Tuesday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while getting that deep clean feeling.
It didn't happen until August, but the Brewers have finally begun selling off spare parts, dealing Jim Edmonds to the Reds for outfielder Chris Dickerson (FanShot). Dickerson has spent most of the 2010 season rehabbing a wrist injury, but is a 28 year old with a career .274/.367/.421 line in 466 major league PAs, and as Tom Haudricourt noted, he's under team control through the 2014 season.
Here's reaction to the trade from around the web:
- Pat Andriola of FanGraphs says it wasn't a poor trade for either team, but thinks the Reds may have overpaid.
- Brewers Daily says "landing Dickerson was an excellent acquisition for the Brewers."
- View From Bernie's Chalet prefers Dickerson to Jody Gerut.
- EMoney from Quevedo at the Buffet is in favor of the deal.
- Disciples of Uecker says everyone won.
- Reaction around the Reds blogosphere is somewhat mixed.
- The official site has Edmonds' teammates' reaction.
- John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer has Edmonds' reaction.
- Craig Calcaterra notes that Edmonds has played for four of six NL Central teams.
- Eric Karabell of ESPN.com says Lorenzo Cain is the big winner in this deal. (h/t Jordan Schelling)
On the field, the Brewers stumbled to another disappointing loss last night, as John Axford blew a one run lead in the ninth (with his first multi-walk outing of the season) and Trevor Hoffman blew it wide open in the tenth, inspiring one Brewer fan to create this statement on the Brewer season (h/t Morineko).
The tenth inning also featured some curious intentional walk decisions. The Brewers Bar has a look at them.
Acquiring Dickerson might have been a good move, but getting him to Milwaukee sounds like a comedy of errors. While Jim Edmonds arrived in Cincinnati last night in time to start for the Reds, Dickerson missed his flight and didn't arrive at Miller Park until the tenth inning. Dickerson hasn't played since Tuesday while dealing with a death in the family, but has also known about the possibility of a trade since Ryan Braun alerted him days ago, so I'm not sure what the explanation will be.
Dickerson's absence came at the worst possible time, as both Ryan Braun and Corey Hart missed last night's game with injuries. Braun is dealing with a contusion on his left wrist and was seen wearing a splint in the dugout last night. Ken Macha said "it may be several days" before he's healthy enough to return. Hart, meanwhile, is dealing with a sore back, but was healthy enough to pinch hit in the ninth inning last night.
The roster crunch forced Ken Macha to go with a somewhat bizarre lineup last night, with Joe Inglett in left, Alcides Escobar in right and Escobar and Craig Counsell batting #1 and 2, with Rickie Weeks in the 3 spot. Escobar and Counsell combined to go 1-for-8 with a walk.
Another day, another conversation about HBPs. Three Brewers were hit by pitches last night. Plunk Everyone has much more, but here are the three tidbits that jumped out at me:
- Fielder was hit for the 19th time, tying Rickie Weeks for the major league lead.
- With last night's loss the Brewers dropped to 4-1 in games where they've been hit three times.
- Weeks and Fielder need one more HBP each to become the first teammates with 20 HBP since 1911.
Other notes from the field:
- The Brewers had eight hits last night, all singles.
- Stephen Drew, Lorenzo Cain and Trevor Hoffman are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Here are the MLB.com video highlights.
- The Diamondbacks have won five of seven games, and Bob Nightengale of USA Today notes that interim manager Kirk Gibson is making a strong case to keep the job.
Braun might have been out of the lineup last night, but he was still the NL Player of the Week last week, after hitting .538 with a .586 OBP.
Might we finally be seeing an actual shift in organizational strategy on pitchers? These comments from Mark Attanasio to Don Walker of the JS over the weekend might suggest that the team is changing their approach to throwing money at free agents, and looking to rework the pitching staff via trade.
In the minors:
- The affiliates went 2-3 last night, with Wisconsin getting home runs from Khris Davis and Chris Dennis en route to a 9-6 win over Clinton. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- Mark Rogers had a rough outing for Huntsville on Sunday and was nearly immediately placed on the DL, which caused many to fear the worst. You can take a deep breath, though: Rogers is just dealing with a blister.
- Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus recently called Jake Odorizzi "one of the better arms in (the Midwest) league."
- Odorizzi was #2 behind Brett Lawrie in Bernie's Crew's August top 30 prospects.
- Here's a rare Kieschnick Alert: Battlekow noted that Huntsville outfielder Chuckie Caufield has pitched in five games this season and has allowed just one hit in 3.2 innings. He's also hitting .277/.364/.426.
- Wisconsin is letting fans bring their dog to the park on Sunday. I'm planning on bringing Gorman, so get your tickets now if you've ever wanted to meet him (or me, I guess).
I know a lot of people don't like Bud Selig and the monument will likely be defaced and vandalized more than once, but if you're interested in honoring one of the key figures in bringing baseball to Milwaukee and keeping it there then mark your calendar for August 24, when the Brewers will unveil Selig's statue outside Miller Park.
The next statue should be Molitor's. The B-Ref blog notes that Molitor is third all time with 20 "perfect games" as a hitter, and eleven of those games came as a Brewer. Molitor is the leadoff hitter and third baseman on View From Bernie's Chalet's all time Brewer roster.
On power rankings:
- MLB FanHouse has the Brewers at 17, up eight spots.
- Craig Calcaterra has the Brewers at 21, holding steady.
Here's the latest on the SBN Wisconsin Hall of Fame:
- Bucky's 5th Quarter nominated Alan Ameche and Chris Chelios.
- Brew Hoop nominated Oscar Robertson.
- Acme Packing Company closed out their nominations with Reggie White.
I don't usually promote other sites' events in the Mug, but I'll make an exception for this one. I was already planning on attending Miller Park Drunk's Pants Party at the end of the month, but I'm even more excited about it now that I know they'll be serving "Drunken Polish Sausage Mac n Cheese."
Around baseball:
Cubs: Placed catcher Geovany Soto on the DL with a shoulder sprain and placed Derrek Lee on the bereavement list.
Dodgers: Designated outfielder Garret Anderson for assignment and signed pitcher Geoff Geary to a minor league deal.
Giants: Designated pitcher Todd Wellemeyer for assignment.
Mariners: Fired manager Don Wakamatsu.
Nationals: Placed pitcher Ross Detwiler on the DL with a hip injury.
Rays: Placed pitchers Jeff Niemann and Wade Davis on the DL with strained shoulders.
The Dodgers DFA'd Anderson to make room for Jay Gibbons, who will make his first major league appearance since appearing in the Mitchell Report. Craig Calcaterra wonders if Gibbons is planning on living up to his promise to make a donation to the Dodgers' team charity.
I don't spend a lot of time on spring training facility drama unless it affects the Brewers, but this could have a minor impact: The Nationals are considering leaving Space Coast Stadium in Viera for greener pastures, and Space Coast Baseball has a look at how this could impact the Brevard County Manatees, who also use the park.
Brandon Phillips is taking a lot of heat this week for some comments about the Cardinals he probably should have kept to himself, but I'll give him credit for saying what a lot of us have been thinking:
"I’d play against these guys on one leg," Phillips told Hal McCoy, a columnist for the Dayton Daily News. "We have to beat these guys. All they do is b—- and moan about everything, all of them. They’re little b——s, all of them. I really hate the Cardinals. Compared to the Cardinals, I love the Chicago Cubs. Let me make this clear: I hate the Cardinals."
It's only fitting that the Phillips story would come out on the same day as this one about Chris Carpenter berating Brendan Ryan for taking too long to get ready for the first inning.
Happy birthday over the (long) weekend to:
- 1996-97 Brewer Chuckie Carr, who turns 43 today.
- 1997 Brewer Gerald Williams, who turns 44 today.
- Helena Brewer Mike Brownstein, who turned 23 yesterday.
- 2008 Brewer Mike Lamb, who turned 35 yesterday.
- 1995-99 Brewer Scott Karl, who turned 39 yesterday.
- 1994-95 and 2000 Brewer Bob Scanlan, who turned 44 yesterday.
- 1986 and 1988 Brewer Jim Adduci, who turned 51 yesterday.
- First base coach Ed Sedar, who turned 49 on Sunday.
- Doug Melvin, who turned 58 on Sunday.
- 1954-57 Milwaukee Brave Ray Crone, who turned 79 on Saturday.
I know today's Mug is late, so I saved a few minutes by not seeking out a closing joke. Then I lost those few minutes when I misspelled "saved" about seven times in a row.
Drink up.
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Now I remember
Dickerson is boys with Braun. The Deputy GM is at it again.
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 10, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions
Wasn't he the one in all the pictures at Braun's Remetee unveiling party?
by Bush League All Star on Aug 10, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. All I needed to jog my memory was the photo at the top.
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 10, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't happen if I didn't see it
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 10, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Brandon Phillips is now my favorite non-Brewer
He should get a standing ovation the next time the Reds come to Miller Park.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 10, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 25 recs
And ditto.
Brandon Phillips is a man among men.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 10, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I were not such a cheap south side Pollock I would buy one of his jerseys
by Saberilliterate on Aug 10, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I never had a problem with the Reds
This just gives me more reason to hope they beat out the Cards. Go Reds!
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 10, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't Joey Votto say something similar about the Cubs around the All-Star Break?
And somehow we’re the ones everyone’s plunking?
by dickie_thon on Aug 10, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
He later said it was all tongue-in-cheek
I really hope it wasn’t though
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Brandon Phillips is a true american hero.
I hope he can persuade the Reds to do something like untucking when they play St. Louis.
You're reaching nullacct rec levels with this post.
Never underestimate the power of Cardinal hatred.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 10, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Punniest/Worst. Headline. Ever.
Lorenzo Cain is willing and Abel
And Brandon Phillips is right. F*ck the cards, except Pujols, who is awesome to watch.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
He's actually underrated
:-P
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
by GoGregGo on Aug 10, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't watch Albert.
You behold Him.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on Aug 10, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
But never look him directly in the eyes. It is a sign of dis-respect to the game
by Saberilliterate on Aug 10, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Like opening the Ark of the Covenant
Your face probably melts if you look into them too long
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 10, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Also like the Ark of the Covenant
Don’t ever, ever accidentally touch him. He will burn you with His Holy Passion for the Game.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 10, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
you guys do realize he's the best non roided hitter i've ever seen
and the 2nd best hitter since mays. I’d put Bonds over him, but that’s it
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt
And assume he’s non-roided.
But that’s immaterial to the fact that he’s an uptight, arrogant asshole.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 10, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
be that as it may
he still is the best hitter
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I don't really care about steroids
It just seems weird to assume that Albert never used them
Get a ife broseph
who is?
a-rod? I’ll take albert and his 5 fewer seasons to catch a-rod’s 28 win lead. BTW, albert has a 40 fielding run lead
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Does that means Pujols will be the best hitter in 5 seasons?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yeah, A-Rod is better.
And if you going back to “since Mays,” Hank Aaron was much better.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
And if you're going to go back even further...
there’s George Herman Ruth.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
That Ted Williams guy did pretty well for himself
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Well, no one can have everything
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
So?
I respect the skill. Doesn’t mean I can’t still mock the guy for being the type of person that he is, which is a far more important attribute in the grand scheme of things.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 10, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
mocking pujols is like mocking kobe if he didn’t get all rapey that one night. I guess I just repect and enjoy the skill like everyone did with MJ despite how big of a prick he is.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
how does this change anything
Just because he’s good doesn’t mean he’s not a pretentious prick.
i'm not saying he isn't pretentious
i’m saying he’s a phenomenal hitter who I enjoy watching.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
LOL
Just as I envisioned it
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 10, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
full of shit and blames everyone else….
by Saberilliterate on Aug 10, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Selig statue being unveiled
Seven feet tall. A propos. Makes up for shortcomings….
Statistics: A bunch of numbers looking around for an argument. G. Burgy, Rockville, MD
by heybatterbatter on Aug 10, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
you know, a lot of people dislike selig for the union blocking PEDs
but for the most part, you can’t find a more successful commissioner. From the wild card, to the ridiculous success of mlbam, he’s made baseball viable and profitable for years and years to come. Without him, there’s a good shot at the MLB being on par with the NHL
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I think we're more upset about how he ran the Brewers
He brought them to Milwaukee and kept them in Milwaukee, but it wasn’t a very good product he was putting on the field. He gets grudging appreciation.
Let him have his seven foot, self-paid
erection in front of the MLB headquarters. If we want a seven foot statue in front of Miller Park, I think it should be of a taxpayer from Wisconsin who is paying for it.
Statistics: A bunch of numbers looking around for an argument. G. Burgy, Rockville, MD
by heybatterbatter on Aug 10, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
There's enough idol worship without statues of owners..
“It’s become an abusive relationship, between fan and sport, and every owner is complicit”.
—Dave Zirin, author of Bad Sports: How Owners Are Ruining the Games We Love
http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Sports-Owners-Ruining-Games/dp/1416554750
Statistics: A bunch of numbers looking around for an argument. G. Burgy, Rockville, MD
by heybatterbatter on Aug 10, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Speak for yourself
My family abandoned Christianity in 1970 to soley worship Bud Selig.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 10, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is whatever it is.
A great man celebrating his greatness on the public’s lawn?
Statistics: A bunch of numbers looking around for an argument. G. Burgy, Rockville, MD
by heybatterbatter on Aug 10, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for asking...
Public financing: $310 million (77.5%) via a five-county, 1/10th-of-a-cent sales tax.
Private financing: Brewers ownership contributed $90 million (22.5%).
A July 14, 1999 crane accident killed three construction workers and delayed the ballpark’s opening by one year. The crane collapsed while lifting a 400 ton section of roof and caused $100 million in damages.
Ballpark ownership is split between the Southeast Wisconsin Professional Baseball District (64%) and Milwaukee Brewers (36%).
http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/national/milwaukee.html
Statistics: A bunch of numbers looking around for an argument. G. Burgy, Rockville, MD
by heybatterbatter on Aug 10, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
More info on the Southeast Wisconsin Professional Baseball District...
“The Southeast Wisconsin Professional Baseball Park District is a special district that is a local unit of government, a body corporate and politic that is separate, distinct and independent from the state. The District is comprised of Milwaukee, Ozaukee, Racine, Washington and Waukesha Counties. The District has been charged with the oversight and monitoring of planning, financing, designing, constructing, commissioning, operating and maintaining Miller Park. The District is managed by an appointed Board of Directors comprised of thirteen individuals representing the five county area.”
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Anyway...
1. The statue wasn’t his idea… I believe it was the Brewers organization.
2. The statues of Aaron and Yount were paid for by his foundation (not using taxpayers’ money). I believe this statue is being paid for by the Brewers.
The reason they are putting up the statue is to honor the man who brought baseball back to Milwaukee after the Braves left town.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
1. Miller Park is owned by The People
.2. “The statue wasn’t his idea…” The statue should be the people’s idea, shouldn’t it?
Aaron and Yount were Bud’s ideas and how convenient he gets to be associated with Aaron and Yount. I’m sorry, people with Selig’s biases aren’t worthy of statues. The money involved in this sports monopoly should be enough to make anyone puke. Starting with the cost of a frickin’ beer.
I’m a fan of baseball, NOT baseball owners. (I believe this was made clear at the outset of this subthread.)
Statistics: A bunch of numbers looking around for an argument. G. Burgy, Rockville, MD
by heybatterbatter on Aug 10, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It may be owned by "The People"
but it’s managed by 13 people. I don’t think Bud approached them about having a statue of himself put up… more likely it came from one of them or the idea was presented to them by someone… and they approved it. They don’t need to get people’s approval for it.
One could argue that without Selig… Miller Park wouldn’t be there and Milwaukee would never be associated with Yount.
Although you may not like it, professional baseball is comprised of players AND owners. You don’t have one without the other.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I really wouldn't mind
If the MLB was run like the NHL. Players sign long-term deals, and there aren’t only 3 or 4 teams that contend every year.
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra
Good idea
Have World Series games on Spike TV or anothe network most fans don’t get. ESPN wouldn’t care enough to show highlights of the sport, and championship teams have to be broken up because they don’t fit under a salary cap.
Get a ife broseph
4 of the 6 games
of this year’s Stanley Cup finals were broadcast on NBC, the rest were on Versus, which is a basic cable channel like TBS, which broadcasts MLB playoff games. The NHL has also experienced record ratings that are likely to continue to improve.
As for your second point, that’s exactly what I want to see. A high turnover rate keeps fans of teams in all markets interested and makes the sport more popular nationwide. Plus, if you can’t build a championship team with the same resources as everyone else you don’t deserve to have a championship team in my opinion.
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra
To each their own I guess
I like MLB being really popular – I wouldn’t want them to make changes to turn into a niche sport like hockey.
Get a ife broseph
Record ratings
Compared to their past ratings. If you compare the ratings to the World Series, NBA Finals or Superbowl, they are still a distant fourth.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Imo
The Selig statue should look like this

by nullacct on Aug 10, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
Fatter than Joey mentioned it at the end of a thread yesterday
It’s worth repeating for those who didn’t see it: Melvin may have gotten more for six weeks of Edmonds than for two years of Hardy.
I don’t necessarily agree – Gomez’s potential, etc., etc., – but it’s kind of scary how close the returns were.
They may not all use UZR
But most teams (besides the Phillies, who don’t use stats) have some sort of in-house defensive metric, and would have seen some value in Hardy as a defender.
Get a ife broseph
Paulie, of the Dan Patrick Show:
“How about your [Dan’s] boy, Jim Edmonds. Going from the couch to a contender just like that!”
I don’t think they know he was with the Brewers bc nobody corrected him.
Goooooo-mez!
by Drew C on Aug 10, 2010 11:57 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
They usually don't correct each other unless it's important
A rule in broadcasting is to avoid contradicting what anyone says unless it’s necessary or egregious. If the conversation continued to revolve around a player is coming out of retirement to play in August for a contender, then I imagine they would’ve made the correction.
An item curiously not being bid on yet
No opening bid for $2,000:
Owner Suite Package for 20 – You and 19 friends will enjoy watching the Brewers vs. Cardinals game on September 8 from Mark Attanasio’s Suite. (Suite located on the Field Level, 1st baseline) Includes ballpark fare food, non–alcohol beverages and a visit from General Manager, Doug Melvin. Also included are passes to watch batting practice on the field and 20 autographed Doug Melvin bobble heads.
I wonder if they’d have a bid already if the part about Doug Melvin wasn’t in there…
$2000
is pretty steep for something you’re probably just going to get thrown out of once you see Melvin enter the room.
“What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner* for?”
*Feel free to replace an appropriate Brewers player such as Nelson Cruz
More appropriate:
“Why didn’t you (or any other team) put in a waiver claim for Cruz when Texas DFA’d him in 2008”
Get a ife broseph
Curious
If the Brewers did put a claim on Cruz, would they have had to work out a trade with the Rangers and add him to the 40-man roster?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
How about we all chip in and bid on this?
We can all wear BCB shirts and once DM walks into the suite, he’d know what was coming next.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Is it kind of like what happened to Angelica Houston
In “The Grifters”?
Or like what happened to Vincent Donofrio in “Full Metal Jacket”?
The trade
The comments on the official site out-OV OV.
Here is my perspective on the deal.
This is the best deal* that Doug Melvin has orchestrated in the last few years, and is frankly a very solid deal for the Brewers.
Lets break it down a bit.
Jim Edmonds was signed to a 1 year contract (no options for a second year) and was making less than $1M in salary. In other words, he was a great piece to have around. However, due to being retired last year, he apparently (correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t see him on projection lists) doesn’t qualify for the Elias Type A/B rankings. So, even if Edmonds DOESN’T retire before next year, we don’t net any draft picks by keeping him through the end of the year (and him signing for another year). It’s also doubtful, given his age, that we’d want to keep him around for another year, given also the gambles with old players-signed-to-big-but-short-contracts that didn’t work out this year (Hoffman, Zaun, Counsell). Edmonds was batting .286/.350/.493 this season (avg/obp/slg) and a .284/.376/.527 career, along with about a 110 OPS+ in the last 5 years. Defensively, he was pretty okay this season too. The player we’re getting for him has a career MLE of 0.212/0.288/0.332 (and a AAA MLE for the past 4 years of about .240/.340/.390), clearly a step down from Edmonds, even despite an overall .274/.367/.421 line in 466PAs of MLB action. Lets not be overly optimistic of his ability based on his minor league numbers this year (which are based on an ungodly .500 BABIP). Regardless, he seems a lateral transfer to small upgrade from Gomez’s 242/.291/.347, but we may be lucky and get a McGehee-type that exceeds his MLE at the big league level (as he has done thusfar). Also, he may be assisted with a platoon-type situation. Even though he won’t give us Edmonds-like value this season, the overall value of this season is low anyway and he might be able to give us greater contract value than Edmonds, plus WAR in a year that we have a chance. I also don’t think it blocks us from signing a big name free agent in the offseason, as Cain’s play thusfar this season seem to be justifying an extended look this season and in spring training next season without a cagey vet getting in the way. Overall, I give this trade a 9/10
*at the time of the deal
Other deals
Hardy for Gomez. We had a gap at centerfield that internal options weren’t too spectacular (ie Hart again in center or giving the day to day job to Gerut). That being said, Gomez was a vanishingly small return for Hardy. All told (and not considering either the poor performance/injuries of Hardy or Gomez this year) this one gets about a 3/10 in my book, which is partially influenced by the deal the Tigers were apparently willing to offer.
TGJr for Gerut. This was a fairly lateral move. Giving a son-of-a-legend that sucks at the game of baseball for a backup outfielder. It allowed both fanbases to get what they want without breaking the bank for either team. Perhaps Melvin could have extracted more out of the Padres, but what he got was a okay to good deal. Too bad Gerut is injured this year. I give this trade a 6/10.
CC Sabathia for LaPorta, Brantley, et al. This was not a selling or straight-up trade situation. The price was high for Sabathia but we were desperate. I was down on giving up LaPorta and thought it’d never work out. Sad to lose Brantley, but that was partially influenced by him being a PTBNL who was named AFTER the results of the key piece were in. I was giving this deal about a 3/10 until the results came in, after which I give it a 9.5/10. I like being revisionist.
Matt Treanor and Misty May for a bag of balls. At the time it looked like we had plenty of catchers and Kottaras seemed to be outperforming Treanor (and Zaun was a lock for the starting role). Maybe he was higher on the depth chart than Lucroy or Salome, but he would have demanded a major league contract, so had to be moved. I can’t be bothered to look up what we got for Treanor, but I’m giving this one a 5/10. Sometimes you’re just forced by a situation into making a trade. There’s no way Melvin should have seen Salome’s washout coming, although maybe he should have seen the need for depth for Zaun, but you really don’t need to carry two backup catchers on your bench, unless one is significantly skilled enough to backup at third or some such place.
Yikes, feel free to hide this post if you think I should fanpost it. But e-mail me the contents before you do so:P
Question though for the LaPorta trade...
Did we trade one or all 9 LaPortas?
by Bush League All Star on Aug 10, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Coming around
Since 7/29 LaPorta has a .275/.355/.500 line with 2 HR, not bad. I love using Pecota as the main source for my projections and they love 2nd half performances. So maybe this means that for next year, if he keeps it up, he projects as at least a 3 WAR player.
Brantley not doing well at all down there.
That is a lot to project based on two months
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
This comment...just...wow
“If you take away our super slow start we are in contention in this division”
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
yeah...
there were a few other doozies.
Clearly, a fair number of fans with internet connections (or rather mostly one fan that posted about 20 different messages in the same thread) think that this deal sucked, because we were virtually guaranteed to make the playoffs this season if we just made one trade to bring in pitching (for Edmonds no less) by the trade deadline.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 10, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll raise you:
It makes no sense… Edmonds brings more than just his skill and ability to the club… He has been on a championship team… He knows that it is like to be part of a winning team for consecutive seasons…
SRS BSNS
I did enjoy how that guy thinks he needs three periods between sentence fragments
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
I was very disappointed to lose Misty May
but otherwise think you got these about right
I thought your analysis was an official site comment you had reposted.
And I thought, “No, this isn’t OV at all. It actually involves rational analysis. Look! He’s acknowledging that Tony Gwynn Jr. is bad! And he just used MLE! Who is this that’s taken over Old Vegas?”
Then I realized it was yours, and rightness was restored to the world of Brewers commenting.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 10, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry for throwing you for a loop
glad that by the end of the “article”, I’m not confused for Old Vegas
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 10, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
what were the tigers ready to offer for hardy?
by ilikeburritos on Aug 10, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
Which is probably the biggest problem I have with Pags post. IMO, you cannot rate that trade using an offer from another team that never happened.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I thought they were quoted as looking for a shortstop
and were willing to offer a pitcher and later traded said pitcher (as I recall). I know the specifics weren’t detailed and other pieces of the puzzle weren’t defined, but the “fact” (based on quotes from the Tigers’ GM) that Doug Melvin never called the Tigers about a potential trade leaves one scratching the head.
Based on what made the press, it sounds like Melvin only contacted a couple teams to shop Hardy and settled for what seems on the outside-looking-in like a low offer.
I didn’t intend to claim that the Tigers offered pitching for Hardy, just that they might have been willing to and Melvin dropped the ball in favor of a quick sale.
I’m glad you don’t have any larger problems with my post than that:)
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 10, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
i think the only pitcher the tigers traded in last offseason was edwin jackson(or was it the white sox?). edwin jackson would have been a very useful pitcher for the brewers. and considering that lorenzo cain was very close to coming into the majors, there is no excuse not to have traded hardy to the tigers
by ilikeburritos on Aug 10, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Except Hardy wouldn't have been nearly enough for Jackson
And then we’d be throwing in quality prospects for an overrated pitcher.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Cain
I also don’t think Cain was close to coming to the majors back when the Hardy trade occurred. He had injury problems in 2009 and what little he did play wasn’t impressive.
It wasn’t until this season that he really turned it on at the minor league level.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
For tonight's game (and I guess now), here is what I think is the auction list for the commercial free game tonight.
Upon further reflection, auction is a weird looking word.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 10, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
Highlights of the Auction for those who might not be able to access links at work.
Items
*Party in the Clubhouse
*Party for 25 at Friday’s Front Row
*Hitting Clinic with Dale Sveum & Casey McGehee
*Pitching Clinic with Trevor Hoffman and Rick Peterson
*Owner’s Experience for 5
*Authenticated Game-Used Baseball (OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
*FOX Sports Wisconsin Broadcast Package
*Owner Suite Package for 20
*Racing Mini Sausages Opportunity
*Coach First Base at Spring Training
*2011 Fantasy Camp
*The “Perfect Package” – basically a Prince Jersey, signed cards from players, and on the field for batting practice.
*Groundskeeping Experience – doing chores for the Brewers
*The Ultimate Backyard Tailgate
and my personal favorite
*Get Thrown into the Dugout by Prince Fielder – This gift package allows you to pitch for the Brewers. After you suck so bad and give up 15 ER in .1 innings, Prince Fielder will come to the dugout and palm your skull to toss you into the Gatorade cooler. While this is going on, Manny Parra will cower in the corner to give this the authentic feel of being a bad Brewer starter!
Wait…
by Bush League All Star on Aug 10, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just keep cool
We’ll be fine if we just go the speed limit… lemmitt…. hahaha that’s another one of those words
#59
Ok, someone please tell Axford that he doesn’t have to try to “live up” to the previous guy who wore that number.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Tonight's lineup:
Cain CF
Dickerson RF
Weeks 2B
Fielder 1B
McGehee 3B
Inglett LF
Escobar SS
Lucroy C
Parra P
Enter the Dick!
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
Yeah, just saw that
He switched em after the initial lineup.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 10, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah...Dickerson is negative value in right for some reason
could be a sample size deal though
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 10, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I kind of like this lineup...
except for the fact that Braun and Hart are missing from it.
Weeks was never really a prototypical lead-off guy, so Cain could be the leadoff hitter of the future.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.






























