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by Kyle Lobner on Jul 15, 2010 9:08 AM CDT
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PrintSome things to read while witnessing the downfall of Clark.
If a tumbleweed had rolled through the Miller Park front offices yesterday, it'd be today's top story. So what do you do on the slowest news day of the baseball season? Clearly, you write first half recaps and second-half previews:
- Adam McCalvy says the Brewers haven't given up.
- Jordan Schelling has his first half Brewer awards.
- Tom Haudricourt talked to Doug Melvin about how things could turn around.
- Anthony Witrado says the expectations for this team were too high.
- Scott Miller of CBS Sports gave the Brewers a C overall, with an A for offense and a D for pitching.
By the way, if you're on the "It's not over yet!" bandwagon, Howie Magner of Milwaukee Magazine has a bucket of cold water for you, noting that no team in the Wild Card era has ever come from five or more games under .500 at the All Star break to make the playoffs.
Meanwhile, Troy A. Sparks of the Milwaukee Community Journal is the latest addition to the "Fire Ken Macha" bandwagon.
Another day, another roundup of Brewer trade notes:
- Tom Oates of Madison.com thinks the Brewers should trade Prince Fielder, but work on extending Rickie Weeks and Corey Hart.
- MLB Depth Charts cautions against buying high on Hart.
Hart, for whatever it's worth, is sixth in all of baseball in J.C. Bradbury's PrOPS stat. Follow that link for a full list and an explanation of what it means.
In the minors:
- On the field the affiliates went 1-2 yesterday. Cody Scarpetta pitched five scoreless innings for Brevard County, and now has pitched three consecutive outings without allowing a run. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- Bernie's Crew has their midseason minor league awards, with three Wisconsin Timber Rattlers (Khris Davis, Jake Odorizzi and Scooter Gennett) sweeping the main honors.
- Speaking of Odorizzi, he's one of three players profiled in Call to the Pen's This Week in Prospects.
- The Nashville Sounds have a profile of reliever Brandon Kintzler.
You might recall a note from Tuesday's Mug, where I mentioned a Harris poll showing the Brewers as baseball's 11th most popular team. Bob Wolfley of the Journal Sentinel noticed the same poll yesterday, but added this tidbit to make up for being a day late:
In 2009, when the same poll was conducted, the Brewers finished 14th, so they have moved up three spots.
Thanks for doing the math for us, Bob.
Thanks to our friends at Plunk Everyone for helping us fill baseball's slowest day yesterday. In fact, thanks to everyone that's written or stopped by during baseball's slowest news week of the season. With play resuming tonight, things should pick up again tomorrow.
If you're drifting in late this morning, you might have missed this: Fatter than Joey has the nomination post for Robin Yount, the first of our ten nominees for the SBN Wisconsin Hall of Fame. Go check it out.
Around baseball:
Blue Jays: Acquired shortstop Yunel Escobar and pitcher Jo-Jo Reyes from the Braves for shortstop Alex Gonzalez and two minor leaguers, and designated pitcher Ronald Uviedo for assignment.
Dodgers: Have reportedly placed pitcher George Sherrill on outright waivers.
Padres: Claimed outfielder Quintin Berry off waivers from the Phillies.
White Sox: Signed outfielder Jeremy Reed to a minor league deal. (h/t HotStove.com)
About once a week I read something at Lookout Landing and think, "Wow, I wish I'd thought of that." Their first half recap, Mariners As Things In Or Near My Apartment, is a perfect example of the kind of genius idea I wish I'd had first.
If you skipped the All Star Game Tuesday night, it appears you weren't the only one: The game drew a record-low 7.5 Nielsen rating, down from 8.9 last season. The previous record was 8.1, set in 2005.
Brandon Kintzler, mentioned above, is just one of several Brewers who have spent time pitching in an independent league at one point during their career. Ben Nicholson-Smith of MLB Trade Rumors has a great look at how leagues like the Golden League operate, and the role they play in getting players back onto teams' radar.
Looking for a sabermetric read today? I'd recommend this Amazin' Avenue post arguing that we need to stop using BABIP.
On this day in 2005, the Brewers beat the Nationals 4-3 when Mike Stanton balked home the winning run in the ninth inning, driving in Chris Magruder.
Happy birthday today to:
- Huntsville Star Lee Haydel, who turns 23.
- Wisconsin Timber Rattler Andy Sauter, who turns 24.
- 2001-02 Brewer Nick Neugebauer, who turns 30.
- 1901 Milwaukee Brewer Pete Dowling, who would have turned 134.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to clear the table.
Drink up.
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i'm confused!
i thought this was the downfall of clark.
by Capt Science on Jul 15, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought the downfall of Clark
was when he signed with the Orioles.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
oooooooh, THAT clark
in that case, i respectfully disagree. “this”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GQSwMCHJNU would be his downfall (or the first moment after).
warning: language
by Capt Science on Jul 15, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Axford
During Axford’s last appearance, I noticed that he seems to have gone away from the Fingers stache and moved towards a Vuck stache.
What’s next… Frank Zappa?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
He's kind of there already
if you’re thinking of the fu with the soul patch. Think Mothers of Invention days, but with maybe a bit less patch.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
that would be great
Think of all the lines from Joe Garage we could drop during the tread.
“Catholic Girls in their pretty white dresses” lol now how I would work that line in would be a real test lol
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
All-Star Game
Anyone see either Hart or Braun in the dugout during the last couple innings of the game? The camera panned the players leaning against the railing for both teams multiple times, but I never saw either of them.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
back at Braun's palatial estate for their after party
City Mouse introducing the Country Mouse to his City ;)
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Criticism of Corey Hart
“My biggest concern for a team acquiring Hart, especially a team from the NL West (I’m talking about you, Padres and Giants), is that 15 of his 21 HR’s have come at Miller Park (12), Great American Ballpark (2), or Coors Field (1), some of the more homer-friendly stadiums in the big leagues. There is no doubt that his home run numbers would take a huge hit playing half of his games at either Petco or AT&T Park.”
So he’s hit about half of his HR at home (12/21) and half on the road. Penalizing him for having hit a couple HR in hitter-friendly parks on the road seems kind of unfair, doesn’t it? Also, I wish people would stop acting like Miller Park is Coors Field or Yankee Stadium. Just because the Brewers have seemingly build HR-happy teams for the last 40 years doesn’t mean our stadium is actually a bandbox.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jul 15, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
isn't Miller Park actually HR neutral?
I thought it was right in the middle of the league for HR’s
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
by WSB Chris on Jul 15, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
This drives me insane. People of earth: Miller Park is not a hitter-friendly stadium. I have spoken. You are henceforth accountable for getting this fact wrong.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 15, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Thank you
I’m so sick of hearing people say that. It’s pretty refreshing to hear three different people being right about this.
by dickie_thon on Jul 15, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could you post a link to those stats on the mlb depth charts blog?
No one will ever learn if all we do is complain about it here, where everyone already knows.
you can also pull data to analyze the distance instead of saying it's stadium-specific
that’s what hittracker is for.
btw, corey’s average distance is 395, which is below the pujolses/ fielders/ dunns of the world, but actually just above adrian gonzalez. so there.
he’s only had one “lucky” homerun (in miami). i assume an acquiring team would look at this data, map it to their stadium and say it works or it doesn’t. (you can easily adjust for differences in fence height, etc…)
by Capt Science on Jul 15, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
hopefully we trade with one of those
although i think corey’s data would stand up to scrutiny (though his scouting report may not).
by Capt Science on Jul 15, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Help.
This is from Tony’s article today:
Another recent trend is shoddy defense, which led to three consecutive losses through 12 unearned runs and probably Gallardo’s injury since he strained the oblique pitching in an inning he should have long been out of.
Does he actually believe this?
SRS BSNS
eh
I believe he wouldn’t have strained it if Escobar hadn’t committed those errors. Or if he had woken up 2.5 seconds earlier.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 15, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
not necessarily.
There’s a difference between pitching 1 inning of 40 pitches, and 2 innings of 20 pitches.
You’re more likley to get a hernia if you try to carry 5 100 lb rocks up a hill at once, rather than making 5 trips with 1 each.
Getting punched once by Floyd Mayweather Jr. will hurt a lot more than getting punched repeatedly for an hour by me.
I’m not saying he wouldn’t have gotten hurt if the inning was over earlier, but we don’t know that he would have gotten hurt later in the game.
I would have been OK with him referring to the error as an indirect cause of the injury.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Don't pitchers usually prefer to pitch continuously rather than stopping and starting?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
You watch too many Brewers games
I don’t think pitchers like throwing 20+ pitches in an inning.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Only because it means they're doing poorly
In terms of injury-risk, it seems like it would be better to just keep going once the muscles are warmed up.
(Disclaimer: I know very little about human physiology)
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I was kidding in my response, but...
I think you are correct… but only to a certain extent.
You also have to take into consideration fatigue.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Remove the stone of shame!
Attach the stone of triumph!
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
by Yar Nivek on Jul 15, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Slippery Slope
Every error or ball that isn’t gotten to, missed calls and a lots of other things can extend innings and you can always go back and blame that if you want — an error in the 1st inning drove up the pitch count which led to his injury in the 6th inning…etc.
There are tons of indirect causes for injuries and it doesn’t work to single one out.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jul 15, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except
This injury happened in the same inning the error happened.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
You don't believe that do you?
Injury isn’t a statistical probability. It is the result of doing something mechanically that your body isn’t prepared to handle.
i believe it's a combination of factors.
assuming the probability was high with him throwing that exact pitch that he got injured, then yes, the probability would be within shouting distance of high at another point in the game. but there’s some element of chaos at play.
With as tight of muscles as I sometimes have playing softball, I could pull my quad or my hamstring. but most days, it doesn’t happen;) And the time that it did (several years ago), if I had just rounded first base a little less aggressively, I doubt I would have pulled a muscle at all in that game. Still I WAS prone to the injury based on the a) extreme leg pressing I had done the day before and b) my lack of stretching/flexibility
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 15, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh lord
He probably does.
Haudricourt is still using the “take out the games where they scored a lot of runs and the offense isn’t as good” theory.
While the offense ranks statistically among the top clubs in the NL, those numbers are skewed by a handful of high-scoring games.
Get a ife broseph
And, like a bad cold, he's passed it along to Tony:
The offense is hitting a measly .248 with runners in scoring position (13th in the league), and they have scored 111 runs in seven double-digit outputs for an incredible average of nearly 16 runs per contest. In all other games they are averaging 3.7 runs.
Take out D-Day, and America’s performance in WWII was nothing to write home about.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on Jul 15, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Also
They are averaging 0 runs in the 8 games in which they got shut out and 5.1 runs in all other games.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jul 15, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
my god!
averaging a bunch of double digit numbers gives you a double digit number? my god!
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 15, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Can somebody find out how many games they've scored more than 4 runs, and how many games they've scored less than 4 runs?
And, I suppose, how many games they’ve scored exactly 4 runs.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Here you go:
More than 4 runs: 38 games
Less than 4 runs: 37 games
Four runs on the nose: 14 games
SRS BSNS
Awesome, thanks!
So, does that mean they’ve been slightly underperforming? 13 more games with 4 or fewers runs than games wtih more than 4
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Like ecocd said below,
I was going for the idea that since mlb average is about 4 and a half runs a game, the team is slightly underperforming by having 13 more games with 4 runs or fewer.
I think that would be a more logical way ‘remove’ the blowouts, than the way Tom and AW try to do it.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
ofc, the "league average"
includes the blow out wins, as well, so there doesn’t really seem to one a single good median measure for a team’s performance.
but this way, we aren't actually throwing those blowouts out
We’re just looking at the data in a way that those games don’t get extra weight than other games.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Ah, right
My head was in a different place. Wouldn’t the more appropriate comparison then be the % of games (excl. Brewers) in which the league scores o/u 4 runs?
Hmmmm, I think I'm losing the forest for the trees
The point was to get a single measure for the relative performance of the Brewers’ hitters that’s resistant to outliers when they score well above their “normal” performance level.
As much as I’m not a fan of the term “quality start” it seems like it would be a good idea to come up with an equivalent for a team’s offense, which is really what you were trying to get at.
I would be interested in a way to compare the number of “quality offense” performances of the Brewers compared to the rest of the league so I would be interested in comparing the Brewers O/U 4 runs scored vs. the league average offense O/U 4 runs scored.
yes there is
the median…not the mean or the mode
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 15, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
"Quality starts" are 4.50 ERA
so common wisdom is that scoring 5 or more runs “should” be a win. By that gross measure, the offense is indeed underperforming their record a little.
He almost has a point
If you throw out everything above say one standard deviation, you have to throw out everything below one standard deviation. <- this is where he got it wrong.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 15, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Except that it's true.
You can’t really tell how good a team is when it’s playing the Pirates. That’s like saying you expect the Badgers to perform well in a bowl game after beating Eastern Michigan by three touchdowns.
Conversely
can you tell how bad a team is when it’s playing the best team in the league? Or can you really only measure performance against those who are close to you?
What are the brewers stats when throwing out all games against the top 3 teams in the NL and the bottom 3 teams in the NL? Is that even relevant? I don’t think so, and neither are Tom H’s non-pirates splits.
Shruggity.
So to tell how good a team is on offense, you should throw out their high scoring games?
The other “handful” of high scoring games that are skewing the offensive stats happened against the Angels, Dodgers (twice), D-Backs and Cardinals.
You’re also comparing the Brewers offense against the rest of the NL, which last time I checked gets to play bad teams too.
Get a ife broseph
You could even argue....
Brewers offense is at a disadvantage statistically because they don’t get to face the Brewers pitching staff like the rest of the league does.
Get a ife broseph
I think you can expand on that even further...
I don’t think you can gauge any team by how they do against one opponent.
The Pirates took 3 of 4 from the Phillies at the beginning of the month.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Sorry, didn't finish my thought...
But you cannot simply ignore sets of data (games against the Pirates) if you’re analyzing a larger set of data (performance this season).
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Well, games aren't data
Nothing anyone does against Pittsburgh is going to tell us how we’re going to do when we face dangerous hitters and capable pitchers.
His argument, if I could paraphrase
Is that our total offensive performance looks better than it actually is because of the offensive outburst in a few select games. Those optimists who want to say “if you throw out the good, you’ve got to throw out the bad” should admit that the amount of bad games out there far outweighs the good ones.
We’ve scored 19% of our runs in 6% of our games.
We’ve also scored only 2% of our runs in 18% of our games.
Sometimes we bust out and score a week’s worth of runs, the rest of the time we can’t put it together and we leave 20 men on base.
How does that compare with the rest of the league?
Everyone’s offense looks better because of games where they score a lot of runs.
Get a ife broseph
Omitting stats...
If you’re going to omit games where the Brewers had blowouts, why shouldn’t you also omit an equal number of games where the Brewers were shutout?
Again, omitting the best games will make any team look worse.
Or as ecocd suggested above… if you’re going to omit blowouts and compare the Brewers to the rest of the league, then you really should do the same for all the teams.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
We don't need to compare against the rest of the league
The only teams we need to beat are the Cardinals and Reds.
Team – Top 5 games – Bottom 16 games – All games
Brewers – 78 runs – 8 runs – 418 runs
Reds – 67 runs – 8 runs – 437 runs
Cardinals – 53 runs – 9 runs – 391 runs
May not seem like a lot, but the Brewers scored an extra 5% more of our total yearly runs in those 5 games than the Cards did; and throwing out the bottom end makes very little difference.
To me this shows
that the Brewers and the Reds both have offenses which can potentially score more runs than the Cards. The Cardinals offense isn’t very good so I would expect fewer runs in the top 5 games.
My friends who are Cards fans (yeah, not proud of it)
Constantly rip on their offense outside of Pujols. I’ll have to explain to them that their run totals aren’t skewed by a few high scoring games to make them feel better.
Get a ife broseph
Right.
I guess we’ll have to throw out all of Hank Aaron’s multiple homerun games to find what kind of power hitter he really was.
Hmmm...
Looks like the Reds offensive numbers are really skewed by a handful of high scoring games.
Get a ife broseph
Comparison
Why did you choose the Top 5 games and Bottom 16 games? Is there a reason why you aren’t look at the same number of games?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
He is such a bad writer
Based on the title and this sentence in the intro:
…the Brewers again were saddled with lofty expectations that close examinations of the roster didn’t support.you think the article would elaborate on those ‘examinations.’ Instead, he essentially uses the space to argue that the team has been under-performing. I also like how, in the section titled IRON GLOVES, he discusses Gomez’s bat.
I'd like to have him cite the pre-season article he wrote about Wolf and Davis' utter failure
Anyone that could predict Wolf’s hideous first half (comparatively) and Davis’ heart ailment should really be running a baseball team. I’m glad that his close examinations of the roster included that kind of information. Maybe he could’ve let us know and Doug Melvin, too. It would’ve saved everyone a lot of time.
I've been searching all morning for the article he wrote predicting this:
Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder have contributed to the inconsistency.
Predict
If anyone could’ve predicted any of that… they should not only be running a baseball team, but also opening up a 1-900 phone line to offer fortunes.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
It wouldn't surprise me.
AW writing is pretty shoddy… his sources might be as well.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
And ...
This is assuming that he is telling the truth that he hurt the oblique on that one pitch. I wonder if he actually felt the injury a bit earlier in the inning and pitched through it.
Based on my understanding of physiology
I highly doubt the muscle just suddenly became injured. The muscle was most likely slowly strained over time until it reached a point when that strain resulted in the muscle no longer being able to withstand the forces being applied upon it, resulting in the injury.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 15, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
That Amazing Avenue link was a good read
I think there are a lot of sabremetrics that would benefit from confidence intervals or S.D.s
I tend to agrees with Oates
I’m not sure how much I like the idea of trading Weeks or Hart.
It looks like Fielder is as good as gone, and I can accept that. Whether its this month, or the off season, he will likely be traded and I’m expecting a #2 starter for him.
The question is whether the Brewers can make a run in 2011. If the Brewers kept there offense intact (minus Fielder and adding Lawrie or Gamel) they would still have a good offense. The pitching staff would be helped by trading for a front of the rotation arm, and maybe they have a shot.
If you don’t think that 2011 is possible, then you trade Hart and Weeks for prospects and aim for 2012. I just don’t think you can trade those guys and have expectations for 2011, because there are no decent replacements for them and I’m not convinced either of them can bring back a sure-thing pitching-wise.
To be fair
There’s no decent replacement for Fielder either. Lawrie and Gamel are far from sure things in the big leagues.
If you’re considering them to be decent replacements for Fielder, than whichever isn’t replacing Fielder could replace Hart. I’d agree that there’s no replacement for Weeks in the near future.
Shruggity.
But if you can improve your pitching
you might be able to swallow the loss of “The Fat Man”
It is not like he is carrying the team this season.
I have to look at the FA list for 2011 but could you find a care taker 1st basemen to hold the spot till Gamel is ready?
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
If Gamel's not going to be ready in 2011
he’s never going to be ready.
Other than that, I agree with you.
Shruggity.
Here is the list for FA for 2011
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/09/2011-mlb-free-agents.html hat tip to MLB Trade Rumors.
And Branyan is one of many options on that list
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Dunn is a pretty awesome hitter
The defense and possible contract on the other hand…
Get a ife broseph
Right.
His defense is probably worse at 1B than Fielder’s… and he’s currently getting $12M this season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
No need to qualify that with "probably"
Dunn’s career UZR/150 at 1B is somehow -17.3… at 1B… I’m not even sure how that’s possible.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Are we going to have the Ks vs. OBP discussion again?
Dunn’s 2010 OBP = .372
Dunn’s career OBP = .383
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
95% of position players in the Breweres minor league system profile as a 1B
Not really, but it seems that way.
Get a ife broseph
If we don't sign anyone to play 1B and Fielder is traded... then what?
BTW – even if you promote someone from the minors, you still have to sign them.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
he meant sign a new one
everyone plays under contract.
but one argument is to spend any “fielder savings” on a useful arm (if available) or bank it. then shift mcgehee and his range to first and play gamel at third. if you’re scared of gamel’s arm, put him at first.
by Capt Science on Jul 15, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine
Technically, you’re right. But all out 1B options are under our control, so we’re not really signing anyone.
Shruggity.
I'll take being technically right :)
Anyway, I agree about not going after Dunn. Any contract negotiations will likely start at $10M/yr.
They need to decide what to do with Gamel. If they still think he can play at the MLB level, they need to bring him up. He’s not getting any younger.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Agreed.
They need to trade Fielder ASAP. No excuse for having him around 2 weeks from today.
Shruggity.
You should take him up on it.
We know what happened last time Rubie made a Brewers bet.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
You don't buy the argument that they could get more in the offseason?
I’m not sold on the idea, but it has some theoretical merit.
I'm not sure.
It’s basically:
Fielder now for X + 1/2 season of ____ seasoning at 1B
Fielder in the offseason for Y + 0 seasoning for _ at 1B.
Is the difference between Y and X great enough to offset the benefit that Gamel or Lawrie would get by having a half season on big league ball to get accustomed to 1B? I’m not sure the marginal benefit of dealing him in the offseason is enough to justify going with a 100% raw 1B next season.
Shruggity.
Well they could move Gamel to 1B
So he can get better in AAA right now, but that would be too easy.
Get a ife broseph
That's the beauty of a good farm system
There’s a new crop every year.
by nullacct on Jul 15, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think so too.
He’s the best prospect, if the Brewers did not think he could stick at 2B they would make the room for him to play somewhere else.
Fielder
Definitely no replacement for Fielder, but with him, they don’t really have a choice. You just have to plug in the best available guy. But the offense can still be a top 5 NL offense without him I think. If you trade Hart and Weeks too, its an average offense at best.
Really boils down to whether they think they have a shot in 2011, IMO.
what about JeD at first base
would keep the wear and tear off his body less running but he can play every day
Might have your caretaker right in house
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
I’m not saying don’t give Lawrie or Gamel a shot (hell, either of them would way outperform Edmonds at first), I’m just saying don’t be of the belief that they can just step in and succeed at the position. It’s going to take some time, which is why I’m all for trading Fielder now, and letting them get accustomed to the position for the rest of the year, and hope to be around average by next season.
Shruggity.
No thanks.
JeD has already had a couple injuries this season not directly related to playing in the OF… I don’t think that gets any better as he gets older and more playing time.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
i know its already been done now..
but i wouldnt mind if someone threw together one of those pic/player similarities that was done by lookout landing. now that was entertainment
Ok so I am too lazy/uneducated to write a fanpost on this
But I am going to a Twins game tonight with my boss. (free tickets to a beautiful ballpark on a beautiful day? Yes please) so I was checking out some twins things to brush up to make the game a little more interesting and I discovered they are looking for an upgrade at third base.
So, would it be out of the question to make a trade involving Gamel and one of their pitchers? No one high level super prospect or anything but from what I read they are somewhat pitching stocked
Would it even be an upgrade for them (offsetting the terribleness of Punto with a bat with questionable D from Gamel)?
It would be a hell of a gamble for a team going for their division and definitely not your typical trade deadline ‘proven veteran’ from a team trying to shed salary but I feel like if any team were to be so bold it would be the twins.
Last time Doug tried to get a pitcher from the Twins
He ended up with Carlos Gomez.
So to answer your question – maybe?
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jul 15, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Seems very unlikely
Not only is Gamel’s trade value probably not very high right now, but I don’t think any contender would gamble on an unproven prospect like that as they’re making a playoff run.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Right
I would say that they would more likely to move Cuddyer to 3B and put Kubel in RF than take a risk on Gamel for a playoff run this season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
The Twins need to trade their manager
Valencia would be adequate, but Gardy insists on using Punto and Cuddyer all the time. They’d trade for a guy and he’d never get used, so what’s the point?
Yeah, I think Valencia is just as capable as Gamel right now.
Morineko is right … I think they just need to play Valencia and not mess with putting Cuddyer at 3B. Also, the Twins are known to hold onto their young pitchers and not make much of a splash at the trade deadline.
Beautiful evening here in the Twin Cities … You should have a great time! The park is great, and the Twins/Sox rivalry can get pretty intense.
My attempt at the Lookout Landing effort in only one picture
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That is my apartment.
Me and the dead hoovers.
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Cincinnati
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Houston
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0 | 0 | .000 | 0 | Lost 0 |
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Milwaukee
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0 | 0 | .000 | 0 | Lost 0 |
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Pittsburgh
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0 | 0 | .000 | 0 | Lost 0 |
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