Day 2 MLB Draft Open Thread
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 8, 2010 10:42 AM CDT
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PrintThe MLB Draft resumes at 11 today with the second round, and will continue through round 30. Here's an open thread to discuss it.
Enjoy the draft!
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Left my phone at home today
No idea how the Brewers are going to contact me to start negotiating contract terms.
I've got my glove
I’m all taped up…I’m ready for day 2
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
here's a bright side
or at least a different way to look at it…We pick 14…Which means there are 13 other teams who have generally been historically bad and therefore, their scouting is inferior to ours. :)
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Word is that he wants $3M bonus.
I’d like him of course, but see why the Brewers would pass.
Get a ife broseph
The Brewers farm system is in rough enough shape and they lack a lot of picks this year, I’m fine with passing on any of these guys who are huge signability risks.
Get a ife broseph
Having fewer picks can’t they pony up more money for the ones they do make though? Especially since Covey might not be a difficult sign for a first-rounder.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
that's the logic I would follow
with only 4 picks, I would think their draft kitty would be rather full. Especially since they’re drawing middle-of-the-pack
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
I'd rather go with Cole
Allie throws 100 but had no control. Sounds like Jeffress.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 8, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Baseball Beginnings Scouting Report
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Was it just me
or was the sun a little brighter this morning? (in spite of the rain going through the area)
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Oh, we don't have access to this portion of the call? :)
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Mayo has Solis going 51
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Yup
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Maybe if these guys weren't talking so much they could hear who was getting picked
Get a ife broseph
gone to San Diego
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Griffin Murphy
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
to Toronto
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Ryan Lemarre to Cincy at 62
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
#63 Petricka
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
James nelson?
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
from MLB.com scouting report
Physical Description: Nelson is big and physical, a bigger version of Jeff Suppan.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Can we get a gas can with a different head?
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 8, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I might retract my request...
Sorry to put you on it.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 8, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel bad for this kid already
Unfortunate comparisons he probably doesn’t deserve.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 8, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
He can't possibly be worse than Suppan
It’s absolutely impossible. He could pitch worse, or he could cost us as much, but never both.
Of all the big, physical pitchers in the majors
Why on earth would you choose to compare a kid to Jeff Suppan?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
With that said, they didn't say how much bigger.
Visions of Robo-Looper just passed through my head.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Seeing that he throws 94 made me encouraged...
Yo thows about that, and probably didnt thow that hard when he was drafted (yes, I know he was out of HS)
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 8, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Right
And if he throws 94, then he’s not really anything like Suppan. Maybe he has a goatee?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Anyone with the label "innings eater"
will forever be compared to Suppan here.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 8, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Right, but that didn't come from us.
That’s from his MLB.com scouting report.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
MLB.com scouting report on Jimmy Nelson
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
This video did nothing more to excite me
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 8, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
94 mph fastball
With slider and changeup. Needs to work on changeup to become an effective starter.
Get a ife broseph
Random fact: Suppan only threw low 80s when he was drafted
At least this guy is 91-94.
Failure is just success rounded down.
sure he did. anytime he left Milwaukee going West
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
by MadtownTim on Jun 8, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Does it count to measure the ball's speed after a bat has changed its direction?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Never trust a man with two first names
Failure is just success rounded down.
by TheJay on Jun 8, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not horribly excited about this pick
Bottom of the rotation guy, but could be a back of the bullpen, can live with it if they put him in the pen and let loose his FB, tops out at 97.
OK?
I’d wait more than 30 seconds before calling a pick lame, but that’s just me.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jun 8, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would you prefer he called it "disappointing," "unexciting" or "not what I'm looking for?"
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I guess I’d prefer reasons why – it just sounds like “I’ve never heard of him = lame.”
I shouldn’t have said anything, I realize its just people’s gut reactions.
Get a ife broseph
Soft tossing? I’ve seen he throws 94, is there something else you’ve seen?
Looks like he had a great SEC tournament and end of the year to help his draft prospects.
Get a ife broseph
This is just Melvin bringing his pathological love of “durability” into the draft itself. Look at what he said about Covey yesterday.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Roy Halladay=Durable
Roy Halladay != Soft Tossing
just sayin
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 8, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Let me say this
there are a lot of us here that don’t live and breathe the draft or prospects even. We’re going to go with the scouting reports and probably reading about these players for the first time just as they’re chosen.
With that, we’re probably going to make off-handed remarks regarding the picks. Some will be accurate, some will be wildly fandimonious (yes, I made that word up).
Take a breath and move on.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Comparing a pick to Jeff Suppan though,...
That’s a bit much
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
It was in the scouting report.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
*shrugs*
It’s an unfortunate comparison.
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Is signability really the only knock against AJ Cole?
maybe his commitment to Miami?
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
He must have said he's not going to sign outside of round 1
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Is this this anti-Fredrickson pick?
Taking a college pitcher with good control and a track record of success in a tough conference but without glowing scouting reports.
Seems the total opposite of Fredrickson who had a spotty track record but blew everyone away with his high 90s fastball in workouts.
Not making a judgement either way, just think its interestingn how Seid went the exact opposite direction Jack Z did with his second round pick.
Get a ife broseph
I like how fast this draft goes.
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions
This is how quickly every draft should go
The NBA and NFL just play it up so much
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Jun 8, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Well the NBA is only 2 rounds...
and the NFL (and NBA) can trade picks, so I think they need that time to move up and down in the draft order
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone know anyone in the draft? Or have a local kid going?
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions
Catcher from MN?
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
There is a kid from Sun Prairie going to Minnesota.
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Sun Prairie has a good pipeline to MN
Their main assistant is the former HS coach there…..Fornassiere
Yeah
But hes probably a better RF as a pro.
His dad made it all the way to AAA as a Twin I believe.
Next year will know someone as well, local kid.
My son plays on a team with the brother of Connor Fisk
the pitcher from Grafton
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The PG team?
If so, I probably saw him play.
Not horribly impressed with Fisk. Definitely needs to go to college to refine his game. Nice HS pitcher, but not ready yet to be a pro.
He played for Perfect Game.
My son plays with his 11 yr old brother on a travel team.
I would agree Connor could use refinement.
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The day I saw Fisk
everything was up in the zone. His little slurvy pitch looks decent, but again needs refinement.
I swore i saw him throw a changeup that day, if so, it was a great pitch, but probably a once in while type of thing.
He threw a one-hitter on Friday.
I think he is committed to Washburn.
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Wabash Valley CC
Yeah, I think he needs more than a year or two in CC. Hopefully he does well and can catch on with a D1 program in the area.
Yeah, not Washburn.
Not sure what I was thinking there.
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats probably not it.
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they actually live in Brown Deer
but Conor goes to school in Grafton.
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
There are 3 boys in the family.
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
she's got a softball butt though...;)
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Another pitcher
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
get used to it...
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Tyler Thornburg to Brewers
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Tim Lincecum comparison?
That’s better (even if it is for the thing that Lincecum was knocked for)
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
He throws like Lincecum
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by Fatter than Joey on Jun 8, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he'll be like the Natural
After his pitching career ends, he’ll become a slugging RF.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Jun 8, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope we don't have to wait until he's 36
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
My shoulder hurts just watching that video.
Looks like he’s getting almost all of his power from his arm, with a nice whip-crack effect.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Looks like his foot hits the ground before he releases the ball. Big No-No.
I could be seeing it wrong, but if that’s the case, it’s probably the first thing Peterson corrects.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Also played some RF in college
Video Proof
I remember the second catch from ESPN
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Threw 158 pitches back in March against Florida
Tyler Thornburg’s routine didn’t change just because he went the distance on 158 pitches and registered a career-high 11 strikeouts against nationally-ranked Florida a day earlier.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Another bullpen arm
Although he did make a 158 pitch game earlier in the year.
Doesnt have a 3rd pitch, but his best pitch is his power curve. Small frame, funky mechanics and straight FB that sits in the 88-92 range.
Yup
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
yep
He’s probably struck a secret deal with the Brewers to come here but as a late round pick, to save the orgainzation money.
He’s just that type of guy. I knew he was the right pick for them.
Crap
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
I doubt he's signable if he's still on the board at this point
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would think he'd spend a couple years at Miami and then try it again
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
I donk know how he got away
I had an electronic tracking device chained to his ankle. How he managed to talk with anyone fromt he Nationals is beyond me.
right, but he probably won't sign with the Nats either :)
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
If the Nats actually do sign him, they are going to be really good in a few years...
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 8, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think he was a big signability risk
There were reports that his stuff was a bit off at a big high school prospect event a few years ago and his stock started to drop.
I bet the Nats can get him for slot or slightly above.
I've heard that several places also
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
doesn't look like that last guy uses his legs much
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Your better board sir
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
You're welcome
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Actually, they only have the first 50 listed
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Yep, he is
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
From the webcast...
From Auburn. Was 2nd round pick in 2007 by the Red Sox. Athletic enough to be a corner OF.
Get a ife broseph
#130 - Hunter Morris to Brewers
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
I think you mean Hunty, Scooty, and Cutty.
Failure is just success rounded down.
by TheJay on Jun 8, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yost is gone...Let it go man...:)
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
by MadtownTim on Jun 8, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Er" is the new "y"
Hopefully these guys can make it to the bigs in time to play with Brauner, Alcer and Yover.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 8, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is Cutter the equipment manager?
Because that’s the only way he’s making it to Milwaukee.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 8, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Manly
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummmmm
question….
Anyone see the movie “The Rookie”?
Jim Morris’ kid was named Hunter…This couldn’t be him, could it?
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
nice...:)
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
he's not...Dad's name is Jeff
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Damn you
I was just linking that.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
MadtownTim beat me to a video posting earlier
I wasn’t going to let that happen again.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 8, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I've got to look up James Nelson as well
I’m looking for other info on Morris. He’s listed as a 1B but they say he could play corner OF as well. Not sure why they’re drafting a 1B right now, unless they want a stop-gap after Fielder leaves until Morris is ready.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
There isn’t a 1B in the system right now. Glad he has versatility to play other spots if needed.
Get a ife broseph
Gamel still plays for the Brewers minor league teams, right?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I just legitimately think that's where they end up putting him
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they will trade him when/if he starts hitting again at AAA
Failure is just success rounded down.
Prince and Gamel to Boston
for Youk and Burnett? :)
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
You mean Beckett?
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Jun 8, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's the one...I always seem to mix those two up
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Who plays 1B?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
I just don’t think they have enough patience with Gamel to keep him around learning a new position.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Mcgehee was 26 before he broke out
Look what happened when the Cubs gave up on him…
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying they should
Just that I think they will. If it comes back to bite them, McGehee gives Melvin a guy to hem and haw and say it all evens out with.
Failure is just success rounded down.
I guess
But why wouldn’t they have traded him for pitching before the deadline last year, then?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Or this off-season
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he was in the majors last July and McGehee hadn't hit well all season yet
And Gamel didn’t get hurt, again, until spring training.
Failure is just success rounded down.
So, in other words
You’re saying Doug Melvin is absolutely terrible at determining when a player’s value is at its peak?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm saying I think they have run out of patience with Gamel
But, if it makes you happy, I don’t think Melvin is very good now at trades.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Its not that it makes me happy for you to say that
I simply think its a fact borne out by history.
I don’t think they’ll be inclined to trade him, if they can get utility out of him at another position. Maybe I’m wrong.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
His trade value is pretty low right now
Then again, getting hosed for a MLB SS is his most recent foray into the trade world, so I’m sure he’ll trade Gamel for a guy who just underwent his third TJ, and is 35.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
who got hosed for a MLB SS?
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Doug Melvin
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
i will disagree
but I’m not going to argue about it
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
About what?
You <3 Gomez? Or you think it was a great time to trade Hardy?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the upsides of Escobar at short and Gomez in center rather than JJ at short and someone like Gerut in center. It got less expensive and we have better defense overall.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
You remember J.J. Hardy the 3rd best defender regardless of position over the past 3 years according to UZR
Right?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew you were setting me up for that one
We’re better in center field and we’re about even at short (with much better range). Look past just SS and the entire package of the deal.
With that, I’ll go back to my previous statement “but I’m not going to argue about it”
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Gomez's defense is only slightly better than Cameron's
Although he’s younger. If you’re saying that Gomez is slightly better than Cameron, OK. If you’re saying that Escobar is better, even a smidge than Hardy was, I’m calling you on it. In three years? Escobar will definitely be the superior defensive player. You’re getting next to nothing in terms of offensive production from two positions that you had a nice amount of production from last year.
You can back-water if you like, but it boils down to this.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
what is "back-water"?
From above:
I like the upsides of Escobar at short and Gomez in center rather than JJ at short and someone like Gerut in center. It got less expensive and we have better defense overall.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
this
With that, I’ll go back to my previous statement "but I’m not going to argue about it"
After I said this:
You remember J.J. Hardy the 3rd best defender regardless of position over the past 3 years according to UZR
And you without an actual response, just some vagaries that aren’t really founded.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
How about this instead
It got less expensive and we have better overall players
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by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose if you'd like to debate opinions...again...
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Got hosed?
Why yes, Gomez has a hose.
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I think eventually 1B or RF
But you raise a good point that we might have a 1B in the system who just isn’t playing 1B right now.
Get a ife broseph
Casey McGehee?
O:)
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by GormanBraun28 on Jun 8, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
then we need a 3B...Gamel doesn't inspire confidence there, with me
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I know, partially kidding.
Partially…makes me think we need a 3B prospect just in case. McGehee is fine there now, but who’s behind him really?
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by GormanBraun28 on Jun 8, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
does he have enough power for 3B at the MLB level?
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11 2B, 9 3B, 4 HR
that’s just kinda funny for me. :)
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Have you seen him play at 2B?
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by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't need a 3B though
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by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure but he doesn't have the power you'd want from a corner IF
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
No thank you
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
There are prototypes for how certain positions should be filled.
However, that doesn’t mean a team cannot succeed while breaking these molds.
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I don't think I ever said or even implied that
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, if he’s a good enough player what does it matter whether or not he hits for power? I don’t know if we’ll see Green in the majors, but he’s probably the #2 3B in the system.
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by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's ahead of him?
Plus, you probably don’t win a whole lot of games with a bunch of no-power, all (potentially) average guys on your roster. See also: Seattle Mariners.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing he is implying Gamel
As still a 3B at this point. Green was the Brewer’s Minor League player of the year two years ago. Sure his year last year was rough, but it started our with injury in which it appears he had a hard time returning to form from. At least recently he has shown signs of the player from 2008 that I think could be a good fit on our team based on his plate discipline.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad
Green was MiLPOY in 07, not 08.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't dislike Green
I just would prefer to see him at 2B
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Understandable
I guess that comes down to the organizations plans for Lawrie (and also Scooter if he continues to impress).
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a little too early to lock Gennett into the long term plans anywhere.
Yeah, he’s raking, but he has yet to complete half a professional season.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Oh, I concur
That’s why I added it as a little caveat with the
if he continues to impress
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I just feel like the organisation is sort of binding its own hands
He’s only played 4 games at 2B since 2006.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure but he doesn’t have the power you’d want from a corner IF
It seems to me you are implying that roster construction and lineup construction should be based on the prototype. (Corner IF hit for power, middle IF hit for average if they hit at all, etc.)
Naturally that all goes out the window for 9 LaPortas though.
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Oh, sorry I confused you
I should have been more clear:
With the departure of Prince Fielder, you need to get some of that power back at his position. A guy like Taylor Green as his possible 8-10 MLB HRs is not going to cut it. Even a Gamel with a potential 20-30 is going to be hard to swallow, but if he can hit a ton of doubles it feels a little less rough.
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~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Despite the Brewers’ philosophy, a team doesn’t need to be all home runs. The Brewers will have at least one premier slugger in Braun and maybe a second big hitter in McGehee. They don’t need 40 HR out of ever position…
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by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
And, in fact, they could potentially use a .300/.400/.450 type of guy.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
With an Emphasis on That Guy in the Middle
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Who couldn't?
There aren’t many guys who hit that line, though.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking up something I came across these splits
.355/.421/.493 (small sample alert)
Guess who?
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Inglett
Lol?
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, I like the guess
His are pretty close: .307/.383/.427
But his sample size is likes 11 times too big.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewers, or another team?
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewer Minor Leaguer
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Hint
The only reason I know is because I looked them up after a comment above.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how to sort searches like that at BBREF
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither do I
It’s Scooters slash
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Scootie
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice guess, I wouldn't have thought to go pitcher
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So
Like the Mariners?
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand you're trying to snipe
with the “Brewers philosophy” line as if I’m some “casual” who doesn’t “get it”.
If you want to rely on possibly 40 HR and around .900 OPS from Braun, and probably .800 OPS from McGehee as your source of power in the entire lineup, I think you’ll be a sad little panda in a few years.
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~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's that so much
But if there was a spot in the lineup you wanted to hide a slugger in, 1B is it. Bag ’o potatoes.
This too
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
There we go
I was hoping someone would drop the Greenster on this discussion.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Scouting Report on Morris from MLB.com
Scouting Report
Hitting ability: Morris has an above-average bat all around, with a solid approach. He’ll occasionally get around the ball, but he’s rarely fooled more than once.
Power: He has serious raw power from the left side and should have at least average, if not better, power in the future.
Running speed: He’s got better-than-you’d-think speed.
Base running: He has sneaky speed, definitely not a base-clogger.
Arm strength: He’s got an average arm that would be playable in the outfield.
Fielding: He’s gotten much better at first base and is athletic enough to handle a corner outfield spot.
Range: Has enough range to play the outfield when asked.
Physical Description: Morris has a body type similar to the Colorado Rockies’ Brad Hawpe.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: The bat, both the approach and the raw power.
Weaknesses: Early in his college career, he was a little overweight. He’s changed his body since, but he’ll have to watch his conditioning.
Heather has gotten faster since last night...:)
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You posted those quotes after me!
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
My goodness.
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Keep telling yourself that...:)
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Stephan Strasburg Debut References on MLB Network
So how many were there last night?
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Not nearly as many as ESPN
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Harper Harper Harper!!! Woo, 2010!
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Matthew Miller
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~Doug Melvin
RHP
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't they name the stadium after him?
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Throughout the spring, the 6-foot-6 Miller had shown flashes of brilliance, overpowering hitters with a fastball that hovered in the mid-90s – the product of an arm that Michigan coach Rich Maloney always felt was special.
I wonder how often a pro prospect's college coach says his arm is crappy
Failure is just success rounded down.
Brewers select Michigan RHP Matthew Miller
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Loading up
On the big guys with big fastballs.
Another guy who profiles better as a bullpen arm.
Bad command, shaky control, no deception, straight fastball and inconsitent slider.
At least Covey is said to have good command
No one else does.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
You can work on a guys command though
The thing I worry most about is having a 3rd pitch that is at least average, or the ability to become average.
Doug Melvin and Company are going to teach eveyone a change up.
They’ve been doing it for years. To what detriment/benefit, anyone can guess.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Are there any college pitchers in rounds 3-20 who don't profile as bullpen arms?
I’d think if they profiled as starters they’d be taken higher
Get a ife broseph
Eh
A guy can have the third pitch, and they may all be below average or need a lot of refinement. Or they can be taught that 3rd pitch and become a starter in the upper levels of an organization.
Think about it, you really only need 15 starters for the upper levels of your organization. And only 5 of them have to be serviceable in the major leagues.
In the lower levels you can have guys starting who you eventually turn into relievers or can be teaching that 3rd pitch, or command, or refining the pitches they already have to make them mlb starting pitcher material.
So is the thought process to take a guy who profiles as a bullpen arm (big fastball) and try to develop a 3rd pitch, if all else fails they can fall back with him as a bullpen option?
Get a ife broseph
Actually
I think its just the opposite. I’m pretty critical when it comes to drafting pitchers and have probably unusually high standards.
I think the thinking is usually to draft guys as starters with the thought that they can be taught the things they need to become mlb ready starting pitchers, like that 3rd pitch, or better command, or refinement. And if all else fails put them in the bullpen.
Lots of teams now a days draft guys specifically as bullpen arms, which I dont agree with. Its pretty rare to start as a reliever and become a starter later on. So if a guy like that falters they have no where else to go.
and we're back!
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And going much faster now!
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 8, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
44 more rounds today...I would hope so...:)
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White Sox need a better phone
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William Hawn - 1B (Tennessee)
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I thought I heard 1B...Everything I find though is 3B/OF
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William Cody Hawn
Goes by Cody, 5’11" 202
2009 – .352/.441/.593/1.034 .983 fld%
2008 – .364/.451/.773/1.224 .998 fld% (22HRs in 198AB)
wasn't cody hawn
that chick with mel gibson in “bird on a wire”?
I knew a C Schuh in college
I hope youre not him. He didnt like me very much.
Wasnt the person you are thinking of one of the Golden Girls?
Did we draft him previously?
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Yep, 21st round in 2007
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Possible new SS. He's Canadian, and carries a big stick.
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Well, he's very good at calling people "you friggin' hoser".
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Austin Ross - RHP (LSU)
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Ausin Ross, RHP LSU
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For those keeping score at home...
6 pitchers and two 1B/OF
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by GormanBraun28 on Jun 8, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
a lot of these college guys
might play summer ball to improve their bonuses and start out at WI, or just sit out the summer.
wtf
Appeared in 19 games (17 starts), posting a 6-8 mark and a 5.18 ERA in 83.1 innings with 22 walks and 76 strikeouts
throws hard, throws strikes
is what a scout sees
you can teach him things like command, control and mechanics and turn them into a major leaguer.
Yadiel Rivera - SS - Manueal Tora HS PR
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From Scout.com
One of the bigger movers up draft boards is Yadiel Rivera, who like (Edwin) Gomez, may get drafted as a shortstop, but may not be long for the position. At 6-foot-2 and 175 pounds, Rivera has a projectable frame that should give him more power in time. He moves well defensively and has an average arm.
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yeah, I am just posting what I find...:)
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From Baseball America
Yadiel Rivera has a lean, athletic 6-foot-2, 175-pound frame. He’s a legitimate shortstop with great range and smooth actions. He’s an average runner and his arm is a little light for the left side of the infield, but he shows slick glovework. His swing is inconsistent and he doesn’t have much strength yet, but his bat could come around when he adds muscle to his projectable frame. His offensive growth will determine whether he can start up the middle or serve as a reserve or utilityman.
(battlekow)
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Sounds like a pretty good pick for this late in the draft
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by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Rapheal Nada - C - UNM
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Ummmm, wow?
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Caution: don't use college stats
metal bats, etc
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
they use metal bats in college?
really?
/shocked look
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No reason to be a dick, really
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Player profile and stats from UNM
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Another look at him. Any reason he fell so low?
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by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
he was also up for the Johnny Bench award as best catcher in the nation
haven’t see the results
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he didn't make the final 3
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From BBA via Battlekow
The school year got off to a rough start for Rafael Neda, as he came down with swine flu in the fall and lost 15 pounds. Neda has always been a gym rat, however, and as soon as he was healthy he got back to work and rebuilt his 6-foot-1, 220-pound frame. He has a rock-solid build without an ounce of fat. While offense can be difficult to judge in New Mexico’s high altitude, scouts have no question Neda can hit, though his power is a question mark. In previous years he had a closed stance and a middle-away approach. This year, he narrowed and opened his stance a bit in an attempt to hit more home runs. He did that, though his contact rate suffered a bit and he still had just 10 homers on the season. He shows amazing raw power in batting practice, but scouts see him as a .280 hitter with average power. Defensively, Neda needs work. Early in the year he was setting up too deep behind the plate and had to stab at a lot of balls, but he is a solid receiver and adequate blocker, with soft hands. He has fringe-average arm strength, and his throwing is hindered by bad footwork. Some scouts expect him to lose a few pounds in the grind of catching a full pro season, which will help loosen him up and help his throwing. He’s not the most vocal leader, but he is a smart player who leads by example. Neda profiles as a sixth- to 10th-round talent, but could go higher to a team that likes his bat and is willing to work with him behind the plate.
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So in other words
He’s a guy who could hit enough to stick at catcher, but his defensive abilities mean he’s likely not a catcher.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
sounds about right
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If he makes it to the majors and catches Gallardo, the Brewer swill have conquered North America. An all-Canadian, all-American, and all-Mexican pitcher/catcher combo.
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by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Make that
Rafael Nada
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NEDA
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Yeah, i feel ya'
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I felt old (well, relatively) when Covey said that he modeled his pitching on Cliff Lee, as I distinctly remember when Cliff Lee was still a crappy pitcher.
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by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
So...2007?
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic
But its not as if Cliff Lee was a ‘bad pitcher’ when Covey was in diapers or something.
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
it's not sarcasm
it’s placating.
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Oh, thanks
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You two make a good team
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by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I can find about Neda he seems really good
I guess he might be a signability risk because he can always go back to college next season for his senior year and try to be drafted higher, not sure why he fell so low though.
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Greg Holly - RHP - Texas Christian
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6'6 - 220...BIG BOY
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spelling fail, again
Holle
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sounds like he's got some mechanical issues
From 2009:
Soph Greg Holle (RHP – 1-2, 4.50 ERA, 14 starts, 60 IP, 71 H, 30 BB, 32 K, 0 HR, .310 BA) came into the season with high expectations as a high profile recruit and was projected to be the top newcomer in the MWC according to Baseball America. Holle is 6’8" and as tall pitchers tend to do, he often struggled with his mechanics and control and was also often quickly pulled out of the game due to TCU’s deep bullpen. He allowed 4 R’s on 6 H’s in 4 2/3 IP in last year’s series with Fullerton.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
I suppose with that many pitchers
at least one has to pan out at some point. Even if it IS in spite of the development program.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
And some of them will probably also get to play the outfield at Helena.
Since the Brewers don’t appear to be drafting anyone to play there.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Although its worth noting
That a couple of the scouting reports do indicate that some of the pitchers are good hitters, as well. Maybe this year’s plan of attack is to draft ‘pitchers’ and convert them to outfielders.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
20 Inning game? No problem.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
John Bivens
Who knows about him?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Also played football for Virginia
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
seems to be the same guy
tranferred schools after leaving football. Same hometown and same photo
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Reading his football bio
I’m not surprised he switched to baseball. Appears to be not-so-good at football.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
John Bivens - RF - Virginia State Univeristy
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Wow
Michael White RHP
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Its as if
The Mustache said “Hold on here, and things. These fans seem to know we don’t have any pitching, and that.”
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
8 pitchers, 5 position players
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Correct
Scary.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW
Last year at this time the Brewers had selected:
Two catchers
Two infielders
Five outfielders
Seven pitchers
This year they’ve selected:
One catcher
Three infielders
One outfielder
Eight pitchers
Now that's great tasting chicken!
2 1B 1 3B 1 SS
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Michael Walker 3B
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
FWIW
A friend of mine has seen him play at Pacific and offered this scouting report:
Left handed hitter. Also played catcher and first base in his career. Power guy. Not a great contact hitter.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Christopher Bates LHP
Regis HS
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Finally
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Time to move to Montana and open a Big & Tall
These guys are all huge
by nullacct on Jun 8, 2010 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Melvin is drafting a squad of bodyguards for himself and Macha
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jun 8, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Very
Isn’t he 5’8" or something crazy?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
5'7" actually
Thought I saw this idea floated a couple days ago but can’t remember where. Very interested to see what comments the Brewers make regarding the move and if it is permanent.
Get a ife broseph
Anyone know
His speed credentials? To me his build wouldn’t translate into very effective OF range.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 8, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I read that as faith in Kottaras.
I had assumed that Lucroy would be the starting catcher of the future, while Salome would be his backup when he’s ready for the big leagues.
If they’re giving up on Salome behind the plate, I would think it’s because they have developed faith in Kottaras as a valuable enough player to share time with Lucroy, and take Salome’s spot behind the plate.
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Andrew Morris
RHP
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Gulf Coast CC
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
128 K vs. 50 BB in 96.2 IP
3.44 ERA
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoops
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Also there's a video
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Brian Garman LHP
Cinncinnatti
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~Doug Melvin
Better signability, I suppose
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, probably just organizational filler. I’ve been kind paying half-attention today, have they picked any HS kids that might be in line for a bigger bonus? Like they did with Gennet or Hall last year?
Get a ife broseph
Maybe Joel Pierce or Yadiel Rivera
RHP and SS respectively
219 and 279 overall. Although I have no idea whether they’re due over-slot or what. Those are two of the higher HS picks today for the Crew, though.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
65 Ks vs. 19 BBs in 59.1 IP with a 3.79 ERA
17 appearrances, 5 starts
Linky
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Thomas Keeling LHP
Oklahoma State.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
92:42 K:BB with a 5.74 ERA in 64.1 IP
12G/12GS
Also a senior.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like he is a redshirt junior
Sat out a year with injury.
He was drafted in the 20th round by the Yanks last year. Battlekow pointed out on Twitter that he was ranked #189 by Baseball America. Might be someone to keep an eye on.
Get a ife broseph
Hmmm
Draft and follow? Or that’s too high of a pick?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
They got rid of the draft and follow a couple years ago. He’s 22 so I’d guess his financial leverage is pretty low at this point. His stats you posted don’t get me excited, maybe they can figure something out with him once he gets to RK ball.
Get a ife broseph
Ahh, I was never really that clear on the whole draft and follow thing anyway
glad they got rid of it.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
So Now
12 Pitchers (9 RHP 3 LHP)
1 C
1 SS
1 LF
2 3B
1 1B
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Updated
12 Pitchers (9 RHP 3 LHP)
1 C
1 SS
2 OF (1 LF, 1 RF)
2 3B
1 1B
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
12 P ( 9 RHP 3 LHP)
1 C (maybe 2)
2 SS
2 OF (1 LF, 1 RF(maybe))
2 3B
1 1B
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Rowan Wick RF
Carson Graham HS.
The first prep position player taken by the crew, IIRC.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
He's Canadian
I’m not a scout, but it looks like he tends to drop his head at contact. I know that’s not ideal.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You can see it here too
He really drops his back shoulder and head when he swings.
Linky
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
These are the 15 2010 high school catching prospects that are most likely to be selected in the top ten rounds. Using the historical data, let’s eliminate some from the pool
then:
Next, I think you can eliminate Rowan Wick for now, though his signability might be a plus. However, Canadian catchers are rarely picked high unless they have a special bat, and while Wick is a solid prospect, I think he’s more likely to slip a little
So, Seiler had him as a first 10 rounds pick that could slip a little, and the Brewers get him at 579 in the 19th round. I wonder if he’s going to OF then or sticking at C.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Shea Vucinich SS
Washington State University
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Junior
Not thrilling offensive numbers, which isn’t great in college. Possibly drafted on defense?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Was just looking...
We are thinking alike. 15 errors in 59 games, so probably not a dynamo out there.
Like the name.
Get a ife broseph
Really though
Michael Marseco and Carlos George are still playing short in the low levels of the minors because the organizational depth is that low. Any shortstop is a potential addition to organizational depth at this point.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Did anyone catch who the MATC (Madison Area Technical College) kid was a while ago?
As fast as the rounds are going now, I would guess maybe 10 rounds ago?
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Gracias...:)
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Well
We’ll see how it all shakes out, but it sure doesn’t seem like they are going to spend much money on this draft and are relying on college pitchers quite a bit.
Maybe not the worst thing considering how poorly this draft class was rated and the lack of compensation picks to get top talent, but there isn’t a ton to get excited about outside of Covey. Obviously, hope I’m wrong about this.
Get a ife broseph
The 1B in the 4th round might end up being a real nice pick, too.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 8, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
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