Bad News For David Riske and Dave Bush in This Week's BCB Tracking Poll
by Kyle Lobner on Jun 9, 2010 7:00 AM CDT
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PrintThis week's poll was open from Monday at noon to Tuesday, and received 211 responses. Here are the most notable results:
- 30% of voters think the Brewers should have designated David Riske for assignment instead of activating him this week.
- 36% of voters think Dave Bush should be the odd man out of the rotation.
- For the third consecutive week, approval ratings for Doug Melvin, Ken Macha and Rick Peterson held near steady. This week they're at 46%, 16% and 11%, respectively.
Follow the jump for the full results.
David Riske's minor league rehab assignment ends this week, meaning the Brewers will either have to add him to the 25 and 40 man rosters or designate him for assignment. Which should they do?
| Response | Votes | % |
| Add him to the roster | 148 | 70% |
| Designate him for assignment | 63 | 30% |
Who should have been removed from the 40-man roster to make room for Mat Gamel when he was added last week?
| Response | Votes | % |
| Kameron Loe | 5 | 2% |
| Jeff Suppan | 141 | 67% |
| Joe Inglett | 2 | 1% |
| Luis Cruz | 32 | 15% |
| Angel Salome | 4 | 2% |
| Adam Heether | 22 | 10% |
| Someone else | 5 | 2% |
Which of these pitchers should NOT be in the Brewers' starting rotation?
| Response | Votes | % |
| Yovani Gallardo | 1 | 0% |
| Randy Wolf | 4 | 2% |
| Dave Bush | 76 | 36% |
| Chris Narveson | 60 | 28% |
| Chris Capuano | 38 | 18% |
| Manny Parra | 32 | 15% |
Do you approve of the job Doug Melvin is doing as General Manager of the Brewers?
| Response | Votes | % | Prev | Diff |
| Yes | 98 | 46% | 43% | +3% |
| No | 62 | 29% | 30% | -1% |
| Undecided | 51 | 24% | 24% | n/c |
Do you approve of the job Ken Macha is doing is Manager of the Brewers?
| Response | Votes | % | Prev | Diff |
| Yes | 33 | 16% | 15% | +1% |
| No | 141 | 67% | 66% | +1% |
| Undecided | 37 | 18% | 16% | +2% |
Do you approve of the job Rick Peterson is doing as Pitching Coach of the Brewers?
| Response | Votes | % | Prev | Diff |
| Yes | 23 | 11% | 10% | +1% |
| No | 112 | 53% | 53% | n/c |
| Undecided | 76 | 36% | 34% | +2% |
Do you approve of the decision to sign Randy Wolf to a three year deal?
| Response | Votes | % | Prev | Diff |
| Yes | 161 | 76% | 74% | +2% |
| No | 35 | 17% | 13% | +4% |
| Undecided | 15 | 7% | 10% | -3% |
Do you approve of the decision to sign Doug Davis to a one year deal?
| Response | Votes | % | Prev | Diff |
| Yes | 125 | 59% | 58% | +1% |
| No | 68 | 32% | 30% | -2% |
| Undecided | 18 | 9% | 9% | n/c |
Do you approve of the decision to trade J.J. Hardy to the Twins for Carlos Gomez?
| Response | Votes | % | Prev* | Diff |
| Yes | 154 | 73% | 67% | +6% |
| No | 42 | 20% | 23% | -3% |
| Undecided | 15 | 7% | 9% | -2% |
* - The question about Hardy and Gomez last appeared in the poll on April 27, so "Prev" in this case refers to that poll.
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Thanks to the cubs fan
for stopping by and suggesting that Yo doesn’t belong in the rotation.
I occasionally wonder how many people troll in the tracking poll.
I guess it’s less than I expected.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
or other trolls take less outragious stances
and pick semi-plausible answers.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 9, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Even this stance might not be horribly unrenreasonable...
With Yo in the bullpen, he would have the opportunity to help the team every day, 3 or 4 out of 5 days when he is pitching the other days he grabs a bat :)
This could also be one of the advocates for starting your relief pitcher and having your starter go the final 6…
So maybe there should be an “All of ’em” option?
-Please note I am not the person who voted this way, I am only pointing out some possible justifications for the response.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 9, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
um....
what’s YGs batting average this season again?
Sure he hits a dinger now and again, but he’s a pitcher…
“This could also be one of the advocates for starting your relief pitcher and having your starter go the final 6”
Seriously? they exist?
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 9, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
"-Please note I am not the person who voted this way, I am only pointing out some possible justifications for the response."
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 9, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Also...
-Please note I am not the person who voted this way, I am only pointing out some possible justifications for the response.
The idea has been tossed around before.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 9, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Copy, paste fail
Should have been:
This could also be one of the advocates for starting your relief pitcher and having your starter go the final 6
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 9, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
tossed up or tossed out perhaps
I cannot think of a possible pro argument other than if the pen has already blown the game by inning 3 or 4, you don’t both putting in your starter and you just use him on a day when he’d matter.
Other than that, you’re limiting him to an inning count, rather than a pitch count, which is even more stupid than the latter.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 9, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
It is horribly unreasonable
Why would you put your best starter pitcher into the pen? He might be available more games, but he can’t help the team win if the score is out of reach.
I’d like to know who some of these advocates are that want to use a reliever to start the game… because I’d punch them in the face.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Davis
I wonder how many Yes votes are because the voter thinks he is a useful piece to have around and how many are because the voter is relieved he’s around for only one year.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Same here
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
I’ve been voting yes because I approved of giving him the contract at the time and thus, always will approve of it.
If the question was about if as of right now, am I glad he was signed? I’d probably vote differently.
Get a ife broseph
Agreed
I’ve been voting the same way as well and thought everyone would be. I don’t think there’s much value in voting using hindsight. Otherwise, you might as well change the question to… “Are you happy with the way Davis has been pitching?”
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
the question IS as of right now
otherwise Kyle would have just asked the question at the start of the season and never again.
The point is “given the benefit of partial hindsight, do you think the deal has been a good one and will be a good one for the remaining duration of the contract?”
c’mon guys…don’t be stubborn or dumb.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 9, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's the point of commenting on a blog
if you can’t be stubborn or dumb?
Same here
A one year deal at the time isn’t bad.
That being said I would rather have one Ben Sheets than one Doug Davis+one Dave Bush.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 9, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Sheets hasn’t been pitching very well… in fact, he hasn’t been much better than Bush.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Well, the way I looked at it
I supported both the moves to sign Davis and Wolf at the time so it would be only in hindsight that I’d change it. I still can’t believe Davis has performed so poorly.
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
Heh...
Are you saying that eventually an alien is going to pop out of his chest?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Agree
And I still feel like Davis can be a useful part of the staff. Plus, the pericardium issue was just plain bad luck.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Seems like...
the Brewers who have regressed this season have simply fallen off the cliff.
Maybe it’s offsetting the fact that McGehee hasn’t regressed at all.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
"30% of voters think the Brewers should have designated David Riske for assignment instead of activating him this week."
Really? I’m disappointed. I thought people here were smarter than that. Or are those the 30% that have totally started planning for 2012?
Shruggity.
by Mykenk on Jun 9, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
In reality
I really hope he finally gets healthy and puts together a string of old Riske pitching. That way we can ship him off at the deadline for some random minor leaguer or something that probably won’t be good for anything. At least that way we could say we got something out of him, even if it is just minor league filler.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Why ship him off for filler?
We’ve got plenty of filler. Trading riske would be stupid, unless there was something of value to be had for him. He (should be) better than most guys in our pen now.
Shruggity.
by Mykenk on Jun 9, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mostly because
I figure we will be out of the P-offs by this point so why not take a flier on a guy that will most likely be filler, but may still have a shot at putting it together and having an impact. Someone is always looking for BP help at the deadline, so why not try to capitalize.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
If that's your thinking
they should DFA him, because no one’s gonna trade for him. And they shouldn’t DFA him, our bullpen needs all the help it can get.
Shruggity.
Why would no one trade for him?
Recall that my original comment was conditional on him putting together outings resembling pre-injury Riske. Granted it’s a big if and I’m dealing with a hypothetical here, but I think you could find someone in need of help that would at least through a bag of balls our way. Maybe I’m just blinded by Melvin, and there aren’t similar GM’s out there that would take a small risk on somone like Riske come July.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Right, but
if he pitches like pre-injury Riske, we should probably try to get more than organizational filler for him, not just some useless guy who’s never gonna do anything. We’ve got plenty of those.
Shruggity.
I agree we should want to get more
And maybe organizational filler wasn’t the right description to use. It mostly comes down to if we are out of the playoffs his value to us is pretty much nil, and we should get as much as we can for him (along with any of the pending FAs after the season). When I referred to organizational filler I’m thinking more along the lines of at least the type of guy who has fallen out of favor of his team and maybe viewed as mostly filler to them, but that still has some upside that would potentially allow them to make a future impact.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
If we could pull something like that off
I would be a very happy Brewer fan.
Although if we already have our Mat Gamel, what are we going to do with another one? Are 2 Gamels = 1 LaPorta?
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
At this point...
I’d say 1 Gamel = 1 LaPorta.
The Indians just sent him back down to the minors.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Too bad for him
Although it makes the CC trade look even better (if that was possible).
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to figure that won't happen
What would you give up for two months of a reliever who at that point will have had one month healthy since 2008? I think if you got anything, it would be a guy who might be useful one day, but probably not. In other words, half of what the Pirates got for Salomon Torres.
Failure is just success rounded down.
This was my initial impression
But to me that is more valuable than what Riske would mean to the team.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Besides, if Riske puts together four decent but unspectacular months...
perhaps he’ll be inclined to sign a one-year contract extension with high incentives and low-ish guaranteed salary to try to rebuild his value completely. That might not be the worst thing for this pitching stuff for next year.
It will be interesting to see how he does
It would be nice for everyone if he made his contract more palatable by pitching well to finish the year.
Failure is just success rounded down.
Not sure why people are jumping on Dave Bush.
Unless they’re figuring he won’t be back next year (which I agree), so lets see what the other guys can do for us in the future. Other then the start in Minnesota, Bush has been solid as a starter, and I’d say he’s definitely one of the Brewers best five options.
In my opinion, Narveson should be the one leaving the rotation.
This
I like Narv-dog and am rooting for him. He just seems to be the perfect long-reliever (He’s got the stuff to get through a line-up once or twice but beyond that is a struggle).
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
doesn't he usually give up about 3 runs in his first IP?
so he’s better the longer he’s in.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 9, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I worry Bush might be done
He has gotten shelled a couple times. HIs fastball averaged right around 89 mph until it dipped to 88 last year and this year he is all the way down to 86 mph. He is down to 4.8 k/9 this year and is walking a ton of guys.
Not sure how much of this was because of the injury last year, but I’m not overly optimistic about him having better results this year because it appears his stuff isn’t there.
Get a ife broseph
Lost velocity...
Seems like a common thread with most of the pitching staff this year… I wonder how much of that is a coincidence or a problem with Peterson’s coaching.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
yep...i wonder
if he’s doing some things that he thinks will improve their longevity and lessen their injury risk at the expense of victories this season.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 9, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Just about 1/3 of the way through a season
I’m not sure its possible to draw ANY hard conclusions about Rick Peterson. I’m OK with condemning Macha and Melvin because they’ve been doing their respective things for a while. Peterson, however, hasn’t been on the job nearly long enough, in my opinion, to be culpable for the pitching staff’s performance this season.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 9, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Solid starter...
He’s had more than just the poor outing in MN… he also got shelled by the Cubs back in April.
Bush’s real problem is the one bad inning he seems to give up every outing. With Loe and Estrada having a shot in the rotation next season, I’m not sure if there’s room left for Bush. I still think he could be a decent #4 or #5 guy in the rotation, but the other guys have more upside potential.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I was at that Cubs Game...
For my birthday.
On the bright side, I got to see a drunk Cubs fan fall over over 2 rows of seats- without spilling his beer. Part of me was impressed.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jun 9, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You shouldn't be
He probably has had lots of practice falling over seats with beer in his hand.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Is it really "bad news" for Riske?
70% still thought that he should be added to the roster.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I was interpreting those numbers the same way
70% were willing to make a roster hole for him, even though he hasn’t showed us anything in the last year+.
If by year+ you're meaning since he was signed
then I concur.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 9, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Well he pitched 42.3 innings in 2008
He had a FIP of 5.54 and a tRA of 7.84 that year. Then one inning in 2009.
So…yeah.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jun 9, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
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