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by Kyle Lobner on Jul 23, 2010 10:09 AM CDT
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Exhale, everyone: Yovani Gallardo made his first start back from the DL and showed no signs of lingering injury issues while leading the Brewers to a 3-2 win over the Pirates last night. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker noted that Gallardo's average fastball velocity was actually higher than his season average. Hang with 'em Brewers! compared watching last night's performance to finding your favorite cashier at the grocery store.
Like many of the Brewers, Gallardo has been very good against the Pirates this season. Counting six innings last night, he's now thrown seventeen scoreless frames against Pittsburgh in 2010.
Corey Hart got the night off last night for the first time since May 10, sparking a wildfire of trade speculation. It turns out, though, that Hart just needed a rest. Joe Inglett started in his place and went 0-for-4.
Zach Braddock was unavailable to pitch out of the bullpen last night, but both he and Ken Macha are keeping the reason a secret, saying he needs "a couple of days" rest. Braddock hasn't pitched since Monday, when Macha noticed that his fastball velocity was a few mph off.
With Braddock out Chris Capuano was the only lefty available in the bullpen last night. He retired the two batters he faced to pick up just the second hold of his major league career, and the first since September 16, 2003.
John Axford followed Capuano to the mound and recorded the game's final five outs for his fourth multi-inning save of the season. Jack Moore wants the multi-inning saves to continue.
Other notes from the field:
- Rickie Weeks was hit by a pitch last night, his major league-leading 18th plunking. It was the tenth time a Pirate pitcher has hit a Brewer this season, which is the most HBP from one team to another in baseball. Plunk Everyone has more.
- Both benches were warned after Todd Coffey threw a pitch behind Jose Tabata in the seventh inning.
- Yovani Gallardo, Rickie Weeks and John Axford are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Here are the MLB.com video highlights.
As expected, the Brewers made room for Gallardo on the roster by sending Lorenzo Cain back to AAA (FanShot). When asked about the decision, Ken Macha told reporters that Cain (who has just 41 ABs in AAA) needs more time in the minors, and "to expose him to Major League pitching every day at this particular point in his career would probably do a disservice to him and our organization."
Battlekow alluded to this on Twitter, but Carlos Gomez didn't spend much time in AAA either: He played just 37 games (157 plate appearances) there in 2007 before being called up by the Mets. I still think the Brewers made the wrong decision here but if sending Cain back to AAA will prevent him from turning out like Carlos Gomez, I'm all for it.
Wisconsin Sports Tap has one of the more interesting blame shifts I've seen in a while, making the case that when you're frustrated with Carlos Gomez, you should blame J.J. Hardy.
The Brewers return to Miller Park tonight to host the Nationals, a day after serious thunderstorms dealt a blow to the city. You may recall that the lower levels of Miller Park flooded at one point last season, but apparently measures taken in response were successful as no major issues have been reported following last night's rainfall.
Bob Uecker will be back on the air tonight and Michael Hunt of the Journal Sentinel has a look at what he's meant to this team and city. I typically skip over Hunt's columns, but I read this one beginning to end and you should too.
The Nationals come into town with a bit of disarray in their starting rotation. Luis Atilano was scheduled to start Sunday's series finale, but he was placed on the DL yesterday with bone chips in his elbow. Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post says Matt Chico is likely to start in his place.
Randy Wolf continues to be one of the major leagues' worst starting pitchers this season, but at least the Brewers appear to have isolated one of the sources of trouble: Adam McCalvy notes that Wolf is having trouble retiring lefties: He's held left handed batters to a .229/.298/.395 line over his career, but is allowing them to hit .299/.352/.573 this season.
On trade notes:
- Buster Olney suggested yesterday that Corey Hart might be a good fit for the Red Sox. It doesn't appear to be anything more than speculation at this point.
- Brewers Daily has a look at three teams with potential interest in Hart: the Giants, Braves and Padres.
- The Ghost of Moonlight Graham suggests that the Giants, Braves, Padres, Rays and White Sox could be interested in Hart.
- Jon Heyman reports that the White Sox see Prince Fielder as a first choice, but have also discussed Adam Dunn, Adam LaRoche and Lance Berkman as possible alternatives.
- Doug Padilla of ESPN Chicago notes that the White Sox likely wouldn't hang on to current 1B/DH Paul Konerko if they acquire Fielder.
In the minors:
- The affiliates went 2-3 last night. In Nashville, LaTroy Hawkins pitched a scoreless inning in relief, allowing one hit. He's allowed just one run on five hits over six innings in four rehab appearances. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- Last night's most painful loss came in Jacksonville, where Eduardo Morlan walked in the winning run as Huntsville lost 6-5 in 12 innings.
- One of the Brewers' top young pitching prospects is moving up: Wily Peralta has been promoted to Huntsville after posting a 3.86 ERA in 19 appearances for Brevard County.
- Wrong Week took a road trip to Fifth Third Park in West Michigan earlier this week, and has some video of Maverick Lasker pitching for Wisconsin and a nice review of the facility.
We may be starting to see the implications of a disappointing season on the field: After drawing over three million fans to Miller Park each of the last two seasons, the Brewers are publicly acknowledging the fact that they might not reach that mark this season. They've already sold over 2.5 million tickets, but walkup sales will likely slow as the team continues to linger below .500 and out of the playoff race.
We'll see if a drop in ticket sales changes matters, but for now Jon Heyman says Ken Macha's job is safe for the rest of the season.
Today in SBN Wisconsin Hall of Fame nominations, we have Cecil Cooper, Warren Spahn, LeRoy Butler (Acme Packing Company) and Dwyane Wade (Anonymous Eagle). I couldn't be more thrilled with how this project is turning out: If you've fallen behind, take a moment to go back and catch up.
Around baseball:
Angels: Acquired third baseman Alberto Callaspo from the Royals for pitchers Sean O'Sullivan and Will Smith.
Mets: Designated pitcher Fernando Nieve for assignment.
Phillies: Signed outfielder Timo Perez to a minor league deal.
Pirates: Placed catcher Ryan Doumit on the DL with a concussion.
Orioles: Released outfielder Joey Gathright.
Red Sox: Acquired infielder Jack Hannahan from the Mariners for a PTBNL or cash.
Reds: Signed reliever Jason Isringhausen to a minor league deal.
Earlier this week I mentioned that Jamie Moyer was headed to the DL with an elbow strain: an MRI revealed a sprain in his ulnar collateral ligament and a strain of the pronator tendon, which could end Moyer's career.
For more analysis of what this means in the grand scheme you'll have to look elsewhere, but I felt compelled to at least mention it: Major League Baseball has announced its intentions to begin blood testing of minor leaguers for signs of Human Growth Hormone.
Given the circumstances (an exciting development that usually involves a last-minute cross-country flight), I'm surprised stories like this don't happen more often: New Marlins catcher Brad Davis was forced to borrow equipment to wear in his major league debut because he grabbed the wrong equipment bag on his way out the door in New Orleans.
Somewhere in San Diego, there's probably a Padres front office staffer banging their head on their desk: Closer Heath Bell apparently doesn't understand how contract incentives work, and is upset over not getting a bonus for appearing in the All Star Game.
Today's story of the day comes via Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star, who used Twitter to recount a Christmas in July gone horribly wrong.
On this day in 2002, the Brewers traded Tyler Houston to the Dodgers for pitchers Ben Diggins and Shane Nance.
Happy birthday today to:
- 1987-91 Brewer Chuck Crim, who turns 49.
- Rochester, WI native Ginger Beaumont, who would have turned 134. Beaumont spent 12 seasons in the major leagues between 1899 and 1910 with the Pirates, Boston Doves (later to become the Braves) and Cubs.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a letter to write.
Drink up.
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Wasn't there a football player...
who got cut by the Lions a few years ago, and, uh, “grabbed the wrong equipment bags” on his way out of the facility? I’m guessing this Marlins catcher didn’t grab the bags of his replacement with thousands of dollars of jewelry in it, though…
Tatum Bell...
…grabbed two wrong bags after being cut. Those bags belonged to his replacement, Rudi Johnson.
by Digger Simoens on Jul 23, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Heyman? Really?
He’s usually pretty good about making up sources for his made up rumors.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Different Heyman tweet
I like that he lists 3 guys in order of preference as the White Sox’s 2nd choices behind Fielder.
No wonder the guy hates numbers.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Hey is everyone going to participate in the Brewers New Promotion at tonight game?
I hear they are having a “Bring your Boat to the Ball Park” Night ;)
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
The Astros should've done that
My favorite part is the players eating to pass the time.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I wonder if the Astrodome had any doors that looked like this that day
http://www.jsonline.com/multimedia/photos/99067844.html?index=84
The weather sealing on that door is out of this world
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Doing my bachelor party Saturday night at the stadium
If you see a group of white guys wearing Brewer gear, stop by and say hi.
Get a ife broseph
Heath Bell
Someone should tell him being named to the squad as a replacement traditionally means paying $50,000 for the privilege. He might even fall for it.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
It's at least a little understandable
You don’t have to specify post-season pay in your contract. I spent a good hard 10 seconds googling the NFL, but couldn’t find definitive evidence of how their pro-bowl works. What about the NBA? The other leagues may have flat reward fees for them.
Frankly, I’m surprised by how few players have All-Star bonuses. Only Gallardo had one, right? Is it because Hart went to arbitration instead of signing a contract?
I would guess Hart going through arbitration is why
I don’t know how the other leagues work, but in baseball All Star bonuses are incentives put into contracts. If Bell wanted to get an All Star bonus, he should have had his agent make sure one was in his contract.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I understand how the MLB works
I thought I heard the NFL and NBA players get appearance fees automatically. Contracts can also have incentives built in for Pro Bowl selection, but I think there’s a flat fee the players get in addition to accommodations for family and per diem.
Ginger Beaumont
He was also the first batter in the first World Series.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Cain
I’ll be glad he’s playing every day. That said, I wouldn’t be averse to seeing him playing in the majors. Carlos Gomez most certainly should sit in AAA for a while to learn how to play the game.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 23, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
Does it have to be an either-or situation?
With Cain and Gomez?
I’ve stated in other posts why I think Cain needs time in AAA. Clearly Gomez isn’t holding his weight in MLB, so why not send him down and have both in Nashville?
Rushing a guy because someone on the MLB team sucks is a bad way to run a baseball team when you’re not contending.
Get a ife broseph
They might consider it if they actually had enough healthy guys to play the OF.
Gerut is still on the DL, and Edmonds is gimpy. I don’t think Inglett is an everyday OF player, which doesn’t leave them with anyone else.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
If you're willing to sacrifice a 40 man spot
Norris Hopper could probably be serviceable.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Not necessarily
By stating it as either or, I think it conveys my utter disgust for Carlos Gomez, and my mancrush for Lorenzo Cain, though.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 23, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Imo, Gomez is borrowing CF
Until Cain is ready to play. The kid looked very solid, just needs a little more exp at AAA.
Cappy didn't get a hold in the other winning game he pitched in a couple of weeks ago?
were we up by too many runs at the time?
Perhaps the more relevant question here is
Why do you care about holds?
by ecocd on Jul 23, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Icky-poo
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
He entered the game when the team was losing 4-2 on July 9
And his other relief appearance in a win was at the end of a blowout.
You only get a hold if you enter in a save situation and preserve the lead until another reliever takes over.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I know this
just forgot the 2nd was blow-out…hence the clarification req
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 23, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
devil's advocate
thinking aloud here, and i expect to be pounced on, but follow me for a second on this:
> the season’s largely over for the brewers. kyle has mercifully omitted the playoff chances from the mug today.
> however, rebuilds can take some time and may not work.
> moreover, mark seems like a win if you can, kind of guy.
> given the pre-season outlook people had on the team and that the brewers starting pitching continues to be a problem, could the brewers end up as buyers here? what if the brewers acquire haren? that doesn’t solve anything for this season, but might put the team in a better position for next year (3 good starters) and he’s relatively affordable for an ace. this wouldn’t prevent the brewers from trading fielder and/ or hart (in a separate deal or multi-team trade), and may enable the team to still be competitive next year.
by Capt Science on Jul 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a matter of overpayment
Even backtocali takes into account that there’s a premium attached to players traded mid-season. There aren’t really any bargains to be had on the buyer side of the equation.
What I’m surprised about is that more teams don’t simply try to dump salary willingly accepting a bag of balls for someone to take an expensive player off their books even if that player is playing above his salary level. There have to be $6-8 million players on their last year of a contract that are easily performing at that level. Why not save yourself $3 million this year? Is it only the compensation picks that keep these players on the roster? Or do those players simply not exist?
I would bet
they don’t often upgrade a contender in any real way, and who wants to pay $3 million for half a season of a bench player?
I think he means someone who would be a starter... not a bench player.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
thats my point
it probably doesn’t happen often because those players would not be starters on a contending team, they would be bench players
Every contending team has a weak spot, though
Not every contender has a 2 WAR pitcher throwing 5th in their rotation. The Cardinals took on Suppan as their 5th starter for goodness sake.
I think it’s a little of everything, now. The market isn’t necessarily there. Compensation picks. Employee morale. Fan morale.
But that's not his point...
There have to be $6-8 million players on their last year of a contract that are easily performing at that level.
Just because a team is a playoff contender doesn’t mean that they are stocked at every position.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Thats fair
but I still think it is a significant factor. The Rays, for example, couldn’t take on a player like that because they can’t afford it, regardless of whether it upgrades them or not. The Twins are in the same boat. Texas can’t afford anyone (Seattle is picking up most of the Cliff Lee contract). Going beyond payroll issues, positions have to match up, and since the player is likely in the 2 WAR area, the contending team needs to decide the $3-4 million is worth .5-1 WAR, which probably isn’t the case because they can likely get at least some of that production with who they have.
That is a type of trade that makes more sense during the offseason (although I still don’t know how often it happens) because the marginal value of those players is much greater relative to who the buying team has in place.
Comp picks are part of it
Its also a PR move. If you sell off players just to save $3M the fans aren’t going to like it because it reeks of ownership being greedy and the product on the field is likely to suffer the last couple months of the season, even if it wasn’t good to start with.
If you can get something back for them its a little easier to deal with, but if all you’re getting is a Vinny Rottino type prospect and saving the owner a couple million, its a little tougher to do.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jul 23, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
fans might appreciate the $3M saved
if that $3M is spun properly: netting a better FA or allowing you to sign a big name to a long term contract (ie Fielder).
if the GM lets the fan base know what’s going on, it’s not a problem to cut $3M in a losing season to make the next more competitive…if that money ends up in the GM’s wallet on the other hand..
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 23, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
GM's wallet?
How would that work… bonus money? If anything, I’d think it was the owner who’d get to keep the money… not the GM.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
okay...fine "diverted from players to other expenses"
ie, getting an extra row of pixels on the new HD TV. Paying to contract out IT work, etc.
the fans would want to see that $3M going back into quality players by the start of the next season
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 23, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Creates one hole while filling another...
I’m assuming you mean if we have to sell Fielder and or Hart, why not also buy Haren? Or do you mean sell Hart or Fielder for Haren?
That just fills one hole in the starting rotation, while creating another with the loss of Fielder. And even though a guy like Haren is relatively cheap,he is still about $12 million a year and you wind up with the same W-L projection for next year with the loss of wins on fhe offensive side and gains of wins on the pitching side.
If it was for the latter in a Fielder for Haren move, the D’backs want to cut costs and wouldnt want to take on the salaries of either of those guys, and would want Lawrie plus others to land Haren. And in that case youre left with no farm system worth a lick, 4 games better maybe, and you still have to deal Fielder/Hart.
yeah, more like the first question
while that does just “squeeze the balloon”, this assumes anything we give up for haren would be made up with the trades of fielder and hart. this also assumes braun, wolf, escobar would improve next year. i think that gives you a shot (assuming gamel comes up for a CI spot).
agree azd wouldn’t take fielder, unless the can flip him like piazza on the marlins. there was a recent article about their financial woes, low per capita income, and giving away all-star tickets to encourage season ticket sales.
also agree with above posters that you’d probably overpay mid-season, though doug seems to prefer off-season deals…
by Capt Science on Jul 23, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Mid Season vs Off Season discussion aside
if we can move Fielder and Hart, that should make up whatever dent to the farm system trading for Haren would incur. His salary would be smaller than Fielder’s next season, and we have a ton of money coming off the books. He is also a 5-6 WAR pitcher, which is conservatively 5 times better than our second most valuable starter (shockingly, its Narveson at .4 WAR so far), and much, much more valuable than the player he will replace in the rotation (probably DD).
Inserting a player like Gamel (or McGehee as I’ve seen suggested, or whoever else) at first would produce 1-3 WAR. So conservatively, we’d be about a win better and a little less expensive, and optimistically we’d be 3-4 wins better and a little less expensive. Besides, we’d have Haren at a reasonable price for the next 3 years (12.75, 12.75, option for 15.5 million) when we can expect some of the rebuilding to have manifested itself.
I see where you're going
But you’d have to overpay to get Haren now, and the few extra months you’d gain don’t help.
Haren is the kind of player I’d hope the org will try to acquire this winter…but there’s no reason to overpay to get him sooner.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Correction, no *good* reason
There are plenty of GMs that have their reasons for overpaying players.
Even if it did
Selling now on Fielder + Hart + waiting for Haren > Selling high and needlessly buying high.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
with a caveat on availability
but dtmeyers said what i was trying to generally express.
by Capt Science on Jul 23, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Question:
is it responsible journalism to take a meaningless “there aren’t any untouchables” quote, and turn it into this?
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
by Mykenk on Jul 23, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Does this look like the work of a responsible journalist?
It’s likely that if the Royals trade Greinke, they will was top tier prospects in return.
(Emphasis mine)
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
by Yar Nivek on Jul 23, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The headline is from George A. King of NY Post
If you go to the original article at http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/no_untouchable_royals_not_even_greinke_ou2Pr91GY5VhDikez6feVK
You’ll notice that the headline is “Royals willing to listen to offers for Greinke” so it’s not misleading.
It's misleading
because they’re not going to listen on Greinke. The “reporter” interpreted the teams lack of saying “these guys are untouchable” as “everyone is available,” when, if you asked the Royals, they probably would laugh at you.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
by Mykenk on Jul 23, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh my god this needs to happen.
RT: @Ken_Rosenthal: #Royals like Francoeur. GM Moore had him with #Braves. $5M salary an obstacle. Also: Frenchy 1 more year of arb; potential non-tender. #MLB
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
The Posnanski post if that happened
would be epic
Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?
I saw that
and I loved it. The first thing I thought to myself when I read “Royals like Francoeur” was “of course they do.”
You think they like Carlos Gomez? I’ll take Alex Gordon or Kila Ka’aihue if you’re not going to use them.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 23, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's the new Moneyball
Take advantage of Dayton Moore
Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?
by Lefti on Jul 23, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Carlos Gomez is ostensibly really good at something (defense)
Dayton Moore wouldn’t be interested.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Touche
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 24, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Sending Cain down
Carlos Gomez has a major league deal while Cain has a split contract. If they send Gomez down, they still have to pay him his major league salary. They save a bit of money by sending Cain down and keeping Gomez. I guarantee that factored in the decision of who to keep on the bench of a losing club.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Assuming Cain is going to be recalled at some point
Let’s say August 15. He would’ve made $60,000 or so between now and August 15 on the big league roster.
If decisions like this are being made based on that small amount of money, I’d be sorely disappointed.
Also, if decisions are being made based on that little money, then Jim Edmonds should sit on the bench the rest of the year so he doesn’t reach his contract incentives.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
The decision wasn't based on that little money
But I agree with TheJay, I’m sure it was factored in during the decision making process.
Get a ife broseph
I'm with KL on this one
I think the Brewers are legitimately concerned about Cain not getting enough time to develop and they might have a point. Even everyday reps are worthwhile. There’s some interpersonal conflicts, too.
Gomez can be a little upset about sharing time with Edmonds, but I’m sure he understands a veteran bias. By playing Cain above him, it would be pretty tough to justify that in a fellow young player’s mind. I know, I know. These are professionals and they should be above that, but they aren’t always above that. From his recent quote, we know he thinks he just a few games away from being a solid player.
When you hit September call-ups, then he has a hard time complaining, too, because he should know the young guys are always getting auditions in September.
Hit Spring Training and he should recognize that there’s going to be competition for his spot even if he as an incumbent advantage. Maybe he plays some winter ball and fixes a few things or focuses on plate discipline and really does come back with a .310 OBP. You can’t alienate the guy at the expense of 6 weeks with Cain. Gomez wouldn’t learn anything in AAA in that time, anyway.
Winter ball
I think the frustrating thing about Gomez is that he tore up winter ball, and seemingly excelled at some of the things he struggles to do now.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Yeah, Esky did too.
Maybe there’s a language/culture barrier with our hitting coach and our hitters?
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Even Craig Counsell's best efforts can't make that look even
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
And Finally, further exhibiting the Gallardo Effect
Position Player v. Pitchers.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Bumps OPS up .004
but that’s including ALL pitchers, though obviously Gallardo has the most ABs of any pitcher in the “OTHER” bank
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Culture maybe
But I think Gomez’s English is ok. At the very least, I’ve never seen him quoted through a translator.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
DS: You, José come over here!
CG: My name is Carlos. You know this by now.
DS: Whatever Jesus. Now, here’s what you do to bunt.
CG: I’ve been on the team the whole year. My name is Carlos.
DS: Make sure you get the bat parallel to the ground, Hideo
CG: Hideo isn’t even Spanish.
DS: And you jab at the ball making sure not to get under it, amigo
CG: I am not your amigo. walks away
DS: All these damn Mexicans don’t understand a word I’m saying.
KM: What? Sorry. I dozed off there again.
by ecocd on Jul 23, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
like the coach that called every latino "Bobby"
because of Bonilla.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 23, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I was young and naive once
Trust me, the longer you are around big league ball the more you will see its ALL about the money.
If the Brewers trade Fielder to the White Sox, who do they ask for in return?
I’d imagine they’d want a proven pitcher like John Danks or Gavin Floyd, but I can’t see the White Sox pulling the trigger on a pitcher deal with Jake Peavy hurt. If they send over Gordon Beckham, There wouldn’t be a spot for him. He doesn’t supplant Weeks or McGehee at 2nd or 3rd and isn’t much of a hitting replacement for Escobar. Plus I can’t see the Brewers starting someone that hits .241 at 1st, even in the NL.
my guess
beckham to third, mcgehee to first. gamel to rf, if hart is traded.
i think beckham is better than this, but not as good as last year (that statement isn’t helpful, but there you go).
by Capt Science on Jul 23, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Kenny Williams' lunacy
He might do a deal for Fielder including Beckham and Hudson, but it would be an extreme overpay on his part. And I agree with Capn, where Beckham would then be the 3B next year.
I would not mind at all seeing Hudson and Viciedo coming back fof Fielder. I think its a pretty fair trade, not one that the average fan would be happy with, but it gives you a top 50 prospect with 6 years of control and another top 100 guy (assuming he will be next year) with 6 years as well. And in the end Davan winds up hitting 25 – 30 HRs a year, hits .260 or so, OPS’ at ,800 maybe, and you have a solid #3 starter on top of that.
Fielder is worth more than Hudson/Viciedo (I think someone would top that in the offseason)
There’s no reason not to hold onto him for now if Melvin isn’t blown away, other than making this disappointing season even more boring for us fans.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jul 23, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but that's your opinion,
not one that’s universally shared, either.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Only if the acquiring team can sign him to an extension
imo
And Boras wont let that happen.
Halladay netted two top prospects and a solid third one, but only because the Phillies were able to work out a deal for him first.
And if we use the Teixiera example again, even though it was mid season, he was traded by the Braves to the Angels for a pretty lackluster return. Assume it was for the whole year, maybe it gets them one really nice prospect and a solid one as well. Thats what Hudson and Viciedo are.
Again, it all comes down to who will need a 1B next year, and it will only be as a one year rental, so no one is going to give up a great return for a $15 million rental.
Plunkings
Nice to see Coffey exacting a little payback on the Pirates last night (despite it almost costing the win). I was wondering how long it was going to be before the pitchers finally decided to stand up for all the HBP suffered by Weeks and Fielder.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Payback?
Wouldn’t payback include actually hitting someone? What does throwing behind someone do, other than throwing your catcher’s arm out of socket trying to catch the ball?
Pretty sure he was trying to get him
and the batter moved forward. If he would have just turned it would have drilled him in the lower back
Weird...
From an offensive standpoint, last night’s game was eerily like the first game of the series… a solo HR by Fielder and a 2-run HR by Weeks.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Wins and losses are a stupid stat ...
unless we’re talking about Jeff Suppan, who fell to 0-6 today after giving up three homers in a 5-0 loss to the Cubs.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on Jul 23, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Awwww, he's so nice
He’s trying to make us remember Wolf isn’t the worst pitcher to be on the Brewers this year. That’s so sweet of him. Let’s pool our money and send him a card and a box of candy.
Is Tony throwing a grenade in the top picture?
No, wait — it’s more likely a Molotov cocktail. Ba dum ching.
SRS BSNS
First of all, that was linked in the Mug yesterday.
Second of all, you’re still here?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 23, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Gomez
Unlike most Brewers followers, I like Carlos Gomez. He creates total havoc on the basepaths and is actually a good defensive CF. He just needs to rein in some of that excess energy and play within himself. If Hart should get traded and management finally decides we are out of the race, I would like to see Gomez in the leadoff spot through the remainder of the season just to see what he can do. I honestly feel we have a diamond in the rough here.
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