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Friday's Frosty Mug

Some things to read while claiming your throne.

The off day gave several of us a chance to once again consider the plight of Trevor Hoffman. Disciples of Uecker makes the case that Hoffman is done, and Fatter than Joey takes a shot at the notion that Hoffman is a slow starter. Meanwhile, Beyond the Box Score notes that Hoffman is second all time among relievers in WAR per 200 innings pitched.

Here's something you might not have known (or cared to know): Ken Macha likes roller coasters. Adam McCalvy uses that fact as a jumping off point for this story on the Brewers' up and down season.

As you might have heard, the Brewers open a three game series with the defending NL champion Phillies tonight. Jack Moore answered some questions over at Crashburn Alley for their series preview. We'll have ours later today.

Also, Baseball Brew has a list of former Brewers working for the Phillies, including Davey Lopes.

As part of their 40th anniversary celebration, the Brewers will look back this weekend to the 1970's. Jordan Schelling of MLB.com has a primer on the 1970's Brewers, and Miller Park Drunk has the somewhat raunchier companion piece.

In the minors:

  • View From Bernie's Chalet notes two Brewer questions from a recent Keith Law chat. Law is pretty high on Wily Peralta and Zach Braddock.
  • Baseball America has a story on the issues facing Angel Salome, but I'm not a subscriber so that's all I know about it.
  • The Brewer affiliates went 2-2 last night, but starting pitching was the story of the day as four starters combined to allow six earned runs in 24 innings of work (a combined 2.25 ERA), led by Chris Capuano's eight shutout innings in Nashville. For more, check out today's Minor League Notes.
  • Shortstop Josh Prince homered last night for Brevard County. I didn't realize it until Battlekow mentioned it, but the long ball was only the Manatees' second in their first 33 games.
  • And, for more on the Timber Rattlers, you can follow Appleton Post-Crescent beat reporter Brett Christopherson on Twitter.

On power rankings: Yahoo has the Brewers holding steady at #24.

I know we've got some Rickie Weeks fans here: Here's a chance for you to get a cool piece of memorabilia. The Brewers are selling single game tickets to the Gehl Club for the Friday, May 28 Brewers-Mets game as part of their "Rickie Goes to Bat for Diabetes" program, and each ticket comes with a Rickie Weeks autographed bat.

It looks like public opinion is all over the place on Davey Nelson as a radio broadcaster, but at least we'll have more time to debate it: Nelson will remain on WTMJ broadcasts until Bob Uecker is ready to return sometime in July.

Around baseball:

Rangers: Are expected to waive first baseman Ryan Garko.
Rockies: Outfielder Eric Young Jr. is expected to be placed on the DL with a stress fracture in his tibia.
Royals: Fired manager Trey Hillman and replaced him with Ned Yost (FanShot).

Yes, you're reading that right: Ned Yost is managing once again, and has the rest of the season to drink all the coffee make a good impression on the Royals organization. Joe Posnanski has a look back at the expectations and realities of the Trey Hillman era.

All the hubbub over the managerial change has overshadowed another major Royals event this week: Jason Kendall was hit by a pitch on Wednesday, the 250th of his career. To put it in perspective, Plunk Everyone has an exhaustive list of players and pitchers who have not been responsible for 250 plunks. Kendall sat out of yesterday's game, taking just his second off day of 2010. With Yost as his new manager, he may not take another day the rest of the season.

Speaking of catchers, here's some strange news on another one: Rangers catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia is healthy and doing well in all other aspects of his game in AAA, but is having trouble throwing back to the pitcher.

Maybe it's just a catcher kind of day: Baseball Musings notes that Matt Treanor of the Rangers was ejected from last night's game without even turning around to talk to the umpire. That's a pretty quick hook.

Elsewhere in transaction notes, Frank Catalanotto was designated for assignment by the Mets earlier this week and will likely retire. If it hasn't happened already, I'd be surprised if the Brewers don't call to offer him a spot in AAA. Actually, at this point I'd be ok with them offering him Jim Edmonds' roster spot.

I'd love to see someone do this for Jeff Suppan or Manny Parra: Talking Chop has a great post looking at Kenshin Kawakami, attempting to estimate how many teams would have him in their rotation. Not surprisingly, the Brewers are one of the teams that could use him.

It snuck up on me, but all of a sudden there's a race atop the NL Central again. The Cardinals have led the division by as many as five games at one point, but were swept by the Astros this week. The Reds, meanwhile, are on a tear. As such, the two teams meet tonight with first place on the line. Despite getting swept by the Braves, the Brewers are still all alone in third place.

Yesterday's Cardinals-Astros game was briefly delayed when the "respect the game" alarm went off in the Cardinals dugout, leading to benches clearing over a confrontation between Carlos Lee and Chris Carpenter. Follow the link for video of what might be the least notable confrontation in baseball history.

Elsewhere in strange standings notes: Baseball Musings notes that two teams in the bottom five in payroll (San Diego and Texas) are leading their respective divisions.

It's still early, but barring something unforeseen I think we have a clear frontrunner for worst playing conditions of 2010. Heaven and Helton has pictures from yesterday's game in Colorado, which pretty clearly should not have been played to completion.

Today's Mug is about an hour later than it should have been because of this Nyjer Morgan photostop thread at Lookout Landing. If you need to blame someone, blame them.

If you're looking for something else to do while you're putting off work, try this Sporcle quiz on each franchise's last 40 home run hitter.

Or, if you've got some money burning a hole in your pocket, you could buy the Field of Dreams movie site.

On this day in 1983, the Brewers came from behind to beat the Red Sox 8-7 behind three home runs from Ben Oglivie.

Happy birthday today to:

Oh, and it's time once again to select an adjective.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to move.

Drink up.

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You'd really

give Edmond’s roster spot to Catalanotto? That’d pretty much infuriate me.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 14, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't feel like Edmonds is adding much at this point.

Combine that with the fact that Macha plays him in center even though he shouldn’t be there, and I’m ready for him to be gone.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 14, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

He fields better than Hart

Hits better than Gerut, and has an Easter Island statue for a head. What’s not to like?

by nullacct on May 14, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm confused

I thought Edmonds looked like Christopher Walken.

by sjlee on May 14, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

He looks like the Sleepy Hollow Headless Horseman.

Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog

by Fatter than Joey on May 14, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing I'll say for Edmonds

Dude looks like a 1950s era superhero.

by drezdn on May 14, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay

I can accept Cat as the lesser of two evils (maybe), but there’s plenty of people I’d put there before I’d waste time with Frankie C.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 14, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on Edmonds

But I wouldnt give his spot to Catalanatto. I would much rather see Jody Gerut get more consistent playing time.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I'd like to see Gerut

Serving hot dogs in the stands. What the hell do you people see in this guy?

by nullacct on May 14, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lifetime .762 OPS and 4.2 UZR/150 in the OF.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on May 14, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank You

Not only that, he is the most over qualified Brewer (including FO personnel) to be serving Hot dogs in the stands.

As a Stanford grad with a degree in History he might get a little underwhelmed by the position of “Hot Dog Chucker” and prone to lack of motivation.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gerut

Has a college degree? Does that mean the Brewers have half of the college degrees in the majors(IIRC, there are four, and Macha has one in civil engineering)?

by drezdn on May 14, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just wait 'til Cappy gets called up from AAA

He (Duke) and Gerut (Stanford) can have all sorts of erudite conversations that nobody else in the clubhouse will understand.

by Brew Angel on May 14, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if any other SBNation blog sees as much use of "erudite"

Because this isn’t the first time it’s shown up here.

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by Yar Nivek on May 14, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

8.6 career UZR/150 in CF

.351/.494/.845 line with 3.1 WAR last time he played for a good portion of the season.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on May 14, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vs.

A .903 OPS and eight gold gloves.

by nullacct on May 14, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Edmonds hasn’t had a full season matching his career OPS since 2005, while Gerut beat his career OPS in 2008.

Also, I’d say that Gerut was more likely to win a Gold Glove than Edmonds at this point in both of their careers.

by sjlee on May 14, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gerut's no rookie

He’s 32, at this point he should know how to produce in whatever role he’s given, whether it’s full-time in RF or off the bench. Flirting with the Mendoza line isn’t impressing. If he really does have that much perceived value, let’s trade him for a younger, cheaper player that can hit .200.

by nullacct on May 14, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or, let's play him

Misusing players isn’t reserved for rookies on the crew.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 14, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Every day in RF?

I’d be fine with that, as long as his bat wakes up.

by nullacct on May 14, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

4-5 days a week

Right & Center.

This stupid 3 headed outfield should be Hart, Gomez, and Gerut.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 14, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would go with the guy who

is 7 years younger putting up better numbers. Edmonds has a career UZR/150 of 1.9.(it only goes back to 2002 but really how relevant would anything before that be for a guy who is 39) Edmonds was never really a good outfielder and certainly not deserving of any Gold Gloves since 2002. He just got Sportcenter time for diving for balls that a good outfielder wouldn’t have to dive for. Well, that and running into wall.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on May 14, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take eight gold gloves

Over a dubious statistic that didn’t exist ten years ago and doesn’t take into account positioning, which is often management’s choice and not the fielder’s.

Yes, I’m old-fashioned, but

Edmonds was never really a good outfielder
is crazy talk.

by nullacct on May 14, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know who votes on Gold Gloves, right?

You know that Rafael Palmeiro won one at first base in a year where he was primarily a DH?

Edmonds in his prime might have been a great center fielder, but we’re a long, long way past those days.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 14, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was saying that Gold Glove awards should carry alot of weight

as much as he was saying that to say Edmonds “was never really a good outfielder” was absurd.

by sjlee on May 14, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be perfectly honest

it is entirely possible that Edmonds was never was a good fielder.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on May 14, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was good

UZR/150 between ‘02-’05, for example: 7.2, 8.8, 4.8, 9.8

That’s a very good centerfielder, though probably not deserving of the defensive praise and Gold Gloves Edmonds got from the national media (when compared to a defender like Gomez or Gutierrez, for example)

That said, he’s pretty bad these days.

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by SRB on May 14, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure that is good

not Gold glove good though. The most important thing to us though is that he tanked after 2005. 0.3, -4.0 and I ignore his 2008 UZR/150 of -24.1 since I think he was hurt.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on May 14, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be fine with that.

I’m not sure why they continue to use Edmonds as much as they have… it’s not like he’s earning his playing time with good ABs.

Personally, I’d like to see Hart and Gerut platooning in RF with Edmonds periodically playing to give someone a day off. Heck, at this point I’d give Inglett the start over Edmonds.

by sjlee on May 14, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again:

Tony La Russa, noted paragon of virtue.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 14, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not the words I would have used to describe LaRussa

I would have gone with insufferable jackass. Disrespectful to the pitcher to mutter to yourself , unbelievable.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on May 14, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about hypocrite?
Lee said Carpenter was yelling after giving up an RBI single to Lance Berkman in the at-bat prior to Lee’s.

“I guess he’s allowed to yell and say anything he wants because when Lance got that hit, he was screaming and yelling and saying all kinds of stuff out there,” Lee said. “But as a hitter, we can’t get emotional? Why? I got a pitch to hit and got mad because I should have hit it and I popped it up. I got mad at myself.”

by sjlee on May 14, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

So they see everything as a slight and show no respect the other way.

Treat others as you want to be treated.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on May 14, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right on

Next time someone hits a huge home run off the Cardinals that player should go shake the pitcher’s hand and congratulate him on a very fine pitch he threw

by Junked on May 14, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

That wouldn't work

He’d be called out for leaving the basepath.

by sjlee on May 14, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tip of the cap?

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by Yar Nivek on May 14, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that would be awesome

But probably lead to a beaning the next time at the plate.

by sjlee on May 14, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

How to use this to our advantage

If I understand the rules of baseball correctly, the first pitcher who beans a guy leads to both teams being warned (most times where it seems intentionally). The next pitcher to bean a guy gets booted if it seems intentional (so Dave Bush gets a pass).

We bean one of the Cards, and then get both teams warned, then piss off Carpy by tipping the cap and untucking the shirt while admiring our work and get Carpy booted.

by drezdn on May 14, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tipping the cap already has a meaning

Perhaps removing another item of clothing, like untucking the shirt, would be a more apt tribute.

by nullacct on May 14, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

That settles it.

The Cardinals are miles and miles ahead of the Cubs as my most hated team. If the Brewers don’t want to untuck anymore, I wish they would at least do it whenever they play the Cardinals.

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by NoahJ on May 14, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Every Brewer that gets on base needs to run across Carpenter’s mound.

by drezdn on May 14, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Exceeding expectations

Just when you think the Royals can’t get worse, they do. Just when you think the Cardinals can’t get more obnoxious, they do. Strange world we’re living in.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

How dare Lee get upset with himself for missing a pitch!

Ty Cobb must be rolling over in his mausoleum knowing that the game is being disrespected so much.

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on May 14, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

afreed

afreed? agreed i mean. absolutely fantastic thread

by goirish2107 on May 14, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the interwebs were created

Solely to produce that thread, and then immediately shut down forever, I would still be happy.

by Cheeseandcorn on May 14, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we need our own Corey Hart version of this one.

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by Yar Nivek on May 14, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially

if you’re at work and want to look like you have finally, truly lost your sanity. BTW – I had to close it. I’d prefer to check it out later when only my family is staring at me, thinking I’ve lost it.

by junyer_mint on May 14, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

BA

Just signed up for my annual 3 month subscription online to get ready for the draft (if you can do it, the $27 is well worth it). I get the print version delivered to me, but for draft stuff, sometimes they have more up to date rankings, so I like to have both on hand.

I havent read the Salome story yet (I do most of my posting here while at work) but when I do finally i will be glad to paraphrase.

On draft notes, they have an updated ranking of the top 50 draft prospects and at #14 they have Cal St Fullerton SS Christian Colon. The bright side of the new ranking is that they have two big HS arms falling beneath where the Brewers pick. These rankings rarely go that way in the draft, but I would love to see either Karsten Whitson #16 or AJ Cole #17, available when the Brewers pick this year. Doubt the Brewers would draft either one, but we’ll see if they are available and if the Brewers would take them to continue to build up the pitching corps in the organization.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Salome

The article in Baseball America about Salome is just a re-hashing of the reason(s) for his extended leave of absence from Nashville. Its writtien by TH, probably geared more towards the prospect fan than Brewer fan, who may not have heard about this issue.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be delighted to get A.J. Cole

Any reason he’s falling so far in rankings?

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by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ive heard and read

That hes just not progressing.

He still has top quality stuff with mid 90s fastball, but he hasnt been dominant, IIRC.

Its kind of like one of those things that happens when you get a kid with huge expectations, and he doesnt blow people away. Still a great pitcher, doing everything right, just not taking the next step.

Id love to see him as well in a Brewer uniform some day, but if he continues to slip I wonder if he doesnt think about college as a better option and take the Gerrit Cole route.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where do they have Ranaudo?

Earlier in the year I’d seen him falling fairly low due to the risks surrounding him (though maybe not to 14), but that would be another player I would love to see somehow fall to the Brewers.

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by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Falling all the way to 23

If it werent for the injuries this year, he would be a top pick for me at #14 as well. But since he is dropping, and after Pomerantz the college crop is a bit thin, I think the Brewers should be thinking HS arm that falls.

BA just posted a Mock Draft and Jim Callis has the Brewers taking RHP Brandon Workman, Texas. I wouldnt mind this pick, but Workman is a pitch to contact guy with average stuff. Typical #3 or #4 type of guy. Id be much happier with the high upside HS arm who falls to them, with ace potential.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

21

Missed Wash, Pitt, Dodgers, Rockies, Twins, Indians, Angels, A’s

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 14, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Royals Speculationville
Greinke to the Brewers – Yes, I know the Brewers don’t quite fit in financially with the above teams, but they have made this leap before and would be getting two and one-half seasons of Greinke instead of just half a year of Sabathia. Would you make the deal if the Brew Crew offered second baseman Brett Lawrie (#2), catcher Jonathon LuCroy (#5), pitcher Zach Braddock (#7) and outfielder Lorenzo Cain (#8)?

http://www.royalsauthority.com/?p=2390

by PagsBrewCrew on May 14, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

And decimate the farm?

No

Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 14, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 14, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greinke-Brewers rumors are like christmas

I’m pretty sure they’ve occurred every year for the last 3-4 years…at least around here.

Man that scenario would be rough though, I would rather see something more along the lines of Salome, Gamel, Cain and and like a Heckathorn type pitcher (someone young and with upside). Hell throw in another guy like Amaury Rivas maybe?

I wonder if they would have any interest in a Fielder/Greinke swap. I don’t know why they would but who knows…it is the Royals.

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by MadJimiBrewha on May 14, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

What good would that do the Royals?

If the Brewers can’t re-sign Fielder, there’s zero chance the Royals can.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 14, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

But....Dayton Moore.

Logic does not apply.

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by NoahJ on May 14, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they want a 2B, C, P, and OF

How about Counsell, Zaun, Suppan, and Edmonds?

by nullacct on May 14, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that you were serious

But Counsell, Zaun and Edmonds, who are all in the first year of a free agent contract, have full no-trade clauses until June 15.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 14, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

They'd waive it...

just so they can play for Yost.

by sjlee on May 14, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

If BCB ran the Brewers, we'd already have Greinke

Who was it that used to be so adamant about trading for him, before his breakout 2009? (battlekow/Jeff/TheJay?)

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hello there!

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 14, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm on to you Julio...

And I’m not talkin about Jorge Julio, former Brewer pitcher.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 15, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

what gave it away, the dan gadzaric picture or the fact that i came on to you a little too strong.

by unome on May 15, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moderator powers allow me to see email addresses, and I had a suspicion

Compared it to your facebook email address and there it was. You were sneaky there… I thought I had an anonymous die-hard fan out there.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 15, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep...

seems that most of his trades were a bit too royals-biased. Seems like most teams would have to give up a ton for him to be interested. I just thought I’d share the link.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 14, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...

Four top 10 prospects for Greinke?

by sjlee on May 14, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

For 2.5 years of Greinke.

Kinda the same discussion we were having about Fielder, where the Brewers might be able to get more for him now than at the trade deadline next year.

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by NoahJ on May 14, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

This would be something the Yankees wuld have done circa 2000

by BrewCrewBrian on May 14, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think 3 top prospects for 2.5 years of Greinke is more palatable if we traded Fielder for a couple top prospects from another organization. In the same way the Phillies essentially traded Cliff Lee for Roy Halladay, we’d essentially be trading Fielder (and probably a lower prospect, since its unlikely he yields as much as an elite pitcher) for Greinke.

by dtmeyers on May 14, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

would be reasonable in a lot of peoples eyes I would have to think.

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by MadJimiBrewha on May 14, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be up for this, especially if there was a way to extend Greinke as part of the deal.

by drezdn on May 14, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

admit it

you just like the prospect of a 3-way.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 14, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

what?

I think Noah’s right. a lot of people don’t know how to use that phrase. You can’t use it when pun is intended.

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by tcyoung on May 14, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was being proactive

I assumed someone would come along an auto TWSS it. Just trying to help a guy out.

by Junked on May 14, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting things to keep in mind

When considering the trade of Grienke to the Brewers, which will not happen. Here are some values to think about:

Zack Grienke Approximately $33.8 Million in Surplus Value
Prince Fielder $23.4 million approximately (according to Sky Kalkman’s, of Beyond the Boxscore, Trade Value Calculator.

So in order to get Grienke, the prospects involved (according to Victor Wang and John Sickel’s rankings/numbers, the Brewers would have to give up something along the lines of Brett Lawrie ($12.6 million value), Mat Gamel ($11.1 million in value and falling probably), Lucroy ($4.8 million) and Braddock ($6.5 million) to get him. So the trade proposed is a fair trade, but not a good deal for the Brewers because they probably need more than Grienke to make a serious playoff run this year.

Fielder and a prospect (as noted below) maybe works, but it still has to be a top level guy like Lawrie for it to work for the Royals. And they probably wouldnt want Fielder because of his price, but they would definitely trade him for some nice prospects, like the Brewers should do this year.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Justin Smoak not untouchable?

via Dallas News

Fielder for Smoak + younger prospects would be amazing. Even in 2011 we would have a full lineup (assuming Hart stays) with roughly $35 million to spend on two starters and a closer (since you know Melvin won’t promote anyone from within to close) in a free agent pitching market that will include Lee, Vazquez, Webb, etc.

Just sayin’

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by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

35M to spend?

get real.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 14, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am real

Just did a mock 25-man roster with arbitration raises included

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by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Assuming the payroll stays the same as this year?

It’s going down at least 10M, probably more.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 14, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I assumed $85 million

If they somehow worked a Smoak deal, I don’t think it would go far below that

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd have it about 70M, 75 after some "flexibility"

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 14, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty big drop-off, since they're operating around $90 million right now aren't they?

If Attanasio is willing to spend on some big free agents, and thus plans to compete in 2011, I think he’d be willing to keep it in the 80-90 range

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 14, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Full details

I assumed they will pick up Zaun’s 2011 option ($2,250,000) to split time with Lucroy, though that’s not a sure thing, assumed they will buy out Suppan/Hoffman/Riske/Davis, and also gave very liberal arbitration numbers for the seven arbitration-eligible players.

Assuming an $85,000,000 payroll, the Brewers will have around $38,000,000 to spend on two starting pitchers (I gave the fifth spot to some combination of Parra/Narveson/internal options), a closer, and two bench players.

Again, this is assuming the Brewers get a major-league ready 1B like Smoak in return for Fielder.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would take Smoak in a second

But if the Rangers did, especially with a pending MLB takeover (which also will include tremendous frivolity) it would shock me.

Smoak for Fielder straight up is a good trade, but if you start talking about throwing in any of their top pitching prospects, its a fleecing done by the Brewers.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely not Feliz-type prospects

But maybe some A-level pitching to complement the lower level pitching the Brewers already have

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 14, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Id Love Kasey Kiker

But Hes probably worth a little too much for them to reqlinquish. Although there often is a premium paid on trades/FA signings, that might work.

But again, only 1 pitcher for Fielder? Would seem like such a lost opportunity, if they didnt stockpile the farm system with arms if they deal him.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember the Cubs fan who fell reaching for a ball during BP?

He died today from his injuries. Link

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 14, 2010 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh My God

I thought that guy was coherent after the fall. He fell a bit of a way, but enough to kill the guy? Just awful.

by backtocali on May 14, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Things I learn on the internets

Danica McKellar (Winnie Cooper from Wonder Years) was a college math major, coauthored a paper there, and has since written two popular press books about math. Not to mention that she was in an episode of the most kickass sci fi series of my generation: Babylon 5 as a Centauri.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 14, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Wasn’t she on Numb3rs too?

by drezdn on May 14, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

And "how i met your mother" and Big Bang theory.

she’s apparently a traveling guest star these days.

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on May 14, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

All of the guys old enough to be directors

were lusting over her during her Wonder Years days. Now they have a chance to create parts for her.

by ecocd on May 14, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watching the Cubs/Pirates game

People are just cheering for the Blackhawks now.

by drezdn on May 14, 2010 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

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