell the fans/press every little detail of his team.

All the analysis stuff is fine, but I don’t get why people complain when coaches don’t come out publicly and divulge everything that may be going on behind closed doors.

Obviously, I have no idea what they have discussed with Hoffman or how they perceive the problem, but I am 100% sure that I really don’t need him have that conversation in public.

by badgermaniac on Apr 28, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions  

If people don't complain...

this place would get pretty quiet.

by sjlee on Apr 29, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you sure they don't need to have the conversation in public?

Macha likes to talk about how Mat Gamel isn’t good defensively, how Parra hasn’t (or more recently has) pitched well, among other things. I think once you open your big Keebler mouth, you better expect to keep talking. If you don’t want to, shut it.

He’s got no problems driving a bus over a young player, but “you have to give the veteran guy the benefit of the doubt”, right?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Apr 29, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget Gamel’s bad batting practices.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Apr 30, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doh I knew I was forgetting something.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Apr 30, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not defending Macha for throwing Gamel under the bus,

but there’s a difference between those situations and this situation. You generally don’t want to bring attention to something specific like that that could give the opponent an advantage. If a team hasn’t noticed a mechanical flaw, or a pitch selection trend, there’s no sense in letting them in on the secret.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 2, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here are the results from yesterday's game, by way of comparison




Only three changeups thrown, but they were in the 180-24 spin angle range that was so effective before. The locations seem somewhat erratic, but he was effective nonetheless. Look at the called strike graph:

Two of them were on fastballs, and one was the changeup that ended up up and in (probably a mistake pitch that caught the batter off guard).

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 2, 2010 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh do they not show up?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 2, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

They all say no data found

At first, I thought it was a joke, but then i saw your sentence at the bottom.

So, I take it, this data is out on TexasLeaguers, now?

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 2, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I have to save them to my PC then re-upload them to photo bucket or something. I'll do that later. Sigh.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 2, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

TexasLeaguers says,
Right click and save images to use them elsewhere. The URLs will not work outside of this page.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 2, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, you need to host the images yourself in order to post them

There are a ton of free image hosting services. I use tinypic.com.

by RobertArthur on May 2, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can see them now?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 2, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, Here are the graphs





"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 2, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would just like to point out

This post and Nullacts photoshop fanpost are both tied in regards to rec’s. Impressive.

"Probably won't make a decision until after the decision starts"

by Noah Jarosh on May 2, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

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