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Some things to read while seeking cover.

It'd be hard to top Rickie Weeks on the "interesting weekend" scale. Weeks was hit in the head by a pitch Saturday night, remained in the game and hit a two run home run yesterday. Weeks is hitting .323/.447/.903 with five home runs in his last eight games, and Ryan Braun, Ken Macha, Howie Magner and The Brewers Bar all complimented his toughness. Plunk Everyone has more, including this tidbit: Weeks has now been hit by a pitch with two strikes seven times this season.

The Brewers' 8-3 lead made the point moot but if a save situation had presented itself, Trevor Hoffman would have gotten the call to close yesterday, with John Axford needing a day off. Hoffman pitched a scoreless ninth and hasn't allowed a run in his last five appearances.

The point was moot because of a seventh inning three run home run by Casey McGehee. After the game, McGehee talked to Tom Hadricourt about how good it feels to come through after the batter in front of you has been intentionally walked.

Meanwhile, yesterday's most impressive bullpen performance came from Kameron Loe, who pitched two scoreless innings to lower his ERA to 1.44.

Other notes from the field:

Despite the fact that he's nursing a sore Achilles, Jim Edmonds appeared in all three games this weekend and went 4-for-7 with a pair of home runs. He's now hitting .372/.429/.721 for July. Despite the sudden run of success, he implied he might retire following the season.

Edmonds has been called upon a lot lately with Corey Hart unavailable for the weekend. Hart bruised his right wrist attempting to make a sliding catch along the foul line Friday night, and missed the rest of the weekend. Both an X-ray and MRI came back negative, however, and Hart should be ready to return in the next couple of days.

With Hart unavailable, the Brewers reportedly considered calling up an outfielder, but Jordan Schelling says they couldn't get one to Milwaukee in time.

The Brewers shuffled their catching situation a bit over the weekend, allowing Jonathan Lucroy to catch Manny Parra for the first time in July. Parra posted a 10.89 ERA in three July starts with George Kottaras behind the plate, and a 4.18 ERA in five June starts while throwing to Lucroy. With Lucroy back behind the plate Saturday, Parra pitched his first quality start in over a month. Meanwhile, the Tom Haudricourt talked to Lucroy about his dad.

Carlos Gomez went 1-for-9 with a triple during the Nationals series, although he did draw an intentional walk. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker makes the case for being patient with him.

This weekend the Brewers continued their 40th Anniversary celebration with a look back to the 1990's. In a decision that says a fair amount about Robin Yount's greatness and the barren nature of the rest of the decade, Yount's 3000th hit and Hall of Fame induction were selected as the decade's top two moments. Of course, the Brewers managed to ruin the weekend's 1990's-era feel by winning.

As expected, Bob Uecker returned to action Friday night, and will call all of the Brewers' remaining home games and a few select road trips down the stretch. If you haven't had a chance to listen to a game since he's been back, you'll get one on Wednesday: The series finale against the Reds will not be televised.

Uecker had an unexpected visitor in the booth Friday night when Adam Dunn, who wasn't in the Nationals' starting lineup, stopped by to say hello and ended up on the air during the second inning.

Every silver lining has a cloud: The Bucky Channel uses this weekend's sweep as cause for optimism and a potential re-shaping of the Brewers' trade deadline plans. Even after winning four straight games, CoolStandings has the Brewer playoff chances at 0.6%. It's a little too early to consider them back to life. Elsewhere in trade notes, Brewers Daily has a look at the possibility Corey Hart could be dealt to the Rays.

In the minors:

On power rankings:

Nominations continue for the SBN Wisconsin Hall of Fame. Over the weekend we closed out our list with Bud Selig and Jim Gantner. Acme Packing Company continued their nominations with Paul Hornung.

Elsewhere in self promotion: I forgot to mention it on Friday, but if you're interested in viewing an archived copy of my Sports Buzz interview from last week, here you go.

Around baseball:

Angels: Acquired pitcher Dan Haren from the Diamondbacks for pitchers Joe Saunders and Rafael Rodriguez and two minor leaguers.
Athletics: Placed Ben Sheets on the DL with elbow soreness and signed catcher Kurt Suzuki to a four year, $16.25 million contract extension through 2014.
Dodgers: Catcher Brad Ausmus intends to retire following the season, and reliever Justin Miller has been designated for assignment.
Giants: Placed outfielder Eugenio Velez (concussion) and pitcher Jeremy Affeldt (oblique strain) on the DL.
Indians: Placed pitcher Aaron Laffey on the DL with shoulder fatigue.
Nationals: Placed pitcher J.D. Martin on the DL with bulging discs in his lower back.
Orioles: Designated infielder Scott Moore for assignment.
Padres: Signed infielder Nick Green to a minor league deal.
Pirates: Designated reliever Brendan Donnelly for assignment.
Rangers: Placed catcher Matt Treanor on the DL with a knee sprain. (h/t Lone Star Ball)
Reds: Outfielder Gary Matthews Jr. is expected to opt out of his minor league deal.
Royals: Placed outfielder David DeJesus (torn ligament in right thumb) on the DL and designated pitcher Anthony Lerew for assignment.
Tigers: Placed outfielder Magglio Ordonez (broken ankle) and second baseman Carlos Guillen (calf strain) on the DL, released pitcher Billy Buckner and designated pitcher Casey Fien for assignment.

Magglio Ordonez's injury couldn't have come at a worse time for his financial future: He'll likely be out 6-8 weeks, and probably won't be able to accumulate enough plate appearances to trigger a $15 million vesting option for next season.

So much for the theory that Dave Duncan could fix Jeff Suppan: Through seven starts as a Cardinal, Suppan allowed 12.3 hits and 1.8 home runs per nine innings and has been bumped from the rotation.

If you were near a TV this weekend, you might have seen highlights from the Hall of Fame inductions, which drew a little less attention than usual. Darren Rovell makes the case that the Hall might be in trouble, with lackluster classes on the horizon and suspected steroid users being left out. For whatever it's worth, The Hall of Very Good projects John Franco and Jeff Bagwell to be inducted on the first ballot next year, and no first ballot inductions in 2012.

Yesterday was also the eleventh anniversary of Robin Yount's Cooperstown induction, and the sixth anniversary of Paul Molitor's.

On this day in 1987, Paul Molitor stole second, third and home in the first inning of a 7-4 Brewer win over the A's.

Happy birthday to:

Now, if you'll excuse me, my lawn needs some work.

Drink up.

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Nats TV announcers on Saturday

were complimenting the Brewers on having awesome defense this year. If I had been drinking, it would have gone through my nose.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Did they mean awesome defensive plays?

The Brewers defense has certainly flashed the leather a few times between Escobar, Gomez and Edmonds (even Ryan Braun had a highlight reel play). Everyday defense has not been so great. I’ve noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of blown double plays now that Weeks and Escobar have enough seasons under their belt.

You’re right, though. That’s still a very amusing statement.

by ecocd on Jul 26, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Escobar is starting to let his personality show

Last season he was really quiet and wide-eyed, this season he has a lot more confidence and is starting to relax into his role and have a lot of fun playing. I think he’s just getting started, we’re going to see a lot better things from him coming up.

by nullacct on Jul 26, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Everything's relative

The Brewers are mostly solid, sometimes brutal and occasionally spectacular.

The Nationals….

by warwick5s on Jul 26, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Based on UZR/150 for this season

The Brewers are actually the 7th worst defensive team in baseball.

Watching them, I would never question that ranking. They’re brutal.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jul 26, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Attendence note

41987 was Saturday’s game, yesterday was 42414. Did they give something away on Saturday, too?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 26, 2010 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

was that the day that SS was projected to pitch?

before the all star break re-alignment? Perhaps they were mostly presales around ASB time.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

They gave away grilling aprons on Saturday. They also had a one-day promo earlier in the month for 1/2 price tickets for any July game.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 26, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bagwell

Never realized how great his career really was. When I heard he was eligible for next year, I figured he wouldnt be voted in first ballot, but he’s #36 on the WAR list for position players. I wonder if he doesn’t go first ballot though given his injury history.

I dont think Franco is a Hall of Famer though,just my opinion.

by backtocali on Jul 26, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Injury History?

I dont think Bagwell has a “history” of injury. His career was shortened by an injury but he was hardly injury prone over his career.

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Jul 26, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Broken wrist

Didnt he break his wrist a couple of times and miss a lot of games? Via HBP.

by backtocali on Jul 26, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

since you're talking of HBPs

any chance you’re talking about Biggio?

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think so

I seem to remember back in the mid 90’s Bagwell getting hit by a pitch on the wrist and missing 6 to 8 weeks. He had a two year stretch back then where he only played in 100 games or so.

Did Biggio have that problem too?

by backtocali on Jul 26, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe but probably not

as it’d be pretty hard to rack up the modern-day HBP record while missing significant chunks of time, but I’m sure plunkeveryone would know.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bags broke his hand on HBPs in '93, '94, and '95

and missed around 50 games (each) in ’94 and ’95 as a result.

His batting stance put his left hand in harm’s way on inside pitches, and, if I remember correctly, he started wearing a modified batting glove that had a thin strip of metal on top of the glove to prevent injury after ’95.

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by Rubie Q on Jul 26, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He missed only a couple games in '94 and 30 games in '95

The strike meant there were only ~115 and 144 games in those seasons.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 26, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Derp.

You’re right.

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by Rubie Q on Jul 26, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

144 is burned into my mind by video games

I had some baseball game that allowed you to choose 144 or 162 game seasons and I always thought it was weird.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 26, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe ...

back from the days of two 13-team leagues, and the video game had you play 12 games versus the other 12 teams?

by oconnobe on Jul 26, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was surprised by Franco too.

I don’t think of him as a Hall of Famer at all. I guess he’ll probably get some consideration because of his time in New York, but I’d be shocked to see him reach 75%.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 26, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me too, especially since having 400 saves did nothing for Lee Smith

And appearing in 1100 games did nothing for Jesse Orosco.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 26, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really? Jeff Bagwell is an obvious Hall of Famer to me

MVP, Gold Glove, part of an iconic offense, one-team guy, all things the voters usually seem to like. He also undoubtedly took steroids but was never prominently linked to them like a McGwire or Sosa. The only obvious knock is his relatively short career, but he did have 2314 H and 449 HR which should be enough.

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by SRB on Jul 26, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just out of curiosity

“He also undoubtedly took steroids”

Is there evidence/rumors for this, or is it just based on the theory that pretty much everyone was juicing in the 90s?

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by Lefti on Jul 26, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Every slugger in the late 90s who conspicuously turned into a giant inhuman gorilla and were later plagued by a litany of injuries.

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by SRB on Jul 26, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the suspicion of taking steroids may be the only reason he doesn't make it into the HoF.

His stats are slightly better across the board than Cepeda… granted Cepeda was voted in by the Veteran’s Committee.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 26, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

How long is Dunn under contract for?

If memory serves it’s a few years. Too bad. If he were going to be a free agent this offseason, we could shamelessly take advantage of the mutual man-crush he and Ueck have for each other and let Bob lobby him to sign with the Brewers to play 1B if Fielder gets dealt.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 26, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Then if Fielder is dealt for pitching...

… I think going after Dunn in free agency makes a lot of sense. He’s not an exact match for Fielder’s offensive production, but he’s a lot closer than any of the internal options are. The only drawback is that it once again leaves Gamel without a position, which likely means he would end up getting traded.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 26, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's up at year end.

Unless he has been extended and Cots hasnt picked it up yet.

Funny thing is that the Nats and Brewers have almost identical trade pieces in Hart/Fielder and Willingham/Dunn. The big exception is that their guys are in the last years of their contract.

Not a bad idea to pick up Dunn, if only for the fact that it goes against my philosophy for the team of saving money at the expense of a few wins. Plus side is if they did do that, they could probably get him for a 2 year deal in the $20 mil range or so.

by backtocali on Jul 26, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You think Dunn will only go for $10 million?

I could be happy with that contract. Good fishing in Wisconsin. Gamel could use a season at 1B learning the position given that he apparently doesn’t have the will to actually learn 3B. Dunn could keep the bag warm for him or warm for the next guy if Gamel goes via trade or apathy.

by ecocd on Jul 26, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not

But do you think he can expect a pay raise, in this economy?

Fair value for him is probably $30 for 2 years, but Id be shocked if anyone gave it to him. Maybe the Cubs replace Lee with him.

by backtocali on Jul 26, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

And if that happens...

I wouldn’t mind having Lee for a year or two until they find a more permanent solution.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 26, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love to get Adam Dunn

but if we don’t upgrade the pitching staff in a significant way, I agree that it feels a bit like rearranging the deck chairs

by dtmeyers on Jul 26, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Last year was the first time he spent a significant amount of time at first base, and he was even worse defensively there than in the outfield, at least according to UZR; he was basically worse than any thought possible. However, this season he’s actually been an average fielding first baseman, and some have attributed that to his working harder at it over the offseason. So it depends on who you think he really is: the impossibly bad butcher of last season, or the solid-but-unspectacular guy who worked out the the kinks of this season.

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by Lefti on Jul 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

He doesn’t get as many base hits as Fielder and strikes out more, but he makes up for it with walks.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 26, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the big donkey

Might as well put a three true outcomes guy at 1B.

And if anyone really tries to use his poor defense as a reason they don’t want to see him in a Brewers uniform, please stop taking yourself so seriously.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

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by Charlie Marlow on Jul 26, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Dunn is awesome and I want him on the Brewers if Fielder gets dealt. A two year deal won’t hamstring the team in any fashion considering what’s coming off the books.

by warwick5s on Jul 26, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd agree

if neither of our minors guys can play 1st, why the hell not.

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by Mykenk on Jul 26, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean, it makes sense to move Gamel if they think he’s so bad at third, and since Casey seems to not be regressing that hard.

But since it makes so much sense, why haven’t they done it? To me, it seems like they’re just keeping him at third to keep his trade value higher for when he is inevitably thrown in with Hart or Fielder to improve whatever pitching prospects are involved.

by warwick5s on Jul 26, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

They haven't done it

because they’re pretty much clueless.

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by Mykenk on Jul 26, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember when he was going to play first while rehabbing so he wouldn't steal the 3B playing time?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 26, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but they don’t anticipate people, you know, looking in on the minor leagues to see if they were kidding or not.

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by Mykenk on Jul 26, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was because

they didn’t want him to throw the ball so much.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Jul 26, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I just like the other reasoning:

"The only reason is to get him at-bats," general manager Doug Melvin explained to FOXSports.com. "This way, he doesn’t take all the playing time away from the third baseman.

"He’s going to spend some time DH-ing, too. When he’s playing over at first base, he also doesn’t have to throw as much. And because the problem (a muscle tear) was in his shoulder, we didn’t want him throwing from third every day.

Of course, he appeared in 1 game as a DH and 5 at 3B in Brevard, then 2 and 6 at Huntsville.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 26, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dunn lacks passion for the game

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 26, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well played

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jul 26, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dunn's been pretty good at Miller Park, too.

.252 / .411 / .523 in 66 career games. If I’m reading this right (and there’s no guarantee that I am), he’s played more than 50 games in seven (7) different stadiums in his career. His .934 OPS at Miller Park is the third-highest on that list, behind Wrigley Field (1.061) and The Great American Band Box (.943).

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by Rubie Q on Jul 26, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that's facing Brewers pitchers.

We can’t assume he’ll hit that well as a home player.

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by Yar Nivek on Jul 26, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's fair.

But if Suppan hangs on with the Cardinals next year, Donkey could improve on his .483 / .634 / .793 line vs. Soup.

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by Rubie Q on Jul 26, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whether Dunn joins the Brewers or not...

I would love to see Suppan hang on with the Cards.

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by Yar Nivek on Jul 26, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt the Cards will sign Suppan.

He’s already fallen out of favor and been relegated to the bullpen (probably for mop up duty). Next step would be to release him.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 26, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

A boy can dream.

And, really, I just wanted to cite Dunn’s line against Suppan. A 1.427 OPS in 41 plate appearances? Absurd.

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by Rubie Q on Jul 26, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adam Dunn is pretty awesome

One of the most underrated hitters in the game. I wouldn’t want to sign him though, because he belongs as a DH. I’m not giving even $10 million to anyone who was somehow able to be worth -37.1 RAR in a single season playing 1B…

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by SRB on Jul 26, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That number is primarily though as a LF

He would be playing 1B for any NL team, where so far he is slightly below average.

by backtocali on Jul 26, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Career UZR/150 at 1B: -16.4
Career TZ at 1B: -19

Not a huge sample size (288 G), but he is certainly nowhere near “slightly below average”

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by SRB on Jul 26, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

FanGraphs shows 67 games at 1B

84 in the OF. Unless I’m reading this wrong, which has been a recurring problem for me today.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Jul 26, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right

But it’s irrelevant. He had a -30.8 UZR/150 in his time at 1B last year.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jul 26, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gamel

Any chance he’s left eye-dominant?

I thought I’d throw that question out there, even though, after thinking about it, that’s probably not true – he’d probably throw it a bit too far to the left if that was the case. But I guess it’s possible he’s compensating for his eye dominance by subconsciously overadjusting back to the right. Or “seeing” that as he extended his arm forward he’s “aiming” further to the left, so he tries to maintain the line to the right.

Might also explain him being more comfortable being a LHB while still being right handed.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

In other words

could his throwing error-prone ways be corrected by something as simple as closing his left eye while throwing?

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

meh

you don’t need depth perception throughout the throw…before you go into the throwing motion should be enough – the distance doesn’t change more than 2 feet from beginning of your motion to the end. You can also get sense-of-depth just based on how large people appear to be – you could be one-eyed and be okay at fielding and throwing.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sort of like this?

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by Yar Nivek on Jul 26, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm right handed and left eye dominant

and it’s definitely weird in some situations, but I’d assume that after tens of thousands of innings playing third base it’d be something he’d figure out

by warwick5s on Jul 26, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd assume also

but so would be a manual re-correction for happening to throw offline. Just didn’t know if there could be a physiological reason for tossing right in addition to the obvious psychological reasons. The treatment to the physiological cause is to alter something physically (shutting an eye) whereas the psychological causes are a bit trickier to deal with most of the time.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

it did take kevin mench more than a few years to realize that his shoes were too small

by BIGPAMPERINO on Jul 26, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am also

left eye dominant. Or was when I was a kid. I think my right eye has now asserted mild dominance.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty much

I actually tested my eyes after this post walking down the sidewalk. My left eye is winning again.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 26, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gamel's defense

I wonder if he is struggling this year because 1) he knows that it’s his offense that earned him top prospect status and he (probably rightly) only cares about hitting right now in order to get that back, and 2) he wonders himself what he’s still doing at 3B.

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by SRB on Jul 26, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

or he possibly lost a lot of time to injury. He was working pretty hard on his defense in spring training. Since he had a shoulder injury they didn’t want him to throw as much and by most accounts his big problem on defense is throwing not actually fielding the ball.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Jul 26, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd still vote for self-privileged

Macha probably had a point when he didn’t like Gamel’s attitude. Lucroy is evidence enough that Macha will only play a young player if he proves he wants to be there.

That said, a manager manages people. If that means treating a guy with kid gloves most of the time, then you treat the guy with kid gloves to get the most out of him. Sitting him on the bench because you don’t like him is just flat out stupid. That’s perhaps the thing I like about him the least.

by ecocd on Jul 26, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do any managers treat different players differently?

Seems like most MLB managers having one way of managing and don’t really adjust for particular players.

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by sjlee on Jul 26, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could argue that Macha HAD to play Lucroy.

He only had 2 catchers and Kottaras stunk.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Jul 26, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't think Macha played Lucroy

on his own merits but much more on Kottaras being really bad.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Jul 26, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I was goign to say

He’s also commented on liking Lucroy’s work ethic since he’s been up.

by ecocd on Jul 26, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Lucroy wasn't ready then...

… point is, once Zaun was out there no longer was the gritty, veteran catcher that he could start thoughtlessly. The fact that Kottaras isn’t very good didn’t trigger Lucroy’s opportunity. The fact that Kottaras isn’t very good and he’s relatively unproven did.

I don’t doubt that Lucroy’s personality made it easier for Macha to make the decision, but it’s not like there was a gritty, benefit of the doubt veteran alternative.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 26, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rivera was arguably ready

At the very least, one could argue that he should have had the opportunity to prove he either was or wasn’t ready to start more often then he did. Macha never gave him the chance.

by ecocd on Jul 26, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

And my point is that I don’t think Lucroy would have gotten the chance if Zaun were unhurt, or regardless of Zaun’s injury, if Kottaras was a guy who was pretty good 5 years ago and thus was entitled to the “benefit of the doubt.”

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 26, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It has nothing to do with Lucroy

I was replying to this statement…

You could argue that Macha HAD to play Lucroy.
He only had 2 catchers and Kottaras stunk.

Replace Kottaras with Kendall and Lucroy with Rivera, and the statement was true for 2009.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 26, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only from the stand point that the starting catcher (Kendall) sucked

and Rivera wasn’t given a chance.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 26, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would posit that offense is not everything with a catcher

Everyone on an MLB field thinks Jason Kendall is God’s gift to pitchers, so even if he can’t hit, it’s probably not fair to say he plays even though he sucks.

I think he sucks, but the managers he plays for aren’t putting him in there in spite of him sucking. Kottaras doesn’t have the same pedigree.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Jul 26, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the point I'm trying to make.

I don’t think Macha should get credit for learning from the Kendall situation or adjusting or giving Lucroy a chance because it’s not remotely the same choice. It’s far more similar to the choice he made on McGehee and Gamel, if it has any directly comparable circumstances, since he was choosing from relatively young and unproven alternatives in both circumstances. Even that comparison doesn’t match entirely, because Kottaras was given a chance and Gamel wasn’t, at least in my opinion.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 26, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kendall

In 2009, Kendall sucked from just about every aspect of the game. His hitting was horrible, and he only was throwing out 20% of would-be basestealers. The pitching staff was the worst in the league, so you could argue that he wasn’t calling a good game either.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jul 27, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing on Jeffress up to AA yet?

Huh. Well, anyway. Jeffress was promoted to AA.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

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