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Game Thread #53: Brewers (21-31) at Marlins (27-26)

Milwaukee Brewers at Miami Marlins, Jun 2, 2010 6:10 PM CDT


Hey look, a Yovani-day!


Current Series

Marlins lead the series 2-0

Mon 05/31 WP: Jorge Sosa (1 - 0)
LP: Chris Narveson (4 - 3)
5 - 13 loss
Tue 06/01 WP: Ricky Nolasco (5 - 4)
SV: Leo Nunez
LP: Trevor Hoffman (1 - 4)
4 - 6 loss

Milwaukee Brewers
@ Florida Marlins

Wednesday, Jun 2, 2010, 6:10 PM CDT
Sun Life Stadium

Yovani Gallardo vs Chris Volstad

Partly cloudy,rain. Winds blowing from right to left field at 10-15 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 80.

Complete Coverage >

Thu 06/03 6:10 PM CDT

Follow the jump for tonight's pitching matchup, lineup and more!

Star-divide

Chris Volstad (3-6, 4.31) is pretty much a league average pitcher. He's got a 98 ERA+, he doesn't strike out many (5.7 per nine innings), and he walks 3.3 batters per nine innings. He made four quality starts in six attempts in May, and allowed three runs on seven hits and three walks in 6.1 innings against the Phillies on Friday.


Volstad is throwing a slider for the first time this season to go with his 91.5 mph fastball, curve and change. The fastball (+0.42 runs per 100) and change (+0.94/100) are above average, while the curve and slider are below. George Kottaras is the only Brewer who's seen him before: He went 1-for-2 with an RBI against Volstad last June.

He'll face off against Yovani Gallardo (5-2, 2.78), coming off one of the best starts of his career. Gallardo pitched his first career shutout last time out, limiting the Mets to eight hits and a walk while striking out seven. He also threw 121 pitches, becoming just the third major leaguer to throw 120 pitches in three games this season. All three instances came in May.

After getting off to an 0-2 start, Gallardo has won each of his last five decisions, posting a 1.80 ERA over that stretch. Ronny Paulino is the only Marlin with 10 PAs against Gallardo: He's 2-for-9 with a double.

Ken Macha is trying out Ryan Braun in the #2 hole again tonight (via Tyler Barnes):

Rickie Weeks 2B
Ryan Braun LF
Prince Fielder 1B
Casey McGehee 3B
Corey Hart RF
Carlos Gomez CF
George Kottaras C
Yovani Gallardo P
Alcides Escobar SS

And in the bullpen:

Trevor Hoffman pitched 1 inning (26 pitches) yesterday.
Kameron Loe pitched 1 inning (13 pitches) yesterday.
Jeff Suppan pitched 1 innings (11 pitches) Monday.
Carlos Villanueva pitched .1 innings (18 pitches) Monday.
Zach Braddock pitched 1 inning (37 pitches) Sunday.
Todd Coffey pitched 2.1 innings (29 pitches) Saturday.
John Axford pitched 1 inning (14 pitches) Saturday.

Enjoy the game!

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The Crew starting five in the order

today are all legitimate cleanup hitters. And we can’t get a decent starting pitcher for one of them? Maybe Oswalt for Fiedler? Oh, never mind. Enjoy the game….!

"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee

by heybatterbatter on Jun 2, 2010 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe they could, but is it worth it at this point?

Is a Fielder/Oswalt swap going to get the team into the playoffs this your or the next?

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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I, like 'stache,' have

no idea. If any of this kind of talk was a sure thing, these threads would be damn short….

I’d love to trade Oswalt for Fielder on a one month trial basis and see what happens. Talk about FAN interest!

"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee

by heybatterbatter on Jun 2, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

The baseball version of an Exchange student.

That’d be one heck of a hit on the food budget for whatever family houses Prince

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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any updated start time?

Rain has killed the satellite signal.

by SgtClueLs on Jun 2, 2010 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't know where else to ask this, but:
The Cardinals have come to an agreement on a $1.5MM deal with 18-year-old Dominican righthander Carlos Matias, reports Ben Badler of Baseball America. Matias was one of the best pitchers available on the international market this year.

Matias had previously reached an agreement with the Red Sox for $160K, but he was suspended for a year after failing an MLB investigation. The suspension may turn out to be a blessing in disguise, because the righty added velocity to his fastball during the layoff and now routinely sits at 97-99 mph, which has drastically improved his stock.

How come the Brewers are never involved in international guys like this? Seems like, with the lack of arms in the system, grabbing a few international guys for ~2mil a piece would be a cost effective way to rebuild things?

by warwick5s on Jun 2, 2010 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

They do from time to time, but they don't generally go after the big guns.

They’re too risky, I guess. Escobar’s an international signing. Gomez is too, although he obviously wasn’t raised in our system. We signed somebody this year. Was it an infielder?

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand they’re risky, but isn’t that the exact kind of risk they need to take to get ahead of the guys who can spend megabux for top flight starting pitching? Seems like spending $1mil on an 18 year old Dominican kid is less risky than signing mid-level older pitchers at $10mil a year.

by warwick5s on Jun 2, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gagne, Hoffman, Suppan

I could hire an entire Dominican team for that money – but we probably couldn’t play in AZ.

by nullacct on Jun 2, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

At 18 years this guy is older than the typical Dominican signing...

and not just by the one suspended year, if I’m not mistaken. Dropping $1 million on 16-year-olds is the exact opposite of a “less risky” move.

by Zeyes on Jun 2, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brewers just signed one last year.

Jose Pena says hello.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

days of old

They signed Juan Nieves in 1983 and Ramser Correa in 1987.

by statsllc on Jun 2, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I had mlb network.

But at least the Reds Cards game is on ESPN tonight

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 6:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Griffey's retiring

H/T mlbtraderumors.com and ESPN

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

link

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shame

Would have easily become the greatest player ever without injuries.

by brewbaybucks on Jun 2, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

And doubly unfortunate because he would have eclipsed Bonds HR mark as well if he’d have stayed healthy. But I guess that’s part of what Aaron so special: he never lost the kind of time and power Griffey did.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aaron was consistent without any BIG years

To think, the two leading HR hitters of all time will probably end up being A-Rod and Barry Bonds. God, help us all.

by brewbaybucks on Jun 2, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here’s hoping for a dramatic shocking decline in Arod’s ability

by drezdn on Jun 2, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cheers.

But I’m not holding my breath. He juiced, but he’s also a freak.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

link

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

four decade club

One of three players to enter the four decade club this year.

by statsllc on Jun 2, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's sad

Almost all the players I watched as a kid are retired. When Chipper and Moyer are done, I’ll know I’m getting too old.

One man's garbage is another man-person's good ungarbage.

by Captain Howdy on Jun 2, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time to put you out to pasture old feller

Yer stud days are done.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

So are these losers putting a roof on their new stadium when they get one?

What kind of idiot builds an open air stadium in Florida?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 6:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Bud Selig?

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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Also, they play football in the rain, baseball wasn’t a concern.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy
Snaggy, shaggy, ratty, matty
Oily, greasy, fleecy, shining
Gleaming, steaming, flaxen, waxen
Knotted, polka-dotted; Twisted, beaded, braided
Powdered, flowered, and confettied
Bangled, tangled, spangled and spaghettied!

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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s a cool song. My parents had the vinyl and I’d play it on my little fisher price record player

by drezdn on Jun 2, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no

already a bad call!

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on Jun 2, 2010 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm assuming there have been bad calls that have gone the Brewers way this series...

… but I sure as hell can’t remember any.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Another garbage call

Or so it seems, no TV here, just radio. Did McGehee catch the ball?

by PlusorMinusThree on Jun 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually, super slow mo leaves me wondering now.

Too hard to tell.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

It bounced, but it bounced inside his glove.

by drezdn on Jun 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

barely

it hit in the thin webbing in the front of his glove so it looked like it bounced

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on Jun 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure...

Macha always goes out there and says “Now I know you made the right call, but I just needed the exercise.”

by drezdn on Jun 2, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

on the second look

it bounced in front of his glove

by Bigdogg2002 on Jun 2, 2010 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Is it just me, or does it seem like Fielder’s defense has been worse this year.

by drezdn on Jun 2, 2010 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

that's like asking

if he gained 5 pounds

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on Jun 2, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rock's making up words

Rickie made a “galliant” effort

not gallant
not valiant

“galliant”

by Nicole Haase on Jun 2, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hey guys, thanks for the defensive help!

Love,

Yo.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Looks like Yo

will have to hit 2 HRs today.

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on Jun 2, 2010 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Is there any rhyme or reason

To when Macha decides to put Braun at 2 and bat this lineup?…I realize it’s only been twice now, but just wondering if anyone has a legitimate reason why.

by miklovin on Jun 2, 2010 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

from what Rock said

it has to do with the opposing starting pitcher and whether or not we feel its a big deal to get to the pitcher early and score in the first inning

by Nicole Haase on Jun 2, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wish we had this lineup every day.

A guy hitting in the .320s followed by Prince Fielder (scary even if hes not hitting well) followed by the NL leader in RBI followed by the NL leader in HR…and it gives them ALL more at-bats

by brewbaybucks on Jun 2, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually like it as well

It just seems like Macha is making up reasons to change the order now…Soon we’ll have a different order for every pitcher in our division.

by miklovin on Jun 2, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

go back to the front page

and click on “lineup construction”

enjoy

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 2, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

His question isn't "why would you ever do it", it's "why do it on Monday, not on Tuesday, then again on Wednesday".

But then again, “Logic is in the eye of the Logician”, and in this case, we’ll never understand Macha’s logic.

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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

especially since it was used originally against a knuckler

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 2, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check out this Fanshot from Sunday

The numbers get broken down here: Sunday’s Line-up

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 2, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Edmonds in the dugout

Discussing Cargo’s catch “I wouldn’t have even tried for that one.”

by drezdn on Jun 2, 2010 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

actually, I think he pulled a hammy just watching it

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 2, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He just looked on, stone-faced.

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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tigers pitcher

has a perfect game through 8

time for another team meeting

by WI 2 VA on Jun 2, 2010 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Lost it

Single with two out in the ninth

by PlusorMinusThree on Jun 2, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

OOPS

because I’m a moron. I was watching it on Gameday and was wrong about who was batting. Apologies

by PlusorMinusThree on Jun 2, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

only 75 pitches through 8

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 2, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

And a bad call in the ninth takes it away.

Jim Joyce blew a call at first.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unbelievable

It was pretty clear. And you think he’d get the benefit of the doubt there.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Jun 2, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

FSN better ask Bruce Froemming what he thinks

Please please please. Bring up Milt Pappas for bonus points.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO

Say it isn’t so, Yo……don’t get hurt

by PlusorMinusThree on Jun 2, 2010 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

UH

what just happened

by warwick5s on Jun 2, 2010 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Rick Peterson

sans coat

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

He'd have to pitch right handed to sell the gag.

Couldn’t be worse, right?

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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Suppan pitches, nobody wants to look.

So, I don’t think we’d have any problems.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Opposing players want to look.

Then swing. Then look some more. Then make public statements about how unsportsmanlike it is to watch your home runs.

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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Esky back to high hose

no rhyme or reason to when he rocks the high hose, apparently

by Nicole Haase on Jun 2, 2010 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

He's like a frat boy

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

too far?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Deep fly ball on the first pitch of the 9th.

Jackson makes an over the shoulder catch.

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by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

that's a catch

you will not see a brewer make

time for another team meeting

by WI 2 VA on Jun 2, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

and that's "the moment" when it actually happens...

there’s always one in perfectos/no-nos

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 2, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 down

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hitter hit to the gap between 1st and Second. First baseman tosses it to pitcher who just beats the runner, but the runner is called safe.

by drezdn on Jun 2, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ground ball to first.

Galarraga covers 1st, gets the out. Jim Joyce calls the runner safe. Clearly a bad call.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boooooooooooooo!

by drezdn on Jun 2, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

what

a way to lose the perfect game

time for another team meeting

by WI 2 VA on Jun 2, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Out by a full

step

time for another team meeting

by WI 2 VA on Jun 2, 2010 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Must have thought he was pitching for the Brewers

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 2, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh. MY. GOD!

that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen. Detroit announcers calling it a travesty.

by Nicole Haase on Jun 2, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Is it just me?

Or are umps shooting themselves in the foot an awful lot this year?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

it's

not just you. Awful year.

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on Jun 2, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

brewers are staying above the fray

if their games mattered worth shit, then if the umps blew a call, they’d have a reason to go off in a tizzy. this way, our championship season won’t be tainted.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 2, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

So umpires

Doing their best to argue for instant replay/being replaced by robots.

by drezdn on Jun 2, 2010 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

This.

This is why I love MLB Network. I’m so happy I got to watch that. MLB Network does it right

by Nicole Haase on Jun 2, 2010 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

And they won't allow other networks to do it right.

I love the MLB network too, but for all the comparisons to Baseball Tonight, it’s not even on the same playing field. ESPN doesn’t have the ability to do live look-ins. Otherwise they would. They do something similar with their NBA nightly programming.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant in comparison

to NHL and NFL network. The live look-in is crucial.

by Nicole Haase on Jun 2, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gallaraga is a better man than I am...

… did you see that smile as he stood on first base when the ump called the guy safe?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

That was his

“Are you f-ing kidding me dude?!?!!!!!!!!!!111??” smirk

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 2, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why didn't the Deroit manager appeal it

or can they only do that on home runs?

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 2, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

They performed admirably.

For me to poop on!

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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Y'know, I'll give the ump a free pass there.

They’re going to make mistakes. They’re human. If he had blown the call and then ejected the pitcher for smirking, that’d be the kind of umpire confrontationalism I’ve been railing against.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

so tie to runner

except in second-to-last-out situations?

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 2, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

It wasn’t a tie

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

"if it's close"

I don’t like that at all. It’s still baseball (and a relatively close game, no less). The “benefit of the doubt” shouldn’t come into play.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ummmmm

Please see: plays, double

Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jun 2, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

just sayin'
The "benefit of the doubt" shouldn’t come into play.

Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jun 2, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

But my point was that the rules of the game shouldn’t be amended in the late innings of a potential milestone performance. It’d be like moving third base ten feet closer when a guy needs a triple for the cycle.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I wasn't sure they were being amended

He was obviously out by a goodly distance.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree

I was just arguing with the “if it’s close, you have to give it to him” logic.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

On the other hand

What if he’s pissed that two perfect games have been thrown this year within 3 weeks of one another, and to preserve the ‘sanctity of the game’, he calls the runner safe on some bullshit pretense?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watch him make the call again

He literally looks like he hesitates.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. He was obviously guessing. Or at least second guessing himself.

And maybe I should have said, “If you’re not sure in that situation, you have to call him out.”

I will agree though, we can’t group it in with the other umpire problems this year. It’s not like he was getting in the pitcher’s face. I think he realized after the fact that he should have called it the other way. He looked like he was kicking himself when Cabrera was arguing with him.

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by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus

It’s like saying that Jason Donald should have pulled an Estrada and jogged to first. It’s not a perfect game unless the other team and the umpires are treating it like a real game.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 2, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

time for another team meeting

by WI 2 VA on Jun 2, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't konw about that

you can’t just “give” it to him

time for another team meeting

by WI 2 VA on Jun 2, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jun 2, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

That was a full four feet of space between the bag and the runner’s foot.

Everything I hear says that on ‘bang-bang plays’, the umps listen for the foot and the ball in the glove. There’s NO WAY I can imagine he thought it was close. Maybe he closed his eyes and guessed. They call that “Bill Hall Umpiring.”

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't blame the ump

Blame the fact that baseball is too “traditionalist” to employ the use of technology that could easily make these calls correctly.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Jun 2, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about both?

It’s still his job to get it right, and he didn’t. And the umps aren’t exactly advocating for change.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for the umpire in that situation

It wasn’t him being a jerk like Rapuano, he just made a bad call at a really unfortunate moment

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 2, 2010 7:54 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Doesn't matter anymore.

That was pure gasoline on the flames – this is now the year of the ump

by nullacct on Jun 2, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess

That’s what they’re saying on MLB Network.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still want someone to get Bruce Froemming on the phone

He has experience in that situation.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a crock of shit.

The ball moved in his glove, but only after he had his foot on the bag.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that is the case,

a bobble could constitute an amendment to the hit. Consolation: No-hitter. Still that is a bad call.

by Bush League All Star on Jun 2, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

i didn’t care for the Leyland and who ever the other guy was going after the ump

time for another team meeting

by WI 2 VA on Jun 2, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I loved it.

That’s Leyland’s job. He’s got players going after those umps, and with good reason, so Leyland’s acting like a gigantic ass to make sure the umps are focused on him and none of his guys end up bumping an umpire and getting suspended.

Plus, he blew a huge call, and this is what happens when you blow a huge call.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

you make

a good point about making sure the players don’t do anything stupid

time for another team meeting

by WI 2 VA on Jun 2, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leyland wasn't the only one

His players were all up in his face.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

No one is perfect. But that wasn’t even remotely close. To err on a close play is human, to make that call is BP style failure.

by SgtClueLs on Jun 2, 2010 7:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Brewers 'Pen?

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on Jun 2, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm about "this" close

to advocating the use of instant replay in all areas of major league baseball. It’s been said that human error is an element of the game. But this is getting ridiculous. The umpires are NOT doing their job.

One man's garbage is another man-person's good ungarbage.

by Captain Howdy on Jun 2, 2010 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Indeed.

It sucks for this specific ump, but taking this whole wretched season as a whole? The umps have done their damnedest to become part of the game story, and now they’ve got it.

by Zeyes on Jun 2, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been for Robot Umpires for a long time

and this seals it.

keep balls and strikes human if you wish, but give each manager a challenge per game at anything involving whether bases were touched.

by warwick5s on Jun 2, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey look...

… a manager who actually gives a shit about something.

I love Leland.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Score E3U

First base umpire error.

by SgtClueLs on Jun 2, 2010 7:56 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Sorry Armando

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

So much for discussing the Brewers no matter how bad it gets.

Let’s talk Detroit and umpiring!

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

brewers

are the playing tonight?

time for another team meeting

by WI 2 VA on Jun 2, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He better have an alternate route out of Detroit

I don’t think it’s safe to travel with the rest of the crew

by nullacct on Jun 2, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Touche

But this is ridiculous! It’s nice to have something else to bitch about other than how bad the Brewers are playing.

One man's garbage is another man-person's good ungarbage.

by Captain Howdy on Jun 2, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a theory...

… but if you look at how Galarraga caught that ball, he kind of snow coned it in his glove. I’ve always heard that 1st base umps look at the feet and listen for the pop of the ball hitting the glove. The problem with that practice is that when you’ve got a pitcher running away from the ball and catching it in the top of the netting on his glove, there is no popping sound.

That’s my guess as to why he missed it. He didn’t hear the sound before runner hit the base, so he called him safe.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

probably true

the umps stand too close to get it right

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 2, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess is the ump saw him put his weight on his right foot after he made the catch.

He probably thought that he didn’t have his foot on the bag, and that’s why he had to shift his weight after catching the ball.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guessing it was pretty loud there too

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Jun 2, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

McGehee

He’s a runner-batter-inner

by nullacct on Jun 2, 2010 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

omg, nm

Braun doesn’t score. Turd play

by nullacct on Jun 2, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just farting around

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This?


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by Yar Nivek on Jun 2, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'Mon Gomez

nice at bat, keep fighting them off and draw the walk

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

ugh

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

anyone have faith in Go-Go here?

or is it the team as a whole that I assume will fail in these spots?

by Nicole Haase on Jun 2, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I have very little faith in Carlos Gomez when he's standing at the plate.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Can't blame them...

… I remember how hacked off I was when they screwed Sabathia on his no no, and that was a much closer call and it didn’t come in the 9th.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was awful.

It wasn’t even an ump. It was a bitter scorer.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was bad

and it could have been really bad if there was a bigger crowd and more beer consumed on a weekend night.

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on Jun 2, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont even care about the Tigers really

and I’m legitimately pissed as a baseball fan

by brewbaybucks on Jun 2, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any Chance

MLB replays the end of that game like they did the pine tar game?

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on Jun 2, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

None.

The outcome of the game didn’t change.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

any chance

Prince and Braun go back to little league and learn how to run the ^%$ bases?

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on Jun 2, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prince

watched his “double” off the wall thinking it was gone and ended up with a single. Next play Braun on 3rd and doesn’t score on a potential double play ground play that Casey beat out at 1st.

Get well soon Ueck

by molitorfan on Jun 2, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose

Still, it seems like it would benefit all involved. Gallaraga gets a chance at a perfect game, Joyce is off the hook, and the Indians get a chance to win.

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on Jun 2, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't bet against it

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's actually scheduled to work the plate tomorrow.

Yikes.

One man's garbage is another man-person's good ungarbage.

by Captain Howdy on Jun 2, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trivia

I’ve got five:

Joe Robbie Stadium
Pro Player Stadium
Dolphins Stadium
Land Shark Stadium
Sun Life Stadium

Anyone know the other two?

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 8:10 PM CDT reply actions  

How about:

It’s-Like-A-Sauna-In-Here Park and Where-Is-Everyone-Yards?

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Argh.

and should be at.

I suck.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 2, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they work separately, too

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cheated

Derivations of the ones you listed.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dolphin Stadium

Pro Player Park

One man's garbage is another man-person's good ungarbage.

by Captain Howdy on Jun 2, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Griffey retired

I think a version of that adage about never flying with anyone more famous than you applies.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't be silly

He played against the Rangers, not for them.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad, as an internet baseball fan

That I can go back to remembering how great Griffey was instead of seeing how terrible he was this year.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Geo steals a base and gets thrown out at third.

Baserunning error #215.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jun 2, 2010 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Neither is Brad Fischer.

But I don’t think either of those were their fault. The runners were just taking off.

When Braun took off for home and then turned around, I’m sure Fischer was like what in the MF’er are you doing? Probably the same reaction when Kottaras started running.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

They've given up mentally.

Why even bother trying?

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

my softball game got rained out again tonight

and the baserunning skills of my team seem to have permeated the brewers

by warwick5s on Jun 2, 2010 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

mine too, I was pissed.

They told us it was still on at 5:20.

By 5:40, when it was absolutely pouring, they cancelled it.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is Kottaras' caught stealing percentage? Defensively I mean.

It can’t be good. It seems like half the time he doesn’t even make a throw.

One man's garbage is another man-person's good ungarbage.

by Captain Howdy on Jun 2, 2010 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

1 of 20 at throwing out runners

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch

One man's garbage is another man-person's good ungarbage.

by Captain Howdy on Jun 2, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

0 for his last 19, no less.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're going to get a ticket from the Small Sample Size Police

if you keep that up

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Francoeur stole a base off him

So he’s 0 for 1.

Failure is just success rounded down.

by TheJay on Jun 2, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't being serious

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Broken sarcasm meter.

I’ll put in some new batteries.

by Zorakathura on Jun 2, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I've been striking out today

Had like 5 people misinterpret shit. Maybe its a sign.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The worse they play

The harder it is to detect a joke.

by Zorakathura on Jun 2, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, true

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 2, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not.

I want to trade them for Kendall

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Jun 2, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions