Reds 5, Brewers 4
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 2:55 PM CDT
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W: Carlos Fisher (1-1)
L: Trevor Hoffman (1-3)
HR: Ryan Braun (7), Joey Votto (9), Scott Rolen (8)
MVP: Marco Estrada (+.273)
LVP: Trevor Hoffman (- roughly a billion)
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I've resisted saying it for some time now, but I'm ready to admit it: Trevor Hoffman is done.
Called upon to defend a 4-2 lead in an otherwise very well played ballgame, Hoffman surrendered three straight solid base hits, including a two run home run to Scott Rolen, walked Brandon Phillips and gave up a walkoff hit off the wall to Joey Votto. To sum up: He blew the game without recording an out.
Here's today's other stuff, largely irrelevant now:
- Manny Parra pitched relatively well in his first start of the season, allowing a run on four hits and four walks in four innings, throwing 83 pitches.
- Marco Estrada, however, was the star of the day for the Crew. Making his Brewer debut, Estrada pitched four excellent innings, allowing a run on just two hits and no walks, striking out four. He retired the first nine batters he faced in order and needed just 55 pitches to complete four innings.
- At the plate, Casey McGehee was the hero of the day. He went 3-for-4 with a double, drove in two runs and picked up the first stolen base of his career. He was the only Brewer with multiple hits.
- Speaking of stolen bases, George Kottaras also had the first of his career in the ninth inning. He went 0-for-2 with two walks on the day.
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That's what happens when you get to excited about brewers baseball.
Thanks for the memories Trevor Hoffman. It’s time to send Hoffman to the DL.
Don't bother.
Just cut him
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
DL first
but if he sucks in rehab, kick him to the curb.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Will he go on the fake DL though?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
If it's a choice between being cut and going on the DL
He might choose the DL. Is there another team that’s going to install him as a closer directly off of free agency?
Welcome to the fold.
It was a heck of a run, Trevor. Enjoy your stud fees.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
let's stay positive
maybe hoffman is working his way up the blown save leaderboard. does someone have a baseball-reference subscription? where does he sit on that?
where does that stand all time?
although i don’t think it’s an official statistic, so i don’t know if records will really be in place for that.
by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure.
But there are only a few guys who could possibly be on the list.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
Seemed like Turnbow had 75 blown saves in the first half a couple of years ago.
But I MIGHT be exaggerating. Slightly.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably can't make a leaderboard out of it
But STATS.com’s pitcher pages have a Sv-Op column. Here is Hoffman’s. Mariano Rivera has 63 blown saves. Sadly, they made it awfully hard to find retired players.
Another option is to add “#1-XXXX-sum” to the end of the Baseball Reference season gamelog of the last year for a player, where XXXX is the total number of career games. Jesse Orosco had 77 blown saves.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Blown saves
The blown save is really impossible to quantify because any non-starter giving up the lead anytime after the 6th is technically a blown save (if he would finish the game, he would be credited with a save).
I have no idea how they really can even calculate “save opportunities” because of this…
by BrewCrewBrian on May 18, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
stilll..any leader is significant
it means they’ve been in the game long enough to qualify and retain teams’ faith in them. it’s possible not all of hoffman’s blowies are in the 9th. I’m sure some are in extras, and he probably wasn’t a closer straight out of the minors
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
For me it is more like being good enough to be a major league reliever for a long enough period of time (see: Orosco, Jesse). I am willing to bet that Hawkins might have a TON of blown saves because he has been around for a while. Theoretically any close game that he lost the lead in was a blown save…
by BrewCrewBrian on May 19, 2010 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
That’s why save percentage is useless when deciding if a setup guy should become a closer. Blown saves is like any other cumulative leaderboard (see games pitched, etc.), only guys who are around forever will be on it. The reason setup guys get so many is because the save is a contrived statistic and bullpen roles grew up around it. Shrug.
Failure is just success rounded down.
You do to use the play index.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
so fangraphs lets you sort that
but the save is a recent statistic and i don’t think the blown save is really tracked because it’s not an official stat. so if i go to fangraphs, and go to pitching career leaders and then click on the BS column, it says trevor is in third place on all-time blown saves, with 34. so he could take first!
first place: latroy hawkins, with 43. for what it’s worth, david weathers is second with 36.
by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
well, BBREF has Hoffman with 75 BS, but I can't figure out if you can do a leaderboard with that stat.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
yeah, i don't think the fangraphs number is right
hence all my caveats. if you can figure out how to do a leaderboard with that, please post. regardless, thanks for looking in to it!
by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
AC/DC out?
This should probably be the official end of Hell’s Bells. Does anybody really want to hear that song anymore?
I’d like to take a moment here to remind everybody that the Cubs still really suck, and this year will be their 102nd consecutive year without a World Series title.
Isn’t that awesome?
Minor league numbers aside
he looks too much like Suppan for me to be fully comfortable with that.
Col James Braddock?
Maybe Mr Norris can roundhouse kick Hoffman and Macha off the team
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on May 18, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally, I'd go with Coffey
It’ll probably be Hawkins when he’s back off the DL. That’ll work out great.
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Hawkin's has pitched just fine this year.
no need to irrationally hate. 2 bad outings + 1 injured outing do not a bad season make.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'm being too harsh
I’m not convinced he’s a better option than Coffey or Villanueva, though, but I feel like he’ll get the nod just because he’s closed in the past.
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Though not a lot,
Villanueva has also closed.
Coffey and CV didn't do too well as closers last season when filling in for Hoffman
I think Hawkins was always the backup plan. Another reason for the multi-year deal.
how about no closer
if the heart of the order is due in the eighth and it’s tight, why do you not put your best guy in then?
Estrada can't pitch that much.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Buying tickets for the last few games of the season.
Wouldn’t want to miss #600.
It's crazy, at the start of the year when they started talking about the countdown to #600...
I thought, “no way I’ll be home from college in time to see #600 in person.” Funny how that worked out.
by KittenMittons on May 18, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewers.
I don’t think they’ll outright cut him. Instead, they’ll have someone else split closing duties with him. He’ll somehow manage to get to 600, but it’ll be an ugly trip.
editing help
You left in the part about Estrada getting his first win. That was the part that needed to be deleted once Trevor came in.
reading help/fail
Apparently I just needed to read the first comment.
It's like every free agent with a decent history
is conspiring against Melvin. Wolf better get on that train or he won’t look like a team player.
Why lump Hawkins in with them, exactly?
Oh right, the irrational hatred because of 2 bad games thing.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I agree with you about Hawkins.
His performance has not been that bad. If Macha had a quicker hook it would be even better.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
I get where you're coming from
And I actually wouldn’t have a big problem with Hawkins as closer.
Now here’s where people’s hatred is probably coming from: 9.26 ERA, 1.71 WHIP, three losses.
That’s entirely rational.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 18, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
but he’s got a solid tRA, and a ridiculous BABIP against (.433), he had 2 rough outings, and was hurt in the other bad outing, he’ll finish the year in the 3.5-4 ERA range, not that that means anything.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Agreed.
I’m just saying I can totally understand why Brewers fans think he’s awful.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 18, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Uninformed fans. Not smart ones.
is all i’m saying.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
hoffman's babip against today was pretty bad too
maybe he had such a high babip against because players were hitting liners? or are his (hawkins) flyball/groundball percentages normal?
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
His BABIP today was 1.000 today
“pretty bad”…it doesn’t get any worse!
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LD - GB - FB
12.9 % 51.6 % 35.5 %
LD rate is way down, GB rate is way up, FB rate is right in line with career numbers.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
so...either dumb luck
or a poor right side of the infield?
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
his BABIP is right in line with his career numbers
and his LD% is actually down a bit (14.9% as opposed to 19.9% career). His groundball rate is almost a third of his career average, however (14.9% v. 39.3%) and the rest is fly balls. He’s compounding that by giving up homeruns at 3 times his career rate on fly balls (18.2% v. 6.5% career)
How can a guy who gave up only 2 homeruns and only 11 earned runs in 54 innings last year give up 19 earned runs and 7 homeruns in just 13 innings this year? I thought Rick Peterson was supposed to make everyone better.
I believe you meant "the flukiest fluke who ever fluked."
That’s the proper phrasing.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
now that I'm anti-hoffman, I'll use the
look at 2008 argument in my favor, instead of trying to work around it.
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or blame father time
or regression, or statistics, or maybe hoffman himself.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Did the guy jump from 41 to 73 in one year?
by Cheeseandcorn on May 18, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll drink to that
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
If only that sign in LC read: 596 seconds to retirement
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on May 18, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually...
If he became a Brewers fan a week ago, it would be no surprise.
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I missed the game today
But looking at the box score I have to blame Macha yet again. Estrada is a starter, was at 55 pitches, and was pitching well. He couldn’t have pitched the ninth? Nope, guess that has to go to the Closer™ with the 11.00+ ERA
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
or with trying to get some more runs in the bottom of the 8th.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Being honest
I’d rather have gone with Hoffman. Based on the fact that it would be a huge blow to him to put Estrada in to close instead but, more importantly, I wouldn’t have wanted to risk Estrada blowing it when he’d had such a good outing.
Obviously I’d have been wrong as it was a huge blow to Hoffman to leave him in and let him self-destruct all over the place…
"I hope your name is Rick"
"I wouldn't have wanted to risk Estrada blowing it when he'd had such a good outing'
What? Would you have pulled him if he’s started the game and was at 2 ER through 8.0 IP with (somehow) only 55 pitches? I guess I can understand that if it’s Villanueva or somebody going multiple innings, but Estrada was essentially starting in relief.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I totally get what you're saying
but I think there’s a fair amount of difference between a pitcher going 8 inning with 2 ER and someone going 4 with 2 ER (especially as you always want to keep someone in for the whole 9 inning so they get the “complete game” stuff). At the same time I think Marco Estrada going 4 inning with 2 ER feels pretty good but doesn’t fill you with quite the same confidence as Lincecum, Gallardo or someone. Essentially he’s an awful lot more unproven.
Saying that, I’ll concede that I tend to be fairly conservative on these decisions because I generally hate feeling that someone is doing really well then ends up feeling crap because they’ve been kept in slightly too long…
"I hope your name is Rick"
There was a scoring opp in the bottom of the 8th.
That’s why Estrada was lifted. Okay, that’s not the only reason, but that’s the reason it was the right thing to do.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It clearly was not the right thing to do
Hoffman has been terrible all season, if there was a clear opportunity (which there was) to let a pitcher who was performing well finish the game without going to the rest of the bullpen, Macha should have taken it. Instead he couldn’t conceive of a ninth inning save situation without his Closer™ in place.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Also, Kottaras was on first with one out
That’s not exactly a key scoring opportunity. Why not use Estrada to bunt him over?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
That wasn't the situation
Ninth inning:
Gerut groundout
Kottaras BB
→ Estrada pulled for Counsell
Kottaras steals second
Counsell flyout
Week single
Escobar flyout
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
i think we need to break this into two parts
(1) there was a situation where it made sense to use a pinch hitter;
(2) then there was pitching in the 9th.
item (1) made it sensible to lift the new guy, item (2) means you have a decision on using hoffman. honestly, if you don’t have confidence in hoffman for that role, he needs to be gone. so assuming mach isn’t to that point, he’s got an answer to (2), so he’s fine doing (1).
you think the answer to (2) is incorrect — but then do you think (1) is incorrect? do you not trust ANYBODY in the bullpen? i realize we all feel that way at times, but this bullpen isn’t the AZ one (soon, maybe) and i think there is some talent there. and even if you hate every player in the bullpen, it’s hard to jettison them all off and we’re kinda stuck.
by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not everyone in the bullpen is a mess, but I would rather avoid going to the bullpen in any situation if it makes sense to keep the current pitcher in the game. The Brewers were ahead and had nobody in scoring position, what’s wrong with a complete game between Parra/Estrada (both of whom were pitching well)?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I'll have to take your word for it since I didn't get chance to watch the game
But a guy who routinely throws 100 pitches as a starter running out of gas at 55 seems kind of strange.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I'm not sure if he was on fumes
but it did seem like they were starting to figure him out the second time through.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Macha has made some bad decisions
but I don’t think today was one of them. He was trying to score more runs in a close game. I’m not going to begrudge him for doing that.
Estrada gave up a HR in the 8th, then threw a wild pitch before getting out of the inning.
If Hoffman gets the save, this discussion wouldn’t be going on. It’s easy to second-guess when things go wrong.
by sjlee on May 18, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah...
i was on edge in the 8th. I think he was essentially done.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you answer this question:
“Did the brewers not win again?”
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
On the bright side...
Just kidding.
by Et tu Brewte on May 18, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
"could be worse"
“could be raining”
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
Could be worse
We could be Cubs fans.
by brewbaybucks on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Lets not say things we cant take back.
by BrewCrewBrian on May 18, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
raining would have been nice
then we wouldn’t have recorded another L
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
and could have not needed the spot split start
even though they did well, wouldn’t you rather have had a normal starter start?
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Convincing the Brewers to fire Macha, cut Suppan, and at minimum, remove Hoffman from closing.
Should we promise to wet our pants again?
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Too bad firing macha won't do anything.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It'll get people to shut up for a little while
So I expect it to happen, throw someone under the bus.
Macha is meh to me.
Agreed.
I say the whole coaching staff needs to go. Given that the manager doesn’t really do much beyond setting the lineup, which he’s finally gotten right the past few days.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Right
it won’t happen, but I think it needs to. Even though if Macha goes, Randolph takes over, and is basically guaranteed the job next year.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Oh, I don't know about that.
I think he’d need a pretty good showing to get the job next year. Especially if Melvin is let go at the end of the year.
SRS BSNS
Well, what will he be judged against?
Macha? I think it’s safe to say that the team’s not going to have this winning percentage for the rest of the year.
Good point about Melvin gone though.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I suppose he'd be judged by the same standard Macha was:
meaning, this was supposed to be a contending team. If we go .500 the rest of the way with Willie at the helm, I don’t think they’d bring him back.
SRS BSNS
Yes. This.
I keep saying this but nobody will hear me. If the players hated him, maybe it would make a difference. But right now, I imagine, the payers hate playing for each other more than anything else.
by Et tu Brewte on May 18, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been sifting through mid season managerial changes to make a fanpost.
Maybe I’ll just post the data. It results in an improvement in the vast majority of cases. It’s resulted in winning seasons and play off berths multiple times for teams with awful starts.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
But isn’t there an argument that most managers who get fired mid-season have had relatively unlucky teams and that their replacement merely benefits from the luck evening out rather than them actually creating any improvement?
"I hope your name is Rick"
I'm not sure how well that can be quantified
But yes, my gut is that that explains most of the improvement
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True
That’s why I might just post the data. It’s interesting but difficult to draw conclusions.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
No.
Hoffman’s gotta get cut. Although, if you take him out of the closers role, my guess is he’ll retire, rather than humble himself like that… so maybe he’ll cut himself.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I enjoyed watching Estrada pitch.
Lots of first pitch strikes from that guy, I think he was 12/14 there. All those walks are really starting to grind my gears.
On another note, does he have a third pitch? All I saw were fastballs and changeups. The hitters were starting to pick up on his game the second time around, so unless he develops another pitch I think he’ll strictly be a bullpen guy. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. We sort of have a shortage of good bullpen guys.
According to Gameday
he threw a fastball, curveball and changeup to most batters today. He also threw a slider once.
The sad thing is
I left after the top of the ninth to go take a shower because i knew what was most likely coming.
Ken Macha
Looks utterly depressed. I kind of feel bad for him, he did everything right today.
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra
Except for unecessarily putting in the worst pitcher on the team to blow the game?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
As long as Hoffman is on the roster
He comes in to close. I don’t know any manager who would have done differently.
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra
by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't mind putting in Hoffman to start the ninth
So much as leaving him in after he’d faced four batters and gone single, homer, double, walk, no outs. After four guys, isn’t it obvious he’s got nothing?
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He'd still get the loss.
putting anyone else in there would be setting them up for failure. Once the game was tied, you knew he would in there until the end.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
You don't pull the all-time saves leader
Unless you think he has nothing left. In which case, why is he here?
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra
but this could be hastening that
if he lets hoffman die on his own, then i think it’s politically easier to remove him from the job. if just removed him on his own, some fans, media, GM, ownership or someone would be on him. here he gets one more data point
by Capt Science on May 18, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
you're forgetting about suppan
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
I want three heads to roll by tomorrow
Melvin
Hoffman
Macha
In that order of deservingness. Melving for assembling a crap team, Hoffman for sucking. Macha for continuing to pitch Hoffman. Perhaps Estrada’s gas tank was empty, but give him the ball to start the 9th and have Hoffman warming.
If only we had 2 more runs in the 9th so it wouldn’t have been a save situation and hoffman could have been on the bench.
Melvin
Picked up a guy who gave you a crucial RBI single and four sterling innings of relief in this game. On waivers.
by Et tu Brewte on May 18, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
blind squirrel meet acorn
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on May 18, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
they were trying to get 2 more runs… which is why they pulled Estrada
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by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't have the gamelog in front of me
but didn’t the 9th end on the #8 hitter? My bad if not
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, the wrong #8 hitter.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
yeah
i think that’s what threw me. I’m used to Escobar being #8. I guess I didn’t notice weeks right before him.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't really shuttle people down to AAA and/or jettison some flotsam
when half the roster is on the DL.
SRS BSNS
Just wait 30 minutes.
Tom H will re-print it, and then yell at everybody for putting any stock in what a blog says.
SRS BSNS
"There'll be a lot of discussion about a lot of things"
He knows he’s done
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra
Yeah
They asked him if Parra would start again and that’s what he said. I think he knows he won’t be around to make that decision.
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra
I don't think Parra will start again, personally.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I think they'd rather
have Estrada start. Due to both Estrada’s success starting so far this year, and Parra’s success out of the pen.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Starting success?
In Nashville?
Anyway, at this point, they might be looking to shake up things to get back to winning, so I could see that happening. I could also see these two teaming up again the next start.
Also, why is Adam Stern the primary pinch hitter now?
Does he really need playing time to justify being called up because of an injury?
Personally I’d like to see Joe Inglett out there more often.
Probably wanted to save Inglett for a higher leverage situation
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on May 18, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
I hope you were sarcastic there – as a manager you hope there are no higher leverage situations left for your team
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Terror alert level Blackwatch Plaid.
Tread very carefully in Old Vegas today.
On second thought, just stay the hell away.
by klwillis45 on May 18, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's always good advice.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Not this time.
I’ll admit somtimes I persue the comments there to amuse myself.
But even I have limits.
Are they jumping into the most scenic part of Old Vegas?
You know, Troll Canyon??
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Trade Scenario Gorge is lovely this time of year.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
So I've heard.
I’m interested in taking a trip on the “Fielder for Bucholz & Lester” whitewater rafting adventure.
by klwillis45 on May 18, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
On the bright side,
In three hours I’ll be at the Mastodon / Between the Buried and Me / Baroness show in Madison and will not be thinking about the brewers in the slightest
more like
between the boring and me
pro mastodon and baroness though.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 18, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
BTBAM took awhile to grow on me but are really interesting; I think Mastodon is ok but totally overrated, and Baroness is meh :\
i just find their live shows to be excruciatingly boring
if i’m seeing metalcore, i expect it to be exciting like ‘99-’02 era metalcore shows were to me.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 18, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Poorly attended? :)
Honestly though, I was in my ‘true metal’ stage at that point, so I didn’t get to any metalcore shows.
ohhh they weren't that bad!
depends on where you went. fireside bowl in chicago was always packed for shows i went to. the good ol’ days.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 18, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I only ever went to the Fireside for one show, but it was an awesome one. IIRC, it was emo though with Planes Mistaken for Stars, Tristeza and someone else.
My friend’s car window got broken and I rode back to Milwaukee holding a sweater up to keep the wind/bugs out.
memories!
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
how disrespectful of us
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on May 18, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When this streak ends.
This team better untuck.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
For everyone who wants to fire the whole coaching staff. Is that really the problem?
How can you blame Macha when the ENTIRE Bullpen sucks? He is doing the best he can with what he has to work with.
Melvin signed the #2 best SP this off season (Wolf) and most people considered the BP to be an area of strength for the Brewers this year so Melvin assembled what many people agreed was a better starting rotation and a solid Bullpen. The players are not performing but that isn’t Melvin’s fault is it? He can’t force them to play as well as they are capable of.
Peterson has done pretty well with the younger pitchers. You can’t expect Peterson to do much with older pitchers that’s not what he was brought in to do. Peterson has done well with Gallardo, Narveson and Parra however. It’s the old guys who a pitching coach doesn’t have much influence over who have been awful.
I guess the pitch counts could be Peterson’s fault but Gallardo has always been iffy with control and I don’t know if you can expect a pitcher to completely revolutionize his strike ratio because of a new pitching coach.
I am all for firing the bullpen coach though. :)
The entire bullpen doesn't suck. That is all.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
So has Parra, Hawkins, Suppan (yes, Suppan) and Stetter
Vargas, Narveson, and Hoffman are the only weak spots (though I’d say Coffey hasn’t been that solid).
Reliever stats:
tRA Reliever
9.47 — Axford, John
6.29 — Coffey, Todd
3.81 — Hawkins, LaTroy
9.9 — Hoffman, Trevor
6.29 — Narveson, Chris
4.45 — Parra, Manny
3.9 — Stetter, Mitch
3.6 — Suppan, Jeff
6.74 — Vargas, Claudio
4.7 — Villanueva, Carlos
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
You could almost use that same argument for any manager for a struggling team.
I think people are questioning the use of the bullpen so far. Even though DM assembled the team, Macha still decides who to use, when to use them and for how long.
You say that Peterson has done pretty well with the younger pitchers. Can you quantify that? Narveson was doing well in his starts at the end of last season already and Gallardo is pretty much having the same problem as last season… throwing too many balls.
Bullpen coach? The one at home fighting cancer or the interim one?
In the end, you have to hold someone responsible when the team is struggling. If the players aren’t responding to the manager, then the manager is fired… since you can’t fire the team. Something has to be done because it doesn’t appear that the ship is righting itself.
It might come to that.
Not necessarily because they are solely responsible for the struggles, but rather to shake things up.
Right.
Mark A isn’t going to fire him until after the season (if he’s fired at all).
If Macha is fired, do you think they wait until they come back from this road trip?
I figured he'd be gone Monday afternoon.
So, yeah, waiting until the next home stand probably makes the most sense.
SRS BSNS
It's not Macha's fault that the team has lost 8 in a row and is basically already out of contention
He hasn’t helped any though.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Over 200 comments on a post-game thread?
I’d say we’re talking Brewers ESPECIALLY when it gets bad.
SRS BSNS
Yeah, it's less of a discussion site,
and more of a support group, though.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
And letting a select few jump right off.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I don't think anybody's been too irrational today.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I didn't mean to imply anyone was.
Just a bunch of downtrodden people, talking about their problems.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
That's not irrational.
that’s a potential, low cost solution.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
They’re also much much smaller than the players.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
True... if you're deciding on either firing the coaching staff or the team.
I’m thinking firing the manager or a coach would be low cost… not the entire staff.
in retrospect, do you want to revise that?
so rec’d
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good call on the retro-rec.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
this is still all i can think of whenever anyone says new/old vegas.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh, I'm way sick of that story already.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Not sure about that.
Ramirez is good for some pretty stupid errors. I think they are more related to laziness than on purpose…. unlike Sheffield.
For those all depressed about the brewers...
it’s a woot-happy-hour! (till 5 central)
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It's been a stupid "gaming mouse" for five minutes now.
It’s not even a real mouse, dammit. Gimme something new.
SRS BSNS
We've never had to go to a "Post-Game Thread A" before have we?
Because we might work our way up there.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
The bright side:
If i put my $20 down now, I stand to make a lot of money if the Brewers make the playoffs.
And I'm not so sure there is such thing as an "interim GM"
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Interesting...
do you know if this interim guy did anything, or just kinda sat in the office? I would think that a position like that that’s going to have a long term impact on your franchise wouldn’t be filled by a temp….
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
That's my question.
What, exactly, would Ash do if he took over on an interim basis? The roster is more or less set at this point.
SRS BSNS
what would he do?
Whatever Mark A. wanted him to do. I’m sure all big calls (draft aside) would be cleared through mark A.
And the draft would probably be handled by the head of scouting, not by Gord.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
"That bad" is tough to tell.
I do think he’d be worse than Melvin.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Considering what the GM does
I don’t think it’s possible to have a good interim GM.
by nullacct on May 18, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Calling it now.
Scott Boras replaces Ken Macha. Now there’s a guy who knows how to get the most out of his players cough
I think you typed
cough instead of employer at the end there.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Correction
Scott Boras replaces Ken Macha. Now there’s a guy who knows how to get the mostout offor his players cough
by sjlee on May 18, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Making him the GM may not be such a bad idea
Moorad, current owner of the Padres is it, used to be an agent. And that worked out well for him.
With his business ethic.
He’d run this team like the pirates to pocket the revenue sharing.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
The part we shuold be happy to talk about is Estrada
He’s going to be with the organization for quite some time by the looks of this season. Even if he ends up as a bullpen guy with his fastball and changeup, he has the potential to be rock solid.
I’d like to think he’ll stay with the team until Doug Davis is back from the DL which means he’ll have time to make more appearances 4-5 days from now. Then again, with a bunch of guys on the DL, they’ll be making a lot of decisions. Those decisions very well could be focused on the future rather than 2010, now, though.
While you may be placing a little too much hope in one solid appearance,
he did look damn good.
I'm counting his minor league record, as well
The Nationals were loathe to put him on waivers, but he got left out in a numbers game. One thing Melvin has done well is play the waiver wire game.
by ecocd on May 18, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm excited about Estrada too.
I’m thrilled to have another pitcher to consider as a future option. But I also feel the need to point this out:
Mike Burns, Brewer debut on 6/2/2009: 4 IP, 4 H, 4 K, 2 BB, 0 ER
Now that's great tasting chicken!
How did Burns' stuff look, though
Estrada had the Reds 100% baffled for 3 innings with his changeup going in for strikes. sure the results are great, but it was how he got them that was really exciting. He made one mistake and it went yard, but otherwise he had the Reds hitters swinging and missing and then making defensive swings when they did make contact.
Perhaps most relevant to this current Brewers team, he was attacking hitters with 2 strikes. All of that is exciting.
by ecocd on May 18, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's it...
I think I’m going to jump ship and become a fan of the pirates or something.
The brewers suk.
What’s that? the pirates suck too? well, it’ll be a new version of suck to me.
You should just be a fan of every bad team.
You’ll probably get a win every day.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
This franchise has hit rock bottom
When being a Pirates fan is a healthy and reasonable alternative.
by brewbaybucks on May 18, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This is hardly rock bottom for this franchise.
Sal Bando used be our GM.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hear the Reds are doing well this year
Make sure you jump on that bandwagon before the wheels fly off and boring old St. Louis steadily chugs along and takes the Central.
The really depressing part for me
Is how the starting pitching has been pretty good during the streak:
Davis – 5.2IP, 3ER
Bush – 6IP, 3ER
Gallardo – 6IP, 2ER
Wolf – 5IP, 6ER
Narveson – 5.3, 4ER
Bush – 6IP, 3ER
Gallardo – 6IP, 1ER
Parra – 4IP, 1ER
Four quality starts, a couple more close ones
That is roughly a 4.30 ERA with no starter getting past the 6th. I wouldn’t call that “pretty good”
Get a ife broseph
QS
Defined as 4.5ERA with a six inning start. I think pretty good works. it’s not great but it should win you some games.
QS is anything 4.5 or under on a given day
therefore, as an average it’s really a 2.25 or so
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You cant just take the midpoint of the entire range and say that it is the average…
by BrewCrewBrian on May 18, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
it's more accurate than just taking one of the endpoints, but yes...you're correct
realistically the average QS is probably a 3 (mean/median)
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
3.31
in the first 300 quality starts of 2010.
That’s as far as I’m going to look. Just saying… something…
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Which gets me to my point... it's not the pitching entirely
Why is this meltdown the fault of the pitching? It’s hard to make a case for THE HITTING holding up for the past eight games. Think back on the RISP failures during that period. Every opposing pitcher knows about the Wallbanger mentality of our “stars.” As The Rock said last night “this is a team of home run hitters.” And unlike the Phillies, it’s our only weapon….
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on May 18, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's the pitching
Maybe not the starters, but the pitching nonetheless. Over the last eight games the Brewers have given up 62 runs. Can’t really expect the offense to score 7+ runs per game.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on May 18, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can expect the offense to
do better than 4+ runs a game. Especially since FSN replays Fielder/Braun HR ad nauseum in the leadups to commercials. This team is being MARKETED as a hitting team. So HIT!
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on May 18, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
The above stats make my point. An OBP of .314 just jumps off the page. The problem with our team is multi-faceted. The pitchers likely sense the lack of support they will encounter (with exception of the laughers, of course) when they are on the mound. They lack the aggressiveness that confidence breeds.
All this said, Hoffman’s abject failure as a closer this year has turned a winning team into a loser. Every failure was a win that was ours – but taken away by a pitcher who cannot fool even the rookies….
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on May 18, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The streak also coincides with Gomez' trip to the DL and a rough patch for Weeks.
It may not be a causal relationship, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was. Gomez’ absence resulted in some terrible OF defense in CF and RF (when Edmonds was still available they were playing him in CF and Hart in RF), and while Hart’s bat has been better the last few days, I’m not sure it’s counter-acted his defensive deficiencies.
All of the above is completely pulled out of my ass, for the record.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinkign the same thing this morning.
I didn’t have the balls to say that a lack of Gomez is the reason we haven’t won a game, though.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
It's certainly not the only reason...
… but there’s a lot going wrong right now. The SP, as noted above, hasn’t been terrible during the streak itself, but the outings are all still 6 innings or less, and the ineffectual starts before the streak put enough pressure on the BP that it started to crumble to the point that it became the most obvious reason for the losing streak….
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, aside from today's home run, Braun has really cooled off since getting hit in the elbow by Hanson
Just sayin’
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
That's true, but not really new though.
At least for the 6 games at home, and he had 2 hits yesterday in the first road game during the losing streak, didn’t he?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Since getting hit
He’s batting .182 (4-for-22) with one walk and only one extra-base hit (today’s HR)
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Yeah...
… but he’s 2 for 8 on the road since then, which admittedly isn’t great, while just 2 for 14 at home. And, unfortunately that .143 clip, while lower than usual, isn’t all that much worse than the .222 he’s been hitting all season (essentially 1 hit difference over the 14 home at bats he got since the beaning).
Maybe it was the beaning and the time off. That makes sense, and the 2 for 8 on the road suggests it might be true. But the numbers might also just be a continuation of his home and away splits this year. The sample sizes are so small that it’s hard to tell.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey guys
I am beginning to think that the Brewers are not a very good baseball team.
Get well soon Ueck
At least they've got millions tied up in an ineffective bullpen, though.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
i would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I would rather subscribe to a newsletter in which the Brewers are awesome.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
I wonder if the Red Sox are ringing Doug Melvin's phone off the hook
They’d love a 1B and they hate Papelbon. I’m sure Theo wants to get in on THAT kind of action.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
If Melvin trades Prince for a closer (especially a declining closer)
I will be very displeased.
:(
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on May 18, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah.
That’s a pitch-fork and torches level bad.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't blame Melvin...Blame the players for underachieving
Here is a list of numbers for everyone to try and comprehend:
1.74
1.83
2.13
2.45
3.23
4.12
4.12
Those numbers are the ERA’s of the following pitcher respectively, at the time when Melvin signed them to their current contract: Vargas, Hoffman, Hawkins, Riske, Wolf, Suppan, and Davis.
So are you going to blame Melvin for signing pitchers with OUTSTANDING ERA’s the year prior? Are you going to blame Melvin for basing the quality of a pitcher on the statistics that measures a pitcher’s success? Who else could the Brewers have signed? Blame the pitchers who after receiving their contract, tanked and failed to deliver. Melvin has done everything in his power to improve his pitching staff and now is being blamed for it….let’s think before we blame.
Please come to your senses and realize that Melvin has done an excellent job with a unappealing city and a low payroll. Sorry we don’t buy 50% of the championships like the Yankees, I’d prefer to be righteous losers than unfair winners.
You'll get flack for citing ERA here
but I totally agree. You can’t really be angry with Melvin or find fault with the majority of the moves he’s made.
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can't if all you look at is ERA.
It’s not a worthless stat or anything, but there are others, some of which indicated the guys he signed were declining when he signed them. If players decline out of the blue, then you’ve got a point, but I don’t believe that’s the case for most of those guys. It’s his job to find the guys on the upswing and not the down, and he’s been pretty bad at that when it comes to pitching, no matter how much thinking you do about it.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
OK
So the argument is that Melvin has an irrational preference for peaking veterans when there are guys on the upswing out there for the same or less money? Or is his fault that we don’t have those upswing guys waiting in the minors?
Here’s an interesting thought: what if Melvin didn’t sign any relievers in the offseason?
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
The team might be 9 games under .500 with a bullpen ERA the wrong side of 6.00?
I remember a Melvin comment along the lines of relievers having up and down cycles and looking for guys who needed to rebound – maybe around the time Mota was acquired.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Since you asked...
… both are his fault. I’m pretty sure, for instance, that the pen wouldn’t have been any worse if they hadn’t spent any money and had simply promoted everyone currently in AAA to the big league pen. That’s how bad of a job he did “rebuilding” the bullpen. Monumentally bad. Historically bad. So bad that many projected the Brewers to improve dramatically simply because the pitching staff couldn’t be worse than last year. Yet our boy Doug found a way to make it happen.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Please excuse my playing devil's advocate here
I’m not trying to be snarky or myopic, I’m just having a tough time seeing the connection between these dramatic underperformances and the evidence that they were actually a very likely scenario. Age can only explain so much, can’t it?
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, no problem.
I’m not sure it was a very likely scenario, at least not for all of them to struggle and/or melt down simultaneously. But there are plenty of intelligent guys on this site that criticized the signings of Hawkins, Davis, Wolf and to a lesser extent, Hoffman, and they provided statistical analysis to support their positions that both made sense and are beyond my ability to conduct myself. The Riske signing was criticized here for it’s length, if nothing else, even before the arm injury that rendered him a non-factor for the past 18 months.
As for casuals like myself, I take a much simpler line. If you have a bad pitching staff and you try to rebuild it by spending a great deal of money and it turns out to be worse than the one you put together than the year before, you’re fired. Likely or not, it’s what he gets paid to avoid, and he failed. Twice. In the midst of a relatively short period of time in which he has one of the best 3/4/5 hitters in baseball (the only one of which he gets credit for acquiring is McGehee, which turned out to be a brilliant signing). I don’t think that’s the product of thoughtlessness, as BUCKS suggested above. To me, it makes total and complete sense. And that’s before you go back and realize that virtually every above minimum signing of a pitcher Melvin’s made in the past five years (with the exception of Hoffman last year) has been a disappointment or a disaster.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But hey, you don't have to agree.
Not everybody does. I just don’t want that position to be regarded as thoughtless.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for making the point I was typing
Your response was much better thought out and articulated as well.
People are held accountable for results, not for decisions. It’s the way the world works, bad luck and all. He also had some very good luck on his minimum salary guys working out so it hasn’t all been bad luck on his side.
And thanks for expanding on it.
Obviously if a sentiment has legs on BCB, it’s got a lot of data to stand on – I suppose I just hadn’t really recalled there being a lot of dubious thought around the makeup of our bullpen. I’m still prowling on the boundaries of the Melvin Apologist camp, though, if only because he’s done a lot of good and it seems like his bad decisions have been exacerbated by luck and circumstance.
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember a pretty vocal reaction to resigning Hoffman, too.
Most of it had to do with the money and how it limited the opportunities to make other moves, but there were a few folks pointing out that Hoff’s 2009 season had “OUTLIER” written all over it.
SRS BSNS
Additionally
The unreliability of relievers (and the fact that even good relievers aren’t that valuable) is one of the reasons that signing relievers to moderately large contracts is a terrible strategy. Yet Melvin’s favorite pastime seems to be acquiring unreliable, veteran relievers.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Oh really?
Closers aren’t valuable? They are relievers too.
Paying extra $$ for a "closer" is silly.
Just because everyone does it doesn’t make it right.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
You know, you're habit of deliberately mistating the point others are making...
… and then attacking the fake point you’ve tacked to them, isn’t persuasive at all. Straw man arguments rarely are.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The good and proven closers get more money because they are usually more reliable
and can pitch under HIGH PRESSURE SITUATIONS….
a 3 run lead in the 9th isn't really a high leverage situation.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Unless your expensive aging reliever is bad enough to make it one.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine.
Good for you. But that’s not contrary to the assertion that SRB made.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Last call
Now you’re just using personal attacks. Stop it or be gone.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Really?
Can you point out a personal attack? I’m not on his side but you are taking away from the guys right to an opinion. Lets be reasonable please.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's calling people
illiterate, irrational, and unintelligent. Seems personal to me.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Well,
He can read the thread, and put them in context.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I agree with BUCKS
It is out of context. Who does he call illiterate? Calling somebody irrational is fine in a discussion such as this. I’m going to go out a limb and assume nobody took actually offense to anything he said. I think its time for people to grow up, some in ways different than others.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
TSSC
To answer your only question. Agreed, some people need to grow up.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
and me
although i will freely admit that I can’t spell, especially when I can’t read as I type due to bloglagg
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, right, but who cares about your feelings, pags?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
nobody. I'm so alone. I...CAN'T...GO...ON!!! ;(
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Please don’t act like I’m not talking to you.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would I? That'd be childish.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Awesome
You join BCB minutes after KL’s post, and the first thing you post is this?
I wonder if people ever see you and BUCKS in the same room at the same time.
we did
signup was reported from different IPs. Not sure a) how different (both subnet and geographically) and b) what about the posts themselves (as I mentioned in the thread, I can easily create accounts to BCB from 3 states [I think 4 actually] and one foreign country [UK]). But using them….that’d be a bit more difficult given lag
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Somehow I'll find a way to carry on.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the word you're looking for is "refrain"...
… if you don’t mind taking the word of an “illiterate” guy.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant to say "restrain myself"
Everyone makes mistakes…some make more than others.
Take Doug Melvin, for instance.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why not both?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the thing.
You don’t have to agree. Melvin has his defenders and that’s fine. But suggesting that all of his critics are thoughtless bandwagon jumpers is too easy. Just as easy, in fact, as the people who do thoughtlessly call for the GM or Managers head every time their team loses a game.
Fact is there are plenty of reasons to blame Melvin for this team’s problems, and most are the product of rational, if subjective, thought. And that’s true regardless of whether you agree with the conclusions we’ve reached.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
Would have been much worse, I’m sure. But Melvin won’t thank you for defending him by pointing out that a fan could do worse. That’s not the standard he should be measured by.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
How long does he get a pass after that?
And how much did he have to do with the acquisition of the talent that got them there, particularly those that were drafted by the organization? How much GM talent did it actually take to trade for Sabathia?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Righteous losers
are still losers. I’d rather be a righteous winner.
by brewbaybucks on May 18, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
if you can copy-paste
so can I
Not a good measure 1. You only looked at ERA
2. Many of those are from extremely small sample sizes (think Vargas)
3. Our payroll is middle of the pack. We may not be the Yankees, but we’re not the Pirates either.
“If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be.” – Yogi Berra
by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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I’d prefer basing the quality of a pitcher on multiple years, not just the prior year Signing players to contracts after one career year is a huge risk (see Suppan, Turnbow and Hall).
by sjlee on May 18, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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precisely you can blame him for signing players that are playing out of their mind for a single year (ie Davis) or for a couple of their early years (Hall). Somehow I think the Braun contract was justified after only one year, but maybe we’ll laugh at that in retrospect. But signing a long-time vet who had one good season to a big contract? yeah, that DOES fall on Melvin.
Also, I am also allowed to be an irrational hater. I happen to have rationalizations, but so what if I didn’t?:P
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
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Also I’d rather be unfair winners than righteous losers. Maybe that’s just me.
“If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be.” – Yogi Berra
by mnbrewer on May 18, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i can also reply fail
this is also allowed
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
See my remarks on the latest thread. But to rebuttal your argument.
1. ERA is the most analyzed stat by the managers, players, executives and fans. Period. But hey, lets sign guys on there WHIPS alone, that makes sense. Maybe even by just their runs, not earned runs. (what is the better stat to look at?)
2. ONE player of the seven is extremely small sample size. In fact, even Jeffrey Suppan had four solid years before his contract.
3. Exactly we’re not the Yankees, no one would blame a Yankees GM for these moves because they could have released all 7 right now with no downside.
Ok, Rubie if you are so baseball smart...."obviously" much smarter than Melvin (sarcasm)
Who would you have signed the last three years who would have panned out. And I mean realistic contracts too. Good luck.
So, your defense of Melvin is that you can't think of better moves to make?
That’s light-years beyond a weak argument.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Not making some of the moves he made
would be better moves than making them.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Oh really? You wouldn't have been screaming had he done nothing this offseason about pitching?
Think before you type…thanks.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have done ANYTHING
but signing Davis wasn’t necessary, Hoffman wasn’t necessary, etc.
It’s not the moves he made or no moves at all, those aren’t the only option.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
ROFLCOPTER!
People were going to go nuts had Melvin not added one more starter other than Wolf.
And who would have been our closer? Should we have let Hoffman walk after a near perfect season.
Good call!
he DID add pitchers other than Wolf and Davis. Just because they’re in AAA doesn’t mean he didn’t add them
Wolf, Gallardo, Bush, Parra, Narveson, Loe, Estrada, Suppan (and I’m sure I’m forgetting someone)
There, that’s a Doug Davis less seven deep rotation.
and EVERYONE knew that last year was a huge fluke for hoffman. Most didn’t expect the sudden drop off (myself included), but expecting even 75% of 2009’s production out of Hoffman is borderline insanity.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Y'know, I was going to argue with you.
Then I saw you used the ROFLCOPTER. Clearly, I can’t compete with that.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks Kyle...I thought it was clever myself.
Would love to see your pointless argument however.
There appear to be enough people here willing to waste their time.
If you really want to believe that Melvin is doing a great job, good for you.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
So his argument is pointless before you've even heard it?
Bang up logic there. Nice to see you’re keeping an open mind.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
And now you're name calling.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
ROFLCOPTER!
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pot, kettle etc...
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Troll.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
1) I’m pretty sure managers, players, executives, and smart fans don’t really care about ERA all that much.
2) Past is not indicative of the future. You need to take into account age, park factors, league factors, quality of opponent, leverage, etc. You can’t possibly put a pitcher in the exact same situation from year to year, therefore, you can’t expect the same results.
3) Not sure of the point of three. So I won’t answer it.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Don't care about ERA?
Really?
Wow, is that why it is the most popular stat for pitchers? In the Cy Young award, pitchers primarily win because of their ERA. Hmmm….maybe because it indicates how much of a chance the pitcher gives its team to win.
But it doesn't.
It’s constantly ripped by smart people, and as the game and the people who cover it advance, it’ll have less and less influence on things like the CYA. It’s archaic.
Some people still use phone books, even though there’s a vastly superior alternative. Same goes for ERA.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Give me one stat better than describing a pitcher than ERA.
And are you calling be not smart? That’s mature.
FIP, tRA, ERA+, pRAA...
Oh, just one? Sorry. any of the DIPS.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
You know you are right!!!!!!
Pitchers that have a 9.00+ era should be given a chance too!
and Pitchers with a 4.00- era should have to prove themselves otherwise.
Try again.
No, I agree with that
Hawkins is pitching well in spite of his high ERA. Coffey has a lower ERA, despite pitching worse.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Hawkins has pitched so well that he pitched his way onto the DL
Coffey pitched horribly in ONE GAME. That is ONE GAME in 2.3 years.
No. This statement isn't correct.
Good results do not imply good pitching.
Poor results do not imply bad pitching.
There’s correlation, but not causation.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
So you are saying that Todd Coffey's excellent ERA's have been because of lucky pitching.
Are you kidding me….
Partially yes
He’s pitched well, great last year. But he hasn’t been great this year, and has gotten lucky, yes.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
During that time
Coffey lost 5 games, blew 2 saves, and gave up more runs than innings pitched 13 times.
LOUD NOISES!!!
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
So, you didn't even READ nullact's post.
and also, your caps lock key is next to the “a” key.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Coffey lost 5 games, blew 2 saves, and gave up more runs than innings pitched 13 times.
blew 2 saves -—> also saved our butts in 20+ games by getting out of huge jams.
and gave up more runs than innings pitched 13 times——> if a reliever gives up one run in an outing the chances are that he will give up more runs than innings….not tough to figure out. A 2.90 era should not be getting bashed on a blog.
Hoffman saved us in a lot of games last year too.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I agree that Coffey did great things for us in 08 and 09
but he’s off his game a bit this season. Yes, he was a rational sign. Yes, he should remain on the team. But to suggest that he has no flaws and cannot improve seems a bit ludicrious
P.S. This blog is LAAAAAAGY
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
This
and I’m not trying to say I wouldn’t have signed him, I’m using him as evidence that ERA is a misleading indicator of how a pitcher is performing.
ps I’m holding up just fine, but I’m on a 64 bit machine with 32 gig of RAM. No chance I’m opening this thread when I get home.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
i personally do all the fucking time
thanks:)
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Really want to rec this.
I’ll restrain.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I'll rec it for you
Because I’m immature like that.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm on my work computer.
we’d put the JP computers to shame.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Did you think JP3 was OK?
I thought it was OK, flawed as it was. Felt bad for Sam Neill, though.
SRS BSNS
Yep, I liked it. Waiting for JP4.
Still went downhill from the first one, but all quality films, imo.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
You must be new here.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
32 bit running XP with max memory (4GBs, which only recognizes as 3 due to XPs limitation here)
but maybe i should shut down the two astropulse tasks I have going. That’s probably contributing
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
it does indeed
puts what little food I can afford on the table…at least between coding contracts:P
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
My super computer has a TNG replicator
it makes my food for me.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally rec'd this.
And I’m not ashamed.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no shame to begin with
But Earl Grey is not my favorite, so I’m not rec’ing.
Now, if you’re talking Good Earth Sweet and Spicy Tea and Herb Blend, I’m rec’ing til the cows come home.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
If Picard ordered that I would have lost all respect.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ah, see I was thinking
it was rec’d because of tea choice. A Star Trek reference is completely lost on me.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I've lost track of what's a reply to what
so I’ll just go ahead and rec the lot of them.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not blaming Coffey for anything
He’s been pretty steady. He screws up sometimes, but I feel pretty good about our chances while he’s out there.
That being said, he does screw up occasionally. Everyone does. Even (gasp) Ted Williams. It’s true – when he hit .400 he still made an out 60% of the time.
You need to slow down
Or we’re going to run out of internet. You kids, wasting everything. No wonder the environment has gone to hell. you’re going to clog the tubes!
by nullacct on May 18, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Strikeouts: walks?
That one’s one of those complicated formulas, though.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
If ERA is the most analyzed stat by managers and executives.
I feel fairly confident that I could do a better job as a GM then those already in place.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be." – Yogi Berra
Yup, Yogi Berra was a real smart human being.
“Baseball is 90% mental — the other half is physical.” – Yogi Berra
Figure that one out Pags
Actually, Yogi Berra was/is an idiot.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and um....so is he for not realizing that it wasn't me that made that post
i was copy-pasting from someone else’s post, including signature
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
It's getting very exciting in here.
I think I need some popcorn.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Old enough to remember
When the Bucks made the playoffs every year because of Sidney Moncrief, not because half the teams in the league were invited.
Yes, sorry I couldn't have crawled out of my mothers womb earlier.
There’s something I could really control.
Probably old enough to be your father.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
How so?
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, i'm old enough
To have been the doctor that spanked your ass in the delivery room.
by nullacct on May 18, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not nearly as inappropriate
As the party the nurses and I had afterward with the nitrous oxide.
by nullacct on May 18, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Please don't tell me how to do my job.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That's WSBChris's job
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Note: I kid, WSBChris...
that guy’s alright. Most of the time.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
What's a put up?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
WSB Chris, and about a thousand other people
It’s a self-appointed position.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
IP CHECK
same as WSB?
check 2 – in Wisconsin?
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I noticed you also trolled the Hawks SB blog during the playoffs.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
If people got banned around here for calling Joe Morgan names...
… there wouldn’t be anyone left.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
BUCKS, I've traced his IP, it's coming from...
…INSIDE MILLER PARK!!!
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on May 18, 2010 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 11 recs
Rec'd
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Lines like that are the reason I'm getting sick of you.
No matter how hard you try, someone will always be wrong on the internet.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
"Expressing" is one way to put it.
I’m not arguing your right to express your opinion, just asking you to take a deep breath and consider the possibility that literate, intelligent people may disagree with you without being illiterate or unintelligent.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, for what its worth
This is Kyle’s site, so ‘your right’ is really ‘how patient is he with you’.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
This guy is just trolling.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
While there are glimmers of sanity in with all his fervor
he’s not exactly the best ambassador for those who feel Melvin’s not deserving of dismissal over this situation.
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Early Exit Syndrome
The fan is willing, but the team is weak
by nullacct on May 18, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its comments like that which put the lie to your claim, bub.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You are the only one insulting people, and typing in all caps.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Hardly.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I know what 90% of this board is...
It appears that we have a group of typical overreacting fans here. Here is a group of people that want to pretend like the Brewers have a strong farm system right now that is chalk full of pitchers. The Brewers obviously don’t have the money to go out and get the Roy Holladay’s and CC’s of the world and are forced to take risks on older pitchers. The fact of the matter is the Brewers have consistently improved record wise(accept for last year) and attendance wise under Doug Melvin. Sure I have my complaints about him(for one Macha) but overall he’s done a fine job and its crazy to blame him for the Brewers problems.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:24 PM CDT reply actions
Hopefully that doesn't offend anyone
Apologies in advance.
Overall, yes.
But past results shouldn’t be a pass for mistakes, nor should they be blindly rewarded without taking a closer look.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I didn't say I agreed with him, or with you.
I don’t think Melvin should get fired (yet), but I don’t think he deserves a pass. He gets some of the blame, not all of it. He shares it with the team. I don’t think he’s done a great job, but I’m not saying dump the guy.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Melvin brought this team to the playoffs.
He has also made mistakes. It’s not black & white.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No one is doing that.
You’re accusing people of doing that.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Who was?
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the problem, though:
The record and attendance have gone up under Melvin, but salary has also tripled. Could a replacement level GM have built what Melvin has built with the parts and resources he’s been given?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
That's your opinion.
Mine is that he’s done very well with some aspects of the resources given to him, but wasted other opportunities, doing things like overpaying relievers and mishandling the Hardy situation.
Maybe we’re both right. Maybe he’s above replacement level but below elite.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
"Maybe we’re both right. Maybe he’s above replacement level but below elite."
I’d say that’s a great description.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
chalk? I prefer cray-pas and crayons
I believe you mean chock
in any case, I think that Melvin has done some good, but what he’s done over the past 2 seasons is worthy of dismissal
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it chock?
I thought it was chuck. Learn something new every day.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, that sort of makes my point.
I don’t think we have a strong farm system chuck (not chalk) full of pitchers. That’s just one of the reasons I think Melvin should be fired.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It's generally spelled "chock-full"
though it’s origin is “choke-full,” as in “I’m so full if I eat another bite I’ll choke.”
:)
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
But I’m illiterate, or did you miss that portion of this thread?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Chock full o'nuts for example.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets take a look at the Cubs
They have a lot higher salary than us and they suck. Same with the Mets of last year, the list goes on. You can’t just throw anybody out there. Lets be rational.
‘But past results shouldn’t be a pass for mistakes, nor should they be blindly rewarded without taking a closer look.’
Great point. I’m sure Melvin didn’t look when he was investing tens of millions into these people. I’m glad you brought your great vision to the discussion.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:31 PM CDT reply actions
Ok, now you're getting personal too.
I’m glad you brought your great vision to the discussion.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 18, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not 100% convinced they're different people.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Yeah. I'm leaning that way.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Old Vegas Invasion! Bah!
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Nope, I don't think it's Old Vegas.
These kids are too young to know what a “news-paper” is.
SRS BSNS
Interesting
Where are they coming from???
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Reno
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I like this option.
Good work, Name I Can’t Pronounce.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sound it out.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Use an aggressive German pronunciation.
And say it angrily (goes without saying).
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I'll tell you where it comes from.
It’s the label name on a rare Milwaukee funk/psych 45. According to the guy who put the record out it’s a mythical god.
Zor-ak-a-thur-a
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I kept saying Zo-ra-kat! Hoo-rah!
Failure is just success rounded down.
by TheJay on May 18, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just call him Zora.
Rhymes with Dora.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Are you high?
I’m responding to his clear personal attack of Melvin. You’ve got to be kidding me.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did I personally attack Melvin?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Oh... right.
Damn, 2006 was a bad year for me.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I'm not really saying you did...
…however if I personally attacked you than you personally attacked Melvin. I don’t think neither is the case. Somebody enjoys overrating like he has some kind of authority.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
For the record...
I don’t think you attacked me. But whatever.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
How luxurious it is?
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Scandalous
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
People are frustrated, tensions are high
and while immaturity doesn’t win debates, his point about the Cubs and Mets is valid, I think.
There’s unfortunately no statistic to measure GMs any more accurate than wins and $/win. All alternative strategies and decisions, all scrapped signings and trades, the free agent market, it all is either forgotten, impossible to know, or laden with the burden of hindsight.
I think that’s why this discussion has taken a turn for the erratic. We’re all Brewers fans, passionate and intelligent enough to be here talking about them; I think GM culpability is one of those rare spots in baseball where data can’t tell the whole story and opinion comes into the fold.
Opinions are a lot tougher to debate than stats.
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Mets are a good comparison.
Injuries caused that situation, not the GM.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Mets
I wouldn’t exactly say they had a stacked line up last year, they had some guys that I thought were pretty obviously past their prime.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that’s why this discussion has taken a turn for the erratic.
To quote Lumbergh in Office Space: I’m gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there.
SRS BSNS
I think that’s why this discussion has taken a turn for the erratic.
That’s a good sig.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Well I’m pretty sure this isn’t exactly a typical postgame thread.
(And I’m not quite sure what you’re disagreeing with, RQ.)
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That the difficulty in assessing a GM's job performance is why this discussion went off the rails.
SRS BSNS
Well I think that was part of it, at least
A atypical dearth of level-headedness hasn’t really helped.
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, that's exactly what I said!!!
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Possibly the awesomest tatoo ever.
Its the perfect combination of two of my most favoritist things.
Life is complete.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't that used to be the sign at Thurmans on Arlington?
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Chillin' in the Danbury area
I’d imagine, as he’s got the farm and everything. (No, I’m not THAT local to that part of western Wisconsin, I haven’t seen him in person)
All the vitriol and arguments
Where have I been?
Tom H. thinks that Trevor needs to march into Keebler Ken’s office and remove himself from closing duties. Suuuuure. That’ll happen first thing in the morning.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:52 PM CDT reply actions
I probably would have earned a suspension if I'd been here earlier
Sometimes I don’t play nice with folks who don’t color inside the lines.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah.
You would’ve seen the humor almost immediately. I haven’t laughed like this in quite awhile.
SRS BSNS
I agree
Some of the things being said against Melvin are comical.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Dare I say, extremely comical?
Hyper-comical?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're looking for
‘uber-comical’
That’s what the kids say these days, right?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Germans say über.
But then again, I think they get a free pass on that one.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
by Yar Nivek on May 19, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, but not in the ironic/"cool" speak way English speakers do.
“ober” used to be the actual German prefix used for that purpose, but it’s fallen out of favour, too, I think. Words starting in “über” actually tend to sound somewhat formal to German speakers.
As are the things being said in his defense.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Where to start...
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a lot of question marks.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Possibly, but I"m currently enjoying a libation
Which, many times, impairs my inner monologue/ability to stop from typing inane shit. That may be what earns me the suspension.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What Rubie said. I be slow.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It was cooler when I thought you were talking about what I said
I’ll go kick my can around some more.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
likewise rubie
for the most part i’ve been entertained enough wi
speaking of past their bedtime, holy shit Zeyes is here
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
okay...bloglag fail
for the most part i’ve been entertained enough with this thread to stay up past my bedtime
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate music…so my “other” username is not Franzferdinand….sorry to disappoint.
I have more of a life than to make 2 accounts.
Yeah, music sucks.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a tough one...
…but I do realize you’re making ridiculous, sweeping generalizations in order to provoke response.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you answer with the wrong account?
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
"I hate music"
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
So does everyone else.
And to think, that used to be my job.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
no one attacked you.
believe whatever you want to believe.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
No.
We disagreed. Your failure to see the difference is part of the problem.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You've got some things to work on
if you can’t handle someone disagreeing with your opinion.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
i think it would take a listener of music to recognize that was a musically associated name
and not, say, a former ruler of Prussia
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions
You like my speed?
I’m so fast, I can change accounts and post on the other account in like 9 seconds.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions
Phone on 3g. Laptop on network.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
CHALLENGE!
please post something I said in this debate that is extremely irrational and laughable…I bet you can’t do it.
……………………………………..________ please post something I said in this debate that is extremely irrational and laughable…I bet you can’t do it. please post something I said in this debate that is extremely irrational and laughable…I bet you can’t do it. It’s Hart’s Arm, I think. I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
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"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone." ~Doug Melvin
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What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
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or is that prince?
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he could really lean into a pitch when needed. Beach himself on first, etc.
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when switching browsers :)
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I totally see it. I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view. I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view. i really saw some shoes I would like to purchase. I wonder if goladymall.cn has them in my size
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I really confused that basketball fan. "If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone." ~Doug Melvin
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“I really confused that basketball fan.” Awesome. What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
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Everybody knows you can’t be a fan of two sports. Especially two that occur at opposite times of the year for the most part. Silly Bucks fans.
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I said I am more of a football fan. I created my profile when the Bucks were in the playoff race….Shoot me now. I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view. "If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone." ~Doug Melvin
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I think I see a face.
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Hart would be a helluva ballplayer if he were a cetacean.
he's a whale of a player already
Think of the advantage a baleen plate offers over a glove...
Whale-like reflexes.
Plus he can stun the pitcher when he's at bat with a series of clicks and fin slaps...
He could rocket balls to the cut off man from his blow hole.
Not to mention
missed this whole sub-thread
Well, now that you SAY that
Every cloud has a silver lining?
is this one of those porn ads?
I was talking about you before
Sig worthy.
Good point Charles
I am not a pure basketball fan.
That'd be totally irrational.
More illiterate, I'd think
Stop calling me a troll
My first post was nice, politically correct and provocative. I posted what I believed and everyone bashed it and myself. I defended myself and now I’m a “TROLL,” really?
I'll give you this:
This is the longest conversation I’ve had with a person I knew was an NBA fan in a long while.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Watch out for pink eye.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 19, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
too many irons in the fire?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
High school then?
The college kids are done, as far as I know.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
NOT ALL COLLEGES
UW-Stevens Point for example is still holding finals.
UWM has finals this week.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Not ones on the trimester system
23 days till I’m done.
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting.
Didn’t know that was actually a thing.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
same as the quarter system
(summer being the 4th quarter)
CA schools are in session until f*cking june
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes highschool...and not all colleges are done.
And don’t tell me that because I’m in high school that I am immature.
If you say so.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
One of the best and smartest guys on this site is in high school.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not.
If you’re being judged, it’s because of your behavior, not your age, whatever it is.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not being sarcastic
Jordan is a senior in high school.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
One of the best and smartest guys on this blog.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Thought about it.
There’s been about a hundred possible uses though, figured I’d save it for tomorrow.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Did you just create your profile tonight?
Or its the first time you’ve bothered to stop in here? Never read any content, just wanted to tell everyone that Doug Melvin is one smart dude for signing guys with good ERAs?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You know I don't speak Spanish
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I have read this blog for a long time...never felt the need to comment until now.
People are upset with this team….Fine, great etc. But, lets be reasonable and understanding and not over the top. Lets realize that a team is not built in one year and that Melvin has done everything he could to solidify the pitching.
Melvin's been around for 8 years.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
We differ in our opinions on that point
I think Melvin has done more harm with his $30MM bullpen than good.
"Melvin has done everything he could to solidify the pitching"
… except succeed.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, you're probably right
He probably DID use LAST YEAR’S ERA to assess which pitchers would be good to sign.
And that’s why the pitching has been so terrible for so long.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why hello there!
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who are you, the moderator?
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm new here, show me to your leader
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i would enjoy
some of this “great tasting chicken” you all speak so highly of.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't even trace up to see where this is replying to.
I heart this thread.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me, too
I’m sure KL will show up tomorrow morning and say he should’ve closed it hours ago, but I can’t bring myself to do that now.
Failure is just success rounded down.
by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's quite entertaining
But the way, the “up” button is quite helpful in these situations
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I've never used it.
Afraid it might be an ejector or something.
Actually, never really noticed it until now.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm submitting "ejector button" as a feature request.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 19, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Please don't.
It’s made me completely forget about this losing streak
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I know, I'm not going to
I think the best part is I’m out West so I’ve got even more time to follow it.
Failure is just success rounded down.
just want to point out
smart <> mature
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
People have played the high school immaturity card before and I feel I've defended myself quite aptly
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
It's really just person, rather than people.
I’d describe him further, but I’d probably get banned for name calling.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Gross.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beat me to it, ass
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you can say 'pro bono' here
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
heheheh, pro bono
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You don't practice in Appleton at all, do you?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Thought so.
It just occurred to me that I might have been rude to you in real life, and I hoped that wasn’t true. Anyhoo, I get the impression we work in different circles in more than the geographic sense.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I do, too.
You seem like one of those respectable attorneys.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahh, you're a patent lawyer!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, of course
I can’t pretend I have an idea what that is.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Covers private boats in domestic waters
I priced it for Arizona 3 years ago.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm saving them for something big...
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
College kids are done for the most part
I go out of state and am done. I know Eau Claire is in session, and Madison is out. Not sure about the rest.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Tonight's assignment:
(1) Troll a blog.
(2) Lose an argument.
(3) Ask a friend to help re: the trolling.
(4) Continue to lose argument.
(5) STAY UP SUPER LATE!
SRS BSNS
Eeeewwwww.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
Here's an easy calculus question
Calculate the area beneath Hoffman’s curveball.
by nullacct on May 18, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Coming to the plate
or leaving the park?
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
rimshot.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is how you'd find the area, correct.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It's a trick question
Hoffman’s fastball isn’t fast, his changeup isn’t a change of pace, and his curveball doesn’t curve.
by nullacct on May 18, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Fascinating
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
(6) Tell ghost stories under the blankets with a flashlight!
(7) Tomorrow: RIDE BIKES!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Depends.
Are you the guy who said I was illiterate, uneducated and irrational?
I thought you were…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh you're offended by that?
I like to RIDE BIKES! But I rarely get the chance. And usually my wife yells at me when I try to tell her ghost stories under the blanket with a flashlight.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Its really OV of you to pull out ERA as a 'good reason' to sign a pitcher.
I’m not sure its ‘provocative’, but OV for certain.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Old Vegas
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Old Vegas...
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Charlie
Are you saying its not a good reason to use ERA to sign a pitcher? If your answer is yes, are you on drugs? If so can I have some?
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Please read the thread.
And phrase your question in a manner that makes sense.
And stop accusing other posters of being on drugs.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
He's saying you have to go deeper in your analysis than ERA...
… ERA’s not a useless stat, but there are better ones that are more indicative of a pitcher’s ability and value. That’s what he’s saying, I think.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention that...
the original comment only referred to last year’s ERA specifically. Talk about handcuffing yourself analytically. (That is, if I bought the notion that the argument was made in good faith…)
I didn't even mention that
as using ERA as a ultimate stat in decision making is OV enough, in my book. But you’re right.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I have relatives who have died because of drug addiction
Its classy for you to so flippantly toss it out there.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't accuse you of being on drugs
I asked if you were. I believe you said ‘Its really OV of you to pull out ERA as a ’good reason’ to sign a pitcher.‘. Which implies that you find it a bad reason to sign a pitcher. I can only find about one or two other reasons that could equal the importance of ERA. I think it is preposterous to say that it is a bad reason to sign a pitcher. As for your comment ’I have relatives who have died because of drug addiction’, are you personally attacking yourself? I see no reason why that is being brought up to the conversation.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It IS a bad reason to sign a pitcher
especially if it’s the only reason.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
OK...
So should we base it off looks? Also what does OV mean, I can’t find anything on what it could mean.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Old Vegas...
… it’s a reference to the quality of Brewer related comments on the JSOnline blogs, generally used in a derisive fashion.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Go back to the JSonline comments
You’ll find many more who want to talk about ERA and batting average with you. You won’t find very many here.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe base it off of statistics
that have known predictive power, and aren’t reliant on the defense and or the stadium.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Because I personally would never use drugs because I've seen the horrible degenerative effect it has
not only on one’s body, but their mind; I’ve experienced the pain associated with not knowing how to stop someone you love from killing themselves, and then you, YOU, some random guy on an internet message board ask me if I’m on drugs because you lack the ability to rationally assess a statistics actual import?
You practically write the joke yourself.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Dear God
I hate to break it to you but drugs are integrated into American society. This is an extremely common comment, where I’m from anyways. I’m not sure where else you want to go with this, unless of course you want to get into some kind of political debate, which this is not the place for. I’m willing to engage either way.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really
Drugs are against the law, and it is reinforced publicly and privately. Someday when you get a job at a reputable company you will likely be required to piss in a cup, and you will discover exactly how much of society participates, and how much doesn’t.
I have urinated in a cup
And some drugs are not against the law. The abuse of them is illegal, for the most part.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Your right!
Mike Burns pitched really well last year. His team really cost him his high ERA.
Mike Burns was the best pitcher out of the pen
last season. Starting was another story.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Jordan doesn't lie.
Also, prepare to be schooled.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I thought you read the site?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Read the site archives
If you can’t be bothered to do that, I suggest you listen to regular posters.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Experience.
And he’s not a God, he’s just smarter than you. Don’t take it personally. He’s smarter than me too, and I think I’m a pretty sharp guy. Particularly considering my illiteracy.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good thing
there’s none of that reedin’ or ritin’ required in law school.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
haha rec
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you read the fanposts
or the front page posts?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
With only 163 front page posts, I'm easy to miss
ERA rebuttal in progress.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just post it in this thread
Each line as a new comment.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Don't mythologize your ban before it happens.
Plenty of time for that after. And if you lay off the name calling as you have been lately, you’ll be fine.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually...
… you started, and you stopped when the guy running the site told you to stop or you’d get the hook.
That’s what happened.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure KL told him...
… but maybe I’m wrong.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't know
I’ve read the site for a long time, after all.
Failure is just success rounded down.
I thought Jordan did????
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I told him once
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Hard to say
I’m not sure he read it. He doesn’t like to read others’ posts, it seems.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I know he is the moderator now!
And……I don’t care, I will not bow down to him because in essence we are at the same level in life. We are both seniors going to Madison. He runs a blog——> great, cool, I prefer to play sports rather than blog about them.
Still not getting the hierarchy here
Or what you guys were trying to say.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No one has said any such thing
except for you.
Jordan has a great ability to analyze and then synthesize statistics in a way that almost anyone can understand.
Well…except for those who choose NOT to read what he writes.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny how you want to go into journalism
And that’s what Kyle is doing. But you minimize it.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Ahh, I see
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
That makes it funnier.
I think. I’m not sure, I’m tired.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're not going to be happy until...
you annoy everyone with that victim act to the point that you are getting banned, eh?
(I suppose you’re already well-prepared for college, though…)
rec
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Read that as WC Fields.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, you could always go to another SBN blog and complain about the jackass that banned you.
But that wouldn’t be very original.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
Let's blow this taco stand.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
there's always money in the banana stand.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
500 comments is nothing.
We’re pushing 1000.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
The blog had a good run.
KL will understand.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
ERA answers the question
How many runs did the pitcher and defense give up over an average span of nine innings, while pretending that plays arbitrarily judged to be errors did not occur?
ERA is very dependent on factors outside of the pitcher’s control. Team defense plays a major role, as much as a half a run in ERA for a starting pitcher in a year. Luck, or random chance, or what you want to call it, also plays a major role. The park a pitcher pitches in is also a big factor, it’s undeniable that pitching in Petco produces a lower ERA than pitching in Arlington. Finally, it’s not reliable over the course of the season and does not stabilize quickly.
If you want to evaluate a pitcher, focus on things he can control: walks, strikeouts, fly ball allowed, ground balls allowed. Metrics that will help you do this easily are Ground ball percentage, strikeouts, and walks. Cumulative ERA-scale metrics like FIP and tRA take into account these things and give you a nice, ERA-style number that’s easy to interpret.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I won't give you the satisfaction of actually reading your ramble.
If you are soooo smart and are getting your college paid for….may I ask where you are going and how it is being paid for….Are your grandparents paying for it…if so congrats.
Oh. My. God.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
My sides hurt.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can always pick out the mature smart folks...
… by watching for the guys who refuse to read the argument they get in response to their stated position and go straight for the ad hominem attack.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't feel like reading it because I talked about and supported my opinion prior.
Now it has turned into a free-for-all and it is tough to go back. Especially when no on accepts your stance on something.
So, you have your stance, and refuse to even read other peoples stances
interesting approach. Going into politics?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
OMG!
He’s Mike Walker!
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm flagging myself...
… and feel free to sub in Jim Doyle for Walker’s name.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure it is, in retrospect.
I failed on at least 3 levels with that one. At least I spelled OMG right.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Literacy is hard.
Failure is just success rounded down.
by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is.
But I’ll keep trying.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
They have programs, you know.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
favorite sign of all time (markee)
“Learn to Read Here”
at the Madison Area Literary Council office on park ave
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
That's Dumas to you, mister.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
is Madison good for Journalism?
I’m assuming so…but don’t know.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It's good
but it’s not the best in the Big Ten ;)
by MillerParkSouth on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Madison the best in the Big 10 at anything?
Honest question.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Drinking.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
actually Penn State has the biggest party school honors now nationally
albeit not nominated by playboy
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
It's definitly one of the most prestigous.
Hence me deciding to go there.
Home basketball games.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
What about Sargeants?
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't the UW journalism program lose its accreditation at one point?
It happened while I was looking at colleges, IIRC.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
the anthony witrado skool of jornalism
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The problem is
Claiming ERA is a good stat to assess a pitcher’s talent, let alone justify giving a contract, is NOT an opinion. Its actually willful ignorance. Particularly given that Jordan took the time to tell you why ERA is bad to use in that regard.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow was that ridiculous.
The comment thread equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying “Lalalalalalalalalalala”.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
Rec'd. With all my usernames.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It's a thought though.
I want to see more of my comments greenified.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Me too
Let’s create a team of rec’ing sock puppets.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
A team of recing sock puppets...
… otherwise known as the Cub fans at the other BCB.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW~!
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
dammit
I was going to post a Cubs wow earlier, too
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not a troll....people have non-stopped attacked my opinion of Melvin
and I have fought back.
I'm not so sure that's what's happened
People have disagreed with you, which you’ve interpreted as a personal attack, which has given you some sort of rationalization to just keep cramming your “opinion” down our throats, while playing the victim when we disagree, present evidence contrary to your opinion, and respond with our own opinions. I think that sums it up.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Green'd
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh boy
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Here, I'll say it so even Schottsie can understand
Short fences turn long balls into homers
by nullacct on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
which is why Todd Wellemeyer sucks on the road
Not that it’s particularly relevant to a Brewers conversation, but that’s the first example that comes to mind.
Okay go away if you're not willing to fucking debate
I thought this was a pretty interesting discussion and thought you might learn something after coming in and telling off some established commenters, if you can’t read THREE. PARAGRAPH. explanation even to satisfy your own curiosity, good luck in college. Madison by the way. Scholarship/grant.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
God I hope you two are roomates.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
So hope
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Please let this happen infant baby Jesus.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I actually am rooming with a friend from my high school...
Which is weird because I don’t have any friends that don’t live on the internet.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Your lie is transparent!
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
They're INSIDE the computer?
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Sweet see you there!
Tough to get full-ride scholarships non-athletically.
Yeah.
It generally requires being willing to read the arguments of people who disagree with you.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I did just say tuition, not full ride
But thanks anyways.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
What kind of scholarship is it?
Most are not even close to full ride.
Why bother when you can try to display your epeen about the college your going to
…to a bunch of folks who have either attended, currently attend or are going to attend said college and/or an equivalent place of higher learning?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
epeen? Really?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it makes me chuckle
so does ‘butthurt’, but I don’t want to get in trouble.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
On this thread, you should be.
If this sucker isn’t 30% green by morning they should just pull the rec button altogether.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not really.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
However, I think we're forgetting who's the moderator and who's the first-day commenter.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
You're not a moderator, you're the king! Or is it God.
I forget.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
How about Poet-God-King...
… or Nero, for short.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I'm calling Jordan "Tut" from now on.
The Boy King, now and forever.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 19, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Come on.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Lame.
I think there’s a Lincoln quote about fools that applies.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Abraham Lincoln once said,
If you are racist, I will attack you with the north. That one?
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
Some poor bastard is going to get up tomorrow
see 700 comments on the post-game thread, and wonder: “What the hell? Did they go through the farm system from A to Z last night?”
No. No, we did not.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
We could.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said we could.
We won’t.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Have you SEEN the man's dirt squirrell?
Its as impressive as a Brillo pad.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want Axford and Melvin in a 'stache off.
Loser leaves town match.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
See, that's PROBABLY an awesome idea
but I haven’t been able to watch a game for a while, and I haven’t seen this newly-mustachioed Axford.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It's pretty impressive.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's just say
he may or may not spend a good deal of his time off tying young women to train tracks.
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Actually I got home at 10 PM Pacific, saw 1300 unread comments.
My eyes bugged out, and then I started scrambling through the internets to find out if Melvin and Macha had been fired, Suppan cut, and Hoffman cut/DLed.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
i was figuring that too
when it was 400 or so i figured something must have gone down, but then again no one fanshat
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I am a senior...Last two weeks.
I’m not worried about being rested up for school sorry. I am already admitted to a college and am more worried about that. Thanks for your concern though.
Shouldn't worry about it.
Freshman and Sophomore years at most colleges are jokes. Where are you going, if you don’t mind me asking?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
god...
I hope I don’t have to instruct you
oh, good…you said madison. although you soil my alma mater with your presence
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop thinking what you want others to think is actually the case.
Failure is just success rounded down.
I tried pointing that out a couple of times already, with little success.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He likes himself some straw man.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Atrocities? Really?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Ranks up there with World War II, I guess.
Perception is reality?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Reading this thread after the fact = internet equivalent of the Bataan Death March?
by Zeyes on May 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Only entirely voluntary...
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except for the "just can't look away from the train wreck" factor.
by Zeyes on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This.
This thread is making my head hurt the morning after, and somehow I can’t resist the urge to read the rest.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 19, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec
I laughed
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call that an "atrocity"
But if you want me to re-phrase, stop making yourself a victim. I suggest you check the archives of this site to find many reasons why relying on ERA alone is a poor argument. Also, becoming familiar with the usual discourse of this site would be beneficial.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Hey, that's where my degree is from!
Now we have something in common!
Wait…no we don’t.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Mine too.
Two of them, in fact. Hopefully he doesn’t come out as illiterate as I apparently did… :)
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
They didn't let me in
Stupid foreign language requirement. Oh well. My 100,000 went elsewhere.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Yeah what do you need 2 years?
High school language classes are typically a joke anyways.
Wow 100,000?
Sucker
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Rounded up.
To the nearest 100K.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Was it worth it?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
College never is.
Could train a monkey to do my job.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not quite
but a reasonable approximation.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Especially if you're foolish enough to be a history major.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
They still allow that???
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
They waive all that crap when you're old when you apply...
.. like I was.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Not if you're from Wisconsin and do it right
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Scholarships, AP credit, not taking 5 years to graduate, making smart housing choices...
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Threatening to go to Michigan if they don't give you more money...
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Getting a chick pregnant and raking in grants
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Over the line?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be, haven't looked in awhile.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I'm actually going to be paying just $350 a month next year.
Which isn’t bad at all. About $2000 less than the dorms.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
I was in school for 7.
Just for access to equipment.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a nice house.
It wasn’t paid for from film, but with an even more worthless degree. Music.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
Yeah, no way
Granted it was 12 years ago when I started, but I only ended with 30k in loans.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
20 mil?
Er…
Tuition+books is NOT 20k/year.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm....I'm already looking at dorm costs, books, eating, tuition and other aspects.
And have found that it will be 20k a year roughly….Like I said…I would know seeing as I am already applying for sufficient loans.
You're out of state then?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Good to see they're finally passing the buck to the students
I don’t have to pay your way with my taxes anymore. Huzzah!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huzzzzzzzzah!
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would know as I have already applied for loans and received said loans.
It’s not $20,000 a year. Have fun getting the refund checks. It will be nice until you realize that you are losing money on those checks because of the interest you will be paying.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
Not if you get your tuition paid for
(sorry, I’m an asshole)
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
A full-ride doesn't always mean sports.
ROTC for example pays for college.
Wow...really bragging about it.
That’s really cool…no wonder your anointed the crown of this blog.
Ted Simmons Speed Camp
I did not call you illiterate…I said the things you were posting were illiterate as in I could not read or understand some things you were getting at. It was in no means a personal attack.
You don't need a comma between "word" and "then"
by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh me too
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
His comma usage is an atrocity.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah
Kick BUCKS out for using language unknown to some here.
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't make you a troll.
It does make you an ironic editor.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
illiterate <> unintelligable
or beyond-my-scope-of-understanding
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i knew some dumbshits during my time in madison
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Go on...
They probably weren’t “dumb” because you usually have to be quite intelligent to get accepted there. Like a 3.7 gpa and higher and a 26 ACT and higher.
26 ACT is easy
and a high school GPA is simple to manipulate. Our valdictorian was one of the dumbest girls I knew.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
True...there is a lot of grade inflation in high schools.
But saying a 26 on the ACT is easy is rather debatable. Madison’s standards are by far the toughest in the state. So as a generalization, you have to be “smart” to go there.
Madison’s standards are by far the toughest in the state.
Definitely true.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I had a 26 on the ACT when I was in 7th grade
sooooo easy for some, yes
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
for some exactly...not for others. Some people are born without pure intelligence.
For them it isn’t “easy.” Don’t be ignorant.
I suppose you would know this more than most.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
I saw this shirt once in a shop on State Street
It said
“No one gives a shit about your high school GPA”
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I say that everytime
a resume for an internship comes across my desk, right before I shred it.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Of what?
He’s starting his first year at the school I got my degree from.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I did not live in the dorms
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
If you do college right, that should make you jealous.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
True
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to disrespect your future school.
It’s not that hard. Also GPA ≠ intelligent.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not that hard...thats impossible to say. It goes from person to person.
I had to earn my GPA my working my ass off in tough advanced and AP classes. I took the ACT two times to achieve a high score. Don’t tell me that it is not hard to get in. It changes from person to person.
Yeah, it sucks that they use GPA
Because of people like you and I.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
real schools use GORP
(GPA over replacement value) :P
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
A for effort
C+ for execution. Had potential.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
What school will that GPA get you into?
Failure is just success rounded down.
by TheJay on May 18, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Madison
just supplement it with a lot of bullshit “classes” like graphics, arts, woodworking, autos, and gym, and it’ll jack that GPA right up there.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
those classes have their place as well
but in terms of a madison education are not so well placed. But the best cla
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Pags died mid post again.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
okay...attempted browser switch...
best classes I took while enrolled at UW were not at UW but rather MATC
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
AP classes weren't tough when I took them
sure there was a fair amount of homework
but yeah, it’s quite possible times have changed
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
word to the debatably wise
It’s better to take those classes at the college level and not skip ahead. I had 5s on all my AP exams and getting the bonus credits slowed me down in some respects
would have been better off taking them one at a time.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Counterpoint
having 8 APs under my belt let me take a lot more classes I was interested in and avoid taking a bunch of low level prereqs.
by MillerParkSouth on May 18, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't find that to be the case so far
I got 5 on history and was well into the 5s on the practice test for psych.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Still boasting eh....
I could post all of my high school achievements too…However I do not feel the need. Perhaps you need more in life than just cyber friends.
That's a pretty douchey response
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where was he bragging?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 18, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
^this^
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That's totally unnecessary
Again, someone posts his opinion, and you take it as a personal attack. I think we’ve got enough data points to call this a trend, anyone concur?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
YES!
Someday I will leave my basement and stop furiously typing on mom’s computer. Never mind then I thought the tests were really hard.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 18, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey we are both going to the same place bud....
Looks life we are both leaving the basement soon.
Not sure if the sarcasm was observed there but I'll accept it.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
warning though
college kicked my ass. still does:P
by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I had a 3.25 GPA.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
Can people please stop saying that I should or will be banned?
I think I have been quite reasonable…In fact more people have ripped me personally than I to them.
Who's said that?
Also, who has ripped you personally? If you’re claiming you haven’t ripped anyone personally, than certainly no one has ripped you.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
We've all been nice lately
Plus, I can’t find them. Also, disagreement <> ripping. Still.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Maybe I missed it...
.. but the only discussion of banning I’ve seen (aside from you and Franz bringing it up) were when you were actually violating rules and KL cautioned you. Relax.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I speculated on your trolliness.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
My parting words
I accept that this is probably my last post to this website; I would assume the admin will find something that I did wrong, even though I do not believe I did anything wrong. I would expect that many of you will be getting the boot with me and other pro-Melvin people here. If some of you that have continuously attacked myself and other pro-Melvin posters aren’t booted than I would assume this be an incredibly biased and worthless board and I will stop reading it. It is a shame of you take a competitive team for granted, especially in a small market. It is just time to realize that we had a farm system that was not equipped with good pitching. That is probably nobodies fault, just bad luck.
I’d say its time for some to quick personally attacking people and for others to quit pointing fingers at people who are constructively criticizing them. I hope everybody here learned something from this attacking of pro-Melvin individuals.
From Scotland with love,
Franz Ferdinand
by FranzFerdinand on May 18, 2010 11:48 PM CDT reply actions
kkthxbye
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Too many wrongitudes with this to reply to.
No one’s getting banned.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Love your country Franz.
Personally, I’ll be surprised if anyone gets the hook out of this thread. Most of the worst stuff happened with KL was still around and he could have yanked them then if he wanted to. Time will tell, I guess.
Oh and, Melvin sucks.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
TL;DR
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He'd love Scotland, I bet.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 18, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
"From Scotland"?
Well, that settles it. I guess he DIDN’T know the other guy. They’re a whole ocean apart.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on May 18, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just a dork at the matinee
my friends were into every Glaswegian band with an international presence at one point; there’s only so much Belle and Sebastian one can listen to, especially since I’m the one who got stuck explaining “Piazza, New York Catcher” to them.
Yes. Follow your own advice, please
Thanks. Good luck finding your echo chamber.
Failure is just success rounded down.
I would assume the admin will find something that I did wrong, even though I do not believe I did anything wrong.
Hooray martyrdom!
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 19, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This has been great fun
A nice distraction from the SUCKNESS of losing eight in a row. I leave you with
Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
by nullacct on May 19, 2010 12:04 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Respect the beverage, man.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I've cleared tomorrow mornings calendar
and replaced it with re-reading this thread.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I have a sneaking suspicion that this thread will be removed/deleted. Tis a shame. As frustrating as it has been, it will be rather entertaining to re-read.
Let’s remember some of you debated that Hawkins was better than Coffey.
Then said Coffey is okay and so was Hoffman at times.
And then I said that was my point and confused you guys….good times, good times.
You should get an English degree and then an MFA in creative writing.
This is where your talents lie, padawan.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Hawkins is better than Coffey so far this year. Coffey is also okay. Those aren’t mutually exclusive. And my “Hoffman was okay” comment was referring to last year, which 99.99% of people have accepted as a fluke.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Last year was a fluke?
How about the 20 previous…all flukes?
He wasn't 42 with no command 20 years ago.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Fluke
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
not like you're going to read this, but
Hoffman’s 2009 was even an outlier for Trevor Hoffman, especially because his previous seasons showed some signs of decline. I think most of us expected Hoffman to regress to 2007-08 levels, at the least, but we weren’t expecting this.
I think I'd actually pay to hear him...
… describe this exchange to his friends tomorrow.
“so then, like, this guy came on and said, Melvin sucks, and I was all, Melvin doesn’t suck, and he was all, does too, and then I told them not to ban me just because I disagreed and then after they all said I was right. It was AWESOME.”
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
RIDE BIKES!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
WOW~!
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 19, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'd tell my friends too if I had any
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's the thing
You can come in and make valid points. But if you’re going to dismiss my legitimate argument as to why using ERA over 20 innings as a way to judge a pitcher (and refuse to read it) you have no credibility whatsoever with anyone here— and whining about how your argument got dismissed is pretty stupid if you’re doing the same to mine. If you want to continue, I’d suggest going up to that comment, reading it over, and then responding with what you think. If you have a problem with my methodology or reasoning, bring it up, or if you change your mind, let us know.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I assume you are talking about Vargas'? correct
Okay fine, forget Vargas and take the other 6 pitchers. I don’t care, it’s still the same point.
Not really
In general: it is not possible to successfully determine how good a pitcher is by looking at 20 innings of ERA.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
And most people don't
People are saying Coffey was bad last year because he lost 5 games. He had a 2.90 era over a whole year. He pitched great last year. There you go.
Nope
They’re saying this year he hasn’t pitched as well as his ERA indicates (or indicated) and has pitched less well than Hawkins. He did pitch well last year. I know this, but not because of his ERA.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
If only we could all go back to
Old Vargas
by MillerParkSouth on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wouldn't Old Vargas pitch even slower?
by morineko on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, he'd yammer on about his ERA in between pitches.
by Zeyes on May 19, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I remember back in aught-6..."
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
hahaha
oh rec! sweet, sweet rec!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I see what you did there
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh really he hasn't pitched well this year?
Besides being our most reliable late-inning closer. He had one bad game. ONE, and we are acting like we run (no pun intended) Suppan out there whenever Coffey enters. Pathetic to debate.
Is that even an unintentional pun?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not punny.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
for someone seeking a Journalism degree
he sure has a poor grasp of the English language.
Anthony, is that you?
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
He only responds to Numba 1 Stunna.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I assume you mean Anthony Witrado?
How do I have a poor grasp?
You think a lot of 18 year olds have a better grasp than me?
Some don’t even know the difference between “there” “they’re” and “their”
Neither do you, you've messed it up at least once in this thread, that I can recall.
Probably more.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Thanks for creeping on me…I wasn’t trolling just putting there team in perspective.
by BUCKS on May 18, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
That is a personal attack
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope. Just doing what I was asked to do.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Don't personally attack me by disagreeing with my opinion
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
English, is it?
I’ll bet you’ve heard my name before, then.
I know you’ll run over to the goggles.com and look it up. The internets are fun.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny Jordan.
You should be rather embarrassed that I am attending the same university as you next year. They must let a lot of “idiots” in.
I do believe I did at the ripe age of 18
perhaps I am misled
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
christ...
i just read my own post as “I died at the ripe age of 18” and became suddenly concerned about my health.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Ghosts that come back to haunt comment threads...
… get all the cool ghost chicks. Like Amelia Earhart and Joan of Arc.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Is now
a bad time to point out how well Suppan’s pitched out of the pen? (best bullpen tRA on the team)
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
We're not saying he's bad.
We’re saying he hasn’t pitched as well as Hawkins. They both have been solid this year.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
HAWKINS SUCKED THIS YEAR.
Are you kidding me. He blew like 3 straight games he pitched in.
2
and those were his only poor outings in which he wasn’t hurt. Maybe you should pay more attention. Every other outing has been good.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
But I mean Todd Coffey blew two games last year!!!
That means that he didn’t pitch as well as his ERA states…..HAHAHAHAHAHA sarcasm
Coffey had four blown saves in 2009
Is that a personal attack or not?
Failure is just success rounded down.
No, the DIPS says he didn't pitch as well as his ERA states
the outcome of the games don’t really have a say in that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….. fact.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
don't say DIPS
he might think that’s a personal attack
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Quite using DIPS and start watching games
He would come in, in bases loaded jams and get out of it. He had a 5 out save in New York that. He was our closer at the beginning of the season (after Villa). Maybe you should watch the games instead of using DIPS.
I haven't missed a game in 2 years.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I think you've used every one of
these tonight.
Congrats.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is that a list of logical fallacies?
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Tanslate please.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny internet arguments.
The fallacy link is next.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
in all fairness
I thought this until earlier today too (other than the 3 in a row bit)
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but once it was pointed out to you,
you accepted that maybe you might have been a little harsh, no? Or were you irrational and childish about it?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
perhaps a touch childish
but i got over it
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
PITCHERS DO NOT CONTROL THEIR ERA
They have some influence, but do not control it. I hope the capitals make that easy and short, and hopefully you are able to read the whole thing.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
What stat gives you a pitchers effectiveness without any influence....none!
even if you do balls in play, plays that should be made, etc. It doesn’t matter. There will always be outside influences that’s what makes the game so great. It’s a team game.
So, you know NOTHING about advanced stats.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It is impossible to know how effective a pitcher can be.
I don’t care what advanced stat you use. Sure you can give me a number rounded to the hundredths that shows a pitchers quality without their defense involved. And you know what? I don’t care, because fielders are part of the game. Luck is part of the game. Get over it.
Right
Fielders ARE part of the game. Which is why you can’t use ERA to judge pitchers, because they’re not going to have the same fielders in year N as they did in N-1. Use ERA to judge a team. You can’t use it to justify signing a pitcher.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
let me extend that a bit
when you sign a pitcher, you don’t sign all the fielders that were behind him and bring his stadium. You sign him and him alone.
The point in removing other players from the equation is then you can evaluate who the best candidate is for the pitching job – then you do the same with the other positions on the diamond (but there you consider offense and defense) and build a team.
I suppose it doesn’t stop there – there’s the psychology of the players to consider as well and the overall “makeup” of the squad.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I know luck is a big part of the game
So is defense. That doesn’t mean I give up trying to determine which pitchers are best and just say fuck it lets run a bunch of guys out there. FIP isn’t going to rank every pitcher perfectly in terms of skill. But by looking at a variety of numbers and observing, one can analyze and learn more, and then form a better idea about what the team should do and what baseball is all about.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Why build a house with a hammer when you've got a nail gun?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
it's impossible to know!
fuckin’ magnets, how do they work?
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on May 19, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you familiar with FIP and tRA
I’ll keep it simple, but FIP is strikeouts, walks, and home runs allowed on an ERA scale. tRA takes the average run value for a line drive, fly ball, ground ball, walk, and strikeout to come up with a number of runs that should have been allowed per 9 innings. Outside factors have little influence on either. Why do you think we like them so much?
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
WHICH ONE?!?!
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You like them because it gives you a definite number.
It means nothing….NOTHING. Errors happen. They happen for ALL pitchers and all teams.
....
And they have nothing to do with how well someone pitched.
That’s the point.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
First off I base how good a pitcher is by actually watching them.
Next I look at ERA.
Why?
Because it is the most available stat and it gives a good indication of how good a pitcher is (not perfect, but what is?). I don’t need these crazy formulas to figure out how good a pitcher is. I guess you guys do.
You're on the internet
EVERY stat is available.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's nothing like anecdotal evidence.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
A list of pitchers sorted by strikeouts per inning
will give you a more logical ranking based on skill than a ranking of ERA. Don’t tell me that strikeouts are a crazy formula or hard to find.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
you're also failing to realize
that we are the type of people interested in baseball enough to write a lot on a website about baseball. We’re not going to stick with ERA and say fuck it call it a day. That was a couple of decades ago.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
yes, ERA is the most accessible
and is a good starting point, but isn’t a be-all end-all stat like you’re saying it is.
It could be worse…he could be prattling on about how W-L is the best stat ever.
Everyone here is acknowledging that ERA has SOME value, at least in a slightly modified form.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Soo...
I’ve missed a hand full of games over the past 5 or 6 years. What’s your point? I still thought signing Hoffman in 2009 was an ill-advised move. He had an absolutely phenomenal year. But, based on the statistics from 2008 in a more hitter-friendly environment, I projected him to regress in 2010. I didn’t predict him to Turnbow, but that’s what’s happening.
I’ll bet you thought, just using your eyes in 2009, that Hoffman was going to repeat his 1.80 ERA, right?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
just because baseball isn't deterministic
doesn’t mean we can’t attempt to assess likely outcomes given past data
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
You are an idiot
That was a personal attack.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, I'm significantly smarter than you
Of that I have no doubt.
I just wanted to let you know when I was personally attacking you. So you didn’t get all confused-like again.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Stop trying to put words in others (my) mouth
No one said Coffey was bad. He’s not pitching that well THIS YEAR. He pitched well last year (and I’m not using ERA to back that up). His ERA was a little exaggerated, but he did pitch well last year. It’s even more exaggerated this year.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Nope, he was the second best pitcher out of the pen last year.
after Burns.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Awww, bromance?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a mancrush on Robert Downey Jr.
Do you think he will have a whisky with me?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I got sad when he discovered the new element
I wanted to be the one to do it for him.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
you know what this thread needs?
More moonbounce with bacon!
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
um...try reading it again
or do you need us to copy-paste it to the bottom of the thread so you can find it?
Jordan: fanshot?
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE?
WHY DID I GO TO THE BAR?
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 11 recs
Enjoy yourself.
Might want to get some coffee.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Don't you mean Deke?
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Glad I happened to drop in tonight
And I can’t say I planned to stay up till this hour but it’s been worth it for the interesting discussion.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I tried to leave 90 minutes ago.
Like a black hole.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This just became my favorite comment on this entire thread.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
How am I going to effectively catch up on this while promoting #SundressMonth?
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I may make this my sig line.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Never mind.
You have to know DM for it to be as funny as I find it.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Good lord, help me!
The comments are moving too fast! And my feed is jumping all over the place!
LOUD NOISES!
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I thought you were using
“I really confused that basketball fan”
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
Hmmm… decisions, decisions.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
This whole thread should be renamed...
…. I really confused that basketball fan.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
confused about confusion
okay…i’m tired, but that’s enormously funny right now
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I loved that song.
I’m old.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok.
I don’t think I did. It’s a reference to a comment made by someone else above that I found funny.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
WOW~!
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 19, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
And who the hell is BUCKS?
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT reply actions
The antagonist.
One of them.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I can't even come close to catching up
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I wouldn't bother trying
pretty much everyone is still here.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Franz left.
I kind of liked that guy. I disagreed with him, but he wasn’t a dick about it.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
He was just a dick to me
So, you have your foil and I have mine.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
It’s tough to catch everything.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He was prickly.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I joined late
And I’ve been here for over 600 comments.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I left for a half hour and came back.
Like an hour ago.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you've been gone?
I haven’t kept up well, and i’ve been here since comment 250 or so
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Doug Melvin, apparently.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Long time reader, first time poster, first time reader
Failure is just success rounded down.
by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
Sublime. Absolutely sublime.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ, guys.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
There you go forgetting who are the moderators again.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
dumb
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Screw it, I'm pouring a drink
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT reply actions
I'll join you.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
ditto
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Not even participating in this mayhem, but I'm gonna grab a beer while I read.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Why did I casually log on to BCB 6 hours before work starts?
I just can’t look away…
I know this has been said, but I’ve couldnt be more positive that Franz and BUCKS are one in the same.
by LosinCatmansLove on May 19, 2010 12:29 AM CDT reply actions
I think we can bank
On the mug being late tomorrow morning as KL reads this entire thread and hopefully gets as much enjoyment as I am.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
The mug is just going to be a collective scolding.
Nobody will comment because everyone will be serving a suspension.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Definitely likely.
Or we’ll have broken SBNation by then.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
nah, I think they can handle it
McCovey Chronicles runs 1200+ comment threads all the time, and they’re still around.
I have no idea what the signature really meant
But that reminds me of Lavender’s old signature about penalty minutes for hijinxing.
Failure is just success rounded down.
by TheJay on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man
This is some entertaining stuff. I’m sure glad I decided to check the site before I went to bed…over an hour ago.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
I truly did not intend for this. I posted my argument left for over 2 hours and casually checked again.
I came back to crazy remarks, and suggestions. Along with attacks towards me. I defended them.
Note to JimiBrewha
BUCKS doesn’t know what an “attack” actually is.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
And, when confronted with evidence that disproves said argument, actually gets defensive
rather than ‘defends’ anything.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Let him decide for himself.
Tis rather obvious who is correct.
Indeed it is.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Assuming he's willing to read that argument, which he periodically refuses to do.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you.
I thought it might be dual for a while, but I no longer believe that.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Unless you're working from two IP addresses, you're clean because the accounts were created from different ones
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Whew! You've been cleared!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
heh
i could easily create SBNation accounts in 3 different states + another country without breaking a sweat if I wanted.
and that’s without even masking IPs
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
As an innocent bystander...
If there is such a thing on this site. After reading this entire thread I have to say that there seems to have been a little antagonizing from both ends, however I think it is pretty well rooted in a valid discussion regarding the merits of ERA. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but on here you’re not going to get anywhere spouting your own opinion without taking in the merits of others opinions as well. Case in point, They are doing an excellent job of breaking down the benefits and deficits in ERA above and I think it can enlighten all baseball fans knowledge of the game by understanding those merits.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope no one uses this thread for any sort of enlightenment any time soon.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Really? That's all it takes at 1 AM?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
TWSS
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think I was the first below somewhere
it’s just our threads got really messy
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I would post something here but then Noah would disapprove of me
Failure is just success rounded down.
damn...
it was a trap and I almost lured you in
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
and yes: I admit to being the first TWSS
8 minutes before
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
FEAR ME
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Alright, I'm going to bed.
Work tomorrow.
Thanks for the laughs, guys.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 12:39 AM CDT reply actions
no fair
i’m on the east coast
you’re not allowed to go to bed before me wench!
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Whats the post number at?
Let’s just agree to stop arguing. It’s pointless. There, the “troll” is tired and needs to get up early tomorrow. Sorry guys.
Nobody wants to read through thousands of posts…even Jordan.
He is smart enough evidently that he could read through all of them in seconds. From what I heard.
ROFLCOPTER.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
So much so that I can't see that.
I’m still on a supercomputer (should probably go home, come to think of it), so no bogging for me.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Nah, I used it already once
WAY back there…
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
and my uses are only to mock him,
I’m not 12, and wouldn’t post something that stupid normally.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
1200+ comments?
What the hell just happened here?
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
A few immmature posters decided to start a pointless fight.
by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Two of them, to be specific.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does one start with b and the other with f?
I’ve merely glanced at the content in this thread. It’s like I’m reading Infinite Jest.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
Acceptable TW-S's uttered on BCB in that time frame: 1
by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
All the bloggers on here have been immature at points.
Hey, but it’s fun.
You're an idiot
and I’m smarter than you. Because I have a degree from UW-Madison. And you don’t go there. If my dad was still alive, he’d beat your dad up.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will be going there...so your point?
Intelligence is not measured in schooling…In fact intelligence and smartness can not be measured at all.
"Intelligence is not measured in schooling…In fact intelligence and smartness can not be measured at all."
I’m not so sure. That sentence does a pretty good job at measuring intelligence.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a lot like pitching skill!
If you’re ignoring like 8 metrics that measure pitching skill.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
OH, you've never conversed with me
I’m simply drunk and leaning towards bed right now.
We shall fight another day
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Did you know, that ERA is used to decide the quality of a pitcher, Noah? Also, it should be used to determine who gets big contracts.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
If you know you're fucked trying to respond to an argument, don't bother reading it...
Especially if it’s like 3 paragraphs long. And if you’ve spent 1000 comments debating it already.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Look up the word sarcasm.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, there's nothing sarcastic about Jordan's post
Its just…true.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Well isn't that a brilliant idea.
And exactly the reason I reference it often is game thread write-ups.
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Everything is all out of place for me.
The new comment box is ABOVE this thread.
All we need now are some .gifs!
Number of TW-S's uttered on BCB since May 9, 2010: 30
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The BUCKS the BUCKS
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
YES
didn’t think anyone would make that connection other than me. And as JAMOOL once said, WTF, Why can’t I rec my own post?
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ray Allen....The Tractor....Glenn Robinson Light it UP LIght It UP
I hardly remember that….in fact I don’t at all…but have seen it on youtube lol
Just go to bed, Jordan. Ignore it.
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Shit, I meant Noah. Sorry.
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
That is one of the best compliments I have ever recieved.
Thank you, sir.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Where the hell have you been?!
He’s going to our school!
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I wanted to live in Asparagus
but I couldn’t get in there.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
It's Sellery.
And judging by this thread, you’ll fit in well there.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a personal attack
I take offense to that as a randomly placed freshmen years ago.
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aww, I'm sure you were one of the good ones.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
That was sarcasm wasn't it
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm offended
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
You're offended?
I’m offended that your offended.
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
i was assigned to Ogg East one year
I camped out at the housing office for about 5 days until they changed my assignment to Tripp
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Celery
is not spelled that way in terms of UW-Madison, just for reference and not trying to be an asshole.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Excuse me.
But I was being sarcastic with the spelling. It will take time for you to realize my sarcasm.
I think I would know the spelling.
It was my first choice…
by BUCKS on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh heh heh.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
rec'd
because I know what will happen to you in the showers there
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was clicking my house so very quickly trying to rec this.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Or mouse.
But my house too.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Clicking my house
I take it the marriage is potentially back on then?
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
It won't be his first choice?
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How is that sarcasm?
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
JUST ACCEPT IT
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Accept what?
All my relatives have roomed in “celery” and I plan to as well. I knew how to spell it correctly…sorry?
Random comment
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is this thread making me so happy?
I haven’t even read, like, any of it.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We should do this more often.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, you know what I meant.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
It will take time for you to realize.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
New job. Hanging out with the girlfriend.
If I had known this was going to happen, I would have been glued to my computer. I have no idea how there are this many posts.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
There was some
time space continuum talk back there somewhere. That might have something to do with it,
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
How could you possibly have a girlfriend if you write for BCB?
We’re not allowed to have friends. They said so.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Crap.
I should delete that before they find out.
Uhmm…She’s a figment of my imagination! She doesn’t actually exist! I haven’t actually left my basement since I became a contributor….I’m just so lonely….
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
It didn't appreciate me trying to buy it a drink.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
It's just late enough that that passes as acceptable in my book.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
TWSS?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
God damn.
I’ll update the counter when everything calms down a little
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I love it when they bail out after getting backed into a corner with their argument.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I am not bailing...I have been arguing for 3+ hours. I am tired and have to get up in 6 hours.
If that is backing down…I apologize.
Me too it's almost like we go to high school or something.
Good talk. FIP wins.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
So on a more serious note, what happens tomorrow?
Hoffman out of the closer’s gig?
Suppan released?
Macha fired?
I would think some sort of news will come out in order to take peoples’ minds off the losing.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
1. replace with Coffey
2. No to Suppan he has done “relatively well” and they won’t eat his contract
3. Yes, please
"Now that's using your DIPS, Jimmy"
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
by Yar Nivek on May 19, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
1) No way
2) Legitimate.
3) Possible.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
the clubhouse will just have a good chuckle reading this thread
and the batters will go back to raking
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Should I bow down to NoahJ too?
I will be so inferior to everyone at school next year. (sarcasm for Jordan)
What about for the rest of us?
PS: I thought you were leaving?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
We should come up with a universal symbol to denote your sarcasm, like a ~ at the start of the post
Noah: you should just set aside an hour or two tomorrow to read this top to bottom. It’s legendary.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I will probably be doing just that.
I mean, I have to keep up on the TWSS counter.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I would appreciate that.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Good lord
Your parents should pay for a shrink, not college.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
It's personal
but it’s not an attack, it’s good advice
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
not everyone
just anyone i would willingly associate with
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Awaiting the "Wednesday Morning Frosty WTF is wrong with you people" tomorrow.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 12:56 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Every time somebody says "rec" Jordan earns a dollar.
(Or was I not supposed to reveal the tuition secret?)
by Zeyes on May 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
HIS TUITION IS BEING PAID FOR!!!!!
It was already being flaunted in your face enough today.
And by enough, he means not at all.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Can we not suck up to him?
What do you get out of it?
A new cyber friend?
I don't even know the guy
I like his work, and I respect his opinion.
And he hasn’t bragged, he’s stated a fact. Lots of ’em, actually.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Obviously you don't know him.
Hopefully I get the chance to next year!~
Obviously?
I know a few people from the site IRL… not many, but it’s silly to assume I don’t know everyone here. It’s not anonymous.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I think it might have to be the Wednesday Morning Spliff
I could use one if I wasn’t on the job search.
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Thankfully, I wrote the Mug first, then started reading this.
Then left for a shower, breakfast and errands, and came back. Getting ready to take another break from it for lunch.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on May 19, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
There was a time I was just hoping this thread would get to 1000.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I'm excited to go to ged and wake up to another 1000 by morning
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ged?
bed too
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Tomorrow I am going to count the number of rec's on this thread.
Anyone up for an over/under?
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They are recommends. They are used for recommending comments. There is a button for it when you click actions.
Many of them have been used on posts that were replies to you.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Why thank you Noah!
I wish I could have two roommates next year at Madison!~
Maybe we could live in an apartment together!~
Go to weekend games!~
Discuss sports!~
Weren't you leaving a half hour ago?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
This sounds enjoyable.
Call me.
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This thread is ridiculous.
Glad to have fueled it a lil. Long live the General Moustache!
by MillerParkSouth on May 19, 2010 1:00 AM CDT reply actions
I think we broke the internet though
The sidebar is in a funny place.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
As is the
new comment box.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Hey, jinx!
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As is the new comment box.
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Cool...now to officially catch up.....
Suck up to the Moderators….I guess it’s really fun….It makes you feel all tingly inside.
I think I'm beyond the need to suck UP to them
but that kirbir girl…
oh, nevermind
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's just gonna get lost here.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It makes me feel all tingly inside.
No ~.
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You know
I was a little surprised by the ending though. There were at least 4 different occasions where I was positive someone was at least getting a temporary ban with the way things were shaping up…
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 19, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Kyle doesn't seem to be around.
The banhammer might come down tomorrow.
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Eh.
This guy’s being antagonistic and is poor at arguing, but we’ve been baiting him, certainly. We’ve had some fun here and the discussion would’ve been decent if he would’ve read my response.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I discussed with people prior to your post.
I also commented on how it is just part of the game….Errors happen….Non-perfect fielding happens (Jody Gerut ehm), slow players happen, bad swings happen, lucky pitches happen. It is all part of the game.
ERA gives me a solid indication of a pitcher. If a pitcher is good, he will do fine even without good fielding. I don’t need all the “perfect” stats, because baseball isn’t perfect. Even in perfect games.
There hope I cleared it up for you. I am not just on here to cause a scene.
Right.
but we’re trying to measure pitchers ability. Not pitcher + fielders ability. ERA is okay for the latter, not the former. The former is what needs to be measured when giving out contracts.
Oh wait, we’ve already been over this 425 times tonight.
If he’s not going to get it, he’s not going to get it.
Also, irrational dig at Jody Gerut.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
don't use names like latter and former
or he might think you’re talking about the lead guy of a construction firm scaling the project
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a saber-centric blog.
You are probably not going to find many people here who agree with you about ERA. Many great baseball minds have shown why it is a flawed statistic. I do not believe this needs to be rehashed.
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Well, we wasted about 1400 comments then.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think this was the best possible use for those comments.
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I pasted this into word to make sure it doesnt get lost in the internets
and its 284 word pages
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 1:05 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
You're going to need to update that.
I don’t think this is even close to being done.
Also, if it’s lost, I am relying on you to send me a copy.
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Am I really that entertaining?...I don't think so.
Perhaps you guys need lives????
...except it's Tuesday
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on May 19, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we're just really good at self-entertaining with you around
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I was test piloting fighter jets earlier prior to wrestling alligators.
This is just what I do in between.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
get a ife, broseph
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on May 19, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
srs bsns
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Now I really am going to bed.
Took me half an hour just to go through and rec the comments that deserved it.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 19, 2010 1:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
WOW~!
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Tis a Bucks term...you simple minded baseball fans wouldn't understand.
Try picking up other sports too.
Why would I need other sports?
I’ve got baseball.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I will send you five dollars if you can tell me the reason he said WOW~!
This does not apply to anybody else, by the way.
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Easy money
given he’s a long time reader.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're gonna be sleepy in school tomorrow.
at least I can stay home.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Good to know. Nevermind then.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
Please. I feel like we can be on a first name basis.
Feel free to call me Noah.
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Your real name is Noah!?!?
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I feel it was the appropriate time to reveal that.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I give you credit for typing the full phrase.
It’s not going to count as an acceptable, though.
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Yes, we've all bonded in this thread.
Wait.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
not sure, you're the smart one.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I'm still here. Your theory is confirmed.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Psht, we blew by that hours ago (maybe not).
Enjoy it. Seriously, it’s the most pseudo-brewer related fun I’ve had in a long time.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I pray this hits 2000.
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mmmmmm mud puppy porter
If you refresh the page, the new comment box goes lower
http://www.mlbsoup.com
It's working ~
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It will heal stronger than ever.
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The First Rule of BUCKS Club:
- If your ignorance is outed by a more intelligent individual on the internet, ALWAYS claim you were being sarcastic. Actual sarcasm not necessary.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on May 19, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I feel like I must compliment Jordan and Noah (i learned!~)
Congrats on being accepted into Madison…You must have gotten lucky.
Likewise!
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Ah, another nonsensical personal attack
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
it was a joke
I’m roflmao’ing as we type.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
You do realize that everytime you say something you want to take back
You can’t just mask it by saying that you were joking, right?
http://www.mlbsoup.com
I've got a joke!
Jeff Suppan’s contract!
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by Noah Jarosh on May 19, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOLLERSKATES!
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
by Mykenk on May 19, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I bet you didn't think it was a joke at the time
But then again you probably just started watching the Brewers two years ago.
you may think that
by my responses on the thursday thinkers
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
but that's really because I killed my long-term memory
at some point in the past. I don’t remember how
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I have fully admitted to liking the Jeff Suppan contract when it was announced.
That was back when I still actually used ERA as a relevant statistic.
And I actually haven’t watched the Brewers play baseball yet. All I have are spreadsheets.
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Please show me the DIPS on Supppan his last year as a Cardinal (and count postseason if you want)
I’m sure they were respectable.
Well, his FIP was 4.70.
If I knew about advanced statistics then, I would have probably been really pissed off at the deal.
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Right.
That’s 5th starter, 1 year, 3 mill stats.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It's minor league callup league minimum stats.
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3 mil?
that’s like 1/7 of the UW annual tuition!
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
SAT is more for schools on either coast.
ACT is better for Madison.
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Well then.
i actually wonder if that helps. Maybe the powers that be are impressed by applicants who do that.
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I never used either.
I waited a few years to go to college. They never cared about any of that.
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
was a reference to him asserting that he was sure the tuition at UW was 20 mil
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Your point being?
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Damn.
I need to go home, I gotta be back here in 5 hours.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
For the real fans still here:
Capuano 3 ER in 6 1/3 innings
But I guess those stats really don’t count.~
Rehab stats don't really count.
but no walks is encouraging, actually nice to see him struggle a little, make sure he’s still human. Hope to see him in a month or 2.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
It is a good sign
Hitting only 85 on the gun kind of scares me though.
He's never been a velocity guy
and you have to expect it to come down with 2 fake elbows. As long as he can change speeds and fool hitters, he’ll be okay.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
How's it working for Hoffman this year?
just kidding, but Cappy could get to 90 before…loss of 5mph is a lot. It means is change would have to go down drastically to be as effective.
If Jamie Moyer can still pitch effectively...
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He's only made a few rehab starts
He should gain some of that velocity back. Think of it as spring training. Guys don’t typically take 3 months off and begin throwing at their top velocity, let alone 2 years.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Real fans?
Are they like Scotsmen?
should’ve kept him in a utility roll
by Zorakathura on May 19, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
K, now that I found the new comment box
I’m out. Thanks for the convo and the laughs guys.
I'm not arguing, I'm just offering a relentlessly contrarian point of view.
I'm out (for real)
It’s been fun(ish). Congrats, you guys ripped me apart (50 ppl to 1). But in all seriousness I did not intend this. I will probably not comment anymore on your posts (Or I will just be banned tomorrow), because I do not want to take away from what you guys have going on here. An impressive and newsworthy site.
Good luck at Madison next year guys.
Adios.
Maybe, just maybe
It wouldn’t have happened if you hadn’t called us a bunch of bandwagon fans. Our team is down, we’re pissed, and you shove patriotism in our face – yer gonna get both barrels.
You guys have 1,600 comments in your post game recap?
How does that even happen?
"Batting 4th and doing the catching, says here this guy weighs 210 pounds...I'm not buyin it! It's Brian McCann."
I have no idea.
But man was it fun.
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“Epic” is an overused term.
That said:
THIS WAS EPIC.
I love you all, even — hell, especially — the gremlins.
SRS BSNS
Wow, I can't believe I just read all of that but it was worth it
Get out of my dreams and into my Chuckie Carr
-Molitorfan 12/23/09
Wow.
That was…wow.
Just…WOW~!
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I think I should have a sig of acceptable uses of WOW~!
i don’t believe this would qualify
by PagsBrewCrew on May 19, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
All's fair, I guess.
To be fair, it was my first one, though.
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by Noah Jarosh on May 20, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
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