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What to do with Kottaras and Lucroy long-term?


With Angel Salome’s major league potential falling increasingly into question, Lucroy has pretty much unanimously been declared the Brewers’ catcher of the future.  And, while I think Lucroy is awesome, do we potentially have a better catcher already on the team?  George Kottaras has been on a rampage this season, and I think it may be time to consider him as a potential starting catcher down the road:

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1) 2010: Kottaras has been simply ridiculous to the extent he’s played this season.  Not only is Kottaras currently leading Brewers players with 50+ PA in OBP (by 42 points), OPS (by 47 points), and wOBA, but coming into today’s games he was twelfth in the major leagues in wOBA (players with 50+ PA).  He’s been doing all this with an extremely low .225 BABIP.  He also was raking in spring training.  Admittedly, it’s an extremely limited sample of only 70 PA, but considering that’s 40% of Kottaras’ career major league experience, it’s more than just a blip.

 

2) 2009: Kottaras’ previous experience in the majors came almost exclusively last season with the Red Sox (he also played a couple games in 2008).  His .247/.308/.387 line wasn’t that inspiring, but after a rough start to the season he was much better in the final months.  Furthermore, while he only hit 1 HR in 107 PA, part of that was due to an abnormally low HR/FB% of 2.9%.  Correcting that closer to the league average of around 10%, his HR total in 2009 would have been roughly in line with what he’s shown in 2010 (3 HR in 70 PA).  Kottaras probably will never be a huge power threat, though he did hit 22 HR in 395 PA back in 2008 at AAA Pawtucket.  Even factoring in his less-than-stellar 2009, Kottaras has raised his career major league wOBA to .349, which is more than solid for a starting catcher.

3) Kottaras used to be a top prospect.  He’s the former “catcher of the future” for the Padres, ranked as Baseball America’s #3 and #2 prospect in the organization in 2005 and 2006, respectively.  He was also considered the Red Sox catcher of the future by Baseball America and others following Kottaras’ trade to Boston before the 2007 season.

4) Kottaras’ minor league numbers have mostly supported the hype he had earlier in his career.  Comparing his major league equivalent (mle) offensive numbers to Lucroy’s prior to 2010:

Age 22 totals: 0.614 OPS for Kottaras versus 0.604 OPS for Lucroy

Age 23 totals: 0.625 OPS for Kottaras versus 0.634 OPS for Lucroy

A+ totals: 0.605 OPS for Kottaras versus 0.624 OPS for Lucroy

AA totals: 0.643/0.660 OPS for Kottaras versus 0.634 OPS for Lucroy

Kottaras also put up some not terrible numbers in four partial seasons at AAA, with mle OPS’s of 0.543/0.595/0.642 in ‘06/’07/’08.  Those aren't great seasons, though obviously looking at mle versus actual OPS makes it look worse, but they're decent enough that Kottaras' 2010 surge shouldn't be automatically written off.

5) How Kottaras compares to Lucroy defensively is less clear.  There aren’t very good metrics for catcher defense in the first place, much less for minor league catchers, and Kottaras is further complicated by the fact that he’s had a history of catching knuckleballers both in the majors and minors.  Scouting reports seem to be mixed on Kottaras’ defense (though not necessarily negative), so Lucroy might have the edge there.

6) The biggest knock against Kottaras at this point is his age, as he’s already 27 while Lucroy only turns 24 next month.  Nonetheless, Kottaras will still be under team control until at least 2014 (I don’t think he qualifies for super two status, does he?) and since he hasn’t had huge major league workloads, there’s no reason to think he’ll deteriorate by age 31.

In sum, Lucroy is still awesome, but Kottaras' awesome performance so far this season has to at least open up the conversation about his long-term potential; starter or backup.  He used to be regarded as an organizational catcher of the future, and if he keeps up hitting fairly well the Brewers may find themselves with two (three?) viable young starting catchers in their system.  It's a small sample, and obviously Kottaras won't be nearly this good for very long, but we should at least consider that his 2010 to date isn't just a fluke.  And it's not necessarily the pipe-dream of finding McGehee Part II, because Kottaras was always solid in the minors.

Even with only 70 PA, I think we can at least give credit to Melvin at this point for making another outstanding pickup. 

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Lucroy is the guy

Although under team control for quite some time, and doing a nice job this year so far, Kotteras is a back up. A lot like Mike Rivera’s year in 08, he probably cant sustain good numbers over the course of a full season as a starter.

The nice thing for the team is that one Zaun is back, they can send Lucroy back to AAA for some more seasoning to finish out the season, and for the next 3 years use the two of them as a pretty nice catching tandem. And once Cameron Garfield is ready, Kotteras can be dealt or released.

Its still very early to be all ramped up about Lucroys performance so far, dont forget, this is a guy who was hitting .213 at AAA before he got called up. There are questions about his bat and defense right now and until he improves a few things in the minor leagues, you just dont want to build up too big of an expectation for him.

by backtocali on May 26, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

yup

Send Lucroy back to AAA once Zaun is back, use Lucroy / Kottaras for the next three or four years after that.

by warwick5s on May 26, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Considering Kottaras and Lucroy had similar minor league numbers and the former is absolutely raking in the majors right now, I just don’t see why he’s automatically the back up. I might prefer Lucroy as well, simply because of his age, but Kottaras is doing enough to at least earn the possibility that he’s finally living up to the hype he had earlier in his career (not that he ever really fell off a cliff to begin with)

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by SRB on May 26, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kottaras

2 things..

1.) I don’t think he is a very good defensive catcher.

2.) He is currently getting walked at a 27% rate — That is a Barry Bonds BB rate. I think that this is where the inflation in his numbers is coming from.

All that said — he has provided decent results so far.

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by Fatter than Joey on May 26, 2010 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

The 27% rate is high, though one of Kottaras’ strengths has always supposed to have been his ability to draw walks. The fact that he’s walking at an unsustainably high rate is also somewhat canceled by the fact that he’s getting hits at an unsustainably low rate.

As for his defense, I don’t know, he could be terrible. Different sources disagree and it will probably take a sustained time in the majors (not catching Tim Wakefield) to see how he does.

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by SRB on May 26, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kottaras also played a little 1B

As far as fielding goes, Luc looked good last night handling pitches in the dirt, knowing his position, and making the right plays, and in the minors he threw out 43% of all attempted steals. Kottaras has thrown out 18% in the majors and 23% in the minors, so it sounds like Luc has a much better arm.

by nullacct on May 26, 2010 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm agreeing on many levels here

Although I wouldn’t be surprised to see Zaun traded/released/whatever and LuCroy brought up to catch maybe twice a week behind Geo. Maybe not, though.

What I’m really irritated about is that Kottaras is batting 7th in the lineup today. 7th? Really?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 26, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Turns out...

Injury may force Zaun to retire. So…I guess we’re gonna see that Kottaras/LuCroy thing starting this year.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on May 26, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where else would you have wanted Kottaras batting?

Hart has been on fire lately, so I don’t have a problem having him hit 6th… leaving Kottaras hitting either 7th or 8th.

by sjlee on May 26, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

2nd

I know some people are in love with Gomez’s speed, but it seems like his OBP is going to keep dropping, and he sure swings at a lot of first pitches: 14.3% versus 6.4% for Kottaras, which seems unlikely to change in Gomez’s favor. Also, Kottaras’s P/PA is more than a pitch higher than Gomez’s, and that’s probably not going to change either. Even if Kottaras’s BB% drops off a bit (it certainly will), it seems like a safe bet that he will get on base more often than Gomez, especially against RHP (perhaps Gomez could bat 2nd against LHP). Finally, moving Gomez to the bottom of the lineup would provide an interesting speed tandem with Escobar at the bottom of the lineup while still putting our best OBP combo in front of Braun/Prince.

by baumann on May 28, 2010 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

sorry,

meant to reply to sjiee question above.

by baumann on May 28, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

also,

my first pitch swings #s are messed up, those are only the ones that they have made contact on, so we can mostly ignore that. sorry.

by baumann on May 28, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

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