Wednesday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while not asking.
I think Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker summed up last night's game pretty well with this statement:
Did you watch last night’s (Monday's) game? Then you already know what happened.
The only major difference between last night and Monday's game was the shortstop committing the crippling error. Alcides Escobar is getting a couple of days off to attempt to regroup, so Craig Counsell got the start last night and went 0-for-2 with two walks and the error on a double play ball that should have ended the sixth inning. It was Counsell's 37th consecutive game without an extra base hit: That's the ninth longest streak by a position player in franchise history. You know things are bad when sad songs about you start showing up in the FanPosts.
The defensive collapse ruined a pretty solid performance by Randy Wolf, who allowed just one earned run on four hits and four walks while striking out eight in seven innings. Including last night's performance, Wolf has posted a 2.51 ERA in his last five starts and gone at least seven innings three times.That's not bad for a guy Beyond the Box Score named the NL's "Least Cy Youngesque" in the first half.
In-Between Hops notes that the Brewers are last in all of baseball at 28 runs below average in John Dewan's Defensive Runs Saved stat.
Meanwhile, George Kottaras continues to serve as Randy Wolf's personal catcher, and had his usual struggles defensively.
Corey Hart went 0-for-4 last night, ending his hitting streak at 20 games. By my count, that gives Casey McGehee and Yovani Gallardo the active lead among Brewers: Both have a hit in three straight games.
Other notes from the field:
- Prince Fielder was hit by a pitch last night, his 12th of the season. I'll let Plunk Everyone take it from there.
- Madison Bumgarner, Pablo Sandoval and Randy Wolf are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- CoolStandings has the Brewer playoff chances at 1%, their lowest since June 10.
- Here are the MLB.com video highlights.
Off the field, the Brewers reversed course on Yovani Gallardo and placed him on the DL one day after saying they didn't think they'd need to (FanShot). They used the open roster spot to activate Doug Davis, who will have a couple of extra days to hang around as an unnecessary member of the active roster before starting on Friday.
Meanwhile, trade conversations appear to be warming up. The Giants have reportedly targeted Corey Hart, so the speculation is all over the place:
- El Lefty Malo predicts that pitching prospect Michael Main will be involved if the Giants make a deal this month. Main was acquired when the Giants traded Bengie Molina to the Rangers. He's 21, has a 3.39 ERA between high A and AA this season, and John Sickels graded him as a B prospect before the season.
- Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News doesn't think a move is imminent: He says the Brewers haven't mapped out a trade deadline plan yet, Doug Melvin and Brian Sabean hadn't had any meetings as of yesterday, and he doesn't think the Giants would be willing to overpay to get Hart this early.
- Jim Breen of Bernie's Crew says Doug Melvin "would be crazy not to pull the trigger and trade Hart in the coming weeks."
- Baseball Brew has a look at what the Brewers could expect to get from the Giants.
Elsewhere in trade rumors, FakeTeams thinks Prince Fielder could be a fit for the Rockies.
If you've heard Doug Melvin talk about trades recently, you've likely heard him make the case that it's easier to get a solid return from a trade during the offseason, when more teams are looking for help. In-Between Hops challenged that notion, and makes a strong case.
It seems like idle speculation at this point, but that's what trade season is for, right? Buster Olney raised the possibility of a three-way trade between the Mariners, Rays and Brewers involving Cliff Lee, Rays rookie pitcher Wade Davis and Brett Lawrie. (h/t Battlekow)
Ryan Braun went 0-for-4 last night and failed to reach base for the third straight day. The Brewers Bar wonders if anything is wrong with Braun, or if he's simply regressing. Meanwhile, R.J. Anderson of FanGraphs has a look at Braun's position among the league leaders in infield hits.
In the minors:
- On the field the affiliates went 3-2 last night, led by seven scoreless innings from Josh Butler for Huntsville. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- Butler is just one of several Stars that have been pitching well lately: Huntsville starters have posted a 1.29 ERA in their last nine games.
- If you're looking for something to do once you're done with the Mug this morning, the Stars are playing an early matinee, with first pitch scheduled for 10:15.
- In one of the season's greatest upsets, Jake Odorizzi beat out Scooter Gennett destroying a snowman in Wisconsin's fans' choice bobblehead voting. Odorizzi bobbleheads will be given out to the first 1000 fans at the September 2 game.
- The Helena Brewers have a player map showing the hometowns of the players on their roster.
Voting continues for the SBN Wisconsin Hall of Fame: The poll is open for Marquette nominations over at Anonymous Eagle, so head over there to cast your votes. Also, if you haven't yet, don't forget to vote in our nomination poll here at BCB, which is open until Friday.
Around baseball:
Orioles: Placed pitcher Kevin Millwood on the DL with a forearm strain, and released third baseman Garrett Atkins.
Padres: Released catcher Eric Munson.
Reds: Placed Aaron Harang on the DL with lower back spasms.
Today's All Star notes:
- Matt Holliday will compete in the Home Run Derby, as will Robinson Cano, Miguel Cabrera, David Ortiz and Vernon Wells. So the AL field is set, while the NL still needs two more sluggers. It's possible Prince Fielder could join them, but Trenni notes that it's very rare for a non-All Star to compete.
- Yankees closer Mariano Rivera is going to skip the All Star Game to rest a nagging oblique injury. No replacement has been announced.
This is the coolest Sausage Race knockoff I've seen in a while: The Tri-City ValleyCats have a mayor race.
Speaking of cool things, if you're into charts and graphs you might be interested in this look at how a release point can affect a curveball's effectiveness.
This is why you don't leave the game early: Last night the Rockies became the first team ever to score nine runs in the bottom of the ninth to win, beating the Cardinals.
There was a scary moment last night in Arlington, as the game was delayed for 16 minutes while medical personnel attended to a fan who fell from the second deck. The fan is reportedly conscious and able to move all extremities. The four fans he landed on were treated at the ballpark, and none of their injuries are believed to be serious.
On this day in 1900, Kid Nichols of the Boston Beaneaters beat Chicago 11-4 and picked up his 300th win. Nichols, who was born in Madison, was only 30 years old at the time and is still the youngest player ever to reach that mark.
On this day in 1978, Mike Caldwell and the Brewers shut out the Yankees, 6-0. Caldwell shut out the Yankees three times that season.
Happy birthday today to:
- 2009 Brewer R.J. Swindle, who turns 27.
- 2003-04 Brewer Dave Burba, who turns 44.
- 1987 Brewer Len Barker, who turns 55.
Trying to assess the baseball knowledge of someone around you? Then it might be good to know the Infield Fly Rule Rule.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to find a fountain.
Drink up.
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I had no idea a fan had fallen and later died at Miller Park this year...
So, so sad. Hope the guy from Arlington is alright. Very scary.
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
Gotta feel bad for Counsell and Wolf.
Counsell was absolutely beside himself last night.
Wolf pitched a gem.
Doug Melvin walked past me after the game last night in the club level. He was talking to a younger, shorter guy, I’m guessing an assisstant or a scout. Whoever it was, it wasn’t Brian Sabean.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
I think it was KL.
Clearly, Doug learned from a highly-influential, fan-run Brewer blog that the Snowman had foretold JJ Hardy’s decline.
SRS BSNS
June 6th, 2010 was my anniversary.
My wife and I went to Gingerrootz.
Did you mean last night?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Nope
I was home last night, cursing at my TV, giving up on the game early, playing Rock Band and eating cake.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
That's why he added cake.
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by tcyoung on Jul 7, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Noah, I like you.
But between your crusade against TWSS and this comment about Rock Band, I think you have some things to learn about fun.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Jul 7, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, playing with other people makes it more fun.
But if your playing by yourself, it gets old fast.
Also, Mario Party or Mario Kart are way more fun.
False
Mario Kart was fun when I was 9, Mario Party wasn’t even invented until I was too old to play it.
Rock Band > both
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
You weren't even born when the NES came out
so, I’m fairly certain you can never pull the ‘Mario trump card’.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
If you haven't played Super Mario Galaxy 2
you can’t accurately make that statement. I’ve been playing video games for 26 years and the only action platformer I can put in the same sentence with Super Mario Galaxy 2 is Super Mario 64 and I LOVE Super Mario 64. I still give the edge to Super Mario Galaxy 2.
There are few games that I feel are worth their $50-60 pricetag, but SMG2 would’ve been worth $100.
I missed the release of NES in the US by a year
that’s close enough for me :)
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
I've had enough of this upstart Mario guy
I remember when he was just a barrel-jumping fool, fighting for space with Pac-Man and Defender.
by nullacct on Jul 7, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pitfall on Intellivision
ahh, memories
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose the fact that he had short black hair might have been enough of an alibi for you.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Rock Band for what system?
wait I think we walked this path once…you’re playing on Wii right?
If its 360, we can have a jam session.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Wii is for Girls
Get yourself a 360 and start shooting things ;) I would recommend a game like Grand Theft 4 free roaming Liberty City gunning down everyone in your path can be very therapeutic when the Brewers have you all pissed off
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
The Wii is fun man
But to each their own
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
by Michael M on Jul 7, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I refuse to play GTA
I’m not usually one for morals in video games, but GTA makes me sick to my stomach.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 7, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow
That sounds a lot like my night. Just substitute the cake for a Five Guys burger.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jul 7, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
TWSS
literally, I suppose.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I loved the fries
You better loved fries though, because a regular order is probably about 5 potatoes worth. The burger was really good too. It’s a little too expensive though. I went there with my sister yesterday and it was $20 just the two of us.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jul 7, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
I wouldn’t go that far. I’d say they’re about equal.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jul 7, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
False
Five Guys is much better. And this is coming from someone who’s a fairly big fan of Culvers
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Either way
$6 is too much for just the burger.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jul 7, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll pay that for better quality
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
i also enjoy culver's
but notsomuch on the five guys. my favorite is lucky’s, followed by BLT burger, then shake shack. actually culver’s and in’n’out are in there somewhere.
if we’re talking about chains with more units, then i still am not a fan of five guys. i’ve heard lots of good things about smashburger. has anyone tried that?
I've had smashburger.
I didn’t care much the one time I got the burger, but the chicken salad and chicken sandwiches are good. I always get them with the guacamole and jalapeños.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
That doesn't include a drink either.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Jul 7, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yech. I couldn't stand the fries.
They weren’t salty enough, weren’t crispy enough, and they used a different oil, which I didn’t like.
You’re right, they do give you a LOT though.
It's peanut oil. Much healthier for you
Just a tip for the uninitiated.
A regular fry is enough for two people. You get a cup of said fries, plus they dump another scoop of them in the bag for you. So, you essentially get two full orders of fries that sells as a regular fry.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
It's healthier, but to me it's a funny taste.
The burgers make up for the poor fries, though. Absolutely great.
If you are eating at 5 guys are you really all that worried about eating healthy lol
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
That's what I was gonna say
I guess the peanut oil makes up for the 1000 calorie burger?
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It was probably Backtocali
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
*GASP*
J’ACCUSE!
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on Jul 7, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Baggarly : Sabean :: Rosenthal : Boras
Except he’s driving DOWN the price.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
I believe Heyman is Boras' guy
This past off-season I called Heyman scottboras.com on Twitter and he blocked me. My life has been better since.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Jul 7, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah yeah its Heyman
How could I mess that up?
Sigh.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
hahaha that's pretty funny.
both the fact that you called him that, and the fact that he blocked you.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Fixed
Peter King/Chris Mortenson : Brett Favre ESPN’s entire NFL staff + Peter King : Brett Favre
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Saw on MLB network last night
the DBacks have a race with Randy Johnson, Mark Grace, Luis Gonzalez and Matt Williams.
Kind of creepy.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Hey Rubie
I signed up with Anonymous Eagle just so I could give my lone Wisconsin HOF vote to Tom Crean.
Am I a bad person? Probably.
Get a ife broseph
Yeah, they had a fan vote.
I was going to vote for Counsell, but if I remember right, they needed some sort of proof you were an Arizona resident or something.
LaRussa seemed to press the right buttons
He sent his closer in with the score 9-4 1 out man on 2nd and 3rd. When it was 9-7 with 2 outs and the tying run at the plate, the Cardinals outfielders were playing no doubles (with a groundball pitcher) and had two balls fall in front of them to make it 9-9. There was nothing LaRussa could do about the two homers his closer gave up.
Normally I’d wonder what the manager was doing that he let a 6-run lead slip away, but I don’t think he could’ve done anything else.
I don't.
I hope this loss scars them for the rest of the season.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jul 7, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
YES!
Great stuff when crap like this happens :)
by Bush League All Star on Jul 7, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
another thing that should worry the Cards and the Uptight Citizens Brigade
The fact that their Ace Carpenter got shelled by the Brewers pathetic offense. After pounding him they have scored 3 runs in 27 inning.. Makes you wonder if that shot off his arm was worse than they are letting on.
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
ha!
i like that — “uptight citizens brigade”.
as for the offense, i don’t think it’s pathetic, just manic-depressive.
Fixed:
Meanwhile, George Kottaras continues to serve as Randy Wolf’s personal catcher, and had his usual strugglesdefensively.
Shruggity.
Escobar
Can we say he’s a bad defender? Should we? His ‘superior range’ allows him to ‘get to more balls than most SS would, and thus makes more errors on rushed throws’, right apologists?
I guess I expect good decision making, too. Hopefully that comes sooner than later. If the Brewers are going to wait for years a la Rickie Weeks for Escobar to finally ‘figure it out’, then we WILL be playing for 2017, as Mykenk so loves to straw man.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Its hard to tell the difference
With 5 or 6 people saying it all the time, I’d guess at least half are straw manning.
I wasn’t positive with you, but I thought maybe it was since I thought I remembered you saying you thought the team could make the playoffs next year.
Maybe I’m just crazy though.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He's having a bad defensive year
No idea how to project that for the future.
Escobar had good scouting reports coming up (almost universally) so i don’t think you can make a Weeks comparison. Either way, we’ll find out as I don’t think the Brewers have plans to replace him.
Get a ife broseph
I wasn't comparing him to Weeks, per se
I was comparing the club’s attitude towards a Weeks project to what they will possibly feel towards Escobar.
Also, obviously, Carlos Gomez.
I don’t think that’s a ‘win now’ mentality, despite everything Mark Attanasio has said.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's weird
because wasn’t the glove supposed to be the good part, and the bat needed to develop? It’s anti-Weeks.
Shruggity.
the thing that worries me most about escobar
is that this all seems an awful lot like the tale of jose offerman when he first came up. good glove, questionable bat… but then he was also known to boot the routine play and make spectacular ones. i suppose some would be happy with that career, but i was never a fan.
He's been average to above average according to UZR/150 this year
No, he’s not playing at +10-15 UZR/150 (yet), but he isn’t in “bad defender” territory yet either.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jul 7, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I think everyone knows UZR fluctuates greatly
until there’s about 3 years worth of data.
See also: Jason Bay.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Jason Bay’s numbers were a product of the weird park he played in (not a problem for Escobar). And I think a half seasons worth of UZR data is enough to reflect how a player has actually performed, just not enough to make any claims about his defensive ability.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jul 7, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You're saying a .1 UZR and a .3 UZR/150
is average to above average? And then you’re saying that’s how he’s performed this year? You’ve watched the games, right?
Minimum 300 Innings, based on raw UZR, there are only 10 SS that are worse than .1 UZR, out of 30 total, thus far. Based on the same criteria but filtering by UZR/150, there are 11 worse than Escobar.
So, I’d qualify that statement with a comparison to the other SS playing in MLB right now.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jul 7, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
0.0 UZR/150 is supposed to be around average. That may not be the case among full-time starting SS yet this season, but it’s still how the stat is defined.
I’m not saying Escobar has been living up to his defensive potential, but he has also clearly not been “terrible” or even comparable to Weeks.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jul 7, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem in this argument and with UZR as a whole
Is that we treat UZR as one number, when really it’s not.
A shortstop and a left fielder accumulate different volumes of defensive opportunities, so while it might take an outfielder 3 years to develop a good sample size, a shortstop accumulates chances faster.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Similar to this, and worth noting
Is that it separates out range and errors. Escobar’s range has, so far this year, been rated about 1.8 runs above average (IIRC) by UZR, but he’s been about 1.7 runs below average in terms of committing errors. So if you believe that the errors are something he can learn to cut down on, that’s somewhat encouraging. Obviously the range number isn’t much to write home about, but it suggests that the numbers don’t COMPLETELY disagree.
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It takes three years worth of defensive plays to get a good sample size for a player’s defensive talent, but not necessarily for a player’s defensive performance over a smaller period of time.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jul 7, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
braun injured?
A comment on fangraphs suggest braun has been playing poorly since being hit on the elbow by tommy hanson may 10
I only watch the games for Taiilgate Tips.
by jmag043 on Jul 7, 2010 1:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Brewers Bar post mentions it too.
But makes another fair point in response: If he’s hurt because of getting hit by a pitch, and the injury was something he was able to play though, he realistically should be healed by now, nearly two months later.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
It's not the injury itself so much as the impact of the injury
I think we just had this discussion with Gallardo. The abdominal strain isn’t necessarily the danger so much as how it changes a pitcher’s delivery and additional injuries that accumulate from that (let alone a drop in performance).
Braun might not be sore anymore, but if he’s still unconsciously protecting the elbow in some fashion then it’s still affecting his performance at the plate 2 months later. Anyone care to find visual evidence on where he’s been standing in relation to the plate before and after the HBP, for instance?
One of Braun’s biggest strengths is his 2-strike hitting and it’s in part because of his ability to cover the entire plate so well. If he’s positioning himself even only 3 inches further back in the box, then he’s going to lose power to the outside of the plate and we’d see it in his 2-strike hitting.
We probably can’t see it in his 2-strike pitching now, because he’s down across the board. Stupid correlated statistics.
Cano just pulled out of the home run derby.
Think Omar Infante is replacing him.
Shruggity.
by Mykenk on Jul 7, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I always miss the days with the good discussions
Sometimes I hate when twitter is blowing up
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jul 7, 2010 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
But...but...Lebron is going to sign the day after tomorrow!
And if you step away from Twitter, how will you know who’s going to interview him on ESPN!
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