Monday's Frosty Mug
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2010 8:28 AM CDT
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Chris Narveson avoided his traditional first inning jam yesterday and pitched a great game, allowing just four hits and a walk while pitching eight shutout innings in a 3-0 Brewer victory. After the game, Narveson told reporters he and Jonathan Lucroy simulated facing the first two batters in the bullpen in an effort to change something up to avoid the first inning troubles that have plagued him this season.
Carlos Gomez went 1-for-4 at the plate yesterday, struck out twice and collided with Alcides Escobar while chasing a popup (thankfully, both players were fine). Anthony Witrado has a look at Gomez's steady slide down the order and out of the lineup. Gomez's first month as a Brewer wasn't all bad, but he's gotten progressively worse each month since:
| Month | PA | OBP | SLG |
| April | 74 | .310 | .463 |
| May | 55 | .273 | .358 |
| June | 62 | .250 | .304 |
On the other end of the spectrum we have Rickie Weeks: Weeks tied a career high with four hits yesterday and is now hitting .315/.415/.581 in his last 31 games.
Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker has a recap of this weekend's games, if you missed them. Here are the other notes from the field:
- Rickie Weeks led off the game with a home run yesterday and now leads the major leagues with four such shots.
- Weeks was also hit by two pitches on Friday, and Plunk Everyone reports he's now just one HBP away from tying the Miller Park record.
- Joe Inglett hit a pinch hit triple last night, and TheJay noted that he's now just the sixth player ever to amass three pinch hit triples in a season.
- Chris Narveson, Rickie Weeks and Casey McGehee are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- CoolStandings has the Brewers' playoff chances at 4.4%, the highest they've been since May 20.
- Here are yesterday's MLB.com video highlights.
- 41,995 fans attended yesterday's game, a sellout for the second consecutive day.
If the Brewers can take one of three from the Astros this week they'll finish June with a winning record, their first winning month since May of 2009 (unless you count October 2009, when they went 3-1). The recent winning trend has inspired a fair amount of renewed optimism, and Noah used his Weekend Mug to let us know why he's still hopeful.
This weekend's most interesting read might have come from Jon Paul Morosi of Fox Sports, who sat down with Mark Attanasio and asked him about the trading deadline, next year's payroll (he expects it to hold steady), Prince Fielder, Trevor Hoffman and more.
Meanwhile, Randy Wolf and Doug Davis are among the leaders on a team you don't want to make: Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times has them as the first two starters on his Alvin Davis All Stars. The Brewers Bar wonders if it's too early to regret signing Wolf.
Davis headlines a busy weekend of injury reports:
- Davis will make a third rehab start, this time pitching for Wisconsin on Wednesday (FanShot). Davis posted a 1.12 ERA in two starts for Nashville, so I'm not sure what he stands to gain by pitching again at a much lower level.
- Jody Gerut was able to take batting practice on Friday. His next step is likely a rehab assignment, but no timetable for that has been mentioned.
- LaTroy Hawkins reports progress in his throwing program and is ready to throw off a mound again. He'll accompany the team to St. Louis, then could be sent on a rehab assignment.
For once, the trade rumor front has the Brewers as buyers: Ken Rosenthal reports the Blue Jays are interested in Brett Lawrie, and suggests the Brewers could pull the trigger on a deal if the Jays are willing to offer pitchers Brett Cecil or Shawn Marcum. Marcum is 28 years old and is the ace of the Jays' staff, posting a 3.14 ERA in 16 starts this season. He's currently in his first arbitration season, so he has two more years under team control. Cecil is 23 and has a 4.39 ERA in his first full season: He's under organizational control for five more years. Either would go a long way towards stabilizing the Brewer rotation.
Kameron Loe pitched two scoreless innings over the weekend, extending his scoreless streak to 4.1 innings and lowering his ERA to 0.59. Tom Haudricourt has a look at his disastrous 2009 season in Japan and his devastating fastball.
Zach Braddock retired the only batter he faced on Saturday via strikeout, and has now K'd 19 hitters in 11.1 major league innings. Baseball America (subscriber only) has a look at the events surrounding his callup.
Ryan Braun was in attendance at the opening of his new restaurant in Lake Geneva on Thursday, and told Jordan Schelling he's in Lake Geneva on every off day. Braun went 0-for-4 yesterday, 2-for-11 over the weekend and is hitting just .277/.317/.404 in June, but the updated ZiPS projections still have him fifth among major leaguers with 76 extra base hits expected for the rest of the season.
In the minors: The affiliates went 3-2 last night, and you can read all about it in today's Minor League Notes. Helena and Arizona both won again yesterday, improving their records to a combined 12-1.
Around baseball:
Astros: Designated pitcher Josh Banks for assignment.
Cardinals: Are expected to sign reliever Renyel Pinto to a minor league deal.
Cubs: Designated third baseman Chad Tracy for assignment and suspended Carlos Zambrano indefinitely.
Dodgers: Designated pitcher Charlie Haeger for assignment.
Mariners: Placed 1B/DH Mike Sweeney (back spasms) and pitcher Shawn Kelley (elbow inflammation) on the DL and acquired Russell Branyan from the Indians for two minor leaguers.
Marlins: Designated pitcher James Houser for assignment.
Red Sox: Placed second baseman Dustin Pedroia on the DL with a broken left foot and acquired IF/OF Eric Patterson from the A's for a minor league pitcher.
The Zambrano suspension above came after an ugly incident in the Cubs dugout on Friday with Derrek Lee. The Cubs haven't announced how long Zambrano will be out, but say they're sending him back to the bullpen when he returns.
Two unrelated notes on pitch counts today: First, Don't Bring In The Lefty has an extended look (and charts) on the practice and how it's changed over time. Second, the Diamondbacks are going to give Edwin Jackson a few extra days of rest after allowing him to throw 149 pitches while completing a no-hitter Friday night.
I'm not sure why this fascinates me, so I'll pass it along and maybe it'll fascinate you too: The Mets and Marlins open a series in Puerto Rico tonight, playing regular season games at Hiram Bithorn Stadium for the first time since 2004.
On this day in 1998 the Brewers lost to the White Sox 10-8 despite a five hit day for Jeff Cirillo. He had four singles and a double, but scored just one run.
A boatload of happy birthdays from this weekend:
- 2006-07 Brewer Chris Spurling turns 33 today.
- 2006 Brewer Corey Koskie turns 37 today.
- 1993 Brewer Kevin Reimer turns 46 today.
- Third base coach Brad Fischer turns 54 today.
- 2000 Brewer coach Chris Speier turns 60 today.
- 1990-91 Brewer coach Don Baylor turns 61 today.
- 1970 Brewer Al Downing turns 69 today.
- Jim Edmonds turned 40 yesterday.
- 2007 Brewer Johnny Estrada turned 34 yesterday.
- 2008 Nashville Sound Chris Woodward turned 34 yesterday.
- Arizona Brewer Brooks Hall turned 20 on Saturday.
- 2008-09 Brewer Jason Kendall turned 36 on Saturday.
- 1998-99 Brewer Mike Myers turned 41 on Saturday.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to find a new Iron Man.
Drink up.
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Oops
Published the Mug on accident before I was done proofreading. Post edited to correct a couple of typos and add a link on LaTroy Hawkins.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I prefer the early publish times personally:)
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 28, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
RE: Zambrano's suspension
is he still on the 25 man? Or is there a “suspended” list? If there is, how come it’s not totally abused?
Shruggity.
I think there is a 30 day "suspended list"
The Union is pretty quick to jump in and file grievances, so I think that is why its not abused too often. I could be wrong on this.
Get a ife broseph
I don't know if there's an exception to the 25-man limit
but the Cubs do have to file paperwork with the league regarding the suspension. I’m pretty sure this does a couple of things, let the league know what went on from as many viewpoints as possible to cover their proverbial buttocks and also to cover their butts with the players union.
If I had to take a guess, I would say that with suspensions that are upheld by the league that there would be an exception to the 25-man roster. By having to file paperwork with the league, I would guess this also holds down the abuse.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Just a guess.
If there is a suspended list, teams probably can’t abuse it because a player can’t get paid.
He's still on the 25-man, yes.
The Cubs said they’d play with 24 players until this thing gets resolved.
SRS BSNS
FYI, there are a number of different lists
Suspended, Restricted, Ineligible, Disqualified, etc. (link briefly explaining them)
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
by TheJay on Jun 28, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
MLBPA looking at changing the arbitration process
so teams can’t manipulate it… interesting, and probably not the worst idea in the world.
Shruggity.
Super Twos?
Seems a stupid place to begin looking at arb reform when you have teams getting picks for letting LOOGYS walk.
I would imagine the union doesn't much care about teams getting draft picks when lefty relievers reject arbitration
Players making less money due to roster manipulation is another story.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
the reason they should care
it’s not about the draft picks, it’s that excessive compensation to the team losing the player makes signing teams increasingly reluctant to sign older players.
Perhaps
But those same teams getting picks are offering arbitration, so the player does have at least one job offer.
Regardless, I imagine there are more guys undergoing service time manipulation than there are older relievers rejecting arbitration and winding up without a job. Maybe I’m wrong.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
Except the Brewers
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Lawrie for Marcum would be a great deal
Marcum has 2 years of arbitration left, I would think the Brewers would be able to tie him up in something like a 4 year deal at a reasonable price. It is a gamble with the injury last year, but I like the risk/reward. He is the number 2 (at an afforardle price) that we are looking for.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions
I don't support any trade that involves Lawrie
unless we’re getting an ace back.
Yes, I know that’s a bit unreasonable, but he’s the only impact bat we have in the system. He’s 20, excelling at AA, and has a huge ceiling. He’s pretty much untouchable, imo.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I disagree
Not that I don’t think Lawrie isn’t valuable, but I’m ready to trade anyone but Braun for good starting pitching.
Yeah, that's where I'm at too.
I recognize Lawrie is very valuable, but I think a pitcher of equal value is worth more to the Brewers, simply because of their lack of depth there.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
And this is what we're talking about
When backtocali comes up with the ‘total dollar values’ or somesuch for players – I don’t care if Lawrie is a future all-star, I would still trade him if I thought I was one pitcher away from making the playoffs. Because I would make the playoffs.
We're more than one pitcher away from making the playoffs.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Right
But if they acquire one, they’re one closer.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
One closer
but still too far away.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I think people are talking about a little bit of both, this year and the future
My thinking is that we have a few potential impact arms (Odorizzi, Heckathorn, Peralta) and one potential impact bat. Just one. I’m not to eager to give it away for an injury risk.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
None of those pitchers are going to make an impact
in the next 3 years, I feel. If they’re up here, it’s gonna be because they were rushed.
Maybe I’m wrong, I’ll admit to not knowing much about them, but it seems foolish to think pitchers in low-A are going to have an impact in the near future.
Shruggity.
I wasn't really thinking about the near future.
Sorry, I should have specified.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
$22 million approximately
That’s Marcum’s suplus value for the next two years, if he continues to perform at his current level. The Blue Jays may want a throw in to make the trade more worthwhile on their end.
But I agree with Heather in that its a short term reward at best. Lets say they hold onto Prince until FA, and make this deal for Marcum….probably makes them an 87 win true talent team. Good enough for a playoff spot for one of the 2 years of Marcum. (Or at least puts them in the picture in pre season.) You go right back to being an iffy team right after that hovers around .500.
Right now this team is more than one all star level player away from being a playoff team, and after Lawrie there is no one left in the farm system to make the big impact deal with anymore. So youre left with a short vision team that just misses and when those players leave for FA you have a pretty bad team going forward until the farm system can produce again (Id say 5 years worth of KC Royals type of results) if you continue to make moves like this that mortgage the future.
5 years of KC Royals?
That is completely unfounded. We have Braun and Gallardo (26 and 25 years old) signed through 2015. How many other teams have a long term core like that? Besides, what time frame are you talking about? Over half of our starting lineup is safe for 3-4 years and our best players haven’t peaked. If you are talking about after that, well thats already 2014/2015. To predict that far out is ridiculous, especially that strong of a prediction.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe KC Royals is a bit of an exaggeration
But 70 win teams isnt if they get rid of Lawrie for 2 years of Marcum after he and Fielder would be gone with no prospects on the horizon.
Heather is right, and not only is Lawrie the only impact bat, but the only imopact player. Now Odirizzi has a shot to be an impact pitcher and he is shaping up that way this year, and if Covey gets signed that is another one.
But if you look at this team right now and see its shortcomings, more than just one player is needed to help make them a contender. Why give up 6 years of an impact player to only get you closer and not there completely? And dont forget, that with Fielder’s departure, if the right deal isnt made, youve got to make up 4 wins or so a year.
I dont think that Melvin or Attanasio know what they are doing. If Attanasio thinks he can maintain payroll amounts next year with his attendance declining he is in for a rude awakening in his checking account.
I know that the source of all of this is a trade rumors site, but if Melvin were to bite on it, I would be very disappointed add to it if he held onto Fielder until the offseason…ugh. If I were DM I would be calling Tampa Bay and seeing what I could get for Fielder right now, not hanging back in the weeds the way he did with Hardy.
"If Attanasio thinks he can maintain payroll amounts next year with his attendance declining he is in for a rude awakening in his checking account."
I think he has a better idea of his financial status than you do.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
by TheJay on Jun 28, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
So did the executives at CountryWide, Bear Stearns and Citi
Without full disclosure we cant really know. But if you spend more than you make, its not good business.
Mark Attanasio = lawnmower
Oh wait, I thought we were making connections that didn’t make sense.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Oh, i'm sorry, I was unaware that Attanasio ran any of those corporations.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
All companies that did things poorly on the business side
and paid for it in the end.
He’s a pretty smart business man, so when it comes to maintaining the same level of payroll with declining attendance, he’s either a liar, or delusional (see also, the executives of Citi, Countrywide, Bear Stearns)
Or
As a multi-millionaire with other profitable business interests he takes a short term decrease of personal profit from the team to maintain payroll. I think he’ll be okay.
by Zorakathura on Jun 28, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what?
You can rattle off a list of failed businesses until you pass out, and I could rattle off a list of those that didn’t until you move back to California, and none of it will have one damn thing to do with Attanasio or the Brewers.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 28, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
WTF?
What about the “undisclosed debt” created by stinky derivative gambling? If you’re talking stock price, it’s got nothing to do with the stability of the company, sadly. Pump and dump….
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Citi got $45 billion, $20 billion of which has been paid back
Its not fair to say they “got” $300 billion. the FDIC covers deposits up to 250k, but people don’t consider that being a bank “getting” money. Both of them are guarantees.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
BTC doesn't let the facts get in the way of his opinions.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 28, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Banks own this country, politically
63% of our GDP is in the assets of the six largest banks. 15 yrs ago it was 17%. (Making stuff is so 20th century, you know.)
But these “assets” pale in comparison to the untold debt these banks hold (over a $100 trillion, conservatively) thanks to their gambling with your money. The $800 billion we gave Citi and the other banksters is enough to take the stink off the pile of debt that remains. And Congress has and will do nothing about fixing this!
So, yes, Citi is doing fine, thanks to America’s taxpayers and the people we elect to set the rules, Dim or Repug.
FUCK ’em.
Back to baseball….
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The third option, of course, is that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
And it wouldn’t be the first time either. But I know you don’t like your ignorance to stand in the way of your certainty.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 28, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Straw men
Attanasio proved his ability to run a business when he made enough money to buy a baseball team and sit around unshaven at home games.
by Zorakathura on Jun 28, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"But if you spend more than you make, its not good business."
Again, I think he has a better idea of his financial status than you do.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
by TheJay on Jun 28, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
For sure, but who gives a rip about Mark A, anyway?
Most of us would like NOT to know about “his finances.” Billionaires make deals and the little guy is the guaranteed loser. Mark A is useful to my baseball habit. I’m not compelled to play suck up. That’s all.
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
This doesn't make any sense.
Without one 20 year old AA player, the Brewers future is doomed? What is everyone’s expectations for Lawrie? He is the 80th ranked prospect right now, yet he is the sole source of potential success for our team? Braun and Gallardo alone will make this team relevant for the next 6 years (not even considering Gamel, Escobar, Lucroy and McGehee will all be there too). The next generation after that crop hasn’t even been drafted yet. The hole within that crop can be (at least partially) filled with a Prince Fielder trade.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Their future is not doomed
but its a lot less bright. And the fact that he is 20 and excelling in AA is pretty exciting. He was a top 80 prospect after a decent year in low-A. If he keeps up this performance for the rest of the year, he’s going to shoot way up on that list.
Btw, on what list is he the 80th ranked prospect? milb.com has him at 26.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
He's actually #59
And will be in the top 40 for next year I would guess.
I’m not saying this one player hinges on the entire Brewer future. But its bad baseball business to give him up and his potential 18-20 wins over the course of time that he is under team control, for a guy who maybe gives you 8 wins over 2 years and costs more in the short term.
And Braun and Gallardo are performing quite well this year and have for the past 2 years, how has that gone for them? A team like the Brewers need solid pieces to help build around Braun and Gallardo that are inexpensive with upside potential. Lawrie is one of those guys. Marcum probably doesnt have upside from where he is now, will get a bit more expensive over the next two years (if he doesnt hurt himself) and at the end of that 2nd year he is gone while Lawrie is off somewhere putting in solid years hitting 30 HR for someone else.
by backtocali on Jun 28, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Baseball America had him at #81 pre-season.
I just picked the first on I saw, that that ranking was on his baseballreference.com page.
How has that gone for them? When was the last time the Brewers had 3 straight season of 80+ wins?
“Marcum probably doesn’t have upside from where he is now.” Where he is now is a 2.82 ERA. Your projections are so sensationalist. Lawrie has 19 career minor league homeruns and you just said he was going to hit 30.
Besides, what makes you think we can’t sign Marcum to a longer term deal? I started my stance way back when and said that the Brewers should do the deal and try to ink Marcum for 4 years. Marcum hitting free agency is not like Fielder doing so.
It is bad baseball business to concede the next 3 years to mediocrity when you have 2 of the most team friendly contracts in the majors with Gallardo and Braun. I personally don’t want to wait around for lighting to strike three times and hope that a 20 year old will take us to the promised land.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
“his potential 18-20 wins over the course of time that he is under team control, for a guy who maybe gives you 8 wins over 2 years”
Assume that we’re in equal competitive terms in 2011 before adding Marcum or Lawrie to the roster. A few wins out of first.
a) a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Marcum is at the MLB level now. Lawrie may very well flame out. Probably not, but as we can see with LaPorta right now, a sure-thing prospect is never a sure thing.
b) I will gladly take a high impact WAR/season ready now over someone that will gradually add a couple of WAR over the course of more seasons. Why? Because what’s to say during the course of having the lesser WAR player you don’t have the opportunity to acquire a larger impact player? Having a lot of low WAR players ties up your roster. If you have two +2 WAR players that play first base, what good does it do you?
c) WAR really should be either i) done away with or ii) renormalized for the replacements available in system or on the free agency market and willing to sign with us. What the average club has for replacement player is not what WE have for a replacement player. Thus, a 4 WAR pitcher is probably a 5 WAR-to-us. A 4 WAR 1Bman is something like a -1WAR. Yes, for long term projections it sorta makes sense (ie, the next draft class won’t make it to the majors before Prince is off the team), but for the short term it’s wholly inappropriate.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 28, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I do agree that DM should be blowing up Tampa's line everyday.
Each and every way I look at it, I think that is the best spot for Fielder. Their world series window is right now, they would be buying him for the remainder of his arb years, they have tons of young pitching in the minors. That deal would put them head and shoulders above the Red Sox and right there with the Yankees, if not above. If Fielder plays out this year and the next as a Ray, I dont see how they dont get to a WS.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that if the trade represented good value, go for it
but Marcum can’t stay healthy. Also, among our top prospects not in the majors yet, we have some depth with pitchers. Odorizzi, Heckathorn, Scarpetta. If Arnett and Jeffress can turn it around (and Jeffress appears to be doing that in the pen), and add in Dylan Covey, and we have good depth of pitching, even if its a few years away. But paying for Marcum, even if the contract were team friendly, only makes sense if we still have Fielder, and that isn’t affordable for more than a couple years.
I think if we are trading Lawrie, it makes more sense to package him with someone else (Hart maybe) and get elite pitching in return.
It seems to me, and maybe I’m missing the boat, that after the trade for Sabathia, everyone is looking for the next prospect for pitching rental to get us over the hump in the short term, without seeing what has changed between then and now. When we made the Sabathia trade, we had multiple impact everyday players on the brink of the majors whereas now we don’t have many players on the verge of coming up. That makes the loss of someone like Lawrie, whose bat will fit anywhere, all the more devastating to the farm system. I don’t think its reasonable for the Brewers to gut the farm every few years for an expensive playoff push. It just isn’t sustainable.
by dtmeyers on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
We gave up 1 impact player for CC
That doesn’t completely overhaul the farm system between then and now. The above deals would be a minimum of 2 years in length. That is not neceassrily a “rental.” You can’t trade for a pitcher that is under team control for more than 4+ years unless you pay a lot of money or he is completely unproven, so Im not sure what else you expect.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I use the term rental because he is an expensive injury risk
And the reason I think it guts the farm is that, outside of Lawrie, our next impact players are 3+ years away. I don’t get the obsession with spending a lot of money for mediocrity. We can slot Lawrie anywhere in the field sometime next season or the year after and use Fielder to get pitching. Thats a much cheaper option and leaves us with a lot more room for long term success.
Who?
Michael Brantley? Or Matt LaPorta? Or both?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 28, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The Sabathia trade also highlights the fact that even “can’t miss” prospects like LaPorta (or Lawrie) can fall out of things really fast. I’m not saying he can’t still live up to his potential, but he has not been very promising since he went to Cleveland.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jun 28, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep
that was part of my point here: http://www.brewcrewball.com/2010/6/28/1540923/mondays-frosty-mug#40753622 so I agree with you:P
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 28, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Its a good point
See also: Pat Listach.
But, see also: Hanley Ramirez.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 28, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sold on keeping Fielder
At the price his agent is asking. I don’t think he’s worth it, and I expect him to be traded. A sack of potatoes can play first, and as we’ve proven so far this year the offense can generate plenty of runs without him.
I also think they should trade Fielder
but I think that makes a Lawrie for Marcum type deal much less appealing. We should be able to get impact pitching in return for Fielder, and if we are able to replace him with an impact bat next year (midseason callup) or the following year, thats a much better scenario than whatever we get for Fielder and another pitcher that won’t be cheap (if he stays healthy and productive this year his arb price will be fairly high).
by dtmeyers on Jun 28, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll agree with that.
We’d have to wait and see what we get for Prince in order to know if the Lawrie trade worthwhile.
Then again, if Lawrie happens first, that opens up the possibilities of what we can get for Prince. We can target hitting prospects. Potentially Lawrie-esque hitting prospects.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Q: So how does it feel to take over for Prince at first?
A: Great opportunity. Can’t stay on the farm forever, so it’s either promotion or let out to seed.
Q: What’s the first thing you did when you found out?
A: I talked to my wife Julienne and the tater tots, they were real excited for me.
Q: And you’re a legacy, like Prince?
A: Yeah, my uncle Red played for a while, and my dad Russet played for Idaho, until a collision ended his career. He really got mashed. But pound for pound I’m as good as anyone, hopefully I can add a little starch to the lineup.
Q: What would you say are your strengths?
A: Speed and awareness. I can really peel on the basepaths and I’ve got eyes in the back of my head.
Q: And you wanted to address the suggestion that you were “baked”?
A: The Miracle-Gro rumors are totally unfounded.
by nullacct on Jun 28, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
I don't want to see the result when he tries to put ten pounds in a five pound uniform
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
it's like reading an entire thread of reddit puns
in one post. congratulations, have a green.
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by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I fully acknowledge that I have no idea
But I’m going to assume this is the greatest comment in the history of the internet.
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra
Gamel would play there if Lawrie's gone.
or, if Lawrie is moved for pitchers, and Prince is traded for hitters, one of the hitters we get for Prince could potentially play 1st.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
randy wolf
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by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Gerut, followed by Cain or Gomez?
There’s plenty of money to sign a free agent. Not sure we’d get Werth, but maybe Ty Wiggington.
Who am I kidding. It’ll definitely be somebody who’s out of baseball this year.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Gerut is broken
And if we try to get Werth, may as well keep Hart. Also, Ty Wiggington sucks. I don’t know this for a fact, but he’s got a name that sounds like someone who’d be vastly overrated.
Shruggity.
Jermaine Dye!
Gotta give the veteran the benefit of the doubt.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
Lorenzo Cain?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 28, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Gamel Should play first
Unless they’re going to let Inglett play 2B.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 28, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
a boat's a boat, but a mystery box could be anything!
maybe even a boat!
by warwick5s on Jun 28, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Agreed, but our hitters already young
Braun, Gamel, Weeks, Hart are all under 28 and under. Lawire being 20 could be a good thing or a bad thing. A lot of things could go wrong before he is ready. Marcum is ready and plays the position we need the most, yet is young and cheap enough to stick around for 5 years.
It all depends on what happens with Fielder. If he gets traded and gets some young hitters, than you unequivocally go for the Lawrie for Marcum deal. If Fielder is traded for some young pitchers, than I would probably agree with you. If Fielder isn’t traded, than I’m going to just kill myself and not worry about it.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
"cheap enough to stick around for 5 years"
There’s no guarantee he sticks around.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
Cheap, club friendly deals are usually struck in the pre-arbitration years. See: Braun, Gallardo, Longoria.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Despite his poor 2009 in a larger sample size?
And the fact that his upside is probably a #3 or #4 SP?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 28, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with BrewHaHeather
6 years of Lawrie (potential elite player) is too much to give up for a 28 year old pitcher who has never thrown more than 160 MLB innings in a year and only under control for 2 more years.
Hart, Weeks and Fielder all have uncertain futures with the team and Lawrie is pretty much it for impact bats on the way.
Get a ife broseph
I fully agree, Heather
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 28, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
lawrie for marcum would be a great deal*
but i doubt it would be a piece for piece trade. and losing lawrie plus other pieces for a guy with less than 200 IP and a TJ surgery under his belt sounds like a losing combination.
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by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
But every pitcher has had (or will have) TJ surgery.
better to get one whose already on his second elbow than pay for someone to get a second elbow.
Right?
Shruggity.
your ideas intrigue me and i would like to subscribe to your newsletter
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by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
unless you're actuallly a filthy cyborg.
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by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I would be Ok with the deal.
I’m a huge Lawrie fan, but I’m not sure where he fits in, unless they move him to 1B. Gamel can do that.
I really like Marcum. The only problem with him is his injury history.
I don’t know much about Cecil, but how would people feel about Romero?
Basically, the difference between Lawrie and Gamel at 1B is much less than the difference between our current starting pitching and a staff with Cecil and Marcum.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Lawrie's bat will fit anywhere.
(except maybe SS).
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Marcum
Am I missing something with him?
Career FIP of 4.57 and missed the entire 2009 season with an arm injury. He is also only under team control (at Arb prices) for the next 2 years. Is that really something you want to trade the best bat in your system for?
Lawrie seems like the logical choice to play RF once Hart leaves or 2B if Weeks leaves. I’m fine trading anyone in our system for the right return, but don’t see it in Marcum.
Get a ife broseph
I don't know if they would part with Romero.
But if they would, I would take that deal in a heartbeat. Romero is sporting a 2.82 ERA in 15 starts, is 26, and doesnt start arbitration until 2012. I understand Lawrie is hitting ~.300 in AA and is only 20, but what are we expecting as a ceiling? If at 26, Lawrie was doing the hitters equivalent of a 2.82 ERA, I would be shocked. Romero is the real deal.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Romero might be a different story...
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 28, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
haven't read all the responses yet
my main problem with the deal is where would we put the pitcher (Marcum or Cecil)
Cecil we might be able to stash in AAA for a bit, as we don’t necesscarily need his impact this season, but I’m assuming that’s not a feasible gameplan for Marcum. So, you have to dump Davis, Narv dog, Hoff, or offer Parra or Bush or Hoff in the trade.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 28, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
If you're passing on starting pitching because you're worried about what happens to be bottom of the rotation
Then I don’t want you to be GM.
I’ll acknowledge that acquiring a pitcher would create a roster crunch, but that’d be a pretty good problem to have.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
expensive option?
What do is your definition of expensive?
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Not Bush. WOLF.
We got lefties galore!
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoops.
No one would take Bush or Davis now. Expensive losers are not marketable. On that score we are screwed unless a miracle comes our way..
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
WOLF or Davis
We keep Bush.
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Brett Cecil is making the minimum for 2010, 2011 and 2012, and arb eligible after that.
Marcum is arb eligible for the first time this year.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
...soooo not expensive then? Everybody agree?
Romero isnt into arbitration yet either.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
if Marcum stays healthy, and maintains his productivity this year he will earn a lot in arbitration
Brett Cecil would be great, but I doubt we could get him for Lawrie straight up. And there is no way Toronto would want Bush.
okay..maybe that's not my main problem
but it is a problem, made less of a problem by both of them being non-rentals.
just thought it was worth mentioning now that our bottom of the rotation has been doing fairly well lately.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 28, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t mind trading Lawrie, and I do like Marcum, but I’m not sure I’d make that trade without exploring other options. Why not package Lawrie with someone like Hart and get a younger, higher upside pitcher? Marcum is good but (assuming this year is a bust) it’s only 2 years of team control for our top prospect. Cecil makes more sense, but even then I would explore other options to maximize Lawrie’s value, assuming he would be traded at all.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
If someone was talking Prince Fielder for Marcum and Cecil
I’d listen, and try to get a PTBNL, too.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 28, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Who am I?
Carlos Gomez: .239/.280/.381 in 191 PA
Player X: .272/.323/.381 in 162 PA
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
Clearly
You’re a guy who gets on pace significantly more often than Gomez.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Or on base.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
It's also not Podsednik...
but his BA and OBP is higher than both of those players.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Just stop guessing
You really don’t want to know.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I cheated and looked it up.
And the answer made me sad.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
Somehow, the player in question strikes out more often than Gomez.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 28, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
/groan
I guessed right too. I am now also sad.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
My first guess was Lorenzo Cain's MLE
Not much different than Player X:
.271 / .336 / .347
Get a ife broseph
The muscle plays where the muscle wants
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Apparently...
he didn’t want to play for the Indians anymore.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Corey Patterson
Ew. That wont last
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed it is Patterson
I didn’t realize he was in the majors until I saw the Nyjer Morgan catch highlight a few nights ago.
Careers:
Gomez, .245/.290/.351
Patterson, .252/.291./403
Patterson was a better hitter through age 23, too, and it looks like he will be through age 24, too. But Gomez will figure it out any day I’m sure. Bah.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
Ok
But to be fair, Gomez probably isn’t that far from Robin Yount’s line at the same point in his career either.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Probably
But I’ll hold off believing Gomez will be anything offensively until he starts actually hitting.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
He can start by learning how to bunt.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on Jun 28, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Better yet would be to quit bunting.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
i give up
who?
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by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
You are the online poster known as TheJay
giving stats from your softball beer league?:P
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 28, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome find...
Fearless pigeon invades Ballgame.
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by Yar Nivek on Jun 28, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Narveson
I think he must realize that he might be the one to get bumped from the rotation when Davis comes back, so he stepped up his game yesterday.
I still think he’s the likely candidate to go to the bullpen, however. Wolf would be another option, but somehow I doubt that’ll happen.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Right now,
my guess is the team is looking for a reason to not bring Davis up anytime soon, which is dumb. Also, when he does come back, Bush should be out of the rotation. Make the “we can’t have 4 lefties in the rotation argument,” but Bush isn’t doing well at all this year.
Sure, he’s doing better than Wolf, but, like you said, Wolf’s not going anywhere.
Shruggity.
Starter xIP tRA pRAA Gallardo, Yovani 99.4 3.73 9.6 Parra, Manny 32.6 3.82 2.8 Narveson, Chris 69.4 4.06 4.1 Davis, Doug 37.5 5.16 -2.4 Bush, Dave 76.1 6.01 -12 Wolf, Randy 95.4 6.76 -23
Shruggity.
ideally, we’d move Wolf into the bullpen, but since we’re not going to do that, Bush is clearly the next best choice.
Shruggity.
But he's an "innings-eater"
And our “number two.” He’s doing a “heckuva job.” A lot of times he’s just been “one pitch away.” He’s got “veteran experience” … mumble mumble … “proven winner…”
Wolf
Yes, Bush sucks. The worst part about him is you never know when he’s going to suck. The suck just comes out of nowhere, sometimes appearing as a 5-spot in the middle of an otherwise decent start.
Well, Wolf sucks too.
but given that he’s staying in the rotation, Bush shouldn’t stay in just because of his handedness.
Shruggity.
it won't get any better in the bullpen
sadly. Bush seems like an interesting guy, but he’s v.v.v. inconsistent.
Wolf should go, to keep Trev company.
One more lefty out there makes more sense than one more righty. Glad BCB won’t make this call….
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
"he's doing better than Wolf"
Doing better and being better are two entirely different things. See Player X above.
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by Yar Nivek on Jun 28, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
JEd
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Doonesbury is 40
And so are you
(Except I’ve always thought you were drawn better.)
by nullacct on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Another reason we love Mark A
bq.Q: Do you think the payroll number will be the same in 2011 as it is now?
A: Roughly. I’m counting on the fans still coming out. It seems like they are. We have a great fan base that allows us to do that.
Obviously, he’s not going to say, “I expect to pull back about 15 million dollars,” but he didn’t duck the question. He gave himself some playing room with “roughly” but he’s indicating that they’re not going to be playing fire sale next year.
His other quotes show that he knows what’s going on. I knew the Reds weren’t this good, but his quote about them having 13 wins on the last at-bat explains a lot.
Quote #2
I’ve read some articles recently — on blogs and in the press — about teams not playing the right way. We’re not in that group.
Clearly, KL’s press box credentials came directly from the top! Maybe he can cover the next one from the owner’s box.
Of course you didn't mean "love." Owners are necessary evils.
Except in Green Bay, of course.
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
And Appleton
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
NL more East than East
league
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by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
When I heard of the injury that was my wonder
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
Woah
I don’t mean to take pleasure in someone’s debilitating injury, but wouldn’t that be awesome if the Brewers ended up getting him in the 50th round?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
True
But given his major injury, he might just elect to sign right away. Admittedly a long shot.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
not baseball related
but the mormon conversion “conversations” ads on the main page are weirding me the fuck out.
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by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions
I wonder if they ads are different for everyone based on cookies
the only ad I see is for Royal Caribbean Cruise lines
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
just as I say that mine goes away as well
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
I wonder how much all these Non Baseball things are pulling on Braun
I mean his numbers are still very good but he does not seem like the Braun we have all come to know and love at the plate.
I am sorry opening and running any business has to be hard especially in the restaurant biz we don’t know how hands on he is but he strikes me as pretty hands on type of guy.
Just a thought I have been mulling over the last week or so and than it came up in the Mug so I figured I am not the only person wondering about this.
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
According to the servers/bartenders he's a pretty hands on manager.
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by Yar Nivek on Jun 28, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
that might explain his mind set at home plate
no one likes to lose money on a venture
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Sorry, that was innuendo.
Remember, he basically said “Only hot babes need apply”.
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Given there's nothing the team can do about it
I don’t worry too much about it, but you’re probably right, it’d be hard to see them not having an impact.
Shruggity.
You're not the only one.
But I blame the switch in the lineup (Fielder batting 3rd, Braun 4th) for his struggles. It was done with the hope that Fielder would actually start hitting. He’s only just starting to do that now. Meanwhile Braun has stopped hitting.
Of course my thinking could just be me subconsciously finding more ways to dislike Macha.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 28, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
We had a HUGE dust up about this before
I think it had to do with Braun spending some off night at a Remetee event. Opinions spanned the spectrum and it started getting personal. This situation is a little different.
I’m with Mykenk on this one. The team can’t do anything about it, but it has to be affecting him in some way.
Two month slump
He’s been listless at bat since late April.
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
True
But do you really think he’s worrying about how much tarragon is in the special while he’s batting?
No
But he could really be drained from figuring out which two animals he wants to have mate against natures wishes, depicted, on his new t shirt.
I can only imagine that all of those thoughts running through his head while 90 mph plus fastballs are coming at him, is a hard thing to do….
Braun’s thought process….
“OK, 2-0 count…fastball, fastball, fastball,,dolphin, big red swirls, multicolored daisy, fastball, leopard….”. Fastball flys past for strike one….
by backtocali on Jun 28, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Braun
Has been off since he was hit in the left elbow on May 10
He’s just been good instead of his typical superhuman.
Hopefully it was just a horrible month
May 10-June 10: .229/.267/.349
June 11-present: .305/.339/.492
I've had it with this verkakte flippity-ship!
These numbers confirm "my feeling" dammit
But numbers don’t tell the story in the outfield where I don’t see any fire either. There may be no one slower at retrieving balls in the corner. And his “big step” before a throw in seems to be getting the attention of advantage-seeking opponents.
Soft in the middle of the lineup will not get the job done.
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Why include SB and CS?
If you’re trying to say that it has something to do with his elbow getting hit, why bother with SB?
If he’s not getting on base as it is, his SB will be down anyway, so they’re just going to skew the results
http://www.mlbsoup.com
And once again the good people of BCB discover something the Brewers staff have probably known
I love this place. It happened with Hoffman and now with Braun.
Casual Fan: Why has Braun sucked since May?
nullact: He was hit in the elbow on May 10.
CF: So? Players get hit all the time.
TheJay: May 10-June 10 Braun hit .229. Then June 11-present hitting .305
CF: dumb look on face
Braun got a boo-boo. Braun didn’t tell anyone to let it heal on the 15-day DL. It’s now healed over time. Good Braun is back.
The Brewers DL in the outfield was already on emergency life support through the stretch. Adam Stern may have actually seen some playing time.
At least he’s working while at the restaurant, unlike certain Cub players (I’m looking at you Randy Wells, among others) who are well known to be out until 4 AM on nights before they have to pitch.
Get a ife broseph
"At least he’s working while at the restaurant,"
I hope you meant this sarcastically. If anyone wants to be a hands-on restauranteur, I’m fine with that. Just don’t go on the f*cking baseball field that Wisconsin is paying for!
"When you really, really break it down the only numbers that count is how many runs you help (produce) and how many runs you save. There’s really not a number for that." --Casey McGehee
by heybatterbatter on Jun 28, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Hitting Braun in the elbow
Braun was destroying the ball before, went on a terrible cold streak immediately following, and hasn’t been the same since.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Training staff could have nothing to do with it
If Braun tells them he is fine but is actually experiencing some sort of physical pain, or some sort of psychological effect that is causing him to somehow hit differently
Then Braun's dumb.
If you’re sore, tell someone. And getting hit once shouldn’t make you scared of the ball.
Shruggity.
Interesting point there
He was hit 13 times last season, but hasn’t been plunked since May 10, and his K/G have gone up. Maybe Mr. Cocky is a little scared of digging in?
Edmonds
I dont remember ever seeing this in the mug, and for all I know this was from over a year ago, but did anyone catch Jim Edmonds on an episode of Entourage recently?
Saw a rerun of it last night and I was kind of blown away by it. He must have some high up connections to be able to pull that off.
hey you, the one with the big yeaa!
and you, awwww you look so good
and you, you shop lift everyday
and you and you and you c’mere yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Not quite
He was getting onto a private plane with some other celeb while standing there with Matt Damon, LeBron James and the Entourage stars. He was even introduced as himself.
He must have cut him a bit fucking check
I mean.. 10K just isn’t going to cut it. Think of the children.
I have a fucking academy award and I'm calling you back!!!!
by LosinCatmansLove on Jun 28, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
that show
used to be good but has really gone downhill. That midget E is so annoying.
Get well soon Ueck
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