Thursday's Frosty Mug
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 29, 2010 10:33 AM CDT
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Some things to read while getting a few extra minutes.
I'm running behind this morning, as life got in the way a bit. So this morning's Mug is of the quick variety:
- The Brewers allowed ten unanswered runs to the Reds yesterday, with the loudest coming off the bat of Brandon Phillips. Phillips hit a grand slam off of Carlos Villanueva that traveled an estimated 450 feet into Bernie Brewer's slide in left field. According to Hit Tracker Online, 450 feet would be the longest home run at Miller Park this season.
- After the game, Villanueva was sent to Nashville to make room for LaTroy Hawkins, who was activated off the DL. (FanShot)
- Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker hopes Villanueva doesn't get lost in the shuffle.
- The Brewers Bar takes on the argument that Hawkins sucks.
Other notes from the field:
- Casey McGehee was spiked below his knee on a play at third base, but was able to remain in the game. With the team playing with a short bench and Corey Hart and Jim Edmonds hobbled, the Brewers only had two healthy bench players: Craig Counsell and George Kottaras.
- Kottaras was eventually called into action at first base after Prince Fielder was ejected for throwing his helmet following an eighth inning strikeout.
- Kameron Loe struggled again yesterday, and SgtClueLs introduced him to regression.
- Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips and Miguel Cairo are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Here are the MLB.com video highlights.
- 38,365 fans showed up for the game, which has to be about the best you can hope for on a weekday afternoon.
And in other stuff:
- Roy Oswalt is scheduled to start for the Astros against the Brewers tomorrow, but Houston reportedly has a deal in place to send him to the Phillies, pending his approval.
- The Brewers' next four series are against three of the NL's worst teams: The Astros, Cubs and Diamondbacks.
- Rickie Weeks isn't your typical leadoff hitter, and he's ok with that. View From Bernie's Chalet has Weeks as his cleanup hitter in his projected 2011 lineup. FanGraphs has a look at his 2010 surge.
- I'm not sure if they meant "work in the 50's," but apparently Ken Macha told Joe Inglett not to try to light up the radar gun in his emergency pitching appearance Tuesday. Drew Olson has a look at the issue.
- Beyond the Box Score did the math and discovered that the Brewers have played baseball's fifth easiest schedule.
- Elsewhere at BtBS, they note that Yovani Gallardo is already among the top 150 hitting pitchers of all time.
On the trade front:
- According to this week's BCB Tracking Poll, 58% of voters are ready for the Brewers to become sellers, and roughly a third are attending and watching fewer games this season.
- Tom Haudricourt reports that the Angels and Rangers have reportedly expressed interest in Prince Fielder recently.
- Jeff Fletcher of AOL says the Rangers can't take on money and haven't discussed Fielder.
- Joey Matschulat of Baseball Time in Arlington says Fielder to the Rangers "almost certainly won't happen, but that never stopped anyone from talking about a rumor before."
- Dayn Perry of Fox Sports listed a Fielder/Rangers move as one of five deals that needs to happen.
- The White Sox have reportedly told infielder Gordon Beckham he will not be dealt. Beckham is one of the names that came up in a possible Fielder deal.
- The Giants are reportedly no longer talking with the Brewers about either Fielder or Corey Hart.
- Trevor Hoffman has a limited no-trade clause that would acquire his approval before he can be dealt to 25 teams.
- Howie Magner says he'd be very surprised if the Brewers pull off a significant deal.
In the minors:
- The affiliates went 3-2 yesterday, with Brevard County starter Dan Merklinger having the best day: He struck out 13 while pitching six shutout innings in the Manatees' 5-1 win over St. Lucie. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
On power rankings: USA Today has the Brewers holding steady at 22.
On the SBN Wisconsin Hall of Fame:
- Anonymous Eagle nominates Jerel McNeal and Doc Rivers.
- Acme Packing Company nominates Curly Lambeau.
Around baseball:
Angels: Joel Pineiro is expected to miss 6-8 weeks with a strained oblique.
Athletics: Ben Sheets has a torn flexor tendon in his elbow and is done for the year.
Dodgers: Acquired outfielder Scott Podsednik from the Royals for two minor leaguers.
Mariners: Placed pitcher Ryan Rowland-Smith on the DL with a lower back strain.
Nationals: Are expected to place Stephen Strasburg on the DL with shoulder inflammation.
Padres: Outfielder Kyle Blanks needs Tommy John surgery and will miss the rest of the season.
Phillies: Placed outfielder Shane Victorino on the DL with an abdominal strain.
Tigers: Acquired shortstop Jhonny Peralta from the Indians for a minor leaguer.
And in non-Brewer notes:
- The Cubs reportedly reached a deal to send Derrek Lee to the Angels, but he rejected it. As a ten year major league veteran who has played for the same team for five seasons, he has that right.
- Pirates pitcher Ross Ohlendorf narrowly avoided disaster last night. He was hit in the head with a line drive but escaped with a "bad contusion."
- Tigers pitcher Jeremy Bonderman is 27 and could be in line for a huge payday following the season, but he's reportedly considering retirement.
- Ever wonder what it'd be like to play baseball halfway around the world from your home? Sounds like Red Sox reliever Hideki Okajima wouldn't recommend it.
- Ed Price of AOL FanHouse has the trade deadline quote of the day:
I'm betting a team that "has to be overwhelmed" and a team that is "likely to stand pat" end up making a deal before Saturday.
On this day in 1975, Don Money and Darrell Porter led off the game with back-to-back home runs as the Brewers beat the Red Sox 4-0.
Happy birthday today to:
- 2004-06 Brewer Mike Adams, who turns 32.
- 1993 first round pick and 1996-97 Brewer Todd Dunn, who turns 40.
- 1956-61 Milwaukee Brave Felix Mantilla, who turns 76.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to my morning routine.
Drink up.
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Let the speculation begin
@jonschaeffer: Jeremy Hellickson pulled after three innings of scoreless baseball? #Rays
Get a ife broseph
Not gonna happen
more likely: Rays trade a different starter, use Hellickson as his replacement.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
I'm not going to get my hopes up at all, but that IS interesting
Nobody on the trade market other than Fielder that would cost Hellickson.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
never know
it could be Dunn+someone
it could also be that hellickson felt something wrong. Or they wanted to preserve a trade chip. Or they were planning on promoting him themselves (ie, maybe someone else on the Rays MLB staff is being traded)
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't imagine Dunn would net Hellickson
Probably something routine though, like you said. Although if they wanted to promote him, why start him at all.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
maybe if they didn't think at all the deal was going to go through
for that pitcher on their MLB roster until mid-game (ie Corey Hart’s rehab status was in question). Or the courier got held up at the airport and they don’t have/trust cells/e-mail to get the message:P
Or they wanted him to get a couple innings of work because he slots best into their rotation in about 3-4 days and didn’t want him inactive for a whole week.
I dunno.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
They might just be limiting his innings in order to call him up and put him into the bullpen, too
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
true, but
I thought they think he’s good enough to be a starter this year? why have him (generally) stretched out, only to bring him up as a reliever? I gotta think that he’d be replacing either their #4 or #5 in the rotation, but without knowing who is pitching when on the Brewers, much less another team, I’m not super-qualified here.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
or the Rays' #1-#3 starter could be traded
but presuming they’re making a playoff run this year, that’d be like shooting themselves in the foot. Fielder would give them a good shot next year though. Not sure about Hart.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
From a Rosenthal article
The Rays remain open to making a major trade, but their chances of completing such a deal have diminished markedly.
The team’s two biggest targets, Royals right fielder David DeJesus and Phillies right fielder Jayson Werth, are off the board.
This screams: Corey Hart to me. They want a right fielder. We have one on the trade block. It’s possible they sent a trainer or scout to look at his med records. As Hart wouldn’t net Hellickson (at least without Lawrie also going), this means that we’d be getting a Rays MLB pitcher. Welcome to the Brewers, Wade Davis.
/end logical leaps
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm on the 3 day waiting list over at DRays Bay
someone want to cross-post there? get some feedback from those ppl as to what they think this means?
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, now the Rays minor league affiliate is just saying it was to keep his innings in check
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
That seems weird to me.
Why not just give him an extra day between starts for the rest of the year? Wouldn’t that be more beneficial to his development?
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Like the others have stated
Would be a great acquistion if true, but probably pretty unlikely.
I would still much rather have the 2 or 3 A Ball guys from their system than just Hellickson straight up. Alexander Colome, Jake McGee and Nick Barnese and maybe a PTBNL could give you a future #1, #2 and #3 or closer. All are in A ball right now, except McGee who is in AA. Why get one ace if you can get 1 and 2 other top of the rotation (or a closer)?
This of course wouldnt account for Hellickson being pulled, but they can definitely afford to make the trade I list above, and then after Fielder helps them this year in the playoffs, they can turn around and trade him to a team who can afford to pay his ’11 salary, and get 3 prospects back from that team.
I'd much rather have Hellickson
6 years of team control on a pitcher which a MUCH higher chance to be successful as a top of the rotation pitcher. I just don’t have faith that we can develop pitching consistently enough to maximize the value of 3 high upside A ball pitchers, and I think that negates a lot of the advantages to that trade as opposed to Hellickson straight up.
Question
if Fielder gets dealt today/tomorrow/Saturday for a 40-man minor league pitcher straight up (or with other non-40 man people involved on either side)
a) who takes Fielder’s 25 man slot? (Gamel? Cruz?)
b) who plays first? (Kottaras? Gamel? McGehee?)
If it’s Hart, I’d say it’s an easy call who gets called up: Cain. Then either he or Gomez shifts to right.
It’s also possible we get a stopgap 1B in the trade as well if Fielder is involved, but then someone (ie Villy or Butler) has to be dropped from the 40man.
Everyone on the whole roster can play first base
Some better than others, but it’s not a skill position
The problem is a few fold
a) we have a shortage of healthy players on the MLB roster.
b) the team hasn’t even thrown gamel in at 1B for a single game at AAA or AA this season (or last?)
c) with Salome’s issues, we don’t have a viable backup catcher to allow Kottaras to be a rest-of-season replacement at first.
d) the team isn’t likely to use Escobar or Gomez or any of the other young defensive “studs” at first.
I guess they could throw Counsell or Inglett over there, but with Hart and Edmonds down and other players not at peak condition, they have to fill in elsewhere. Plus, they’re not exactly earning their offensive paychecks at the moment. Then again, who cares other than Melvin how well the rest of the season goes once Fielder is gone?
Can Dave Bush play first?
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh
If you really need someone with 1B experience, call up Gamel, move Casey to first.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
And if you are worried about a backup catcher
Guys like Carlos Corporan or Mike Rivera are in someone’s farm system and can be had for cash considerations or a random PTBNL.
Get a ife broseph
which would cost a 40 man slot
which isn’t the end of the world, but Melvin seems adverse to making any moves that affect the 40 man unless he has no other choice.
I could see him getting Kapler from the Rays to play 1st before signing another catcher so he can use his backup catcher to play first, even though that too would burn a 40man.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Melvin isn't too adverse to making moves that affect the 40 man
See Jeffress, Jeremy and Cruz, Luis.
Get a ife broseph
I see that Kapler's only played two career games at first though
but on the Rays Zobrist (3rd on the depth chart for 1b) is out hurt. And Aybar is their DH.
but yeah, I suppose Koshansky (below) would be an internal option
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Koshansky would make sense as a stop-gap for the immediate future
Edmonds if he gets healthy.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Is anyone else in trade fatigue?
Even if I thought they really were going to move Hart, Fielder and/or Gamel, I think I’d be a bit tired of it all. Saturday cannot come soon enough.
Then we can start talking about what we’ll get for Fielder in the offseason.
actually it's the opposite
i’m annoyed there aren’t more rumors on prince or corey. haren and oswalt had all sorts of rumors with all sorts of teams, while prince and corey have just a snippet here or there.
by Capt Science on Jul 29, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean there aren't talks. Plenty of teams like to keep things quiet.
Also, there were plenty of rumors about Hart before he got injured.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
oh, i don't disagree
but rumors are the fun part for me, until the trade happens. if i was a GM, i’d probably want rumors to be minimal, but i’m not, so i want massive amounts!!
by Capt Science on Jul 29, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
As a GM, I'd be the opposite.
I’d want it to be generally accepted knowledge of who I’m talking about and what I’m looking for, with the hope that the increased exposure will raise my volume of bidders and my eventual price.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Imperfect information
Do you think ARod’s Texas contract came because Boras was advertising his best offer? There’s little question he had the Rangers bidding against themselves by keeping all the negotiations “secret.”
If you’re looking for completely fair market value in trade then being open with your trade offers makes sense, but no one in the business is there to make fair deals. To get more value than the open market value, you have to keep the information quiet.
As an agent, it's completely different.
But as a GM, it’s in your best interest to mention every offer publicly, on the chance someone (either a known interest or someone out of nowhere) will bid higher.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they are already mentioned "publicly"
But only among GMs.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I would constantly be planting stories in the press to get other teams to bid higher.
Always saying that i hadn’t seen any offers worth my time
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Trade fatigue - yes
It’s actually getting a little stressful. I’m feeling a little nostalgic for the old days when new faces would just show up and you weren’t sure why or how they got there.
ESPN says the Tigers might be interested in Hart ...
but speculates that Dave Dombrowski would be reluctant to move Rick Porcello or Jacob Turner.
SRS BSNS
He should be reluctant
Hart’s not worth that.
The Tigers have a few really nice arms that are a notch below those two guys, that would be a nice pick up for the Brewers. A guy like Casey Crosby plus another would be a good trade for both sides and more realistic.
Grain of saltify:
@Ken_Rosenthal: #RedSox asked about #Brewers’ Hoffman; Theo knows him from days w #Padres. Red Sox are 1 of 5 teams on Hoffman’s no-trade list
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Continued:
but #Brewers not inclined to move him. Pitching well, good influence on Axford, Braddock. Interest also in Villanueva, Coffey. #MLB
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
ERA (shut up, I know it sucks but I'm lazy/busy) since May 22nd:
Hoffman – 2.7
Coffey – 4.58
Villaneuva – 6.59
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Also
CV’s allowed 44% of his inherited runners to score. That’s terrible.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
I'm not denying he's valuable
That’s actually the whole point. He’s valuable enough to warrant legitimate interest from other teams, but DM gives some line about being a good bullpen influence. He’s a player-coach, but they could use a player in trade moreso than the pitching coach.
Maybe it was the groundskeeper that gave the quote, but using “good bullpen influence” as the reasoning for keeping a guy in the clubhouse is tough to swallow.
I thought there were 25 teams in his no trade list (or rather his consult-before-trade list)
and the other 5 were okay.
but whatever.
In any case, I’m sure if you asked the bullpen guys if they’d rather a) turn the brewers into a winning, playoff bound team or b) have some personal guidance from hoff, they’d choose to win.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 29, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, you might be right
That was a weirdly worded Tweet from Ken.
I’d guess in this situation that if Hoffman wanted to be traded to Boston the Brewers would move him. If he didn’t want to be traded the Brewers would leak word that they wanted to keep him around so Hoffman doesn’t get criticized for not wanting to go to a contender.
Get a ife broseph
I believe he meant that Boston is one of the teams he can go to
Players generally select 5 teams they’re willing to go to rather than 5 teams singled out for being evil and not wanting to play there.
“Hoffman has a limited no-trade clause in his contract that blocks the Brewers from trading him to 25 of the 30 Major League teams without his consent. "
These days it is better reasoning than good rotation influence in Oakland ;)
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Hoffman for Lester. Make it happen, Doug!
Alternatively, a bag of balls should get that done.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
That's probably what Doug is asking for
Conversation between DM and Theo:
DM: Hi Boy wonder Harvard MBA, I hear you like Trevor Hoffman.
Boy Genius: Yeah, hes a good guy, love the work ethic, got to know him a bit when I was working with the Padres. What do you say I send you a couple of bags of Fritos for him, and we will pay the remainder of his salary for you.
DM: How about Jon Lester?
Theo: Waits for rim shot…….after he realizes DM was serious…….Hangs up…..
DM: Hello….hello….huh, he must have lost the call, bad connection probably…..Ginger!!! (DM’s assistant), get me Theo Epstein from the Red Sox on the phone!
Phone rings endlessly, hundreds of rings, DM waiting patiently for Theo to pick up the line so they can pick up where they left off.
by backtocali on Jul 29, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
McClung is working as Doug Melvin's assistant now?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jul 29, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Yankees are out on Dunn:
can someone tell me why they were in on him to begin with?
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
If an American league team picks up Prince as a DH
They are probably going to plan on moving him back to first next year (because of money). The Yankees do not have a hole at first.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 29, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
except I wouldn’t be happy with the prospects we would get back.
by BrewCrewBrian on Jul 29, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
plus the timing
dunn is an obvious rental, they’ll have to deal with prince for another year.
by Capt Science on Jul 29, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Time to laugh at the Cubs' expense
I met a fairy today who granted me one wish. "I want to live forever " I said.
“Sorry” said the fairy, “I’m not allowed to grant wishes like that!”
“Fine” I said, “I want to die when the Cubs win the World Series!”
“You crafty bastard!” said the fairy.
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jul 29, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 11 recs
Sounds like Fielder won't be going to Texas, as they've reportedly added Jorge Cantu
You know, with his .716 OPS and poor defense…
Also, how did Houston just trade Oswalt away for peanuts and then flip one of those peanuts for Brett Wallace? I think the trade deadline is giving me a headache.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
And now Tejada and his .670 OPS and terrible defense is going to San Diego?
Somehow I’m not sure that’s the “bat” that’s going to keep them competitive.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Is Brett Wallace a huge douchebag or something?
I hear how he’s such a great hitting prospect, but teams seem to just keep throwing him away
Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?
by Lefti on Jul 29, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get it, either.
If I was a Jays fan, I’d be pissed right now.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 29, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the spirit of trade season rampant speculation
Maybe the Jays will go after Fielder. Who do they have in their system to play 1B now besides Overbay (who both sucks and is a free agent after this year?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I think it might hinge on Dunn...
Dunn’s the plan for most of the teams that inquired on Fielder and didn’t like what they heard. As long as they think they can get Dunn for less, they won’t pull the trigger on Fielder, or Hart, for that matter, because Dunn’s more a known quantity. If he lands somewhere tomorrow there’s a chance someone else will get desperate and upgrade their offer.
But, well, meh. If they don’t make a move I’m not going to be upset.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 29, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Dunn makes some sense, but Cantu/Tejada?
Maybe the Brewers should have marketed Carlos Gomez as a big bat instead of Prince.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I don't get that either.
Makes me wonder how interested they were in the first place.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 29, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, Cantu makes some sense...
… He’s going to cost them about 1.5 million for the rest of the year (after the Marlins kick in 600k for the balance of his salary) and he’s a free agent after this year. Way cheaper than Fielder, even if they were able to talk the Brewers into throwing significant money back. With their ownership in bankruptcy, maybe they got the player they could afford instead of the one they wanted.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 29, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Three consecutive bullet points on MLBTR
1. Teams have asked the Brewers about Jim Edmonds, according to Scott Miller of CBS Sports.
2. GM Doug Melvin tells Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel that things are quiet for the Brewers right now.
3. The Rangers pursued Roy Oswalt and Prince Fielder aggressively, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (via Twitter).
One of these things is not like the other.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Doesn't Melvin always say there is nothing going on?
I swear there have been a couple trades or other acquisitions that came immediately after nothing was going on.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Yeah, that's true
But, in good news, we’re still in contention, I guess
The Brewers have decided that they’re too close to contention to sell, according to ESPN.com’s Keith Law. An executive from a club that had interest in a Brewers player explained to Law that Milwaukee has changed its approach to Saturday’s deadline. That means Prince Fielder and Corey Hart are no longer available to teams seeking power bats.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
I guess there's a difference between "close to contention" and "in contention?"
I’d agree that they’re “close to contention,” but I don’t expect them to get any close*er.*
either way
I think that statement is more based on fan expectations and potential ticket sales than anything else…if there isn’t an offer on the table that’s good enough to keep fans coming through the gates then it’s better to stand pat and keep fighting.
Before editing, that paragraph read:
The Brewers have decided that they’re too close to contention to sell, according to ESPN.com’s Keith Law, who said “yeah, I couldn’t believe it either.” An executive from a club that had interest in a Brewers player explained to Law that “Doug Melvin is a fucking moron. He’s actually deluded himself into believing that his team, which is arcing back towards .500 on a pace that should get them there two weeks after the season ends, will somehow put together a 15 game winning streak with one of the worst rotations in baseball and get back in the race with the Reds and Cardinals. I tried to say, ‘well good luck’ but I was laughing too hard so I just hung up.”
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 29, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Seriously....
… if that’s actually true, how stupid is that? Even if you thought it, why would you say it? Why not just stick to your compensation demands, which no one wants to meet, and keep you’re options open for another 48 hours?
It’s almost like he resents the game everyone else is playing. He’s the kid who takes his ball and goes home.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 29, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like something that might have gotten lost in translation
Melvin tells teams that the Brewers need a lot to move Fielder/Hart in order to drive up the price, it gets reported as Melvin saying he still thinks the Brewers can win.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
This is the trade deadline equivalent of "Well, I guess we're out of money."
He’s trying to create the expectation that he’ll stand pat.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You're giving him more credit than he deserves.
He might move one of his BP guys, though. Understand, I’m not complaining. I don’t want Melvin trading Hart or Fielder because I don’t trust him to get value for them. But I don’t think this is a ploy. You could get the same effect by simply saying you’re happy to keep them if you don’t get an offer you like. No, I think he actually believes the idea attributed to him here.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I just hope we aren’t in for years of people complaining that Melvin could have gotten Hellickson/Jennings/Moore/Davis or something, but was too delusional to pull the trigger, based on a second-hand comment from a rival executive.
This is the only source reporting that Melvin somehow thinks the Brewers are still in contention. And why would his “approach change” on an off-day, as if he suddenly realized the Brewers were still in contention on a day with no Brewers game and following an ugly Reds series? It’s just posturing by Melvin, if such a quote was even actually given.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I'm more inclined to believe that there was a miscommunication (your previous argument) than the possibility that Melvin is posturing.
When has he ever done that at the trade deadline? Am I forgetting previous instances? I do recall him saying that they’re done in FA only to see him cut another deal, but I don’t recall him ever doing that at the trade deadline. And again, he can accomplish the same thing with the quotes he gave Haudricourt, that he doesn’t like what they’re getting offered and they’d rather keep the players for next year than accept less than what they’re asking for. That’s a lot more credible.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Combination of both maybe
Melvin says something to the effect of, “If you want Fielder, we’re going to need a big return, since we still think he could help us win this year and next,” it gets reported as “Brewers aren’t selling, Melvin thinks Brewers can still win.”
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Kind of like how the Royals not telling other teams there are any untouchables on their roster
Turns into OMGWTFBBQ THEY MIGHT TRADE GREINKE
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
oh, I'm sorry Fielder isn't available
Edmonds for Greinke then. Hell we’ll toss in a PTBNL: Jody Gerut
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 30, 2010 5:39 AM CDT up reply actions
If the Brewers don't make any moves
I wonder if it would possibly be because Mark A plans on dropping Melvin and would rather have his replacement trade off pieces.
Or
It’s because no one was willing to offer Kevin Mench.
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Chicago
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57 | 77 | .425 | 21.5 | Won 1 |
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Pittsburgh
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44 | 89 | .330 | 34 | Lost 1 |
(updated 9.3.2010 at 9:13 AM CDT)
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