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The blame isn't totally his....


It really burns me up inside when I hear posters and people in general say "you obviously don't know baseball if you're..." . Its plain and simple people, Macha is NOT and I repeat NOT to blame for the current state of the Brewers and here are several reasons why weather some of you can admit it or not.

(1) Macha can't be blamed for overworking the pitching staff

(reason) When you have Narv going 6 innings and pitching 130+ pitches and Yo going about the same and throwing about 120 the bottomline to that is not the fact that Macha left them in to long its that the PITCHER was not throwing enough strikes. Macha can't throw the ball for them...its their job to go out and get threw the batting order as quickly as possible while throwing as few pitches as they can....which was not the case.

(2) Macha is making do with what he has......

(reason) When you're given guys like Jeff Suppan, Doug Davis, Randy Wolf and a revolving door of others in the starting lineup you really can't expect to win much. I also don't want to hear some "know it all" say "well Davis was a great signing and is a innings eater...he sure isn't a winner but he is doing his job".....is that so?....take a good look at his pitching stats and innings pitched and get back to me on that one LOL. Randy Wolf is a tweener. He is doing ok...not great but ok. I sure am surprised at how well he can swing a bat though.

(3) Why fire Macha when its Melvin thats giving Macha these people to work with......

(reason) Since Melvin took over as GM of our beloved Brewers ( and no thats not sarcasim ) how many times threw those years can you say Melvin has done a good job? .....Bill Hall, Jeff Suppan, JJ Hardy, Missed chances at drafting good talent pitchers included, good free agent signings and the Sabathia trade......and yes I'm going there in my last point.....but bottomline is its Melvin thats at fault not Macha. You could plug in a nutless monkey as GM in NY (yankees) and they'd win consitering they have pitching now.

(4) The Sabathia trade......

Alot of fans are torn over this subject but I'm going there and will dive into it.....the trade for C.C. did very little for the Brewers. Some fans will argue "Sabathia took us to the playoffs"...really? ....how did that benifit the Brewers after?. It didn't much at all. Some could say that after that playoff run more people are now coming to see the games which is a good arguement but it left us in the same spot we were before as a team. Him being here did not bring better freeagents to sign with us....it did not benifit us as a team the next year and overall it made us worse because with all those record ticket sales and sellouts you'd expect some stuff to show for it......but nothing has.

In closing I'd like to make it known that this is just my opinion and I'm not calling any fans out......I just believe the blame is wrongly placed.

......with all do respect to ALL the Brewer fans out there.

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you made the point I was going to

so I will rec this because I think it is smart.

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on May 18, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

P.S. to the P.S.

When I saw the title of the post, I balked a bit. The title could also be that of a spam’d porn advert, so I hesitated a few seconds before clicking. You know…mostly to look over my shoulder.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 18, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Who knows where we could have gone in 2008. It’s easy to look back and say “we were eliminated in the first round” but we were just one more Sabathia win away from a game five which would have carried us into the NLCS. From there, with appropriate rest, who knows where Sabathia would have taken us.

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on May 19, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

We also had a

Sheets/Sabathia top of the rotation at the time of the trade.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on May 20, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would it matter...

Release Hoffman. Thanks, we appreciate the “hard work”, and keep the cash. Move Suppan into the closer spot. How often would we actually have to see him? And could he do much worse? (BTW… hate both of em, but they would never eat both contracts).

by Zak S on May 18, 2010 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't stop laughing at this.

Thanks for posting this. Its cheering me up after a tough loss.

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on May 18, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

See also: 2009 Colorado Rockies

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

1982 Brewers

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also think there is difference between teams that showed an ability to win in years prior to managerial change.

And awful teams that had been bad for years changing a manager. The Brewers, I believe, fall in to the first category.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Then again, maybe we're the '09 D-Backs.

A team in decline.

should’ve kept him in a utility roll

by Zorakathura on May 18, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the 2004 Blue Jays are close, too

Near .500 for a few years.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 18, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...what's he gonna do?

Play the matchups? Not play the matchups? Run a guy out only in the 9th because of his name? Or the 8th? Because that’s ‘his inning’? Leave Edmonds in to face LHP, but not Gerut?

Macha can’t seem to get out of his own way. At some point(read: Oakland), he knew just how his GM wanted him to run things. Now, however, he’s so inconsistent, the only thing you can count on with him is that if he does anything you’re expecting, its leaving a pitcher in to blow up.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 18, 2010 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

clubhouse presence

This reply is based on the assumption that there is true value that comes along with a clubhouse presence. Let’s take Mike Cameron – did he bring more TRUE value to the team beyond what he did on the field – I think most would argue yes, the clubhouse presence he added had an actual impact on the results of the team.

Now, if we reference back to the terrible series against the Padres, shut out in 3 of 4 games. I heard many arguments that ’it’s not Macha’s fault, he can’t go out there and bat for the guys.’ This is correct, he can not. His role as a manager is to manage the game and provide a clubhouse presence (the second assumption of my argument)

I don’t really have much of an opinion, one way or another, as to how he’s managed the games. Yes, I would like to see more steal attempts, but I have taken note that it seems we are doing a bit more hit-n-run these days, which is nice. A different manager would likely have made many of the same moves he has, give or take.

That being said, we are left with his clubhouse presence. The manager is the clubhouse presence of all clubhouse presenceseses (tehe). I have a hard time believing that he brings much, if any, of a positive clubhouse impact on the players.

Macha is an engineer. We need a salesman, because whatever he is selling, it isn’t being bought by the team.

Now I’m not saying that if we get a ‘rah-rah’-Scott Skiles type of guy in there, that Hoffman will start locating his changeup and we won’t see long stretches of offensive droughts, but there comes a time when a change is necessary.

Melvin is safe until the off-season. What sort of changes could a new GM make to turn the team around this year?? And in the event the Brewers turn things around after a Melvin firing, who’s now feeling silly?? (answer: the guy who fired Melvin).

Many of the players are safe too – any realistic changes to bring in new players would be in the form of building for 2011 and beyond. That may be what it comes down to, but for this conversation, the players are going to stay – the investment is already there.

That leaves Macha. Want more? See 2009 Colorado Rockies.

by rschm24 on May 18, 2010 7:34 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

At this point

The issue is more that something drastic obviously needs to be done to hope to turn things around. I’m sure this has been said in previous comments to a further extent, and probably with more analysis behind it, but I’ll say it anyway. The only move that really fits into this category is firing Macha, plain and simple. He may not deserve it, but the team needs it.

by miklovin on May 18, 2010 8:57 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Just once...

I’d love to see Macha get worked up over something. How many changing strike zones have we seen this season? If he’s going to argue, he needs to do it. I see it as being the same thing as if a pitcher doesn’t retaliate after their batter is hit…If Macha doesn’t stick up for his guys enough to possibly get ejected, he’ll lose the clubhouse. Personally I think he already has, even though I have no evidence to truly back it up.

by B0Jesus on May 18, 2010 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree that's its not all Macha's fault

He’s not the one blowing saves. He’s not the one not producing. But this team is full of talented players not performing to their potential, and when that happends for a long period of time, its usually the manager that has to pay. If only to light a fire under their asses.

Personally, I’ve wanted Macha gone since he ruined Mat Gamel’s career, but I digress…

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on May 18, 2010 11:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you

one hundred and ten percent. Macha acts like a corpse. In fact, I’m not sure he’s alive. You’d think by now he would change what he was doing. Fight for the team, get close with them, call them out, do something different at the very least. I’ve wanted him gone for a long time. We KNOW these guys are good and capable of producing. Get a manager in their that the team can trust and respect.

by BIGPAMPERINO on May 19, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Melvin.

Needs to go. Look at the players on the payroll:

Riske-4.5 mil
Hall- 7.15 mil
Suppan- 12.75 mil
Hawkins – 3.3 mil
Hoffman – 8 mil
Looper- 1 mil
Weathers- 400k buyout

total= 37.1 mil
total payroll = 85.33 mil
Percentage of payroll that was essentially flushed down toilet = 43.5%
This is not including Davis as he has more unlucky than anything although the case could be made for his inclusion. No buyouts for next year were included either. With an organizational ranking of 26th by Keith Law (may not agree with him but the system isnt good or likely even average) lets just say it’s safe to be more than a little worried about the future.

by diegop89 on May 19, 2010 1:04 AM CDT reply actions  

In Melvin's defense he has been pretty darn good with waiver wire pickups.

Not saying it forgives everything else he has done but lets face it, Casey M was a genius stroke, Coffey likewise appears to be a genius stroke thus far by Melvin and perhaps Marco Estrada though its WAYYYYYYYY to early to say anything about him.

Further the problem with the Brewers is they cannot afford FA’s that are better than run of the mill. I liked the Wolf signing a lot and still do. He was the #2 best (in terms of reliability, talent and recent performance) SP on the market and Milwaukee got him, how often can you say that? Hawkins… yea stupid. Hoffman perhaps dumb but after last year no one thought he would go from one of his best years ever to totally terrible…

Melvin’s FA track record is not great but you need to give him some real credit with guys like Coffey and Casey and perhaps eventually Marco.

I might hate Suppan but the fact is Milwaukee needs to use FA signing to fill the holes of what it can do and we really can’t afford players who are better than the likes of Wolf when it comes to FA’s. This past off season the only blatant error I think was signing Hawkins…. that is given all the information you could judge players on.

by Flanyboy on May 19, 2010 1:29 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

If Melvin is good at plucking guys off waivers but bad at signing expensive FAs...

Why not eschew expensive FAs and look for more guys on waivers (or heck, minor league contract level guys, same thing)? I guess Todd Coffey or Marco Estrada are not guys you want to headline in the FSN preseason special for new additions, even if they feature prominently in the postseason wrapup.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 19, 2010 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Saying “at least Melvin has been good at waiver wire pickups” is like talking about Cory Patterson and saying “at least he’s fast”. It doesn’t mean the overall job he is doing is a good one.

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on May 19, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should clarify

Flanboy’s first sentance was: Not saying it forgives everything else

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on May 19, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Strawman

There seems to be a lot of that lately.

Is there an example of somebody on this blog saying you obviously don’t know baseball if you’re…" ?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on May 19, 2010 7:49 AM CDT reply actions  

a cubs fan

Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.

by theBrouhaha on May 19, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now that

I agree with

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on May 19, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like the thought process and the arguments

but i don’t agree with a few of the points, notably (1) and (4).

pags discussed (4) above. i appreciate the potential argument that laporta may have made prince expendable earlier and we could invest that money elsewhere, but maybe not. most 1st rounders actually don’t work out and laporta hasn’t set the world on fire (yet).

on item (1), i think he does get some blame there. injuries notwithstanding (let’s assume they’re not due to use), he does decide which pitcher to put in and for how long. in some instances, he uses too many pitchers in a game, which limits his options for the next game, etc…

by Capt Science on May 19, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

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