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Is Jeff Suppan Sleepwalking Through The Season? Or: Why I Don't Like the Taste of This Soup

(Note: This post is probably a little outdated, as the Brewers' pratfall against the Padres has given us new things to complain about.  But I wanted to vet this theory first, to make sure I wasn't completely off my rocker; hence, the delay.  If you're no longer fired up about Jeff Suppan, by all means: you don't have to read this. You won't hurt my feelings.)

Since word got out that Jeff Suppan and his $12.5 million anchor were being banished to the Milwaukee Brewers’ bullpen, there’s been a lot of discussion of Suppan’s comments to reporters – that he felt he’d made a lot of improvement, that he’d made some good pitches in his two starts, that the decision on the demotion was made by people in "big offices" – and deservedly so.  At the least, those comments reveal a man who’s seriously out of touch with his abilities and his performance; at worst, they show a man who’s completely delusional.  As KL pointed out, there are about a hundred different ways to say: "I’ve been awful" without actually saying it.  Oddly, despite being given about a dozen opportunities to fess up to his shortcomings, Suppan chose none of them.

In this post, though, I want to focus on a different set of comments coming from a different set of people -- or, to be more accurate, I want to focus on a type of comment I've never heard anyone make about Jeff Suppan.  For example: when asked about Soup’s performance and the decision to exile him to the ‘pen, Ken Macha said:

"It's tough because the type of person and the pro that Jeff is.  But he's had two starts, neither one of them quality, and we've pretty much had to go into the bullpen early in both games. That kind of stuff hampers you."

Of course, we’ve heard time and again what a fantastic person Jeff Suppan is, how he’s great with fans and donates generously to a variety of charities and supports the troops and once teamed with Lassie to rescue Timmy from an open well.  Similarly, we've heard what a good "pro" Jeff Suppan is -- that he doesn't air dirty clubhouse laundry in the papers, that he doesn't throw teammates under the bus, that he won't openly gripe about decisions he doesn't agree with.  But while I’ve heard the exploits of Jeff Suppan the Man championed ad nauseum, I’ve never heard a coach, or manager, or teammate say something like this:

"Yeah, Soup’s struggling right now, but he’s not taking this lying down.  He’s the first one in the clubhouse every morning, and he’s the last one to leave, and he’s putting in hours trying to get this right.  He’s looking at video.  He’s studying hitters.  He’s leaving no stone unturned.  He’s busting his ass."

Now, there are two potential explanations for why we’ve never heard something resembling that hypothetical quote: (1) Soup is doing those kinds of things, but Macha / Melvin / Peterson don’t feel the need to mention them; or (2) Soup isn’t doing those kinds of things. 

No. 2 seems like the more likely option to me for a couple of reasons. 

  • For one, this coaching staff hasn't been shy about mentioning the extra work the players are putting in: last year, for example, Dale Sveum discussed all the work Corey Hart had done in the offseason after his nosedive in September '08. In like fashion, Prince Fielder, Rickie Weeks, and Alcides Escobar have been praised for working overtime on their fielding with Willie Randolph.  And, this spring, Carlos Gomez got some pub for working with Sveum, Fielder, and Weeks to improve his on-base percentage. 
  • For two, and probably more importantly, I think No. 2 is the more likely option if only because I’d expect someone – ANYONE – to bring up the fact that Soup is busting his hump to try to deflect some of the vociferous criticism that the man receives on a daily basis.  The guy is getting trashed day after day after day; if he was putting in overtime trying to find the cure for his ails, wouldn’t somebody say so?

In the end, I think that’s what bothers me the most about Suppan: it’s not that he’s terrible, it’s that it appears he’s not going above and beyond to try to find a way to not be terrible.  You would think, at some point, no matter what you’re being paid, if you’re getting shelled as often as Suppan is, your pride would kick in and you’d realize: I have to do more.  I have to be better. I have to try anything and everything to put an end to this. Doing what I've always done isn't cutting it. 

I'll give you a "for instance": after posting a 13-15 record and 4.24 ERA in 2005, Greg Maddux, he of the four consecutive Cy Young awards, realized that the same ol', same ol' wasn't going to work anymore.  So, before spring training in 2006, the soon-to-be-40-year-old Maddux embarked on a brand new training regimen with a Las Vegas physical therapist.  Maddux started out great in 2006, was eventually traded to the Dodgers, and put up a 3.30 ERA in twelve starts for L.A.  He wasn't a world-beater, but he was a more-than-competent starter for a contender.

Apparently, $40 million over four years can't buy that kind of self-awareness.  Instead, we get quotes like this, on the day Soup reported to spring training:

"My approach has always been the same regardless of if I was 20 years old or 35. It’s the same thing."

"The same thing" isn’t hacking it, and it hasn’t been for awhile.  Hopefully, Soup realizes that and does something about it before his option is declined in the fall.

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EXACTLY!

I couldn’t agree more Rubie Q! If it was Manny that was struggling and he wasn’t working 24 hours a day to improve it Macha would have him in AAA in a blink. But the slack that Soup gets because “he is a great pro” (or he has a gaudy contract perhaps?) is just ridiculous. Great Post!

by Wi_archer on May 4, 2010 7:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I despise Suppan

what an epic failure. How can you not realize the “same” thing isn’t working anymore? The way I see it is he knows this is his last year in the bigs and he’s just gonna milk it for all it’s worth. Or he is just a complete retard. I am so sick of the Brewers coddling this guy. Cut your losses and promote someone who wants to give it their best day in and day out. I don’t know how he can show up to the ball park everyday and act like everything is hunky dory. IF management had any balls they would get rid of this loser. FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!!!

by Juuust a bit outside! on May 4, 2010 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

"My approach has always been the same regardless of if I was 20 years old or 35. It’s the same thing."

another interpretation of that quote though is
he had to proove himself – prove that he belonged on an MLB roster in spring training when he was 20, so tries to do that every year.

Based on his other quotes though, I’m pretty sure that’s not what he meant.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 4, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

His Spring Training regimen has always been the same

If I recall correctly, he works on certain pitches in every Spring Training start without focusing on the overall results of that start. By the end of Spring Training he’s working on putting them all together. That’s my interpretation of his statement.

by ecocd on May 4, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice piece

I agree the guy is awful, but I wouldnt jump to conlucsions because the press isnt providing you with suitable quotes.

This was a bad signing from day 1 and it could be that the organization has a gag order in place regarding Suppan. They do tend to have a concern about PR in the FO.

The only problem I have, and its a minor one, to place Greg Maddux into the story. One of the greatest RHP in the history of the game, who even in the twilgiht of his career, is a better pitcher than Suppan was on the best day of his life.

by backtocali on May 4, 2010 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

A gag order to prevent them from talking about how hard Soup is working?

I can see a gag order about his contract and how it’s tied to his spot on the roster, maybe, but why wouldn’t they want to talk about something positive that the guy was doing?

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on May 4, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a problem to use a good player as an example when talking about lesser players?

I think that would make scouting reports and talking about the draft hard.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 4, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Comps

Its an unfair comparison for both Maddux and Suppan. An accurate comp is pretty key in scouting (though not a primary function).

There are comps for Suppan, and probably even in the particular situation he finds himself in, but its probably a lot harder to remember or find big media stories about a .500 pitcher who is working hard to regain his .500 form.

by backtocali on May 4, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's unfair at all.

Greg Maddux, a pitcher who got a lot of mileage out of low-velocity pitches, worked his butt off through the end of his career and milked some productive innings out of his late 30’s.

Suppan, meanwhile, doesn’t appear to be making the same adjustments or putting in the same effort and might be done at 35.

Ability aside, I see the point as being that one guy found a way to extend his career, while another did not.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 4, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

The fact one was .600 and one is .500 doesn’t matter.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on May 4, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually,

The fact that one was .600 and recognized a need to keep working hard and adapt while one was .500 and did not is probably an even greater indictment.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 4, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maddux vs. Suppan quotes

You can tell just by listening to what they say. I don’t get the impression that Suppan feels responsible at all for being better than average, much less excelling at his job – Maddux felt like nothing less than excellence was acceptable.

Suppan:

"I don’t feel like I’m laboring, … I’m just concentrating on that one pitch and letting things happen. I’m trying to use the defense. I haven’t really thought about (start to start). I’m just focusing on the now."

"Really I’m just getting ready to pitch, whenever that is."
"That’s how it goes. You can’t control it."
"Some of these games, it’s hard to come up with an explanation. They were able to capitalize on my mistakes and put together some good at-bats, and I didn’t make pitches."
"As a starter you have to be able to adapt to what is put in front of you. Obviously, you don’t like to wait that long but sometimes you have to."

Greg Maddux:

"If they want me I’d love to come back. I’m not going to play because I can, I’m going to play because I deserve it."

"As far as I’m concerned, I’ve had my chances and I still have a chance, too, … I mean you got to play the game the right way. I just want to get ready and pitch in five days and do what I can to throw a good game."
"I don’t care if we’re out of it or not, if I’ve got a chance to pitch, I want to."
"It’s an honor for me to come here and play every day here, and I want to thank my teammates because starting pitchers, we all need a lot of help and I have been lucky enough to play on a lot of good teams."
"I was under the impression I had signed a three-year contract. I want to be back. I expect to be back. I will be back."
"My goal has always been 20 (wins) and to try to get to the postseason, … Fifteen was a number that was thrown out there because I think that was the fewest amount I ever won. I never worried about it. It was kind of cool with all the 15-win stuff, but my goal has always been 20."

by nullacct on May 4, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

It might be a little dated, but it's perhaps more relevany now than ever

He’s been bumped from the starting rotation and dumped into the bullpen with the clear role of being the Last Option. Maybe we haven’t just heard any profile about him, because there are more interesting things to write about, but there doesn’t seem to be any indication that Macha is impressed enough to give him more chances to prove he belongs back in the rotation.

by ecocd on May 4, 2010 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

You'll have to hang on to that one

in case he ever sees play in a moderate or high-leverage situation.

by ecocd on May 4, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's been bumped now

But before that, he was a rotation candidate or a member of the rotation for nearly two full months, from the open of spring training to roughly a week ago.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on May 4, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

before he was a brewer....

soup owned us, going 12-2 or something like that against the crew, even though he was a .500/.600 pitcher elsewhere. i think the blame here has to fall somewhat on melvin and the management

"I would say my biggest flaw, my Achilles heel is my tireless work ethic"-Kenny Powers

by Wisco12 on May 4, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Suppan has good enough pitches to be a quality reliever,

if he changes his approach. For 0.01 % of his salary, I would be happy to spend a few weeks with him and help him work that out.

Wiltrado pointed out that he changed to exclusively pitching from the stretch. That’s not really an adjustment that I give him much credit for, though. That’s relief pitching 101. The next step is to concentrate on 2 or maybe 3 pitches and work on a consistent approach to the plate. Right now, his mechanics are too loose.

As Rubie Q points out, though… does he have an incentive to re-make himself? As a man and an athlete, I would think that was a moot question; but perhaps he has decided to retire in place.

by RobertArthur on May 4, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

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