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As we approach the All-Star break, there's been a lot of discussion as to what's going to happen to players between now and when they become free agents.  The main player mentioned is Prince Fielder.

Fielder has this, his final year of a 2-year $18MM contract, and his final free agent year in 2011 where the Brewers control him.  However, with his agent being Scott Boras, the possibility of Milwaukee being able to re-sign him after 2011 seems rather remote.  While some still hold out hope that Doug Melvin and the Milwaukee brass toss out a 5-year deal in the neighborhood of $120MM, the benefits of such a proposal are far out-weighed by the negatives.

With that said, let's take a look at the potential destinations for Fielder based on when the deal gets done and what those teams have in place.  The potential markets, for my purposes, are teams that have traditionally over-spent for talent as well as have high enough payrolls or enough room to absorb the probably Fielder contract.

 

Lots more after the jump!

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Here's the list in no particular order (other than what came to mind first):

New York Yankees (2010 Payroll:  $213,359,389)

Pre-Trade Deadline:  The Yankees are probably the most notorious team in MLB to pay for the top talent, many would say over-pay.  Do the Yankees "need" Fielder?  It could be argued that they indeed do need someone like Fielder.  Right now, the DH duties in NY are being divided by Jorge Posada and Nick Swisher as Nick Johnson is sidelined until August following surgery on his wrist for an enflamed tendon.  Fielder would immediately step into Johnson's spot as the back-up first-baseman behind Mark Teixeira (signed through 2016) and also the everyday DH.

After this season (2011 Payroll Commitments:  $144,612,000):  I think the potential for Fielder to get traded to New York in the off-season is gone.  With Teixeira signed through '16 and Johnson being a cheaper option ($11MM option for 2011) if they choose to keep him, I don't see a spot for him.  Fielder will probably command somewhere in the neighborhood of $16MM in free-agency.  I don't see even the Yankees tying up $39MM at first base/DH.

In addition, Carlos Pena (T-Bay), Adam Dunn (Wash), Paul Konerko (CWS), A-Jols (StL) and Lance Berkman (Hou) are all potential free agents at the end of the season.  One would assume that Pujols will be re-signed by the Cardinals but there is a good possibility that the rest will be available on the free agent market following the 2010 season.  Pujols and Berkman do both have options for 2011, but it's more likely that Pujols will be signed and Berkman may either be dealt or have his optioned ($11MM club, $2MM buy-out) declined. 

Boston Red Sox (2010 Payroll:  $168,109,830)

Pre-Trade Deadline:  The Sawx's situation changed a bit today (Sunday, June 27) as their starting catcher Victor Martinez went down with a broken thumb in their series with San Francisco.  His return is probably going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 4-6 weeks (based on history) but his effectiveness swinging the bat and being able to catch (broken thumb on glove hand) could last much longer.  Their listed DH at this point is David Ortiz (FA after this season).  If you've watched any sports TV over the past couple of years, you know that his production has been less than stellar.  Fielder could not only step in as DH, but he could also spell Youkilis at first from time to time in place of V-Mart.

After this season (2011 Payroll Commitments:  $100,506,000):  Boston has a great deal of flexibility to either go to arbitration with Fielder or sign him in the off-season to a mega-deal.  Ortiz has an $11MM team option for 2011 which, if a better option is available, would most likely be declined.  It would be an increase in payroll, however with so much coming off the books in 2011, the Red Sox would be able to absorb it pretty well.

New York Mets (2010 Payroll:  $126,498,096)

Pre-Trade Deadline:  One word - Ike Davis.  The Mets' stud prospect Ike Davis has made it to the majors and is clearly the long-term option for the Mets at first base.  I don't see the Mets parting with their prized prospect just to pick-up more bulk (no pun intended) to their payroll.  Keep in mind, the Mets only have two contracts over $20MM (Johan Santana and Carlos Beltran). And other than Jason Bay's contract in 2011, no other contract comes close. They've gone young and cheapish.  Most of their contracts are in the $10-12 range for the next couple of years and with them in contention this year, their FO is probably considering their negotiating a success (or at least they should, to this point).

After this season (2011 Payroll Commitments:  $108,763,000):  With the majority of the money coming off the payroll being on the pitching staff, I don't see Fielder being someone they want or need to add to their roster. 

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (2011 Payroll:  $121,113,867)

Pre-Trade Deadline:  With Kendry Morales out for the season after breaking his leg on home plate, the Angeles need a first baseman.  Mike Napoli is filling in well to this point and doesn't appear to be in the long-term plans of the Angels' front office at catcher (Jeff Mathis), so Fielder's worth to the Angels isn't "that" great.  However, having someone to spell Napoli at first (or when he goes to catch) and also spell Matsui at DH could prove to be very valuable.

After this season (2011 Payroll Commitments:  $80,917,000):  Fans of a move to LA for Fielder might look at the $80MM payroll commitments for 2011 and say, "well, they can absorb Fielder and another small town!"  Eh, not so fast.  For 2011, the Angels have 9 players that are eligible for arbitration (Jered Weaver, Joe Saunders, Napoli, Erick Aybar, Howie Kendrick, Jeff Mathis, Kendry Morales, etc).  There aren't a whole lot of names on that list that are likely to get non-tendered or have their salaries only go up by only a little bit.  The benefit to Fielder is that Matsui is a free agent following the 2010 season.  The problem, is Matsui only signed for $6MM for 2010 and adding approximately $10MM to the payroll to add Fielder (assuming arbitration number is in the neighborhood of $16MM) is fairly unlikely.

Chicago White Sox (2010 Payroll:  $103,080,000)

Pre-Trade Deadline:  Frankly, I see very little chance to move Fielder to the Southside during the season.  There just doesn't seem to be a spot.  Paul Konerko is fairly well cemented as the DH and Mark Kotsay plays an okay version of first base.  Could they use an upgrade of power at first?  Absolutely.  However the White Sox front office hasn't been particularly amenable to adding payroll (Fielder would become the 4th highest paid player on the team this year and probably over take Jake Peavey as highest paid in 2011).  These aren't the Yankees or Cubs who just throw money around hap-hazardly.  Kenny Williams has been fairly judicious in his spending.

After this season (2011 Payroll Commitments:  $66,675,000):  Unlike Los Angeles, the White Sox have room to add payroll and have the likes of Konerko, A.J. Pierzynski and Kotsay as potential free agents following this season.  The starting holes that the Sox have to fill are DH/1B, C and a couple pitching spots.  If they're looking for a front line DH/1B, there are few better options than Fielder.  Even at a potential $16MM, given the potential free agents available (see above), Fielder is probably the best option for them, if he's still available.

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I have purposely left off teams like the Cubs because I don't see Doug Melvin being that masochistic as to want to trade with the Cubs and see Fielder on the opposite side 16 times a year.  That's not to say that it won't happen (see:  Lee, Carlos) however I think Fielder is a greater threat to the Brewers in the same division than Carlos Lee is/was. 

Obviously, there's also the potential that the Brewers don't deal him this year (if they're in a perceived pennant chase) and they go to arbitration with him.  If that's the case, much of my work here is moot.  I'm sure there are other teams out there that could use Fielder and could make a deal that works for both teams, but honestly, I'm not good at evaluating trades.

I will say this though.  I don't think the Brewers deal Fielder this season unless they are completely out of the pennant race by the trade deadline.  To me, it just doesn't make sense to do so.

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I’m tired now…

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 28, 2010 3:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I feel as though, maybe in the offseason or when Prince hits FA, Seattle is a distinct option.

They have a good sized payroll, there’s the Jack Z connection, and the one thing that is really missing for the Mariners is some offense other than Gutierrez and Ichiro.

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by NoahJ on Jun 28, 2010 3:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Is it wrong that it scares me to try and trade with Jack?

Not that I haven’t thought the same thing (primarily about Corey or Rickie), but I just worry that our scouting department and Melvin are going to to get schooled by Jack in any trade with Seattle.

Probably just irrational on my part…

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by MadtownTim on Jun 28, 2010 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would worry me a bit, too.

Also, I don’t know if they have any good pitching prospects that would be worthwhile in a Fielder trade.

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by NoahJ on Jun 28, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Melvin has repeatedly said he prefers to trade position players during the offseason

Since during the season there are only a couple teams looking for an upgrade at specific positions whereas in the offseason, due to free agency, there are more possible matches. I don’t know how true that is, but it’s what he says. Of course, he was willing to trade Carlos Lee in July, so shrug. Still, I wouldn’t expect Fielder to be traded before November.

I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!

by TheJay on Jun 28, 2010 7:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Tough situation

I don’t expect Melvin to trade Fielder this season because of his belief that Fielder’s value will be higher in the offseason, but this year there will be a lot of good firstbasemen that, though not as good as Fielder, will probably clutter the market and bring down his value (Cantu, Dunn, Konerko, Lee, Pena, to name a few)

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 28, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense for the Brewers to trade Fielder unless they are out?

Interesting strategy there Cotton. Even from someone who has admitted that our chances to keep him are slim to none. I’ll give you 3 reasons. 1) He is hitting .250. 2) He is going to make $18 million next year. 3) The projections for how far the team goes with him, and without him are not that different or that great. 4) The closest comparison for a “market” for Fielder would be the Teixeria trade from the Texas to the Braves, which happened at the trade deadline of 2007 when Tex had one year left of arbitration (that same situation if we would trade Fielder on July 31, 2010).

Tex was 27 at the time, had ~150 career HRs and a BA of ~.290. He came off a full season in which he hit .282 with 33 HRs and 110 RBI. At the trade deadline of 2007, he was hitting .297 (.397 OBP) with 13 HR and 49 RBI. Fielder? He is 26, has 175 career HRs and a BA of .281. He just came off of a full season in which he hit .299 (.412 OBP) with 46 HRs and 141 RBI. With a month left until the deadline, Fielder already has more HRs than Tex did at that point, the same OBP and a BA of about 30 bps lower. Every one one of these numbers points to the same fact, Fielder is AT WORST as good of a prospect as Tex was at the 2007 deadline, and I think it is very hard to argue that Fielder isn’t head and shoulders a better one. Furthermore, they have the same agent and Tex turned down an 8 year $140 deal from Texas. To think Fielder would even touch a 5 year deal is ridiculous. Scott Boras is going to walk into every office asking for 10 years and won’t settle for less than 8. Why would you? Would you want to represent a 32 year old 280 lb DH? Thanks, but no thanks.

In return for Tex, Texas got the #18, #61, #90 prospects, an unranked 1st round pick from 2005, and an unranked 19 year old Neftali Perez, who is a consensus top 5 now. As of today, Perez is their closer, the #61 prospect is their starting SS, the #90 is a starter/reliever ala Chris Narveson, the #18 prospect has been up and down since 2008, and the 1st rounder from 2005 has never been called up, but has a 1.42 ERA in AA so far this year.

This is exactly the same situation as with Tex in 2007. Do you think the Rangers would be in the position today had they not traded Teixeira? Not only do they have a fresh crop of young players coming up and ready to contribute, they saved boatloads of money by not overpaying for him and cutting bait. In 2007/2008 they gave out $60 million + in contracts to ink long term deals with Ian Kinsler and Vincente Padilla (ok, maybe that last one didn’t work out). Today they have the 2nd best record in the majors. Enough said.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions  

2007 isn't 2010.

I think you’d find many who’d argue that Tex>Prince, but even if he’s not, it’s highly unlikely Fielder would draw that much in exchange. The market has changed in the last 3 years and it’s a lot harder to talk teams out of their best prospects than it once was.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 28, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

And let's not even get started on fielding...

I’ll assume Cotton is your cute way of referring to me.

You’ve done nothing except spew-forth the entirety of the Teixeira deal and haven’t done anything to refute the comment that you called out. If by July 31 the Brewers don’t know if they’re in or out, they should deal Fielder (because they’ll be out). It’s like the old poker adage which states: if you can’t spot the sucker at the table in the first 2 minutes, it’s you.

So?

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by MadtownTim on Jun 28, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was obvious

Fielder’s value right now > Fielder’s value at the end of the season.

Waiting is only going to increase leverage for the OTHER teams, because everyone knows the Brewers will not keep him long term. I don’t think it can be debated that Fielder’s value is highest when he has the longest time remaining before free agency.

Holding on the Fielder because our chances of making the playoffs stay at 10% rather than decrease to 5% is stupid and irresponsible, considering how much his trade value drops from July 31 to the offseason.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's no abstract value that Fielder does or doesn't have.

If few teams end up interested in trading for him at the deadline because he doesn’t constitute enough of an upgrade over what everyone has (taking salary into account), the additional two months of contract time don’t add much in the way of trade value.

by Zeyes on Jun 28, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fielder’s value right now > Fielder’s value at the end of the season.

Prove that.

by Zorakathura on Jun 28, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

Really? I’m too tired today. On the surface, this has to be obvious. Lets stick with math.

1.6 seasons of Fielder > 1.0 seasons of Fielder.

I understand the theory of the whole “there are more teams out there willing to trade for Fielder in the offseason” argument, but it doesnt make sense for a big ticket item like Prince. What team is going to go from not interested this year to willing to give up something that will get Prince, lets say 2 top 50 prospects and a high upside A-ball guy (at minimum). Name me a situation and a team where that would happen.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just guessing, but a few possibilities

Cubs have Lee coming off the books and looking for a 1B w/o a long term commitment (obviously, not happening)

Blue Jays not looking to deal now, but will need a DH/1B next year as Overbay is off the books.

Nationals not looking to add this year, but will be in market for 1B after Dunn’s contract is up

Tampa might rather stick with Pena’s LHB this year, let him walk and bring Prince in for 1 year (with the option to trade him mid season).

A’s not moving pieces at deadline but could also look to bring Prince in to make a run at the AL West next year

Mariners – see above

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jun 28, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

So back to value...

These teams are going to pay more for 1 year of Fielder than a team right now that will get 1.6 years? I understand people WOULD trade for Fielder in the offseason, but they wouldn’t do it for a greater price than they would now. Each of these options is looking at Fielder as the long term solution when nobody in their right minds is trading for Fielder with a requirement to keep him long term. A trade for Fielder is going to happen to try and get a team over the hump for the next two years.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe what his argument is

is that those particular teams, have no need during the current season. So, you are correct, that list of teams would NOT pay more for 1.6 years of Fielder than 1.0 years of Fielder as 0 /> 1.

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by MadtownTim on Jun 28, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand that...

…and I am continuing to maintain, that in the aggregate, the greatest offer from the teams that DO want 1.6 seasons > the greatest offer from teams that only want 1 year.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not disagreeing on his value, you just asked for teams that wouldn’t want him this season but would want him next, and I thought of 6 off the top of my head. It doesn’t make sense for Washington to pay Prince this year when they are already paying Adam Dunn to play 1B. It would make sense for them to take him next year when they aren’t paying Dunn anymore.

Just because receiving teams can get more value in 1.5 years than they can in 1 year doesn’t mean that the best offer will always be in midseason.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jun 28, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

More teams means a better offer

since there will be more competing to trade for him.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Jun 28, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Value wise

obviously 1 year+2 months is worth more than one year.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Jun 28, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is based on what exactly?

Because the stock market is down? I understand the economics aren’t exactly the same but teams are still spending and trading prospects.

1) Matt LaPorta was a top 25 prospect when he was traded for 3 months of CC Sabathia.

2) The Indians got 3 top 60 players and a 2008 1st rounder for Cliff Lee.

3) The Blue Jays got a top 20, a top 25, and a 2007 1st rounder for Roy Halladay.

I understand these are pitchers and not 1st baseman, but those are the most recent comps. Besides, I am not using these to illustrate what Fielder should get in a trade, only to illustrate that top prospects are still trading hands.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Then why the diatribe about the 2007 Teixeira deal?

Top prospects can be had. Nobody’s arguing that. What’s the argument?

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by MadtownTim on Jun 28, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, someone is arguing that.

“The market has changed in the last 3 years and it’s a lot harder to talk teams out of their best prospects than it once was.”

I just didn’t reply correctly, I wasn’t restarting my point.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

With their dwindling bench and the guys coming off the books in 2011

I see the Sawx as major players for Fielder during the season. If by some chance the negotiations last until the off-season, I think the White Sox step in as players also. The thing that will be the deciding factor however, is his salary expectations.

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 28, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

...cont.

With a $103 million pay roll this year, they don’t have a ton of long term deals but are already committed to ~$90 million next year when taking arbitration into consideration. Of course, this is assuming that they let both Konerko and Pierszynki go at the end of the year when their contracts are up. Their number 2 prospect has played both 1b and C (albeit C more recently) in the minors, so I am assuming that one of those spots will be filled by him next year (sort of just thinking of Konerko as the 1b, even though Kotsay is. Assuming Kotsay is only viewed as a 1 year fill in).

I feel like they would try and extend an offer to Konerko to keep him on as DH and try and continue to randomly insert replacements into 1b (like Kotsay this year). I mean, Konerko has been there 11 years and still has some pop left (20 hrs this year), so they might throw him a bone with a 2 year offer. If they do re-sign him, they wouldn’t have enough money for Fielder.

All in all, I think their play was Peavy. I would guess that they wouldn’t try it again so soon.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with all of that

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by MadtownTim on Jun 28, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

sigh

joke fail
Q: What Market is There for Prince Fielder?
A: Boston Market

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 28, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah....hahahahahahahaha!

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by MadtownTim on Jun 28, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

funny but true

Prince going to Boston in the offseason makes a whole lot of sense. And Doug will get the price he wants because it’s not a terrible move for him to just hang on to Prince and get another year of him in his prime and a compensation pick when he leaves.

by nullacct on Jun 29, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

one miss.....

The natives are restless in the SF Bay area. I suspect that the Giants will stand pat this season having called up Buster Posey (getting starts at 1B) and moved Aubrey Huff to the OF. But if they fail to make the playoffs again because of their sputtering offense, I think they will be tempted to do something in the off season.

Their payroll is about 95M with about 75M commited to next year. First base will be a position of need as Huff will be a FA and Posey moving to catcher.

One thing missed in your analysis: what do these teams above have to offer even if they are interested? The Giants have Madison Bumgarner (~6 controllable years) which would be a good start.

by jimf on Jun 29, 2010 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I thought about adding "what's in Old Mother Hubbards cupboard"

but to be honest, that’s not a strong suit of mine.

Isn’t the tentative plan to move Panda to 1B? I thought I heard that mentioned somewhere. And I thought Bumgarner was their “OMG, I can’t believe we actually have this guy in our system!!!” guy?

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Jun 29, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if Sandoval might end up at 1B eventually, he could probably stay at 3B through 2012 at least. And Bumgarner’s stock has supposedly slightly fallen over the last couple seasons because of a loss in velocity/effectiveness or something (at least, that’s what the internet claims). Though, obviously he’s still an elite prospect. I’d love a Bumgarner/Fielder trade.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 29, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sandoval can play 1st or 3rd. Actually, he came up as a catcher but he hit so well they moved him to 1st/3rd (which is confusing considering the Giants are stubborn that Posey is the catcher of the future. Posey is the guy I would want in my lineup everyday.)

Bumgarner is a top prospect. He has done well in limited opportunities. His velocity was down in spring training, but supposedly he fixed a mechanical flaw and is back to throwing with his normal velocity. He would already have been in the majors the past year on most other teams.

by jimf on Jun 29, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blue Jays

I think they’d be pretty interested. After Lind’s ‘sophomore slump’, and the fact that Toronto seems to really crank out the pitchers from their system, it seems a natural fit. As of this writing, the Jays are 8 GB in the AL East and 6 GB in the AL Wild Card, so they’re probably more looking to sell rather than buy in-season, and add after the season to build for next year.

I understand the Jays have Brett Wallace, but he could be a further trade chip for the club if they could send someone like Ricky Romero (unlikely) or Brett Cecil(maybe) along with some 3 star prospects like Henderson Alvarez, Chad Jenkins, Zach Stewart, Carlos Perez, or Jake Marisnick. If they wanted to send Wallace+2 3 star prospects, I think that would be a fine return as well, but I highly doubt it would happen.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 29, 2010 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Why would the Blue Jays want Fielder?

They have just as much of a chance to sing Prince long-term as we do. Why would they trade their long term future for 1.5 years of Prince? The ceiling for them in the next 2 years is 4th place. Prince doesn’t change that.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 30, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Please go ahead and read my post above

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 30, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I got confused when you said a 4th place team would trade away their best prospects for a one year rental.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 30, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can ask for clarification without being an ass

I think they could sign Fielder to a contract, otherwise I wouldn’t have proposed it. I also believe that when Travis Snider is healthy, and Adam Lind starts hitting again, the Jays can have an extremely competitive offense to go along with some very good pitching.

What was it that you were adding to the conversation? Just snark and vitriol, right?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 30, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

My addition, was my initial point.

The Blue Jays are not a realistic trading partner. I said as much with “Why would the Blue Jays want Fielder?”, and was met with the ever snarky “read my post.” I read your post. I responded to it. I think it is wrong. Just because a team may need a first baseman doesn’t mean they are a good spot for Fielder. They would not consider throwing 2013-2016 down the toilet for a WC chance that rises to 5% from 3%.

by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 30, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, ok.

I think they would be very good, and would be able to sign Fielder. So…let’s just throw our elmo gloves down in the corner and pout at each other, mkay?

They would not consider throwing 2013-2016 down the toilet for a WC chance that rises to 5% from 3%.

So you’re against trading Brett Lawrie, right?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jun 30, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not Tampa?

Tampa just seems like the most natural one to me after the Jays and the Giants.

Seven of their top 10 prospects are pitchers, and their Major League rotation is already pretty much set for years to come anyway: Garza will go to arbitration after this year and will definitely get a nice raise there, but James Shields is set up with very reasonable club options through 2013, David Price has is signed through 2012 for next to nothing, Wade Davis is in his first year of service, Jeff Niemann in his second (i.e. they are far from arbitration). That’s an insanely cheap and good staff for the next several years.

Carlos Peña will be gone after this year Prince could even plug in at DH this year until Peña walks, then take over at 1B), and they can probably let Crawford walk after this year, too, with Desmond Jennings in the wings to shore up the OF. Longoria and Zobrist are signed for very cheap through 2015/2016 respectively, and then you have pre-arb guys like Sean Rodriguez, Jennings, and Reid Brignac on the cheap for years to come.

Yes, no one attends Rays games, and thus they don’t spend much money, but if they were going to invest in a premium player, this would be a good time to do it.

Start with Jeremy Hellickson and Matt Moore. I like that idea a lot.

by baumann on Jun 29, 2010 6:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Hellickson and Moore is probably too much. Hellickson plus some lower level prospects would be awesome.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 29, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

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Chicago 0 0 .000 0 Lost 0
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