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Joey Votto.

W: Carlos Fisher (1-1)
L: Trevor Hoffman (1-3)

HR: Ryan Braun (7), Joey Votto (9), Scott Rolen (8)

MVP: Marco Estrada (+.273)
LVP: Trevor Hoffman (- roughly a billion)

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I've resisted saying it for some time now, but I'm ready to admit it: Trevor Hoffman is done.

Called upon to defend a 4-2 lead in an otherwise very well played ballgame, Hoffman surrendered three straight solid base hits, including a two run home run to Scott Rolen, walked Brandon Phillips and gave up a walkoff hit off the wall to Joey Votto. To sum up: He blew the game without recording an out.

Here's today's other stuff, largely irrelevant now:

  • Manny Parra pitched relatively well in his first start of the season, allowing a run on four hits and four walks in four innings, throwing 83 pitches.
  • Marco Estrada, however, was the star of the day for the Crew. Making his Brewer debut, Estrada pitched four excellent innings, allowing a run on just two hits and no walks, striking out four. He retired the first nine batters he faced in order and needed just 55 pitches to complete four innings.
  • At the plate, Casey McGehee was the hero of the day. He went 3-for-4 with a double, drove in two runs and picked up the first stolen base of his career. He was the only Brewer with multiple hits.
  • Speaking of stolen bases, George Kottaras also had the first of his career in the ninth inning. He went 0-for-2 with two walks on the day.

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That's what happens when you get to excited about brewers baseball.

Thanks for the memories Trevor Hoffman. It’s time to send Hoffman to the DL.

by Troy J. on May 18, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't bother.

Just cut him

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

DL first

but if he sucks in rehab, kick him to the curb.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will he go on the fake DL though?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's a choice between being cut and going on the DL

He might choose the DL. Is there another team that’s going to install him as a closer directly off of free agency?

by ecocd on May 18, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly

Maybe they can just say he’s not closing anymore and hope he quits. Yeah, that’ll happen.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the fold.

It was a heck of a run, Trevor. Enjoy your stud fees.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

let's stay positive

maybe hoffman is working his way up the blown save leaderboard. does someone have a baseball-reference subscription? where does he sit on that?

by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

He has around 75.

IIRC

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

where does that stand all time?

although i don’t think it’s an official statistic, so i don’t know if records will really be in place for that.

by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure.

But there are only a few guys who could possibly be on the list.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seemed like Turnbow had 75 blown saves in the first half a couple of years ago.

But I MIGHT be exaggerating. Slightly.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably can't make a leaderboard out of it

But STATS.com’s pitcher pages have a Sv-Op column. Here is Hoffman’s. Mariano Rivera has 63 blown saves. Sadly, they made it awfully hard to find retired players.

Another option is to add “#1-XXXX-sum” to the end of the Baseball Reference season gamelog of the last year for a player, where XXXX is the total number of career games. Jesse Orosco had 77 blown saves.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blown saves

The blown save is really impossible to quantify because any non-starter giving up the lead anytime after the 6th is technically a blown save (if he would finish the game, he would be credited with a save).

I have no idea how they really can even calculate “save opportunities” because of this…

by BrewCrewBrian on May 18, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

stilll..any leader is significant

it means they’ve been in the game long enough to qualify and retain teams’ faith in them. it’s possible not all of hoffman’s blowies are in the 9th. I’m sure some are in extras, and he probably wasn’t a closer straight out of the minors

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

For me it is more like being good enough to be a major league reliever for a long enough period of time (see: Orosco, Jesse). I am willing to bet that Hawkins might have a TON of blown saves because he has been around for a while. Theoretically any close game that he lost the lead in was a blown save…

by BrewCrewBrian on May 19, 2010 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That’s why save percentage is useless when deciding if a setup guy should become a closer. Blown saves is like any other cumulative leaderboard (see games pitched, etc.), only guys who are around forever will be on it. The reason setup guys get so many is because the save is a contrived statistic and bullpen roles grew up around it. Shrug.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

so fangraphs lets you sort that

but the save is a recent statistic and i don’t think the blown save is really tracked because it’s not an official stat. so if i go to fangraphs, and go to pitching career leaders and then click on the BS column, it says trevor is in third place on all-time blown saves, with 34. so he could take first!

first place: latroy hawkins, with 43. for what it’s worth, david weathers is second with 36.

by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, i don't think the fangraphs number is right

hence all my caveats. if you can figure out how to do a leaderboard with that, please post. regardless, thanks for looking in to it!

by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great

The Brewers have/had all three.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's incorrect.

Hoffman has 75 BS.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

AC/DC out?

This should probably be the official end of Hell’s Bells. Does anybody really want to hear that song anymore?

I’d like to take a moment here to remind everybody that the Cubs still really suck, and this year will be their 102nd consecutive year without a World Series title.

Isn’t that awesome?

by Tick on May 18, 2010 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

not a chance.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minor league numbers aside

he looks too much like Suppan for me to be fully comfortable with that.

by Wayfaerer on May 18, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Col James Braddock?

Maybe Mr Norris can roundhouse kick Hoffman and Macha off the team

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on May 18, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'd go with Coffey

It’ll probably be Hawkins when he’s back off the DL. That’ll work out great.

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by Lefti on May 18, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawkin's has pitched just fine this year.

no need to irrationally hate. 2 bad outings + 1 injured outing do not a bad season make.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I'm being too harsh

I’m not convinced he’s a better option than Coffey or Villanueva, though, but I feel like he’ll get the nod just because he’s closed in the past.

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by Lefti on May 18, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coffey and CV didn't do too well as closers last season when filling in for Hoffman

I think Hawkins was always the backup plan. Another reason for the multi-year deal.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, what'd Coffey do to you?

He was the only dependable pitcher in the ’pen last spring.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about no closer

if the heart of the order is due in the eighth and it’s tight, why do you not put your best guy in then?

by warwick5s on May 18, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Estrada can't pitch that much.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's crazy, at the start of the year when they started talking about the countdown to #600...

I thought, “no way I’ll be home from college in time to see #600 in person.” Funny how that worked out.

by KittenMittons on May 18, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

For what team?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewers.

I don’t think they’ll outright cut him. Instead, they’ll have someone else split closing duties with him. He’ll somehow manage to get to 600, but it’ll be an ugly trip.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He won't do that.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

editing help

You left in the part about Estrada getting his first win. That was the part that needed to be deleted once Trevor came in.

by Cervercero on May 18, 2010 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

reading help/fail

Apparently I just needed to read the first comment.

by Cervercero on May 18, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hoffman, Hawkins, Davis.

Melvin must be feeling great.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

It's like every free agent with a decent history

is conspiring against Melvin. Wolf better get on that train or he won’t look like a team player.

by Wayfaerer on May 18, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why lump Hawkins in with them, exactly?

Oh right, the irrational hatred because of 2 bad games thing.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant he's on the DL.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about Hawkins.

His performance has not been that bad. If Macha had a quicker hook it would be even better.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get where you're coming from

And I actually wouldn’t have a big problem with Hawkins as closer.

Now here’s where people’s hatred is probably coming from: 9.26 ERA, 1.71 WHIP, three losses.

That’s entirely rational.

by Cheeseandcorn on May 18, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

but he’s got a solid tRA, and a ridiculous BABIP against (.433), he had 2 rough outings, and was hurt in the other bad outing, he’ll finish the year in the 3.5-4 ERA range, not that that means anything.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’m just saying I can totally understand why Brewers fans think he’s awful.

by Cheeseandcorn on May 18, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uninformed fans. Not smart ones.

is all i’m saying.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

hoffman's babip against today was pretty bad too

maybe he had such a high babip against because players were hitting liners? or are his (hawkins) flyball/groundball percentages normal?

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

His BABIP today was 1.000 today

“pretty bad”…it doesn’t get any worse!

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by Yar Nivek on May 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

LD - GB - FB
12.9 % 51.6 % 35.5 %

LD rate is way down, GB rate is way up, FB rate is right in line with career numbers.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's for Hawkins.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

so...either dumb luck

or a poor right side of the infield?

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

his BABIP is right in line with his career numbers

and his LD% is actually down a bit (14.9% as opposed to 19.9% career). His groundball rate is almost a third of his career average, however (14.9% v. 39.3%) and the rest is fly balls. He’s compounding that by giving up homeruns at 3 times his career rate on fly balls (18.2% v. 6.5% career)

by dtmeyers on May 18, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can a guy who gave up only 2 homeruns and only 11 earned runs in 54 innings last year give up 19 earned runs and 7 homeruns in just 13 innings this year? I thought Rick Peterson was supposed to make everyone better.

by Troy J. on May 18, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

That's an easy one:

’cuz last year was the flukiest fluke of all time.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe you meant "the flukiest fluke who ever fluked."

That’s the proper phrasing.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fluke the fluking fluker?

by BrewCrewBrian on May 18, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

now that I'm anti-hoffman, I'll use the

look at 2008 argument in my favor, instead of trying to work around it.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could blame Peterson

Overall, team pitching is as bad (or worst) than last season.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

or blame father time

or regression, or statistics, or maybe hoffman himself.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Age

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I missed the game today

But looking at the box score I have to blame Macha yet again. Estrada is a starter, was at 55 pitches, and was pitching well. He couldn’t have pitched the ninth? Nope, guess that has to go to the Closer™ with the 11.00+ ERA

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

or with trying to get some more runs in the bottom of the 8th.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Former Closer™

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Being honest

I’d rather have gone with Hoffman. Based on the fact that it would be a huge blow to him to put Estrada in to close instead but, more importantly, I wouldn’t have wanted to risk Estrada blowing it when he’d had such a good outing.

Obviously I’d have been wrong as it was a huge blow to Hoffman to leave him in and let him self-destruct all over the place…

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on May 18, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I wouldn't have wanted to risk Estrada blowing it when he'd had such a good outing'

What? Would you have pulled him if he’s started the game and was at 2 ER through 8.0 IP with (somehow) only 55 pitches? I guess I can understand that if it’s Villanueva or somebody going multiple innings, but Estrada was essentially starting in relief.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally get what you're saying

but I think there’s a fair amount of difference between a pitcher going 8 inning with 2 ER and someone going 4 with 2 ER (especially as you always want to keep someone in for the whole 9 inning so they get the “complete game” stuff). At the same time I think Marco Estrada going 4 inning with 2 ER feels pretty good but doesn’t fill you with quite the same confidence as Lincecum, Gallardo or someone. Essentially he’s an awful lot more unproven.

Saying that, I’ll concede that I tend to be fairly conservative on these decisions because I generally hate feeling that someone is doing really well then ends up feeling crap because they’ve been kept in slightly too long…

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on May 18, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was a scoring opp in the bottom of the 8th.

That’s why Estrada was lifted. Okay, that’s not the only reason, but that’s the reason it was the right thing to do.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It clearly was not the right thing to do

Hoffman has been terrible all season, if there was a clear opportunity (which there was) to let a pitcher who was performing well finish the game without going to the rest of the bullpen, Macha should have taken it. Instead he couldn’t conceive of a ninth inning save situation without his Closer™ in place.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, Kottaras was on first with one out

That’s not exactly a key scoring opportunity. Why not use Estrada to bunt him over?

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, you're saying...

That with the score 4-2, 2 outs and a man on 3B you’d have the pitch hit?

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad...

When Estrada’s spot was up, it was…

4-2, 1 out with Counsell on 1b.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

That wasn't the situation

Ninth inning:
Gerut groundout
Kottaras BB
→ Estrada pulled for Counsell
Kottaras steals second
Counsell flyout
Week single
Escobar flyout

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

I corrected it afterwards.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think we need to break this into two parts

(1) there was a situation where it made sense to use a pinch hitter;
(2) then there was pitching in the 9th.

item (1) made it sensible to lift the new guy, item (2) means you have a decision on using hoffman. honestly, if you don’t have confidence in hoffman for that role, he needs to be gone. so assuming mach isn’t to that point, he’s got an answer to (2), so he’s fine doing (1).

you think the answer to (2) is incorrect — but then do you think (1) is incorrect? do you not trust ANYBODY in the bullpen? i realize we all feel that way at times, but this bullpen isn’t the AZ one (soon, maybe) and i think there is some talent there. and even if you hate every player in the bullpen, it’s hard to jettison them all off and we’re kinda stuck.

by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not everyone in the bullpen is a mess, but I would rather avoid going to the bullpen in any situation if it makes sense to keep the current pitcher in the game. The Brewers were ahead and had nobody in scoring position, what’s wrong with a complete game between Parra/Estrada (both of whom were pitching well)?

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll have to take your word for it since I didn't get chance to watch the game

But a guy who routinely throws 100 pitches as a starter running out of gas at 55 seems kind of strange.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if he was on fumes

but it did seem like they were starting to figure him out the second time through.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

At the time I’d have gone with Hoffman over Estrada, but there’s other people I’d rather have close than Hoffman…

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on May 18, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Macha has made some bad decisions

but I don’t think today was one of them. He was trying to score more runs in a close game. I’m not going to begrudge him for doing that.

Estrada gave up a HR in the 8th, then threw a wild pitch before getting out of the inning.

If Hoffman gets the save, this discussion wouldn’t be going on. It’s easy to second-guess when things go wrong.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah...

i was on edge in the 8th. I think he was essentially done.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do you answer this question:
“Did the brewers not win again?”

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

"could be worse"

“could be raining”

Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.

by theBrouhaha on May 18, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll rec this

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets not say things we cant take back.

by BrewCrewBrian on May 18, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

raining would have been nice

then we wouldn’t have recorded another L

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

and could have not needed the spot split start

even though they did well, wouldn’t you rather have had a normal starter start?

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Losing is the new winning.

We’re fashionable.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Convincing the Brewers to fire Macha, cut Suppan, and at minimum, remove Hoffman from closing.

Should we promise to wet our pants again?

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by Yar Nivek on May 18, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Too bad firing macha won't do anything.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'll get people to shut up for a little while

So I expect it to happen, throw someone under the bus.

Macha is meh to me.

by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh..

I think he’s an easy excuse, and we all took the bait. Junk in, Junk out.

by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not.

But that doesn’t mean they won’t do it.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I say the whole coaching staff needs to go. Given that the manager doesn’t really do much beyond setting the lineup, which he’s finally gotten right the past few days.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

We will do it

A new baseball experiment. Crowd sourced coaching.

by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

you honestly could build an ipad app that could outmanage every manager in the league

by warwick5s on May 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

I think most of the crowd thinks old vegas style

by drezdn on May 18, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm suicide squeezing

every chance I can, even with 2 outs.

by SgtClueLs on May 18, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

it won’t happen, but I think it needs to. Even though if Macha goes, Randolph takes over, and is basically guaranteed the job next year.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I don't know about that.

I think he’d need a pretty good showing to get the job next year. Especially if Melvin is let go at the end of the year.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, what will he be judged against?

Macha? I think it’s safe to say that the team’s not going to have this winning percentage for the rest of the year.

Good point about Melvin gone though.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose he'd be judged by the same standard Macha was:

meaning, this was supposed to be a contending team. If we go .500 the rest of the way with Willie at the helm, I don’t think they’d bring him back.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. This.

I keep saying this but nobody will hear me. If the players hated him, maybe it would make a difference. But right now, I imagine, the payers hate playing for each other more than anything else.

by Et tu Brewte on May 18, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's fire them too.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

Based on Fielder’s quotes yesterday, I don’t know if the players would be THAT upset to see Macha let go.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've been sifting through mid season managerial changes to make a fanpost.

Maybe I’ll just post the data. It results in an improvement in the vast majority of cases. It’s resulted in winning seasons and play off berths multiple times for teams with awful starts.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

But isn’t there an argument that most managers who get fired mid-season have had relatively unlucky teams and that their replacement merely benefits from the luck evening out rather than them actually creating any improvement?

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on May 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure how well that can be quantified

But yes, my gut is that that explains most of the improvement

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by Lefti on May 18, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

That’s why I might just post the data. It’s interesting but difficult to draw conclusions.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

Hoffman’s gotta get cut. Although, if you take him out of the closers role, my guess is he’ll retire, rather than humble himself like that… so maybe he’ll cut himself.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed watching Estrada pitch.

Lots of first pitch strikes from that guy, I think he was 12/14 there. All those walks are really starting to grind my gears.

On another note, does he have a third pitch? All I saw were fastballs and changeups. The hitters were starting to pick up on his game the second time around, so unless he develops another pitch I think he’ll strictly be a bullpen guy. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. We sort of have a shortage of good bullpen guys.

by KittenMittons on May 18, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

According to Gameday

he threw a fastball, curveball and changeup to most batters today. He also threw a slider once.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The sad thing is

I left after the top of the ninth to go take a shower because i knew what was most likely coming.

by levnclf on May 18, 2010 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Ken Macha

Looks utterly depressed. I kind of feel bad for him, he did everything right today.

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

As long as Hoffman is on the roster

He comes in to close. I don’t know any manager who would have done differently.

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't mind putting in Hoffman to start the ninth

So much as leaving him in after he’d faced four batters and gone single, homer, double, walk, no outs. After four guys, isn’t it obvious he’s got nothing?

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by Lefti on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'd still get the loss.

putting anyone else in there would be setting them up for failure. Once the game was tied, you knew he would in there until the end.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't pull the all-time saves leader

Unless you think he has nothing left. In which case, why is he here?

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

but this could be hastening that

if he lets hoffman die on his own, then i think it’s politically easier to remove him from the job. if just removed him on his own, some fans, media, GM, ownership or someone would be on him. here he gets one more data point

by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Villa was ready.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're forgetting about suppan

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want three heads to roll by tomorrow

Melvin
Hoffman
Macha

In that order of deservingness. Melving for assembling a crap team, Hoffman for sucking. Macha for continuing to pitch Hoffman. Perhaps Estrada’s gas tank was empty, but give him the ball to start the 9th and have Hoffman warming.

If only we had 2 more runs in the 9th so it wouldn’t have been a save situation and hoffman could have been on the bench.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Melvin

Picked up a guy who gave you a crucial RBI single and four sterling innings of relief in this game. On waivers.

by Et tu Brewte on May 18, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

blind squirrel meet acorn

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on May 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

they were trying to get 2 more runs… which is why they pulled Estrada

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

don't have the gamelog in front of me

but didn’t the 9th end on the #8 hitter? My bad if not

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, the old #8 hitter.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, the wrong #8 hitter.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i think that’s what threw me. I’m used to Escobar being #8. I guess I didn’t notice weeks right before him.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

"There'll be a lot of discussion about a lot of things"

He knows he’s done

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

They asked him if Parra would start again and that’s what he said. I think he knows he won’t be around to make that decision.

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Parra will start again, personally.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Why not? Do you think DD comes back quickly?

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they'd rather

have Estrada start. Due to both Estrada’s success starting so far this year, and Parra’s success out of the pen.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Starting success?

In Nashville?

Anyway, at this point, they might be looking to shake up things to get back to winning, so I could see that happening. I could also see these two teaming up again the next start.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right. in nashville

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, why is Adam Stern the primary pinch hitter now?

Does he really need playing time to justify being called up because of an injury?
Personally I’d like to see Joe Inglett out there more often.

by KittenMittons on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably wanted to save Inglett for a higher leverage situation

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on May 18, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I hope you were sarcastic there – as a manager you hope there are no higher leverage situations left for your team

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Terror alert level Blackwatch Plaid.

Tread very carefully in Old Vegas today.

On second thought, just stay the hell away.

by klwillis45 on May 18, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

That's always good advice.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not this time.

I’ll admit somtimes I persue the comments there to amuse myself.
But even I have limits.

by klwillis45 on May 18, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are they jumping into the most scenic part of Old Vegas?

You know, Troll Canyon??

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by Yar Nivek on May 18, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still waiting for my

“WELCOME TO OLD VEGAS” postcard …

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It has?

I was worried it was lost in the carnage last Friday.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

On the bright side,

In three hours I’ll be at the Mastodon / Between the Buried and Me / Baroness show in Madison and will not be thinking about the brewers in the slightest

by warwick5s on May 18, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

more like

between the boring and me

pro mastodon and baroness though.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 18, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

BTBAM took awhile to grow on me but are really interesting; I think Mastodon is ok but totally overrated, and Baroness is meh :\

by Wayfaerer on May 18, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

i just find their live shows to be excruciatingly boring

if i’m seeing metalcore, i expect it to be exciting like ‘99-’02 era metalcore shows were to me.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 18, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poorly attended? :)

Honestly though, I was in my ‘true metal’ stage at that point, so I didn’t get to any metalcore shows.

by Wayfaerer on May 18, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

ohhh they weren't that bad!

depends on where you went. fireside bowl in chicago was always packed for shows i went to. the good ol’ days.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 18, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I only ever went to the Fireside for one show, but it was an awesome one. IIRC, it was emo though with Planes Mistaken for Stars, Tristeza and someone else.

My friend’s car window got broken and I rode back to Milwaukee holding a sweater up to keep the wind/bugs out.

by drezdn on May 18, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

memories!

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thinking positive

I didn’t watch the ninth inning because it was my son’s nap time.

by drezdn on May 18, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Also thinking positive

It keeps the Cards out of first.

by drezdn on May 18, 2010 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

how disrespectful of us

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on May 18, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If Melvin is still around

Is Mariano Rivera the Brewers’ closer in 2013?

by drezdn on May 18, 2010 3:39 PM CDT reply actions  

When this streak ends.

This team better untuck.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:39 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

For everyone who wants to fire the whole coaching staff. Is that really the problem?

How can you blame Macha when the ENTIRE Bullpen sucks? He is doing the best he can with what he has to work with.

Melvin signed the #2 best SP this off season (Wolf) and most people considered the BP to be an area of strength for the Brewers this year so Melvin assembled what many people agreed was a better starting rotation and a solid Bullpen. The players are not performing but that isn’t Melvin’s fault is it? He can’t force them to play as well as they are capable of.

Peterson has done pretty well with the younger pitchers. You can’t expect Peterson to do much with older pitchers that’s not what he was brought in to do. Peterson has done well with Gallardo, Narveson and Parra however. It’s the old guys who a pitching coach doesn’t have much influence over who have been awful.

I guess the pitch counts could be Peterson’s fault but Gallardo has always been iffy with control and I don’t know if you can expect a pitcher to completely revolutionize his strike ratio because of a new pitching coach.

I am all for firing the bullpen coach though. :)

by Flanyboy on May 18, 2010 3:42 PM CDT reply actions  

The entire bullpen doesn't suck. That is all.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lately it has.

but your right, Coffey and Villy have been solid.

by Flanyboy on May 18, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

So has Parra, Hawkins, Suppan (yes, Suppan) and Stetter

Vargas, Narveson, and Hoffman are the only weak spots (though I’d say Coffey hasn’t been that solid).

Reliever stats:

tRA Reliever
9.47 — Axford, John
6.29 — Coffey, Todd
3.81 — Hawkins, LaTroy
9.9 — Hoffman, Trevor
6.29 — Narveson, Chris
4.45 — Parra, Manny
3.9 — Stetter, Mitch
3.6 — Suppan, Jeff
6.74 — Vargas, Claudio
4.7 — Villanueva, Carlos

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

He can’t force them to play as well as they are capable of.

He CAN put them in position to have success, though, and, up until the last couple days, he wasn’t doing that very well.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could almost use that same argument for any manager for a struggling team.

I think people are questioning the use of the bullpen so far. Even though DM assembled the team, Macha still decides who to use, when to use them and for how long.

You say that Peterson has done pretty well with the younger pitchers. Can you quantify that? Narveson was doing well in his starts at the end of last season already and Gallardo is pretty much having the same problem as last season… throwing too many balls.

Bullpen coach? The one at home fighting cancer or the interim one?

In the end, you have to hold someone responsible when the team is struggling. If the players aren’t responding to the manager, then the manager is fired… since you can’t fire the team. Something has to be done because it doesn’t appear that the ship is righting itself.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It might come to that.

Not necessarily because they are solely responsible for the struggles, but rather to shake things up.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Mark A isn’t going to fire him until after the season (if he’s fired at all).

If Macha is fired, do you think they wait until they come back from this road trip?

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I figured he'd be gone Monday afternoon.

So, yeah, waiting until the next home stand probably makes the most sense.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

New site tagline

Clearly, “New Vegas” wasn’t getting it done.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Over 200 comments on a post-game thread?

I’d say we’re talking Brewers ESPECIALLY when it gets bad.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's less of a discussion site,

and more of a support group, though.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking too

Talking fans away from the ledge… one at a time.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

And letting a select few jump right off.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean to imply anyone was.

Just a bunch of downtrodden people, talking about their problems.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not irrational.

that’s a potential, low cost solution.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Low cost?

Aren’t the contracts for the coaching staff guaranteed like the players?

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

They’re also much much smaller than the players.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

True... if you're deciding on either firing the coaching staff or the team.

I’m thinking firing the manager or a coach would be low cost… not the entire staff.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, sure.

But he acknowledged it wouldn’t happen.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good call on the retro-rec.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is still all i can think of whenever anyone says new/old vegas.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

On the bright side

At least Braun and Fielder aren’t doing this.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Ugh, I'm way sick of that story already.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sheffield-esque

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Niether one of them

has the crap attitude Sheff had though

by backtocali on May 18, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure about that.

Ramirez is good for some pretty stupid errors. I think they are more related to laziness than on purpose…. unlike Sheffield.

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I guess he wasn’t doing it specifically to spite the Marlins a la Sheffield, but that’s a pretty ridiculous attitude to punt a ball and then jog after it.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

For those all depressed about the brewers...

it’s a woot-happy-hour! (till 5 central)

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

It's been a stupid "gaming mouse" for five minutes now.

It’s not even a real mouse, dammit. Gimme something new.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

We've never had to go to a "Post-Game Thread A" before have we?

Because we might work our way up there.

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by Yar Nivek on May 18, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

The bright side:

If i put my $20 down now, I stand to make a lot of money if the Brewers make the playoffs.

by Wayfaerer on May 18, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

“If someone gives you 10,000 to 1 on anything, you take it. If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.”

by drezdn on May 18, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gord Ash

Would he be that bad as an interim GM?

by drezdn on May 18, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I'm not so sure there is such thing as an "interim GM"

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting...

do you know if this interim guy did anything, or just kinda sat in the office? I would think that a position like that that’s going to have a long term impact on your franchise wouldn’t be filled by a temp….

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's my question.

What, exactly, would Ash do if he took over on an interim basis? The roster is more or less set at this point.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

what would he do?

Whatever Mark A. wanted him to do. I’m sure all big calls (draft aside) would be cleared through mark A.

And the draft would probably be handled by the head of scouting, not by Gord.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

"That bad" is tough to tell.

I do think he’d be worse than Melvin.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That scares me.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering what the GM does

I don’t think it’s possible to have a good interim GM.

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I bleieve

Rizzo for the Nats interim also before he got the permanent job

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on May 18, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Calling it now.

Scott Boras replaces Ken Macha. Now there’s a guy who knows how to get the most out of his players cough

by Wayfaerer on May 18, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you typed

cough instead of employer at the end there.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gosh

dunno how I made that mistake.

by Wayfaerer on May 18, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction
Scott Boras replaces Ken Macha. Now there’s a guy who knows how to get the most out of for his players cough

by sjlee on May 18, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Making him the GM may not be such a bad idea

Moorad, current owner of the Padres is it, used to be an agent. And that worked out well for him.

by backtocali on May 18, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lizard?

I think you’re confusing car insurance agents with sports agents.

by Wayfaerer on May 18, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The part we shuold be happy to talk about is Estrada

He’s going to be with the organization for quite some time by the looks of this season. Even if he ends up as a bullpen guy with his fastball and changeup, he has the potential to be rock solid.

I’d like to think he’ll stay with the team until Doug Davis is back from the DL which means he’ll have time to make more appearances 4-5 days from now. Then again, with a bunch of guys on the DL, they’ll be making a lot of decisions. Those decisions very well could be focused on the future rather than 2010, now, though.

by ecocd on May 18, 2010 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm counting his minor league record, as well

The Nationals were loathe to put him on waivers, but he got left out in a numbers game. One thing Melvin has done well is play the waiver wire game.

by ecocd on May 18, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

It was a nice debut.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm excited about Estrada too.

I’m thrilled to have another pitcher to consider as a future option. But I also feel the need to point this out:

Mike Burns, Brewer debut on 6/2/2009: 4 IP, 4 H, 4 K, 2 BB, 0 ER

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw, man...

Burns was in his 30s and worse at AAA too though.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

How did Burns' stuff look, though

Estrada had the Reds 100% baffled for 3 innings with his changeup going in for strikes. sure the results are great, but it was how he got them that was really exciting. He made one mistake and it went yard, but otherwise he had the Reds hitters swinging and missing and then making defensive swings when they did make contact.

Perhaps most relevant to this current Brewers team, he was attacking hitters with 2 strikes. All of that is exciting.

by ecocd on May 18, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's it...

I think I’m going to jump ship and become a fan of the pirates or something.

The brewers suk.

What’s that? the pirates suck too? well, it’ll be a new version of suck to me.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

You should just be a fan of every bad team.

You’ll probably get a win every day.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

This franchise has hit rock bottom

When being a Pirates fan is a healthy and reasonable alternative.

by brewbaybucks on May 18, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bet

this exact same post was on an Astros forum a few weeks ago.

by Wayfaerer on May 18, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is hardly rock bottom for this franchise.

Sal Bando used be our GM.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I hear the Reds are doing well this year

Make sure you jump on that bandwagon before the wheels fly off and boring old St. Louis steadily chugs along and takes the Central.

by ecocd on May 18, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The really depressing part for me

Is how the starting pitching has been pretty good during the streak:

Davis – 5.2IP, 3ER
Bush – 6IP, 3ER
Gallardo – 6IP, 2ER
Wolf – 5IP, 6ER
Narveson – 5.3, 4ER
Bush – 6IP, 3ER
Gallardo – 6IP, 1ER
Parra – 4IP, 1ER

Four quality starts, a couple more close ones

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

That is roughly a 4.30 ERA with no starter getting past the 6th. I wouldn’t call that “pretty good”

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on May 18, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

QS

Defined as 4.5ERA with a six inning start. I think pretty good works. it’s not great but it should win you some games.

by Junked on May 18, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

QS is anything 4.5 or under on a given day

therefore, as an average it’s really a 2.25 or so

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You cant just take the midpoint of the entire range and say that it is the average…

by BrewCrewBrian on May 18, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

3.31

in the first 300 quality starts of 2010.

That’s as far as I’m going to look. Just saying… something…

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which gets me to my point... it's not the pitching entirely

Why is this meltdown the fault of the pitching? It’s hard to make a case for THE HITTING holding up for the past eight games. Think back on the RISP failures during that period. Every opposing pitcher knows about the Wallbanger mentality of our “stars.” As The Rock said last night “this is a team of home run hitters.” And unlike the Phillies, it’s our only weapon….

"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee

by heybatterbatter on May 18, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, it's the pitching

Maybe not the starters, but the pitching nonetheless. Over the last eight games the Brewers have given up 62 runs. Can’t really expect the offense to score 7+ runs per game.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I can expect the offense to

do better than 4+ runs a game. Especially since FSN replays Fielder/Braun HR ad nauseum in the leadups to commercials. This team is being MARKETED as a hitting team. So HIT!

"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee

by heybatterbatter on May 18, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

The above stats make my point. An OBP of .314 just jumps off the page. The problem with our team is multi-faceted. The pitchers likely sense the lack of support they will encounter (with exception of the laughers, of course) when they are on the mound. They lack the aggressiveness that confidence breeds.

All this said, Hoffman’s abject failure as a closer this year has turned a winning team into a loser. Every failure was a win that was ours – but taken away by a pitcher who cannot fool even the rookies….

"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee

by heybatterbatter on May 18, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The streak also coincides with Gomez' trip to the DL and a rough patch for Weeks.

It may not be a causal relationship, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was. Gomez’ absence resulted in some terrible OF defense in CF and RF (when Edmonds was still available they were playing him in CF and Hart in RF), and while Hart’s bat has been better the last few days, I’m not sure it’s counter-acted his defensive deficiencies.

All of the above is completely pulled out of my ass, for the record.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinkign the same thing this morning.

I didn’t have the balls to say that a lack of Gomez is the reason we haven’t won a game, though.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 18, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's certainly not the only reason...

… but there’s a lot going wrong right now. The SP, as noted above, hasn’t been terrible during the streak itself, but the outings are all still 6 innings or less, and the ineffectual starts before the streak put enough pressure on the BP that it started to crumble to the point that it became the most obvious reason for the losing streak….

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true, but not really new though.

At least for the 6 games at home, and he had 2 hits yesterday in the first road game during the losing streak, didn’t he?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since getting hit

He’s batting .182 (4-for-22) with one walk and only one extra-base hit (today’s HR)

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

… but he’s 2 for 8 on the road since then, which admittedly isn’t great, while just 2 for 14 at home. And, unfortunately that .143 clip, while lower than usual, isn’t all that much worse than the .222 he’s been hitting all season (essentially 1 hit difference over the 14 home at bats he got since the beaning).

Maybe it was the beaning and the time off. That makes sense, and the 2 for 8 on the road suggests it might be true. But the numbers might also just be a continuation of his home and away splits this year. The sample sizes are so small that it’s hard to tell.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey guys

I am beginning to think that the Brewers are not a very good baseball team.

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on May 18, 2010 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

At least they've got millions tied up in an ineffective bullpen, though.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

and

no Ueck announcing. Shitty year.

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on May 18, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting point.

You might be on to something.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would rather subscribe to a newsletter in which the Brewers are awesome.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the Red Sox are ringing Doug Melvin's phone off the hook

They’d love a 1B and they hate Papelbon. I’m sure Theo wants to get in on THAT kind of action.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 7:13 PM CDT reply actions  

If Melvin trades Prince for a closer (especially a declining closer)

I will be very displeased.

:(

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah.

That’s a pitch-fork and torches level bad.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't blame Melvin...Blame the players for underachieving

Here is a list of numbers for everyone to try and comprehend:

1.74
1.83
2.13
2.45
3.23
4.12
4.12

Those numbers are the ERA’s of the following pitcher respectively, at the time when Melvin signed them to their current contract: Vargas, Hoffman, Hawkins, Riske, Wolf, Suppan, and Davis.

So are you going to blame Melvin for signing pitchers with OUTSTANDING ERA’s the year prior? Are you going to blame Melvin for basing the quality of a pitcher on the statistics that measures a pitcher’s success? Who else could the Brewers have signed? Blame the pitchers who after receiving their contract, tanked and failed to deliver. Melvin has done everything in his power to improve his pitching staff and now is being blamed for it….let’s think before we blame.

Please come to your senses and realize that Melvin has done an excellent job with a unappealing city and a low payroll. Sorry we don’t buy 50% of the championships like the Yankees, I’d prefer to be righteous losers than unfair winners.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 7:22 PM CDT reply actions  

You'll get flack for citing ERA here

but I totally agree. You can’t really be angry with Melvin or find fault with the majority of the moves he’s made.

by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You can't if all you look at is ERA.

It’s not a worthless stat or anything, but there are others, some of which indicated the guys he signed were declining when he signed them. If players decline out of the blue, then you’ve got a point, but I don’t believe that’s the case for most of those guys. It’s his job to find the guys on the upswing and not the down, and he’s been pretty bad at that when it comes to pitching, no matter how much thinking you do about it.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK

So the argument is that Melvin has an irrational preference for peaking veterans when there are guys on the upswing out there for the same or less money? Or is his fault that we don’t have those upswing guys waiting in the minors?

Here’s an interesting thought: what if Melvin didn’t sign any relievers in the offseason?

by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team might be 9 games under .500 with a bullpen ERA the wrong side of 6.00?

I remember a Melvin comment along the lines of relievers having up and down cycles and looking for guys who needed to rebound – maybe around the time Mota was acquired.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since you asked...

… both are his fault. I’m pretty sure, for instance, that the pen wouldn’t have been any worse if they hadn’t spent any money and had simply promoted everyone currently in AAA to the big league pen. That’s how bad of a job he did “rebuilding” the bullpen. Monumentally bad. Historically bad. So bad that many projected the Brewers to improve dramatically simply because the pitching staff couldn’t be worse than last year. Yet our boy Doug found a way to make it happen.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please excuse my playing devil's advocate here

I’m not trying to be snarky or myopic, I’m just having a tough time seeing the connection between these dramatic underperformances and the evidence that they were actually a very likely scenario. Age can only explain so much, can’t it?

by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, no problem.

I’m not sure it was a very likely scenario, at least not for all of them to struggle and/or melt down simultaneously. But there are plenty of intelligent guys on this site that criticized the signings of Hawkins, Davis, Wolf and to a lesser extent, Hoffman, and they provided statistical analysis to support their positions that both made sense and are beyond my ability to conduct myself. The Riske signing was criticized here for it’s length, if nothing else, even before the arm injury that rendered him a non-factor for the past 18 months.

As for casuals like myself, I take a much simpler line. If you have a bad pitching staff and you try to rebuild it by spending a great deal of money and it turns out to be worse than the one you put together than the year before, you’re fired. Likely or not, it’s what he gets paid to avoid, and he failed. Twice. In the midst of a relatively short period of time in which he has one of the best 3/4/5 hitters in baseball (the only one of which he gets credit for acquiring is McGehee, which turned out to be a brilliant signing). I don’t think that’s the product of thoughtlessness, as BUCKS suggested above. To me, it makes total and complete sense. And that’s before you go back and realize that virtually every above minimum signing of a pitcher Melvin’s made in the past five years (with the exception of Hoffman last year) has been a disappointment or a disaster.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

But hey, you don't have to agree.

Not everybody does. I just don’t want that position to be regarded as thoughtless.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for making the point I was typing

Your response was much better thought out and articulated as well.

People are held accountable for results, not for decisions. It’s the way the world works, bad luck and all. He also had some very good luck on his minimum salary guys working out so it hasn’t all been bad luck on his side.

by ecocd on May 18, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

And thanks for expanding on it.

Obviously if a sentiment has legs on BCB, it’s got a lot of data to stand on – I suppose I just hadn’t really recalled there being a lot of dubious thought around the makeup of our bullpen. I’m still prowling on the boundaries of the Melvin Apologist camp, though, if only because he’s done a lot of good and it seems like his bad decisions have been exacerbated by luck and circumstance.

by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember a pretty vocal reaction to resigning Hoffman, too.

Most of it had to do with the money and how it limited the opportunities to make other moves, but there were a few folks pointing out that Hoff’s 2009 season had “OUTLIER” written all over it.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Additionally

The unreliability of relievers (and the fact that even good relievers aren’t that valuable) is one of the reasons that signing relievers to moderately large contracts is a terrible strategy. Yet Melvin’s favorite pastime seems to be acquiring unreliable, veteran relievers.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 18, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh really?

Closers aren’t valuable? They are relievers too.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paying extra $$ for a "closer" is silly.

Just because everyone does it doesn’t make it right.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know, you're habit of deliberately mistating the point others are making...

… and then attacking the fake point you’ve tacked to them, isn’t persuasive at all. Straw man arguments rarely are.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine.

Good for you. But that’s not contrary to the assertion that SRB made.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last call

Now you’re just using personal attacks. Stop it or be gone.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Can you point out a personal attack? I’m not on his side but you are taking away from the guys right to an opinion. Lets be reasonable please.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's calling people

illiterate, irrational, and unintelligent. Seems personal to me.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

He can read the thread, and put them in context.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with BUCKS

It is out of context. Who does he call illiterate? Calling somebody irrational is fine in a discussion such as this. I’m going to go out a limb and assume nobody took actually offense to anything he said. I think its time for people to grow up, some in ways different than others.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

TSSC

To answer your only question. Agreed, some people need to grow up.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

and me

although i will freely admit that I can’t spell, especially when I can’t read as I type due to bloglagg

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please don’t act like I’m not talking to you.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would I? That'd be childish.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome

You join BCB minutes after KL’s post, and the first thing you post is this?

I wonder if people ever see you and BUCKS in the same room at the same time.

by sjlee on May 19, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

we did

signup was reported from different IPs. Not sure a) how different (both subnet and geographically) and b) what about the posts themselves (as I mentioned in the thread, I can easily create accounts to BCB from 3 states [I think 4 actually] and one foreign country [UK]). But using them….that’d be a bit more difficult given lag

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the word you're looking for is "refrain"...

… if you don’t mind taking the word of an “illiterate” guy.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant to say "restrain myself"

Everyone makes mistakes…some make more than others.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take Doug Melvin, for instance.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why not both?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing.

You don’t have to agree. Melvin has his defenders and that’s fine. But suggesting that all of his critics are thoughtless bandwagon jumpers is too easy. Just as easy, in fact, as the people who do thoughtlessly call for the GM or Managers head every time their team loses a game.

Fact is there are plenty of reasons to blame Melvin for this team’s problems, and most are the product of rational, if subjective, thought. And that’s true regardless of whether you agree with the conclusions we’ve reached.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Would have been much worse, I’m sure. But Melvin won’t thank you for defending him by pointing out that a fan could do worse. That’s not the standard he should be measured by.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

How long does he get a pass after that?

And how much did he have to do with the acquisition of the talent that got them there, particularly those that were drafted by the organization? How much GM talent did it actually take to trade for Sabathia?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loose slots.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Righteous losers

are still losers. I’d rather be a righteous winner.

by brewbaybucks on May 18, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you can copy-paste

so can I

Not a good measure 1. You only looked at ERA
2. Many of those are from extremely small sample sizes (think Vargas)
3. Our payroll is middle of the pack. We may not be the Yankees, but we’re not the Pirates either.
“If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be.” – Yogi Berra
by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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I’d prefer basing the quality of a pitcher on multiple years, not just the prior year Signing players to contracts after one career year is a huge risk (see Suppan, Turnbow and Hall).
by sjlee on May 18, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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precisely you can blame him for signing players that are playing out of their mind for a single year (ie Davis) or for a couple of their early years (Hall). Somehow I think the Braun contract was justified after only one year, but maybe we’ll laugh at that in retrospect. But signing a long-time vet who had one good season to a big contract? yeah, that DOES fall on Melvin.
Also, I am also allowed to be an irrational hater. I happen to have rationalizations, but so what if I didn’t?:P
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
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Also I’d rather be unfair winners than righteous losers. Maybe that’s just me.
“If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be.” – Yogi Berra
by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

ad nauseum.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

See my remarks on the latest thread. But to rebuttal your argument.

1. ERA is the most analyzed stat by the managers, players, executives and fans. Period. But hey, lets sign guys on there WHIPS alone, that makes sense. Maybe even by just their runs, not earned runs. (what is the better stat to look at?)

2. ONE player of the seven is extremely small sample size. In fact, even Jeffrey Suppan had four solid years before his contract.

3. Exactly we’re not the Yankees, no one would blame a Yankees GM for these moves because they could have released all 7 right now with no downside.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, Rubie if you are so baseball smart...."obviously" much smarter than Melvin (sarcasm)

Who would you have signed the last three years who would have panned out. And I mean realistic contracts too. Good luck.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, your defense of Melvin is that you can't think of better moves to make?

That’s light-years beyond a weak argument.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not making some of the moves he made

would be better moves than making them.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying he shouldn't have done ANYTHING

but signing Davis wasn’t necessary, Hoffman wasn’t necessary, etc.

It’s not the moves he made or no moves at all, those aren’t the only option.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROFLCOPTER!

People were going to go nuts had Melvin not added one more starter other than Wolf.

And who would have been our closer? Should we have let Hoffman walk after a near perfect season.

Good call!

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

he DID add pitchers other than Wolf and Davis. Just because they’re in AAA doesn’t mean he didn’t add them

Wolf, Gallardo, Bush, Parra, Narveson, Loe, Estrada, Suppan (and I’m sure I’m forgetting someone)

There, that’s a Doug Davis less seven deep rotation.

and EVERYONE knew that last year was a huge fluke for hoffman. Most didn’t expect the sudden drop off (myself included), but expecting even 75% of 2009’s production out of Hoffman is borderline insanity.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Kyle...I thought it was clever myself.

Would love to see your pointless argument however.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

1) I’m pretty sure managers, players, executives, and smart fans don’t really care about ERA all that much.

2) Past is not indicative of the future. You need to take into account age, park factors, league factors, quality of opponent, leverage, etc. You can’t possibly put a pitcher in the exact same situation from year to year, therefore, you can’t expect the same results.

3) Not sure of the point of three. So I won’t answer it.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't care about ERA?

Really?
Wow, is that why it is the most popular stat for pitchers? In the Cy Young award, pitchers primarily win because of their ERA. Hmmm….maybe because it indicates how much of a chance the pitcher gives its team to win.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it doesn't.

It’s constantly ripped by smart people, and as the game and the people who cover it advance, it’ll have less and less influence on things like the CYA. It’s archaic.

Some people still use phone books, even though there’s a vastly superior alternative. Same goes for ERA.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

FIP, tRA, ERA+, pRAA...

Oh, just one? Sorry. any of the DIPS.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know you are right!!!!!!

Pitchers that have a 9.00+ era should be given a chance too!
and Pitchers with a 4.00- era should have to prove themselves otherwise.

Try again.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I agree with that

Hawkins is pitching well in spite of his high ERA. Coffey has a lower ERA, despite pitching worse.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope. Not in the least.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawkins has pitched so well that he pitched his way onto the DL

Coffey pitched horribly in ONE GAME. That is ONE GAME in 2.3 years.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. This statement isn't correct.

Good results do not imply good pitching.

Poor results do not imply bad pitching.

There’s correlation, but not causation.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Partially yes

He’s pitched well, great last year. But he hasn’t been great this year, and has gotten lucky, yes.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

During that time

Coffey lost 5 games, blew 2 saves, and gave up more runs than innings pitched 13 times.

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOUD NOISES!!!

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, you didn't even READ nullact's post.

and also, your caps lock key is next to the “a” key.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Coffey lost 5 games, blew 2 saves, and gave up more runs than innings pitched 13 times.

blew 2 saves -—> also saved our butts in 20+ games by getting out of huge jams.

and gave up more runs than innings pitched 13 times——> if a reliever gives up one run in an outing the chances are that he will give up more runs than innings….not tough to figure out. A 2.90 era should not be getting bashed on a blog.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hoffman saved us in a lot of games last year too.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're point?

That’s why Melvin signed him!!!!!

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point

is that everyone pitches good in some games. Vargas was lights out for us last year, and has been terrible this year.

My point – Past <> Present <> Future

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that Coffey did great things for us in 08 and 09

but he’s off his game a bit this season. Yes, he was a rational sign. Yes, he should remain on the team. But to suggest that he has no flaws and cannot improve seems a bit ludicrious

P.S. This blog is LAAAAAAGY

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

and I’m not trying to say I wouldn’t have signed him, I’m using him as evidence that ERA is a misleading indicator of how a pitcher is performing.

ps I’m holding up just fine, but I’m on a 64 bit machine with 32 gig of RAM. No chance I’m opening this thread when I get home.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

32 GB of RAM?

Where the hell are you, the labs at Jurassic Park?

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really want to rec this.

I’ll restrain.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll rec it for you

Because I’m immature like that.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm on my work computer.

we’d put the JP computers to shame.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Life.... finds a way...

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you think JP3 was OK?

I thought it was OK, flawed as it was. Felt bad for Sam Neill, though.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, I liked it. Waiting for JP4.

Still went downhill from the first one, but all quality films, imo.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

32 bit running XP with max memory (4GBs, which only recognizes as 3 due to XPs limitation here)

but maybe i should shut down the two astropulse tasks I have going. That’s probably contributing

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

it does indeed

puts what little food I can afford on the table…at least between coding contracts:P

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

My super computer has a TNG replicator

it makes my food for me.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I totally rec'd this.

And I’m not ashamed.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ditto

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no shame to begin with

But Earl Grey is not my favorite, so I’m not rec’ing.

Now, if you’re talking Good Earth Sweet and Spicy Tea and Herb Blend, I’m rec’ing til the cows come home.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, see I was thinking

it was rec’d because of tea choice. A Star Trek reference is completely lost on me.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've lost track of what's a reply to what

so I’ll just go ahead and rec the lot of them.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not blaming Coffey for anything

He’s been pretty steady. He screws up sometimes, but I feel pretty good about our chances while he’s out there.

That being said, he does screw up occasionally. Everyone does. Even (gasp) Ted Williams. It’s true – when he hit .400 he still made an out 60% of the time.

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Strikeouts: walks?

That one’s one of those complicated formulas, though.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

If ERA is the most analyzed stat by managers and executives.

I feel fairly confident that I could do a better job as a GM then those already in place.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be." – Yogi Berra

Yup, Yogi Berra was a real smart human being.

“Baseball is 90% mental — the other half is physical.” – Yogi Berra

Figure that one out Pags

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, Yogi Berra was/is an idiot.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Shhh.

Everyone else already knows that!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's getting very exciting in here.

I think I need some popcorn.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

How so?

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, i'm old enough

To have been the doctor that spanked your ass in the delivery room.

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Note: I kid, WSBChris...

that guy’s alright. Most of the time.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is just like "When A Stranger Calls."

How exciting. Can’t wait to see how it ends.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lines like that are the reason I'm getting sick of you.

No matter how hard you try, someone will always be wrong on the internet.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Expressing" is one way to put it.

I’m not arguing your right to express your opinion, just asking you to take a deep breath and consider the possibility that literate, intelligent people may disagree with you without being illiterate or unintelligent.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, for what its worth

This is Kyle’s site, so ‘your right’ is really ‘how patient is he with you’.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This guy is just trolling.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

While there are glimmers of sanity in with all his fervor

he’s not exactly the best ambassador for those who feel Melvin’s not deserving of dismissal over this situation.

by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Early Exit Syndrome

The fan is willing, but the team is weak

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Its comments like that which put the lie to your claim, bub.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I know what 90% of this board is...

It appears that we have a group of typical overreacting fans here. Here is a group of people that want to pretend like the Brewers have a strong farm system right now that is chalk full of pitchers. The Brewers obviously don’t have the money to go out and get the Roy Holladay’s and CC’s of the world and are forced to take risks on older pitchers. The fact of the matter is the Brewers have consistently improved record wise(accept for last year) and attendance wise under Doug Melvin. Sure I have my complaints about him(for one Macha) but overall he’s done a fine job and its crazy to blame him for the Brewers problems.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Overall, yes.

But past results shouldn’t be a pass for mistakes, nor should they be blindly rewarded without taking a closer look.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say I agreed with him, or with you.

I don’t think Melvin should get fired (yet), but I don’t think he deserves a pass. He gets some of the blame, not all of it. He shares it with the team. I don’t think he’s done a great job, but I’m not saying dump the guy.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Melvin brought this team to the playoffs.

He has also made mistakes. It’s not black & white.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one is doing that.

You’re accusing people of doing that.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who was?

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the problem, though:

The record and attendance have gone up under Melvin, but salary has also tripled. Could a replacement level GM have built what Melvin has built with the parts and resources he’s been given?

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Maybe we’re both right. Maybe he’s above replacement level but below elite."

I’d say that’s a great description.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Probably.

Maybe not. Interesting question, I’ll bet we’d get 50/50 split if this were a poll question.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

chalk? I prefer cray-pas and crayons

I believe you mean chock

in any case, I think that Melvin has done some good, but what he’s done over the past 2 seasons is worthy of dismissal

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, that sort of makes my point.

I don’t think we have a strong farm system chuck (not chalk) full of pitchers. That’s just one of the reasons I think Melvin should be fired.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's generally spelled "chock-full"

though it’s origin is “choke-full,” as in “I’m so full if I eat another bite I’ll choke.”

:)

by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

But I’m illiterate, or did you miss that portion of this thread?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets take a look at the Cubs

They have a lot higher salary than us and they suck. Same with the Mets of last year, the list goes on. You can’t just throw anybody out there. Lets be rational.

‘But past results shouldn’t be a pass for mistakes, nor should they be blindly rewarded without taking a closer look.’

Great point. I’m sure Melvin didn’t look when he was investing tens of millions into these people. I’m glad you brought your great vision to the discussion.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Ok, now you're getting personal too.
I’m glad you brought your great vision to the discussion.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not 100% convinced they're different people.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I'm leaning that way.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute.

They’re not trolls. They’re multiplying! They’re gremlins!

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Old Vegas Invasion! Bah!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, I don't think it's Old Vegas.

These kids are too young to know what a “news-paper” is.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Where are they coming from???

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah.

Should’ve raised shields.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reno

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I like this option.

Good work, Name I Can’t Pronounce.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sound it out.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tried that.

I ended up blowing a raspberry.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Use an aggressive German pronunciation.

And say it angrily (goes without saying).

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll tell you where it comes from.

It’s the label name on a rare Milwaukee funk/psych 45. According to the guy who put the record out it’s a mythical god.

Zor-ak-a-thur-a

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I kept saying Zo-ra-kat! Hoo-rah!

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just call him Zora.

Rhymes with Dora.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you high?

I’m responding to his clear personal attack of Melvin. You’ve got to be kidding me.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where did I personally attack Melvin?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh... right.

Damn, 2006 was a bad year for me.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not really saying you did...

…however if I personally attacked you than you personally attacked Melvin. I don’t think neither is the case. Somebody enjoys overrating like he has some kind of authority.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the record...

I don’t think you attacked me. But whatever.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

People are frustrated, tensions are high

and while immaturity doesn’t win debates, his point about the Cubs and Mets is valid, I think.

There’s unfortunately no statistic to measure GMs any more accurate than wins and $/win. All alternative strategies and decisions, all scrapped signings and trades, the free agent market, it all is either forgotten, impossible to know, or laden with the burden of hindsight.

I think that’s why this discussion has taken a turn for the erratic. We’re all Brewers fans, passionate and intelligent enough to be here talking about them; I think GM culpability is one of those rare spots in baseball where data can’t tell the whole story and opinion comes into the fold.

Opinions are a lot tougher to debate than stats.

by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think Mets are a good comparison.

Injuries caused that situation, not the GM.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mets

I wouldn’t exactly say they had a stacked line up last year, they had some guys that I thought were pretty obviously past their prime.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that’s why this discussion has taken a turn for the erratic.

To quote Lumbergh in Office Space: I’m gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Well I’m pretty sure this isn’t exactly a typical postgame thread.

(And I’m not quite sure what you’re disagreeing with, RQ.)

by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, that's exactly what I said!!!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also:

my vision is terrible.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly the awesomest tatoo ever.

Its the perfect combination of two of my most favoritist things.

Life is complete.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

Get out of my dreams and into my Chuckie Carr
-Molitorfan 12/23/09

by Michael M on May 19, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

BRING BACK MCCLUNG!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Chillin' in the Danbury area

I’d imagine, as he’s got the farm and everything. (No, I’m not THAT local to that part of western Wisconsin, I haven’t seen him in person)

by morineko on May 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

All the vitriol and arguments

Where have I been?

Tom H. thinks that Trevor needs to march into Keebler Ken’s office and remove himself from closing duties. Suuuuure. That’ll happen first thing in the morning.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah...

We missed you.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I probably would have earned a suspension if I'd been here earlier

Sometimes I don’t play nice with folks who don’t color inside the lines.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah.

You would’ve seen the humor almost immediately. I haven’t laughed like this in quite awhile.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Some of the things being said against Melvin are comical.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dare I say, extremely comical?

Hyper-comical?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're looking for

‘uber-comical’

That’s what the kids say these days, right?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Germans say über.

But then again, I think they get a free pass on that one.

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on May 19, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, but not in the ironic/"cool" speak way English speakers do.

“ober” used to be the actual German prefix used for that purpose, but it’s fallen out of favour, too, I think. Words starting in “über” actually tend to sound somewhat formal to German speakers.

by Zeyes on May 19, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly, but I"m currently enjoying a libation

Which, many times, impairs my inner monologue/ability to stop from typing inane shit. That may be what earns me the suspension.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

^^ This ^^

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

What Rubie said. I be slow.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was cooler when I thought you were talking about what I said

I’ll go kick my can around some more.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

likewise rubie

for the most part i’ve been entertained enough wi

speaking of past their bedtime, holy shit Zeyes is here

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay...bloglag fail

for the most part i’ve been entertained enough with this thread to stay up past my bedtime

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate music…so my “other” username is not Franzferdinand….sorry to disappoint.

I have more of a life than to make 2 accounts.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, music sucks.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a tough one...

…but I do realize you’re making ridiculous, sweeping generalizations in order to provoke response.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I hate music"

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

So does everyone else.

And to think, that used to be my job.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one attacked you.

believe whatever you want to believe.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

We disagreed. Your failure to see the difference is part of the problem.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You've got some things to work on

if you can’t handle someone disagreeing with your opinion.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

CHALLENGE!

please post something I said in this debate that is extremely irrational and laughable…I bet you can’t do it.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT reply actions  

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CHALLENGE!

please post something I said in this debate that is extremely irrational and laughable…I bet you can’t do it.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT reply actions  

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please post something I said in this debate that is extremely irrational and laughable…I bet you can’t do it.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT reply actions  

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by nullacct on May 18, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, sorry. Unintended effect.

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, now that you SAY that

I totally see it.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I SEE IT NOW.

It’s a magic eye!

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also:

Jean Luc with a good showing tonight.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every cloud has a silver lining?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

is this one of those porn ads?

i really saw some shoes I would like to purchase. I wonder if goladymall.cn has them in my size

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then speaking appropriately,

It’s past your bedtime on a school night.

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll manage

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was talking about you before

I really confused that basketball fan.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sig worthy.

“I really confused that basketball fan.”

Awesome.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point Charles

Everybody knows you can’t be a fan of two sports. Especially two that occur at opposite times of the year for the most part. Silly Bucks fans.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not a pure basketball fan.

I said I am more of a football fan. I created my profile when the Bucks were in the playoff race….Shoot me now.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

That'd be totally irrational.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

More illiterate, I'd think

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

^^^ "I bet you can't do it."

There, extremely irrational and laughable.

by Zeyes on May 18, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stop calling me a troll

My first post was nice, politically correct and provocative. I posted what I believed and everyone bashed it and myself. I defended myself and now I’m a “TROLL,” really?

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll give you this:

This is the longest conversation I’ve had with a person I knew was an NBA fan in a long while.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

too many irons in the fire?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

High school then?

The college kids are done, as far as I know.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, college is done.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

NOT ALL COLLEGES

UW-Stevens Point for example is still holding finals.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mea culpa.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

UWM has finals this week.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

Didn’t know that was actually a thing.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

same as the quarter system

(summer being the 4th quarter)

CA schools are in session until f*cking june

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn,

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes highschool...and not all colleges are done.

And don’t tell me that because I’m in high school that I am immature.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you say so.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not being sarcastic

Jordan is a senior in high school.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the best and smartest guys on this blog.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope. Jordan.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thought about it.

There’s been about a hundred possible uses though, figured I’d save it for tomorrow.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know I don't speak Spanish

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have read this blog for a long time...never felt the need to comment until now.

People are upset with this team….Fine, great etc. But, lets be reasonable and understanding and not over the top. Lets realize that a team is not built in one year and that Melvin has done everything he could to solidify the pitching.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Melvin's been around for 8 years.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Jordan for...hmm, four?

Colour me sceptical on this “long-time reader” claim.

by Zeyes on May 18, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

We differ in our opinions on that point

I think Melvin has done more harm with his $30MM bullpen than good.

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're probably right

He probably DID use LAST YEAR’S ERA to assess which pitchers would be good to sign.

And that’s why the pitching has been so terrible for so long.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why hello there!

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

i would enjoy

some of this “great tasting chicken” you all speak so highly of.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't even trace up to see where this is replying to.

I heart this thread.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me, too

I’m sure KL will show up tomorrow morning and say he should’ve closed it hours ago, but I can’t bring myself to do that now.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's quite entertaining

But the way, the “up” button is quite helpful in these situations

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've never used it.

Afraid it might be an ejector or something.

Actually, never really noticed it until now.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Please don't.

It’s made me completely forget about this losing streak

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know, I'm not going to

I think the best part is I’m out West so I’ve got even more time to follow it.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's really just person, rather than people.

I’d describe him further, but I’d probably get banned for name calling.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

And I’ll represent you, pro bono even.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gross.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beat me to it, ass

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shruggity?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think you can say 'pro bono' here

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thought so.

It just occurred to me that I might have been rude to you in real life, and I hoped that wasn’t true. Anyhoo, I get the impression we work in different circles in more than the geographic sense.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do, too.

You seem like one of those respectable attorneys.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ahh, you're a patent lawyer!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, of course

I can’t pretend I have an idea what that is.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, neither do I.

But it sounds good, doesn’t it?

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Covers private boats in domestic waters

I priced it for Arizona 3 years ago.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Among other things.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

College kids are done for the most part

I go out of state and am done. I know Eau Claire is in session, and Madison is out. Not sure about the rest.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tonight's assignment:

(1) Troll a blog.

(2) Lose an argument.

(3) Ask a friend to help re: the trolling.

(4) Continue to lose argument.

(5) STAY UP SUPER LATE!

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I miss calculus.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Just saying I miss calculus. Much rather be doing that than what I’m doing now. Actually, that’s generally not true, only when I’m still at work at 11 pm.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eeeewwwww.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's an easy calculus question

Calculate the area beneath Hoffman’s curveball.

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

rimshot.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is how you'd find the area, correct.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

Although you could do polar integration and calculate it in both directions simultaneously… But I don’t know how to do that…

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoaaaa

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fascinating

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends.

Are you the guy who said I was illiterate, uneducated and irrational?

I thought you were…

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its really OV of you to pull out ERA as a 'good reason' to sign a pitcher.

I’m not sure its ‘provocative’, but OV for certain.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Old Vegas

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Old Vegas...

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Charlie

Are you saying its not a good reason to use ERA to sign a pitcher? If your answer is yes, are you on drugs? If so can I have some?

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please read the thread.

And phrase your question in a manner that makes sense.

And stop accusing other posters of being on drugs.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's saying you have to go deeper in your analysis than ERA...

… ERA’s not a useless stat, but there are better ones that are more indicative of a pitcher’s ability and value. That’s what he’s saying, I think.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that...

the original comment only referred to last year’s ERA specifically. Talk about handcuffing yourself analytically. (That is, if I bought the notion that the argument was made in good faith…)

by Zeyes on May 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't even mention that

as using ERA as a ultimate stat in decision making is OV enough, in my book. But you’re right.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have relatives who have died because of drug addiction

Its classy for you to so flippantly toss it out there.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't accuse you of being on drugs

I asked if you were. I believe you said ‘Its really OV of you to pull out ERA as a ’good reason’ to sign a pitcher.‘. Which implies that you find it a bad reason to sign a pitcher. I can only find about one or two other reasons that could equal the importance of ERA. I think it is preposterous to say that it is a bad reason to sign a pitcher. As for your comment ’I have relatives who have died because of drug addiction’, are you personally attacking yourself? I see no reason why that is being brought up to the conversation.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It IS a bad reason to sign a pitcher

especially if it’s the only reason.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK...

So should we base it off looks? Also what does OV mean, I can’t find anything on what it could mean.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Old Vegas...

… it’s a reference to the quality of Brewer related comments on the JSOnline blogs, generally used in a derisive fashion.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go back to the JSonline comments

You’ll find many more who want to talk about ERA and batting average with you. You won’t find very many here.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe base it off of statistics

that have known predictive power, and aren’t reliant on the defense and or the stadium.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because I personally would never use drugs because I've seen the horrible degenerative effect it has

not only on one’s body, but their mind; I’ve experienced the pain associated with not knowing how to stop someone you love from killing themselves, and then you, YOU, some random guy on an internet message board ask me if I’m on drugs because you lack the ability to rationally assess a statistics actual import?

You practically write the joke yourself.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dear God

I hate to break it to you but drugs are integrated into American society. This is an extremely common comment, where I’m from anyways. I’m not sure where else you want to go with this, unless of course you want to get into some kind of political debate, which this is not the place for. I’m willing to engage either way.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

Drugs are against the law, and it is reinforced publicly and privately. Someday when you get a job at a reputable company you will likely be required to piss in a cup, and you will discover exactly how much of society participates, and how much doesn’t.

by nullacct on May 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have urinated in a cup

And some drugs are not against the law. The abuse of them is illegal, for the most part.

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your right!

Mike Burns pitched really well last year. His team really cost him his high ERA.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Burns was the best pitcher out of the pen

last season. Starting was another story.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jordan doesn't lie.

Also, prepare to be schooled.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought you read the site?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Read the site archives

If you can’t be bothered to do that, I suggest you listen to regular posters.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Experience.

And he’s not a God, he’s just smarter than you. Don’t take it personally. He’s smarter than me too, and I think I’m a pretty sharp guy. Particularly considering my illiteracy.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

haha rec

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you read the fanposts

or the front page posts?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

With only 163 front page posts, I'm easy to miss

ERA rebuttal in progress.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just post it in this thread

Each line as a new comment.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't mythologize your ban before it happens.

Plenty of time for that after. And if you lay off the name calling as you have been lately, you’ll be fine.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

… you started, and you stopped when the guy running the site told you to stop or you’d get the hook.

That’s what happened.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure KL told him...

… but maybe I’m wrong.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't know

I’ve read the site for a long time, after all.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Jordan did????

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I told him once

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to say

I’m not sure he read it. He doesn’t like to read others’ posts, it seems.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know he is the moderator now!

And……I don’t care, I will not bow down to him because in essence we are at the same level in life. We are both seniors going to Madison. He runs a blog——> great, cool, I prefer to play sports rather than blog about them.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still not getting the hierarchy here

Or what you guys were trying to say.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No one has said any such thing

except for you.

Jordan has a great ability to analyze and then synthesize statistics in a way that almost anyone can understand.

Well…except for those who choose NOT to read what he writes.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny how you want to go into journalism

And that’s what Kyle is doing. But you minimize it.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's confusing me and Kyle still

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh, I see

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

That makes it funnier.

I think. I’m not sure, I’m tired.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're not going to be happy until...

you annoy everyone with that victim act to the point that you are getting banned, eh?

(I suppose you’re already well-prepared for college, though…)

by Zeyes on May 18, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Read that as WC Fields.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, you could always go to another SBN blog and complain about the jackass that banned you.

But that wouldn’t be very original.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's always money in the banana stand.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

500 comments is nothing.

We’re pushing 1000.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

ERA answers the question

How many runs did the pitcher and defense give up over an average span of nine innings, while pretending that plays arbitrarily judged to be errors did not occur?

ERA is very dependent on factors outside of the pitcher’s control. Team defense plays a major role, as much as a half a run in ERA for a starting pitcher in a year. Luck, or random chance, or what you want to call it, also plays a major role. The park a pitcher pitches in is also a big factor, it’s undeniable that pitching in Petco produces a lower ERA than pitching in Arlington. Finally, it’s not reliable over the course of the season and does not stabilize quickly.

If you want to evaluate a pitcher, focus on things he can control: walks, strikeouts, fly ball allowed, ground balls allowed. Metrics that will help you do this easily are Ground ball percentage, strikeouts, and walks. Cumulative ERA-scale metrics like FIP and tRA take into account these things and give you a nice, ERA-style number that’s easy to interpret.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I won't give you the satisfaction of actually reading your ramble.

If you are soooo smart and are getting your college paid for….may I ask where you are going and how it is being paid for….Are your grandparents paying for it…if so congrats.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

My sides hurt.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You can always pick out the mature smart folks...

… by watching for the guys who refuse to read the argument they get in response to their stated position and go straight for the ad hominem attack.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I didn't feel like reading it because I talked about and supported my opinion prior.

Now it has turned into a free-for-all and it is tough to go back. Especially when no on accepts your stance on something.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMG!

He’s Mike Walker!

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm flagging myself...

… and feel free to sub in Jim Doyle for Walker’s name.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

isn't it scott?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure it is, in retrospect.

I failed on at least 3 levels with that one. At least I spelled OMG right.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Literacy is hard.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It is.

But I’ll keep trying.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

They have programs, you know.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

favorite sign of all time (markee)

“Learn to Read Here”

at the Madison Area Literary Council office on park ave

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

interesting.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

is Madison good for Journalism?

I’m assuming so…but don’t know.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's good

but it’s not the best in the Big Ten ;)

by MillerParkSouth on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is Madison the best in the Big 10 at anything?

Honest question.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Drinking.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

True

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Home basketball games.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

the anthony witrado skool of jornalism

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

The problem is

Claiming ERA is a good stat to assess a pitcher’s talent, let alone justify giving a contract, is NOT an opinion. Its actually willful ignorance. Particularly given that Jordan took the time to tell you why ERA is bad to use in that regard.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd. With all my usernames.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a thought though.

I want to see more of my comments greenified.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take R Quevedo.

Charlie, you take Chuck M.

Mykenk — you’re on your own.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

A team of recing sock puppets...

… otherwise known as the Cub fans at the other BCB.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

dammit

I was going to post a Cubs wow earlier, too

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Green'd

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh boy

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

No no, the Scot left!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

which is why Todd Wellemeyer sucks on the road

Not that it’s particularly relevant to a Brewers conversation, but that’s the first example that comes to mind.

by morineko on May 18, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

So hope

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sweet see you there!

Tough to get full-ride scholarships non-athletically.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did just say tuition, not full ride

But thanks anyways.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

What kind of scholarship is it?

Most are not even close to full ride.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why bother when you can try to display your epeen about the college your going to

…to a bunch of folks who have either attended, currently attend or are going to attend said college and/or an equivalent place of higher learning?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

epeen? Really?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, it makes me chuckle

so does ‘butthurt’, but I don’t want to get in trouble.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Snicker.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

On this thread, you should be.

If this sucker isn’t 30% green by morning they should just pull the rec button altogether.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not really.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're not a moderator, you're the king! Or is it God.

I forget.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about Poet-God-King...

… or Nero, for short.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, I'm calling Jordan "Tut" from now on.

The Boy King, now and forever.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 19, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Braggart

Don’t be illiterate.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Come on.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lame.

I think there’s a Lincoln quote about fools that applies.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some poor bastard is going to get up tomorrow

see 700 comments on the post-game thread, and wonder: “What the hell? Did they go through the farm system from A to Z last night?”

No. No, we did not.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:14 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

We could.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I said we could.

We won’t.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

SHHH!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you SEEN the man's dirt squirrell?

Its as impressive as a Brillo pad.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I want Axford and Melvin in a 'stache off.

Loser leaves town match.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

See, that's PROBABLY an awesome idea

but I haven’t been able to watch a game for a while, and I haven’t seen this newly-mustachioed Axford.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

omg

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's pretty impressive.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually I got home at 10 PM Pacific, saw 1300 unread comments.

My eyes bugged out, and then I started scrambling through the internets to find out if Melvin and Macha had been fired, Suppan cut, and Hoffman cut/DLed.

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on May 19, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was figuring that too

when it was 400 or so i figured something must have gone down, but then again no one fanshat

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am a senior...Last two weeks.

I’m not worried about being rested up for school sorry. I am already admitted to a college and am more worried about that. Thanks for your concern though.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Shouldn't worry about it.

Freshman and Sophomore years at most colleges are jokes. Where are you going, if you don’t mind me asking?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

god...

I hope I don’t have to instruct you

oh, good…you said madison. although you soil my alma mater with your presence

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Atrocities? Really?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ranks up there with World War II, I guess.

Perception is reality?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only entirely voluntary...

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

This thread is making my head hurt the morning after, and somehow I can’t resist the urge to read the rest.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 19, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec

I laughed

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call that an "atrocity"

But if you want me to re-phrase, stop making yourself a victim. I suggest you check the archives of this site to find many reasons why relying on ERA alone is a poor argument. Also, becoming familiar with the usual discourse of this site would be beneficial.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good choice.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, that's where my degree is from!

Now we have something in common!

Wait…no we don’t.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mine too.

Two of them, in fact. Hopefully he doesn’t come out as illiterate as I apparently did… :)

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

They didn't let me in

Stupid foreign language requirement. Oh well. My 100,000 went elsewhere.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah what do you need 2 years?

High school language classes are typically a joke anyways.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

I, unfortunately, ignored it, and took real classes in high school. Oh well. Live and learn.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow 100,000?

Sucker

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rounded up.

To the nearest 100K.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was it worth it?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

College never is.

Could train a monkey to do my job.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite

but a reasonable approximation.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

They still allow that???

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not if you're from Wisconsin and do it right

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scholarships, AP credit, not taking 5 years to graduate, making smart housing choices...

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Over the line?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be, haven't looked in awhile.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm actually going to be paying just $350 a month next year.

Which isn’t bad at all. About $2000 less than the dorms.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

5 years?

I took 6 for my two degrees

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was in school for 7.

Just for access to equipment.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Film

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a nice house.

It wasn’t paid for from film, but with an even more worthless degree. Music.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, no way

Granted it was 12 years ago when I started, but I only ended with 30k in loans.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

20 mil?

Er…

Tuition+books is NOT 20k/year.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....I'm already looking at dorm costs, books, eating, tuition and other aspects.

And have found that it will be 20k a year roughly….Like I said…I would know seeing as I am already applying for sufficient loans.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're out of state then?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good to see they're finally passing the buck to the students

I don’t have to pay your way with my taxes anymore. Huzzah!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Huzzzzzzzzah!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would know as I have already applied for loans and received said loans.

It’s not $20,000 a year. Have fun getting the refund checks. It will be nice until you realize that you are losing money on those checks because of the interest you will be paying.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ted Simmons Speed Camp

I did not call you illiterate…I said the things you were posting were illiterate as in I could not read or understand some things you were getting at. It was in no means a personal attack.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You used the wrong word, then

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh me too

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

O.K.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go on...

They probably weren’t “dumb” because you usually have to be quite intelligent to get accepted there. Like a 3.7 gpa and higher and a 26 ACT and higher.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

26 ACT is easy

and a high school GPA is simple to manipulate. Our valdictorian was one of the dumbest girls I knew.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

True...there is a lot of grade inflation in high schools.

But saying a 26 on the ACT is easy is rather debatable. Madison’s standards are by far the toughest in the state. So as a generalization, you have to be “smart” to go there.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Madison’s standards are by far the toughest in the state.

Definitely true.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose you would know this more than most.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw this shirt once in a shop on State Street

It said

“No one gives a shit about your high school GPA”

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I say that everytime

a resume for an internship comes across my desk, right before I shred it.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of what?

He’s starting his first year at the school I got my degree from.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Charlie Marlow

What dorm did you stay in?

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did not live in the dorms

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to disrespect your future school.

It’s not that hard. Also GPA ≠ intelligent.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not that hard...thats impossible to say. It goes from person to person.

I had to earn my GPA my working my ass off in tough advanced and AP classes. I took the ACT two times to achieve a high score. Don’t tell me that it is not hard to get in. It changes from person to person.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it sucks that they use GPA

Because of people like you and I.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

A for effort

C+ for execution. Had potential.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

What school will that GPA get you into?

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Madison

just supplement it with a lot of bullshit “classes” like graphics, arts, woodworking, autos, and gym, and it’ll jack that GPA right up there.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

those classes have their place as well

but in terms of a madison education are not so well placed. But the best cla

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pags died mid post again.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay...attempted browser switch...

best classes I took while enrolled at UW were not at UW but rather MATC

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

AP classes weren't tough when I took them

sure there was a fair amount of homework

but yeah, it’s quite possible times have changed

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

AP Classes were easy. AP Exams, not so much.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

word to the debatably wise

It’s better to take those classes at the college level and not skip ahead. I had 5s on all my AP exams and getting the bonus credits slowed me down in some respects

would have been better off taking them one at a time.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Counterpoint

having 8 APs under my belt let me take a lot more classes I was interested in and avoid taking a bunch of low level prereqs.

by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't find that to be the case so far

I got 5 on history and was well into the 5s on the practice test for psych.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still boasting eh....

I could post all of my high school achievements too…However I do not feel the need. Perhaps you need more in life than just cyber friends.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty douchey response

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Where was he bragging?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

^this^

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's totally unnecessary

Again, someone posts his opinion, and you take it as a personal attack. I think we’ve got enough data points to call this a trend, anyone concur?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

YES!

Someday I will leave my basement and stop furiously typing on mom’s computer. Never mind then I thought the tests were really hard.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"AP classes"

I thought you said earlier that your school only offered one.

by sjlee on May 19, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had a 3.25 GPA.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can people please stop saying that I should or will be banned?

I think I have been quite reasonable…In fact more people have ripped me personally than I to them.

by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Who's said that?

Also, who has ripped you personally? If you’re claiming you haven’t ripped anyone personally, than certainly no one has ripped you.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

We've all been nice lately

Plus, I can’t find them. Also, disagreement <> ripping. Still.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I missed it...

.. but the only discussion of banning I’ve seen (aside from you and Franz bringing it up) were when you were actually violating rules and KL cautioned you. Relax.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

My parting words

I accept that this is probably my last post to this website; I would assume the admin will find something that I did wrong, even though I do not believe I did anything wrong. I would expect that many of you will be getting the boot with me and other pro-Melvin people here. If some of you that have continuously attacked myself and other pro-Melvin posters aren’t booted than I would assume this be an incredibly biased and worthless board and I will stop reading it. It is a shame of you take a competitive team for granted, especially in a small market. It is just time to realize that we had a farm system that was not equipped with good pitching. That is probably nobodies fault, just bad luck.

I’d say its time for some to quick personally attacking people and for others to quit pointing fingers at people who are constructively criticizing them. I hope everybody here learned something from this attacking of pro-Melvin individuals.

From Scotland with love,
Franz Ferdinand

by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

kkthxbye

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too many wrongitudes with this to reply to.

No one’s getting banned.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love your country Franz.

Personally, I’ll be surprised if anyone gets the hook out of this thread. Most of the worst stuff happened with KL was still around and he could have yanked them then if he wanted to. Time will tell, I guess.

Oh and, Melvin sucks.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

TL;DR

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

"From Scotland"?

Well, that settles it. I guess he DIDN’T know the other guy. They’re a whole ocean apart.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm just a dork at the matinee

my friends were into every Glaswegian band with an international presence at one point; there’s only so much Belle and Sebastian one can listen to, especially since I’m the one who got stuck explaining “Piazza, New York Catcher” to them.

by morineko on May 19, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. Follow your own advice, please

Thanks. Good luck finding your echo chamber.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

This has been great fun

A nice distraction from the SUCKNESS of losing eight in a row. I leave you with

Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

by nullacct on May 19, 2010 12:04 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I've cleared tomorrow mornings calendar

and replaced it with re-reading this thread.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:05 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I have a sneaking suspicion that this thread will be removed/deleted. Tis a shame. As frustrating as it has been, it will be rather entertaining to re-read.

Let’s remember some of you debated that Hawkins was better than Coffey.
Then said Coffey is okay and so was Hoffman at times.
And then I said that was my point and confused you guys….good times, good times.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

You should get an English degree and then an MFA in creative writing.

This is where your talents lie, padawan.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hawkins is better than Coffey so far this year. Coffey is also okay. Those aren’t mutually exclusive. And my “Hoffman was okay” comment was referring to last year, which 99.99% of people have accepted as a fluke.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Last year was a fluke?

How about the 20 previous…all flukes?

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't 42 with no command 20 years ago.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fluke

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

not like you're going to read this, but

Hoffman’s 2009 was even an outlier for Trevor Hoffman, especially because his previous seasons showed some signs of decline. I think most of us expected Hoffman to regress to 2007-08 levels, at the least, but we weren’t expecting this.

by morineko on May 19, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

RIDE BIKES!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd tell my friends too if I had any

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I assume you are talking about Vargas'? correct

Okay fine, forget Vargas and take the other 6 pitchers. I don’t care, it’s still the same point.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

In general: it is not possible to successfully determine how good a pitcher is by looking at 20 innings of ERA.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

And most people don't

People are saying Coffey was bad last year because he lost 5 games. He had a 2.90 era over a whole year. He pitched great last year. There you go.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

They’re saying this year he hasn’t pitched as well as his ERA indicates (or indicated) and has pitched less well than Hawkins. He did pitch well last year. I know this, but not because of his ERA.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha

oh rec! sweet, sweet rec!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh really he hasn't pitched well this year?

Besides being our most reliable late-inning closer. He had one bad game. ONE, and we are acting like we run (no pun intended) Suppan out there whenever Coffey enters. Pathetic to debate.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is that even an unintentional pun?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's not punny.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

for someone seeking a Journalism degree

he sure has a poor grasp of the English language.

Anthony, is that you?

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I assume you mean Anthony Witrado?

How do I have a poor grasp?

You think a lot of 18 year olds have a better grasp than me?

Some don’t even know the difference between “there” “they’re” and “their”

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neither do you, you've messed it up at least once in this thread, that I can recall.

Probably more.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is a personal attack

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope. Just doing what I was asked to do.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't personally attack me by disagreeing with my opinion

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Offensive.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Braggart.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

English, is it?

I’ll bet you’ve heard my name before, then.

I know you’ll run over to the goggles.com and look it up. The internets are fun.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

There a bunch of idiots

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny Jordan.

You should be rather embarrassed that I am attending the same university as you next year. They must let a lot of “idiots” in.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

christ...

i just read my own post as “I died at the ripe age of 18” and became suddenly concerned about my health.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ghosts that come back to haunt comment threads...

… get all the cool ghost chicks. Like Amelia Earhart and Joan of Arc.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is now

a bad time to point out how well Suppan’s pitched out of the pen? (best bullpen tRA on the team)

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're not saying he's bad.

We’re saying he hasn’t pitched as well as Hawkins. They both have been solid this year.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

HAWKINS SUCKED THIS YEAR.

Are you kidding me. He blew like 3 straight games he pitched in.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

2

and those were his only poor outings in which he wasn’t hurt. Maybe you should pay more attention. Every other outing has been good.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

But I mean Todd Coffey blew two games last year!!!

That means that he didn’t pitch as well as his ERA states…..HAHAHAHAHAHA sarcasm

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coffey had four blown saves in 2009

Is that a personal attack or not?

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, the DIPS says he didn't pitch as well as his ERA states

the outcome of the games don’t really have a say in that.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….. fact.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't say DIPS

he might think that’s a personal attack

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quite using DIPS and start watching games

He would come in, in bases loaded jams and get out of it. He had a 5 out save in New York that. He was our closer at the beginning of the season (after Villa). Maybe you should watch the games instead of using DIPS.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't missed a game in 2 years.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny internet arguments.

The fallacy link is next.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

in all fairness

I thought this until earlier today too (other than the 3 in a row bit)

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but once it was pointed out to you,

 you accepted that maybe you might have been a little harsh, no? Or were you irrational and childish about it?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

PITCHERS DO NOT CONTROL THEIR ERA

They have some influence, but do not control it. I hope the capitals make that easy and short, and hopefully you are able to read the whole thing.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

What stat gives you a pitchers effectiveness without any influence....none!

even if you do balls in play, plays that should be made, etc. It doesn’t matter. There will always be outside influences that’s what makes the game so great. It’s a team game.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

So, you know NOTHING about advanced stats.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is impossible to know how effective a pitcher can be.

I don’t care what advanced stat you use. Sure you can give me a number rounded to the hundredths that shows a pitchers quality without their defense involved. And you know what? I don’t care, because fielders are part of the game. Luck is part of the game. Get over it.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

Fielders ARE part of the game. Which is why you can’t use ERA to judge pitchers, because they’re not going to have the same fielders in year N as they did in N-1. Use ERA to judge a team. You can’t use it to justify signing a pitcher.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

let me extend that a bit

when you sign a pitcher, you don’t sign all the fielders that were behind him and bring his stadium. You sign him and him alone.

The point in removing other players from the equation is then you can evaluate who the best candidate is for the pitching job – then you do the same with the other positions on the diamond (but there you consider offense and defense) and build a team.

I suppose it doesn’t stop there – there’s the psychology of the players to consider as well and the overall “makeup” of the squad.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know luck is a big part of the game

So is defense. That doesn’t mean I give up trying to determine which pitchers are best and just say fuck it lets run a bunch of guys out there. FIP isn’t going to rank every pitcher perfectly in terms of skill. But by looking at a variety of numbers and observing, one can analyze and learn more, and then form a better idea about what the team should do and what baseball is all about.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why build a house with a hammer when you've got a nail gun?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's impossible to know!

fuckin’ magnets, how do they work?

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you familiar with FIP and tRA

I’ll keep it simple, but FIP is strikeouts, walks, and home runs allowed on an ERA scale. tRA takes the average run value for a line drive, fly ball, ground ball, walk, and strikeout to come up with a number of runs that should have been allowed per 9 innings. Outside factors have little influence on either. Why do you think we like them so much?

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

WHICH ONE?!?!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

You like them because it gives you a definite number.

It means nothing….NOTHING. Errors happen. They happen for ALL pitchers and all teams.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

....

And they have nothing to do with how well someone pitched.

That’s the point.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

First off I base how good a pitcher is by actually watching them.

Next I look at ERA.

Why?

Because it is the most available stat and it gives a good indication of how good a pitcher is (not perfect, but what is?). I don’t need these crazy formulas to figure out how good a pitcher is. I guess you guys do.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're on the internet

EVERY stat is available.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A list of pitchers sorted by strikeouts per inning

will give you a more logical ranking based on skill than a ranking of ERA. Don’t tell me that strikeouts are a crazy formula or hard to find.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're also failing to realize

that we are the type of people interested in baseball enough to write a lot on a website about baseball. We’re not going to stick with ERA and say fuck it call it a day. That was a couple of decades ago.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

yes, ERA is the most accessible

and is a good starting point, but isn’t a be-all end-all stat like you’re saying it is.

It could be worse…he could be prattling on about how W-L is the best stat ever.

Everyone here is acknowledging that ERA has SOME value, at least in a slightly modified form.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Soo...

I’ve missed a hand full of games over the past 5 or 6 years. What’s your point? I still thought signing Hoffman in 2009 was an ill-advised move. He had an absolutely phenomenal year. But, based on the statistics from 2008 in a more hitter-friendly environment, I projected him to regress in 2010. I didn’t predict him to Turnbow, but that’s what’s happening.

I’ll bet you thought, just using your eyes in 2009, that Hoffman was going to repeat his 1.80 ERA, right?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

and they have nothing to do with the pitcher at all.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

just because baseball isn't deterministic

doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to assess likely outcomes given past data

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are an idiot

That was a personal attack.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh, I'm significantly smarter than you

Of that I have no doubt.

I just wanted to let you know when I was personally attacking you. So you didn’t get all confused-like again.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stop trying to put words in others (my) mouth

No one said Coffey was bad. He’s not pitching that well THIS YEAR. He pitched well last year (and I’m not using ERA to back that up). His ERA was a little exaggerated, but he did pitch well last year. It’s even more exaggerated this year.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awww, bromance?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a mancrush on Robert Downey Jr.

Do you think he will have a whisky with me?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got sad when he discovered the new element

I wanted to be the one to do it for him.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

um...try reading it again

or do you need us to copy-paste it to the bottom of the thread so you can find it?

Jordan: fanshot?

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Enjoy yourself.

Might want to get some coffee.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK then.

Didn’t have to wait until morning.

Evenin’, Zeke!

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 19, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Glad I happened to drop in tonight

And I can’t say I planned to stay up till this hour but it’s been worth it for the interesting discussion.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tried to leave 90 minutes ago.

Like a black hole.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yellow?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Never mind.

You have to know DM for it to be as funny as I find it.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought you were using

“I really confused that basketball fan”

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Hmmm… decisions, decisions.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

This whole thread should be renamed...

…. I really confused that basketball fan.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sigh.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

confused about confusion

okay…i’m tired, but that’s enormously funny right now

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok.

I don’t think I did. It’s a reference to a comment made by someone else above that I found funny.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

The antagonist.

One of them.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I wouldn't bother trying

pretty much everyone is still here.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Franz left.

I kind of liked that guy. I disagreed with him, but he wasn’t a dick about it.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was just a dick to me

So, you have your foil and I have mine.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

It’s tough to catch everything.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was prickly.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I joined late

And I’ve been here for over 600 comments.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I left for a half hour and came back.

Like an hour ago.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you've been gone?

I haven’t kept up well, and i’ve been here since comment 250 or so

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

disagree

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

dumb

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll join you.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

ditto

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

gonna need more than 1

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

you’re right. Now let’s work on making the day 28 hours long.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why did I casually log on to BCB 6 hours before work starts?

I just can’t look away…

I know this has been said, but I’ve couldnt be more positive that Franz and BUCKS are one in the same.

by LosinCatmansLove on May 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT reply actions  

I think we can bank

On the mug being late tomorrow morning as KL reads this entire thread and hopefully gets as much enjoyment as I am.

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

The mug is just going to be a collective scolding.

Nobody will comment because everyone will be serving a suspension.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Definitely likely.

Or we’ll have broken SBNation by then.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

nah, I think they can handle it

McCovey Chronicles runs 1200+ comment threads all the time, and they’re still around.

by morineko on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what the signature really meant

But that reminds me of Lavender’s old signature about penalty minutes for hijinxing.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Man

This is some entertaining stuff. I’m sure glad I decided to check the site before I went to bed…over an hour ago.

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I truly did not intend for this. I posted my argument left for over 2 hours and casually checked again.

I came back to crazy remarks, and suggestions. Along with attacks towards me. I defended them.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Note to JimiBrewha

BUCKS doesn’t know what an “attack” actually is.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

And, when confronted with evidence that disproves said argument, actually gets defensive

rather than ‘defends’ anything.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let him decide for himself.

Tis rather obvious who is correct.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed it is.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you.

I thought it might be dual for a while, but I no longer believe that.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whew! You've been cleared!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

heh

i could easily create SBNation accounts in 3 different states + another country without breaking a sweat if I wanted.

and that’s without even masking IPs

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

As an innocent bystander...

If there is such a thing on this site. After reading this entire thread I have to say that there seems to have been a little antagonizing from both ends, however I think it is pretty well rooted in a valid discussion regarding the merits of ERA. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but on here you’re not going to get anywhere spouting your own opinion without taking in the merits of others opinions as well. Case in point, They are doing an excellent job of breaking down the benefits and deficits in ERA above and I think it can enlighten all baseball fans knowledge of the game by understanding those merits.

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope no one uses this thread for any sort of enlightenment any time soon.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Really? That's all it takes at 1 AM?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bah. Can of worms.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

damn...

it was a trap and I almost lured you in

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

FEAR ME

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was hilarious

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alright, I'm going to bed.

Work tomorrow.

Thanks for the laughs, guys.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:39 AM CDT reply actions  

no fair

i’m on the east coast

you’re not allowed to go to bed before me wench!

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whats the post number at?

Let’s just agree to stop arguing. It’s pointless. There, the “troll” is tired and needs to get up early tomorrow. Sorry guys.

Nobody wants to read through thousands of posts…even Jordan.

He is smart enough evidently that he could read through all of them in seconds. From what I heard.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:41 AM CDT reply actions  

How much can we bog this thread down

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

So much so that I can't see that.

I’m still on a supercomputer (should probably go home, come to think of it), so no bogging for me.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh My Kenk

you were saving that one, weren’t you?
Rec’d

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, I used it already once

WAY back there…

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

and my uses are only to mock him,

I’m not 12, and wouldn’t post something that stupid normally.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

1200+ comments?

What the hell just happened here?

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Not much.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two of them, to be specific.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're an idiot

and I’m smarter than you. Because I have a degree from UW-Madison. And you don’t go there. If my dad was still alive, he’d beat your dad up.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I will be going there...so your point?

Intelligence is not measured in schooling…In fact intelligence and smartness can not be measured at all.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Intelligence is not measured in schooling…In fact intelligence and smartness can not be measured at all."

I’m not so sure. That sentence does a pretty good job at measuring intelligence.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec-ity

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

OH, you've never conversed with me

I’m simply drunk and leaning towards bed right now.

We shall fight another day

Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Did you know, that ERA is used to decide the quality of a pitcher, Noah? Also, it should be used to determine who gets big contracts.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you know you're fucked trying to respond to an argument, don't bother reading it...

Especially if it’s like 3 paragraphs long. And if you’ve spent 1000 comments debating it already.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Look up the word sarcasm.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, there's nothing sarcastic about Jordan's post

Its just…true.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well isn't that a brilliant idea.

And exactly the reason I reference it often is game thread write-ups.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everything is all out of place for me.

The new comment box is ABOVE this thread.

All we need now are some .gifs!

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep, same here.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

YES

didn’t think anyone would make that connection other than me. And as JAMOOL once said, WTF, Why can’t I rec my own post?

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ray Allen....The Tractor....Glenn Robinson Light it UP LIght It UP

I hardly remember that….in fact I don’t at all…but have seen it on youtube lol

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is one of the best compliments I have ever recieved.

Thank you, sir.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where the hell have you been?!

He’s going to our school!

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wanted to live in Asparagus

but I couldn’t get in there.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's Sellery.

And judging by this thread, you’ll fit in well there.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a personal attack

I take offense to that as a randomly placed freshmen years ago.

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Aww, I'm sure you were one of the good ones.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was sarcasm wasn't it

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm offended

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're offended?

I’m offended that your offended.

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

i was assigned to Ogg East one year

I camped out at the housing office for about 5 days until they changed my assignment to Tripp

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Celery

is not spelled that way in terms of UW-Madison, just for reference and not trying to be an asshole.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excuse me.

But I was being sarcastic with the spelling. It will take time for you to realize my sarcasm.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh heh heh.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

because I know what will happen to you in the showers there

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I was clicking my house so very quickly trying to rec this.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or mouse.

But my house too.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

How is that sarcasm?

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

JUST ACCEPT IT

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Accept what?

All my relatives have roomed in “celery” and I plan to as well. I knew how to spell it correctly…sorry?

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why is this thread making me so happy?

I haven’t even read, like, any of it.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

We should do this more often.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, you know what I meant.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

It will take time for you to realize.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is quite illiterate

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, which one is sarcastic?

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

GAH!

System’s failed!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Back to the drawing board

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

New job. Hanging out with the girlfriend.

If I had known this was going to happen, I would have been glued to my computer. I have no idea how there are this many posts.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was some

time space continuum talk back there somewhere. That might have something to do with it,

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

How could you possibly have a girlfriend if you write for BCB?

We’re not allowed to have friends. They said so.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crap.

I should delete that before they find out.

Uhmm…She’s a figment of my imagination! She doesn’t actually exist! I haven’t actually left my basement since I became a contributor….I’m just so lonely….

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

It didn't appreciate me trying to buy it a drink.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's just late enough that that passes as acceptable in my book.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

God damn.

I’ll update the counter when everything calms down a little

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

6 hours? Lucky.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

So on a more serious note, what happens tomorrow?

Hoffman out of the closer’s gig?

Suppan released?

Macha fired?

I would think some sort of news will come out in order to take peoples’ minds off the losing.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 12:51 AM CDT reply actions  

1. replace with Coffey

2. No to Suppan he has done “relatively well” and they won’t eat his contract

3. Yes, please

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

COFFEY SUCKS WIENER

FIP told me so.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eww.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Now that's using your DIPS, Jimmy"

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on May 19, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

1) No way
2) Legitimate.
3) Possible.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta do our part

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Should I bow down to NoahJ too?

I will be so inferior to everyone at school next year. (sarcasm for Jordan)

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:52 AM CDT reply actions  

What about for the rest of us?

PS: I thought you were leaving?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

We should come up with a universal symbol to denote your sarcasm, like a ~ at the start of the post

Noah: you should just set aside an hour or two tomorrow to read this top to bottom. It’s legendary.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will probably be doing just that.

I mean, I have to keep up on the TWSS counter.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would appreciate that.

Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1

by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good lord

Your parents should pay for a shrink, not college.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's personal

but it’s not an attack, it’s good advice

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

not everyone

just anyone i would willingly associate with

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

We'd be on the 4th one.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

doesn't matter.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

HIS TUITION IS BEING PAID FOR!!!!!

It was already being flaunted in your face enough today.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

ITS ON THE BANNER AT THE TOP OF THE SITE

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

And by enough, he means not at all.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can we not suck up to him?

What do you get out of it?

A new cyber friend?

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't even know the guy

I like his work, and I respect his opinion.

And he hasn’t bragged, he’s stated a fact. Lots of ’em, actually.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously you don't know him.

Hopefully I get the chance to next year!~

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously?

I know a few people from the site IRL… not many, but it’s silly to assume I don’t know everyone here. It’s not anonymous.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it might have to be the Wednesday Morning Spliff

I could use one if I wasn’t on the job search.

Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thankfully, I wrote the Mug first, then started reading this.

Then left for a shower, breakfast and errands, and came back. Getting ready to take another break from it for lunch.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 19, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was a time I was just hoping this thread would get to 1000.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm excited to go to ged and wake up to another 1000 by morning

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ged?

bed too

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tomorrow I am going to count the number of rec's on this thread.

Anyone up for an over/under?

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Why thank you Noah!

I wish I could have two roommates next year at Madison!~
Maybe we could live in an apartment together!~
Go to weekend games!~
Discuss sports!~

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Weren't you leaving a half hour ago?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kinda.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

This sounds enjoyable.

Call me.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

This thread is ridiculous.

Glad to have fueled it a lil. Long live the General Moustache!

by MillerParkSouth on May 19, 2010 1:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I think we broke the internet though

The sidebar is in a funny place.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 1:01 AM CDT reply actions  

As is the

new comment box.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, jinx!

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

sup.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

As is the new comment box.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cool...now to officially catch up.....

Suck up to the Moderators….I guess it’s really fun….It makes you feel all tingly inside.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's just gonna get lost here.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

It makes me feel all tingly inside.

No ~.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know

I was a little surprised by the ending though. There were at least 4 different occasions where I was positive someone was at least getting a temporary ban with the way things were shaping up…

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kyle doesn't seem to be around.

The banhammer might come down tomorrow.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh.

This guy’s being antagonistic and is poor at arguing, but we’ve been baiting him, certainly. We’ve had some fun here and the discussion would’ve been decent if he would’ve read my response.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I discussed with people prior to your post.

I also commented on how it is just part of the game….Errors happen….Non-perfect fielding happens (Jody Gerut ehm), slow players happen, bad swings happen, lucky pitches happen. It is all part of the game.

ERA gives me a solid indication of a pitcher. If a pitcher is good, he will do fine even without good fielding. I don’t need all the “perfect” stats, because baseball isn’t perfect. Even in perfect games.

There hope I cleared it up for you. I am not just on here to cause a scene.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

but we’re trying to measure pitchers ability. Not pitcher + fielders ability. ERA is okay for the latter, not the former. The former is what needs to be measured when giving out contracts.

Oh wait, we’ve already been over this 425 times tonight.

If he’s not going to get it, he’s not going to get it.

Also, irrational dig at Jody Gerut.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't use names like latter and former

or he might think you’re talking about the lead guy of a construction firm scaling the project

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a saber-centric blog.

You are probably not going to find many people here who agree with you about ERA. Many great baseball minds have shown why it is a flawed statistic. I do not believe this needs to be rehashed.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, we wasted about 1400 comments then.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think this was the best possible use for those comments.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

True.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I pasted this into word to make sure it doesnt get lost in the internets

and its 284 word pages

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 1:05 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Fantastic.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're going to need to update that.

I don’t think this is even close to being done.

Also, if it’s lost, I am relying on you to send me a copy.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ain't that the truth.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gross.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was test piloting fighter jets earlier prior to wrestling alligators.

This is just what I do in between.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

get a ife, broseph

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

srs bsns

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now I really am going to bed.

Took me half an hour just to go through and rec the comments that deserved it.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 1:08 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Why would I need other sports?

I’ve got baseball.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I will send you five dollars if you can tell me the reason he said WOW~!

This does not apply to anybody else, by the way.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy money

given he’s a long time reader.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you're gonna be sleepy in school tomorrow.

at least I can stay home.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is the answer

Link

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Please. I feel like we can be on a first name basis.

Feel free to call me Noah.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your real name is Noah!?!?

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I feel it was the appropriate time to reveal that.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, we've all bonded in this thread.

Wait.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

not sure, you're the smart one.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

obv.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Psht, we blew by that hours ago (maybe not).

Enjoy it. Seriously, it’s the most pseudo-brewer related fun I’ve had in a long time.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I pray this hits 2000.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

mmmmmm mud puppy porter

If you refresh the page, the new comment box goes lower

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 1:18 AM CDT reply actions  

It will heal stronger than ever.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe it's not

I guess I was being sarcastic

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

The First Rule of BUCKS Club:
  1. If your ignorance is outed by a more intelligent individual on the internet, ALWAYS claim you were being sarcastic. Actual sarcasm not necessary.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I feel like I must compliment Jordan and Noah (i learned!~)

Congrats on being accepted into Madison…You must have gotten lucky.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Likewise!

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, another nonsensical personal attack

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good one.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

it was a joke

I’m roflmao’ing as we type.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

As a joke?

I already stated that.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've got a joke!

Jeff Suppan’s contract!

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOLLERSKATES!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I bet you didn't think it was a joke at the time

But then again you probably just started watching the Brewers two years ago.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

you may think that

by my responses on the thursday thinkers

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have fully admitted to liking the Jeff Suppan contract when it was announced.

That was back when I still actually used ERA as a relevant statistic.

And I actually haven’t watched the Brewers play baseball yet. All I have are spreadsheets.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, his FIP was 4.70.

If I knew about advanced statistics then, I would have probably been really pissed off at the deal.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

That’s 5th starter, 1 year, 3 mill stats.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's minor league callup league minimum stats.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

3 mil?

that’s like 1/7 of the UW annual tuition!

by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

SAT is more for schools on either coast.

ACT is better for Madison.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I took both.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well then.

i actually wonder if that helps. Maybe the powers that be are impressed by applicants who do that.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I never used either.

I waited a few years to go to college. They never cared about any of that.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your point being?

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

the majority of this sites followers opinions of Suppan’s contract at signing is similar to their opinion of using ERA. In that it’s a bad idea.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn.

I need to go home, I gotta be back here in 5 hours.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Eh. c'est la vie!

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the real fans still here:

Capuano 3 ER in 6 1/3 innings

But I guess those stats really don’t count.~

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Rehab stats don't really count.

but no walks is encouraging, actually nice to see him struggle a little, make sure he’s still human. Hope to see him in a month or 2.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is a good sign

Hitting only 85 on the gun kind of scares me though.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's never been a velocity guy

and you have to expect it to come down with 2 fake elbows. As long as he can change speeds and fool hitters, he’ll be okay.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

How's it working for Hoffman this year?

just kidding, but Cappy could get to 90 before…loss of 5mph is a lot. It means is change would have to go down drastically to be as effective.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Jamie Moyer can still pitch effectively...

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's only made a few rehab starts

He should gain some of that velocity back. Think of it as spring training. Guys don’t typically take 3 months off and begin throwing at their top velocity, let alone 2 years.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

K, now that I found the new comment box

I’m out. Thanks for the convo and the laughs guys.

I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.

by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm out (for real)

It’s been fun(ish). Congrats, you guys ripped me apart (50 ppl to 1). But in all seriousness I did not intend this. I will probably not comment anymore on your posts (Or I will just be banned tomorrow), because I do not want to take away from what you guys have going on here. An impressive and newsworthy site.

Good luck at Madison next year guys.

Adios.

by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 1:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe, just maybe

It wouldn’t have happened if you hadn’t called us a bunch of bandwagon fans. Our team is down, we’re pissed, and you shove patriotism in our face – yer gonna get both barrels.

by nullacct on May 19, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

alright, F this.

I’m out.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 1:41 AM CDT reply actions  

You guys have 1,600 comments in your post game recap?

How does that even happen?

"Batting 4th and doing the catching, says here this guy weighs 210 pounds...I'm not buyin it! It's Brian McCann."

by Scott Coleman on May 19, 2010 1:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I have no idea.

But man was it fun.

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

“Epic” is an overused term.

That said:

THIS WAS EPIC.

I love you all, even — hell, especially — the gremlins.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 19, 2010 7:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow, I can't believe I just read all of that but it was worth it

Get out of my dreams and into my Chuckie Carr
-Molitorfan 12/23/09

by Michael M on May 19, 2010 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Me too

I feel like I should get a cookie or something

by Dionysus0 on May 19, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

That was…wow.

Just…WOW~!

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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

All's fair, I guess.

To be fair, it was my first one, though.

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