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Some things to read while making the most of it.

Manny Parra bent a lot but didn't break last night, allowing ten baserunners (four hits and six walks) in 5.1 innings of work but allowing just one run. Jordan Schelling noted that he needed 106 pitches to complete 5.1, while Arizona starter Barry Enright got through the fifth with just 69. Parra walked the leadoff man twice in the game and had runners in scoring position with less than two outs in the fourth, fifth and sixth. The fact that he was able to work his way off the tightrope a couple of times is encouraging, but the fact that he was out there in the first place was not. Tom Haudricourt noted that Parra has failed to complete the sixth in eight of his last nine starts.

After an adventurous day Monday, Chris Dickerson made his Brewer debut in center field last night and went 0-for-4. The Official Site has a look at his long road to Milwaukee, which included a taxi that no-showed and some game bats left behind. Adam McCalvy reports that Dickerson is wearing #11 now, but will switch to #7 once the equipment staff has it ready for him. The LA Times notes that Dickerson is the latest in a long line of Brewers from the San Fernando Valley.

Ryan Braun was out again last night and remains unsure how long he'll need to rest his injured wrist. He was healthy enough to pinch run in the ninth inning, though.

Lorenzo Cain got his first start batting leadoff and playing right field last night, and went 1-for-3 with a walk. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker says "young players like Cain give us reason to watch as the season drags into the dog days of summer."

The Brew Town Beat has quotes from Ken Macha and Manny Parra after the game.

Other notes from the field:

Rickie Weeks batted third last night for the second consecutive day, and went 1-for-4 with no RBI. USA Today notes that he's still on pace for 102 RBI from the leadoff spot, which would be a major league record.

Trevor Hoffman got the day off last night, but moved into ninth place on the all time list with his 1023rd career appearance on Monday. He now needs 27 more to tie Kent Tekulve for eighth.

Jonathan Lucroy went 1-for-3 last night but 0-for-3 throwing out baserunners. Beyond the Box Score has a graph showing the Brewers getting the ninth least production in baseball from their catchers.

In the minors:

The Brewers will unveil a statue of Bud Selig in a couple of weeks, but at least one notable writer wishes they'd scrap the plans: Jim Caple of ESPN makes the case against building monuments to owners (h/t BBTF).

On power rankings: SB Nation has the Brewers at 19, up one spot.

Around baseball:

Dodgers: Released outfielder Garret Anderson and placed shortstop Rafael Furcal on the DL with a back injury.

Things turned ugly in a hurry in the first inning of yesterday's Reds-Cardinals game, as an argument between Brandon Phillips and Yadier Molina turned into a bench-clearing brawl. While Phillips and Molina started the fracas, it sounds like Cardinals catcher Jason LaRue got the worst of it: He reportedly has a concussion after being kicked in the face by Reds pitcher Johnny Cueto.

Interestingly enough, neither Phillips nor Molina were ejected, but both managers were. That gave Tony La Russa some time to work through some issues from the night before: He told reporters he vomited four times in the clubhouse while watching the game.

Also, even after being publicly called a "whiny bitch," La Russa still doesn't get it. Red Reporter nailed it with this note:

I love this, from ESPN’s story on the brawl: "La Russa wasn’t happy with Phillips’ comment and mentioned it to Reds general manager Walt Jocketty, who worked with him in St. Louis."

Let me translate that for you: "LaRussa wasn’t happy with being called a whiner, so he went and whined to Walt Jocketty."

While we're on the subject of nemeses, here's a story from Hardball Talk piling on former Pirates pitching coach Dave Kerwin Joe Kerrigan.

Oh, and here's a note on Jeff Karstens: R.J. Anderson of FanGraphs notes that he's one of the best pitchers in baseball at throwing strikes. That makes his inability to avoid hitting Brewers seem pretty strange.

And as long as I'm piling on, I might as well include this note on Jason Kendall too: Joe Posnanski notes that Kendall is still playing every day in Kansas City despite a 73 OPS+ and zero triples and home runs.

For all our uni watchers out there: The Nationals took BP last night in Montreal Expos hats. If the Nats occasionally broke them out, I think the Expos unis might be the most popular alternate jersey in baseball, and perhaps in the top five in all of sports.

If you've been reading his site, you might know that friend of the site Larry Granillo of Wezen-ball recently gave a presentation at this year's SABR convention in Atlanta on the career statistics of Charlie Brown. The full presentation is now available online, and comes highly recommended.

On this day in 1961, Warren Spahn won his 300th game, beating the Cubs 2-1. On this day in 1971, Brewer pitcher Skip Lockwood's solo home run was the Brewers' only run in a 2-1 loss to Detroit. Lockwood's shot was the last by a Brewer pitcher until the team moved to the National League.

Happy birthday today to:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to change clothes.

Drink up.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like the Brewers at this point...

I’ll take whatever I can get.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course LaRussa also had to go on and scold the Fox Sports guy

for asking about the brawl, saying it was “disrespectful” to bring it up. Really? I don’t think I’d make it through 5 seconds of a LaRussa press conference.

by travwood81 on Aug 11, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh Tony...

Looks like he’s up to his old tricks again…. stealing the communion wine and trying on Lord Pujols’ uniform.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I should've probably thrown "Tony LaRussa" into quotes

But he’s already attaching his name to too many stupid quotes lately.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Make it green, people!

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

British wit at its finest

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on Aug 11, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

"He probably got sick trying to swallow his ego"

according to a perceptive reader at Hardball Times…

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on Aug 11, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like Suppan got in the middle of things

Link

I, for one, am glad he didn’t get hurt. I want him to blow games for the Cards down the stretch.

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 11, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

And now he's on the DL!

But apparently not because of anything that happened during the fracas: he’s got “right groin soreness.”

Joke goes here.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Aug 11, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

As Brian Anderson would say

“Gro-an.”

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just about to type that

Instead, you get a rec.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got it.

I’m not an insider, so maybe that’s why no pic was in that article for me.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't be disrepectin'

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh, spelling typo

I feel like a moran.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Carpenter - "Super unprofessional. I don’t know where he learned how to fight."

Thanks for clearing that up, Chris. I was foolishly thinking that this is what ‘unprofessional’ looked like.

by CoreySLC on Aug 11, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

My God.

Did Carpenter and LaRussa make a preseason wager on who could be more loathsome?

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Aug 11, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Carpenter for player-manager of the year

Someone has to step in when TLR is too drunk to get up and do it.

Seriously, I think the Cardinals all have careers in preaching once their careers are over.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Carpenter is a "competitor"

which makes it OK for him to be a douchecastle.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

or

a control freak? or a generic headcase?

Brandon Phillips understands.

by hawing on Aug 11, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any of the above?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

A team of Billy Sundays?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Preaching

Of course, they are all disciples of the Almighty Albert.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't remember

Has Carpenter always been a hypocritical jerk, or is this kind of a new development?

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 11, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now I have a couple of 2nd favorite teams

I dont remember seeing that clip, but Edwin Jackson is a minor diety because of that. Good thing Prince Albert the Divine was there to keep the peace and spread the gospel of respect.

He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…

by jarlbartar on Aug 11, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that I like carpenter

But Cueto was fighting like a middle school girl. Who kicks? Especially when no one is really doing anything to you.

by miklovin on Aug 11, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cueto's kicking was ridiculous

What irritates me is the Quorum of Cardinals that use the word “unprofessional” in every other sentence like their shit don’t stink.

by CoreySLC on Aug 11, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to ask them why they continually disrespect the Gashouse Gang

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Dickerson

Otherwise known as “Curtis Dickerson”, I think should be the 4th OF for the team. It seems to me like Carlos Gomez should sit in AAA and/or be cut and/or traded for anything possible (which would be nothing, now).

Dickerson’s MiLB wRC+ was pretty good, and I wouldn’t expect him to be worse than Gomez at the plate. He didn’t look amazing in the field last night, but he was able to correct for a bad read and seemed to take decent routes.

I’ll take it, particularly considering Doug Melvin was able to turn a flier contract on a 40 year old into 4 years of club control of a cheap bench player.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 11:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd release Gomez I think

I like him. He’s got a lot of talent. Unfortunately, I think he’s too old to coach, and what he lacks is good fundamentals.

by nullacct on Aug 11, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

He’s worth something to someone. A release would be a bone headed mistake. Trade him for a few low end prospects or for Jim Edmonds back.

by SgtClueLs on Aug 11, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who's going to make that trade?

I’m honestly curious. He failed in Minnesota, and he’s performed worse in Milwaukee than he did there, and he was bad in 139 PAs with the Mets. If you’re talking about ‘low end prospects’ as in ‘guys who will never, ever pan out’, I guess that could happen.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, maybe

There’s an equal and opposite of Gomez somewhere who needs to be traded away as a clear signal that they’ve run out of patience with them, and one last change of scenery could be the catalyst for them to start taking their career seriously. We trade Gomez for that guy, and hopefully he can pitch?

by nullacct on Aug 11, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oliver Perez?

I’ll pass on the salary. And I doubt the Mets want Gomez back.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is Daniel Cabrera pitching anywhere?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ive got his surplus value

at about $8 million, which is generous if you dont think he will ever improve, and cheap, if you think he can turn things around at the plate. He does have a history in the game as a guy who is an excellent fielder, bunter and base stealer after all….

If they mad the trade, they could get a decent pitching prospect in return, with the right partner. Guys that come to mind are Phillipe Aumont in the Phillies system, chad James in the Marlins system, Fabio Martinez or Tyler Skaggs from the Angels also work. of course none of these guys are mlb ready or on a mlb roster, so they wont even be considered by DM.

At worst from Gomez you get elite defense in CF, an excellent base stealer and bunter, there is value there. Wouldnt be such a bad thing for the Brewers to cash in on it with Dickerson on board now.

by backtocali on Aug 11, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

So wait

people are this optimistic on Dickerson after he’s done… what, exactly?

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where you replying to me?

If so, I’m significantly more optimistic for Dickerson to be the 4th or 5th OF than Gomez. I hope that tells you what I think about Gomez.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know what you think about Gomez

I’m just not sure why you’re more optimistic about Dickerson than… any of the other 4th OF options (Stern, Gerut, Hopper, etc).

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you really just throw Hopper's name out there?

I don’t really give two shits who’s sitting on the bench behind Cain, Hart and Braun. I just don’t want it to be Gomez.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even though

he’s probably a better pinch runner/bunter/defensive replacement at all 3 positions? I’d say he’s an ideal bench player.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Huh?

Does he have a say?

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's proven in the past that he's worse with less playing time

which is saying a lot, considering he’s awful with full-time duties.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh

The anti-Mike Rivera.

Send him down to Rookie-ball, have him and Gerut dominate the league for no apparent reason.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

They can forearm bash when they receive their awards at year's end

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

For example

See 2009 with the Twins.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just looked at that.

Didn’t know if there was an injury, or if he was just benched.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Benched

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Options

Gerut is a FA after this season, so he likely won’t be back.

Dickerson has had some success in his limited MLB experience (Stern doesn’t have this) and has more pop in his bat than Hopper.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't mean he's going to be permanently awful...

Oh wait, that’s not how we work here.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh come on

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's 24.

Too young to be given up on. Sent down for a year so he can get the minor league experience he never really got, sure, but given up on, no way.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now's the time to go ahead and give you some career numbers for Gomez

1373 PA
24.1% K% (and that’s lower than it is this year, his highest ever)
5.2% BB% (lower than this year’s 5.9%)
.242/.291/.347 (his OBP has actually gotten worse since arriving)
.286 wOBA (below replacement)
78 wRC+
-47.2 wRAA

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me ask you this

You think that those 1373 MLB PAs are a fluke?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. I don't.

I think it was a lack of development. Players don’t develop in the big leagues.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

By and large he hit well in the minors

and he did, again, on his rehab stint earlier in the year with the Brewers. Maybe he’s just a AAAA guy.

Why is it a ‘lack of development’, rather than ’he’s a failure at the MLB level’?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because

he had fewer ABs in the minors than in the majors? He was rushed.

Maybe he is a 4A player. Maybe he’s Nelson Cruz, who knows.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, it looks like he's had 1444 MiLB PAs

Minus the 8 from the rehab assignment, and you have 1436. So…

And Ryan Braun only had 836 MiLB PAs, I don’t think anyone was saying HE was rushed.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

didn’t even take that into consideration…

How many PAs did he accumulate there in 4 years? I can’t find a database with the info.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got 616 ABs

722 PA’s.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah saw that too. I think the age is the big difference.

Anytime a 21 year old is given a starting spot and fails, you have to question if he was rushed.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Braun's got 122 more PAs than Gomez does in minors/amateur ball

That’s fairly comparable.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the record, I do understand your point

I just don’t agree with it in Gomez’s case.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't really get what Braun has to do with Gomez's development

But at this point people have their mind made up on Gomez, which is fine.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I don't recall saying Braun has something to do with Gomez's development

I just thought that we should compare two so-called “five tool players”.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which team are we talking about, re:

“gave him a starting job when he was 21” — the Mets or the Twins?

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Aug 11, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't he come up in '07

when Alou got hurt? Did he break camp with the team?

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Aug 11, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good question?

Not sure the real reason why he got brought up at age 21. Just looking at BB-Ref. Brought up in May, hit .250/.303/.333 in his first 40 or so games and got sent back down.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is right:

Alou tore his quad in May ’07, was out until August. CarGo was called up in mid-May, sent back down at the beginning of July, then re-called on September 1.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Aug 11, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

So he was basically rushed to the majors earlier than planned because of an injury? That kind of fits in with how the Mets Org has been run the past few years.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why have a guy in AAA if you aren't going to call him up when an injury occurs?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because you want him to develop against high level pitching?

Isn’t only getting to play because someone got injured the definition of being handed a job?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Adam Stern got handed a job earlier in the year?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, he wasn't 'handed a starting job at 21'?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

He’s more talented than a lot of (if not most of) the players at the AAA level. He can get by on natural ability down there, where he can’t up here.

I dunno. I’m worried that he’d use the same approach he’s had with the Brewers, hit .280 at AAA and think: “See, I CAN do it this way.”

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Aug 11, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with .280?

It’s above his career minor league BA.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nevermind.

I figured your point out.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least I remember him having options.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's got 1.

Unless that was someone else. Which it probably was. It’s either 1 or more than 1…

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewerfan.net has him with two remaining

Looks like his first option was used in 2007, has been in the majors since.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be a good organizational philosophy in pulling off trades

“He’s awful, but he might not be permanently awful!”

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

because the Phillies

have been trying to stretch him out into a starter and the adjustment has not gone well.

he is probably still a decent prospect as a closer or 8th inning guy, imo.

by backtocali on Aug 11, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ug

relief pitcher prospects are not prospects. They are failed prospects.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewers have enough pitching prospects that are possible bullpen guys

I know we’re just talking random minor league players, not sure I even brough up Aumont being bad, doesn’t matter.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, there's no way Carlos Gomez is netting any of those guys.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, I don't think GMs are going to be looking at your surplus value when making trades

They will, however, look at Gomez’s history of failure.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

They might also

look at his age, and our shitty coaching staff.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on

How about the Mets shitty staff? Or the Twins? He’s been with the Brewers for significantly less time than those two organizations. It MUST be that all three are incapable of coaching the guy, right?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

He needs time in the Minors

he never really got it. I’m saying he’s got developmental issues that MLB coaches aren’t used to/shouldn’t have to deal with.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does he have options left next year?

Or how long can they keep him in the minors?

I think that is a better alternative than trading him for crap or just cutting him loose.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

1 option, I think

not sure how long they can keep him down, don’t know anything about MILB free agency.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes he has options

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

So....

You’re ignoring this sentence:

It seems to me like Carlos Gomez should sit in AAA and/or be cut and/or traded for anything possible (which would be nothing, now).

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I may have glossed over that.

See if Cain can be any better the rest of this year, spring training, w/e. I still think our best OF has both of them in it, but, admittedly, that seems unlikely now.

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by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

He was traded for JJ Hardy just last season. Gomez must have some value if a GM was willing to give up that much for him.

by ecocd on Aug 11, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's only true if...

Doug Melvin were allowed to trade with himself.

by drezdn on Aug 11, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like he did this year at the deadline

Tonight DM will get a first hand look at what holding onto Hart and Fielder could have cost the teams future in Dan Hudson.

by backtocali on Aug 11, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's funny.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

He still has a few more seasons of team control left and he’s still young (24), so he’s still worth something to someone.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Home runs. HMPH. RBIs. HMPH. A spedster craves not these things."

“Your bunting, you must practice.”

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Aug 11, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Go Go: I can't

Yoda: that is why you fail

"It's a joke. It's all a joke.

by WSB Chris on Aug 11, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If nullact could put a convincing Rick Peterson face on Yoda

it might be one of his most impressive ’shops yet. It would be a heckuva challenge to make it look remotely good.

by ecocd on Aug 11, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The gauntlet has been thrown down...

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much he will make in arbitration after this season

Kevin Mench got a raise after his craptaculous end to 2006, so I assume Gomez would get a bump up as well. If so, not offering him arbitration would save the team about $1 million, but who knows if he would be willing to re-sign with the Brewers. Given the team now has a couple other decent and cheaper options for CF and 4th OF, is Gomez worth even that $1 million? A speedy 4th/5th OF and RH bench option would be nice to have and $1 million is peanuts in baseball terms, but the idea is distasteful.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope the Reds stick it to the Cards.

I have a Cards fan who tried to defend Carpenter chewing out Brendan Ryan the game before the brawl. I’m pretty sure I would hate to be his teammate.

And Bravo to Cueto for just letting his feet fly while he was against the netting.

I was sort of hoping that Dusty Baker would knock LaRussa out, but no such luck.

Goooooo-mez!

by Drew C on Aug 11, 2010 11:20 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I have this image in my head...

of Cueto as Brick throwing a trident at Chris Carpenter (or Jason LaRue). Brandon Phillips is Ron Burgundy.

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by Yar Nivek on Aug 11, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't see the video...

… but can I assume that Cueto didn’t intend to kick Molina in the face? I hate the Reds too, but that’s not cool.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Oop.

Should be, I hate the CARDS too…

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

My mistake.

It was just LaRue. Carpenter did say that Cueto kicked him in the back too. I’m going to have to find that video.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check this out...

In this video clip you can see Cueto being shoved up against the net. He’s being pushed pretty far… almost looks like he’s sitting in the first row. I don’t see how Carpenter thinks Cueto can punch anyone from that position.

You can’t see anyone actually get kicked by Cueto, but you do see everyone back up once his feet start kicking.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's getting pushed...

And then he completely freaks out like getting pushed into a net really hurts, and starts kicking people around chest level with his spikes. Seems like a pretty ridiculous overreaction to basically just being held back.

by miklovin on Aug 11, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably.

But he was about 2/3 of the way into the front row, and initially his legs were pinned against the wall while his upper body was still being pushed back. But then the reverse angle is shown and you can visibly see him kicking at Larue and catching him in the chest and face. Cueto should draw 10 games for that. He was no longer in any danger when he did it. Unexcusable.

Concussions are strange things though. Larue is visible after the kicking incident, just standing around, waiting for things to brew up again, showing no sign of injury. Not doubting the injury, just noting how odd it is that symptoms often don’t show up until well after the blow is struck.

Oh and, fuck the Cards.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

And watching both angles, Molina really is the problem there.

He kicked his foot out when Phillips tapped his shin guard and said something. Phillips walked away and took practice swings. That should have been it. Instead Molina stepped out onto the plate and ran his mouth and the benches cleared.

Molina should lose a couple of games too.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Molina overreact at home plate?

That’s unpossible.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wish I could rec this twice

One for the photo, one for the Simpsons’ quote

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 12, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The Reds are almost as ridiculous as the Cardinals. But at least the former are finally calling out the latter, so I can sort of like them for the time being.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Aug 11, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Instead of statues of owners...

… I think the Brewers should put up Awesome Moment placques. My vote for the first “off the field” awesome moment is Kendall’s Dave Kerwin interview. As far as I’m concerned that’s the best thing he did as a Brewer.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

That would be great

The Chuckie hacks interview and Jose Hernandez sitting on the bench to avoid the K record would be good additions.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

“As far as I’m concerned that’s the best only good thing he did as a Brewer.”

Fixed.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 11, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to nominate the Braun and Melvin sheriff-deputy conversation

When Braun’s status goes up, I’d like him to have a deputy badge on his jersey

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd think

he told Susan Slusser or whatever her name is that he didn’t know if he’d ever pitch again.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sad

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on Aug 11, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Wasted talent. Can’t help to think that he’d have been much better if he had at least some sort of dedication to conditioning.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Devil's advocate:

or if the Brewers development staff had had a better idea how to condition pitchers?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also a good point

though it seemed like Sheets showed up to spring training more out of shape than the other pitchers.

Or maybe the Brewers didn’t pay attention to sheets, they were too busy trying to fix their terrible pitchers than keep their one good one from getting out of shape.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Sheets didn't skip any meals

but with Rogers, Jones, Sheets, etc., sometimes 1+1 =/= 3

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought our developmental staff didn't do anything that affected Gallardo and Sheets?

Hence, the only way they turned out to be good MLB pitchers?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 11, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also a good point

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although I realize its entirely possible you're being facetious

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see your point there

But injuries are a part of the game, and Sheets had the pain tolerance of a 3-year old girl. Gallardo seems to be in good shape aside from a freak knee injury and that side strain.

I think it could be a combination of lack of dedication to conditioning, lack of know-how on the training staff’s part, and just straight up bad luck.

I mean, weed suspensions? Arm injuries? Total busts? This is just getting ridiculous. Covey’s career may be over before it even starts for us.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty ridiculous statement on Sheets

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude

I know tons of three year old girls that have dealt with having an entire elbow need to be reconstructed. I think this guys right.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was referring to all the DL stints Sheets had while with the Brewers with odd injuries.

I blame it on his meal of fingernails while in the dugout. I can’t imagine all the crap he ate while gnawing on them.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, thank you

Obviously him tearing his tendon isn’t something he can suck up. Just one long list of injuries for him though, don’t blame him for thinking about giving up after this season.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, wasn't referring to the elbow reconstructipm

I’m talking the hangnails, the blisters, the muscle pulls…if it wasn’t one thing it was another for him. He has the most fragile body.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also rejected a UW-Madison clinic

When he was having the inner ear balance problems, he rejected a treatment at the UW-Madison clinic proven to be effective in a large part of the population with a similar condition because he felt stupid. Glad you care so much about getting back on the field that you won’t even try something that makes you feel stupid. Good attitude.

by ecocd on Aug 11, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're talking about a professional athlete... many of them do stupid things.

For instance, how about a baseball player not doing anything about getting his eyes checked out even though he noticed pitches were looking “fuzzy” until the following season was about to start?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Despite those injuries being "minor", they would still affect a pitcher.

Yes, it seemed like Sheets had more than his fare share of them. I don’t necessarily think it meant that he has a low pain tolerance. I doubt anyone would be able to pitch with a blister or hangnail on his throwing hand. Granted, biting his fingernails probably didn’t help his hangnail situation.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was a huge sheets fan

but the person in know in the FO echoed the comments on him being a bit whiny on minor injuries.

on a side note, i think jim callis or someone else at BA mentioned rick peterson came to the brewers because they were relatively far ahead of other teams on biometrics. if that’s true, was sheets biometrically sound or did he not listen to the staff, or is this the type of injury that wouldn’t be detected?

by Capt Science on Aug 11, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well and I understand that

Plenty of pitchers go on the DL with blisters, cause it affects the way they throw. And I should say I really liked Sheets, I think he’s a great pitcher, and it’s really a shame right now to see his career get derailed like this.

At the same time though, you look at a guy like Dave Bush last year who took a liner off his throwing arm, and still went on to pitch 5 more innings. I feel like if that was Sheets, he would have left the game immediately. It got frustrating cause he was always on the DL and just didn’t seem to be fired up about coming back quickly.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, Rickie Weeks must have said 3 year old girl's pain tolerance too, right?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, first off, that's putting words in my mouth

And second off, Weeks DL stints were nothing like Sheets’.

As I said, injuries are a part of the game, but Sheets always raised the bar on them. Every little thing was treated like a sprain.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, with an ace pitcher, a difference maker, the guy who gives your team a chance to win every 5 days

You’d prefer they were less cautious?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's about the attitude

The feeling that Sheets was taking himself out of the game and keeping himself on the DL taking his rehab slow. It’s more satisfying to see a player have to be pulled out of the game and pushed onto the DL kicking and screaming, even if they are the likes of Gomez.

Sheets showed little fire in finding a solution to his inner ear balance problems and that really rubbed me the wrong way. Shouldn’t you be trying something new every week instead of waiting for it to go away?

by ecocd on Aug 11, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Eh, I guess its about perception

Somehow, you’ve created your own perception that Ben Sheets was this uber pussy, and was all about screwing the team/fans over to be lazy and just collect his riches.

I have a feeling that’s very far from the truth. On top of all of that, what do you think gets reported more—refusing an experimental treatment, or doing what the trainers tell you?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is about perception

And I perceived that through interviews and stuff that he never really wanted to push himself.

I don’t think he was trying to screw anyone over, you play for a team, I’m sure he wanted to be out there, but if he did, he never really showed it.

I’m sure it got frustrating for him as well, and maybe it’s a lot to ask, but sometimes you need to make an effort to let fans and teammates know “I’m really trying hard to get back out there” and not just his “it is what it is” approach he had every time.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't get the same feeling from said interviews

And I also don’t feel an athlete ‘owes it to me’ to tell me he’s trying hard.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, guess agree to disagree then

Like I said, maybe it’s asking too much, just comparing it to interviews like with Yo who said he was doing all he could to get back in ‘08 and did it. I know they’re not the same guy, just how I feel.

Again, don’t hate Ben Sheets, just always had that irking thing with him.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe the problem is that you're comparing him to someone else?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I won't disagree with that

I don’t have a German keyboard. Yes, I have to type ‘heisse’ because I don’t have that key either.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

i use google

type it in engishy, and copy-past from wiki:P Or type u umlaut. Or use the character map.

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 12, 2010 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much what ecocd just said

If he has a blister or something, then yeah, I would like them to be cautious, don’t want him if he can’t pitch effectively. I just had an issue with his attitude, and I think it showed through how management dealt with him.

Without fail, always landed on the DL every year for the last 4 years he was here. Some of those things were just the way he was built, it just got frustrating that he’d always get hurt just when we needed him most. The inner ear balance was definitely one that made me go hmmm.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

See above

What do you know about his attitude? I’ve never seen anything about Ben Sheets’ attitude.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

All I know

is that when his house was on fire, all he could think about was steak.

I know, that doesn’t add to the conversation, it’s just my favorite ben sheets story.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Louisana

isn’t that how they start the grill?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very good point.

I also like picturing sheets going to mo’s in a sweatshirt and jeans….

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which Mo's?

Irish Pub is pretty casual.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, right

the steakhouse

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Relive it

Article Here

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Plaxico Burress can wear sweats to a nightclub...

Sheets can wear a sweatshirt and jeans to a steak house. At least he didn’t have a handgun stuck in the waistband.

Anyway, after reading the article, it doesn’t look like he dressed that way after had plans to go there to eat. It probably was more like he was wearing that when he was evacuated from his condo/apartment. Since the fire dept wasn’t likely letting people back in right away, he figured he’d go and grab a bite to eat instead of standing around.

Maybe the person burned a steak in their kitchen, which gave him the craving. :)

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know that it would have avoided the arm problems...

… but I bet it would have helped limit his back injuries, which cost him both time and effectiveness.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

He basically got everything connecting the elbow repaired.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fights

I wonder what NHL players think when they see highlights of MLB “fights.”

by drezdn on Aug 11, 2010 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

"Pansies"

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

They probably think the relievers running in from the bullpen is just as ridiculous as everyone else does

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 11, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why don't the relievers just run to the opposing bullpen?

Much easier and there aren’t any umpires to break it up.

by ecocd on Aug 11, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Different ballparks have different bullpen layouts.

If it’s at Wrigley, they would need to cross the diamond to get to each other… not much different than simply storming the field.

If it’s at Miller Park, the other team could lock the gate and not let them in.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Locking the door would be un-American

I don’t know whether the Cardinals would consider this respectful or disrespectful. I suppose it depends on who the one doing it was…

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 11, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

What would be "American"?

Leaving the gate open, wait for them to come through, then start throwing baseballs at them?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bullpens should just have a standing agreement that if the rest of their teammates start to brawl...

… they’ll meet on the outfield grass behind second base to make fun of the guys in the “fight”. One side brings the popcorn, the other brings the beer.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's selfish

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

what?

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who knows.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 11, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can live with that

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wants the Brewers to light up Daniel Hudson tonight so as to be able to say "shove it" to backtocali

I’m not judging either way, spade = spade.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I think we could’ve done better than him for Prince, so whatever works

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree

Now, if it was Hudson and Viciedo/Beckham plus one or two lower level pitching prospects, I’d have been all for it. But, Daniel Hudson was not ever going to be the centerpiece of a Prince Fielder deal. That would have been Viciedo or Beckham.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, for me it was pretty much Beckham or no deal

I’m curious if we can get a young pitcher almost straight up for Prince, maybe with a low-level prospect involved too. Would love to see if we could get like Buchholz or someone.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hudson

Was just one of the guys I felt would have been involved in a Hart or Fielder deal.

Perhaps Hudson and Viciedo for Hart

or Hudson and others for Fielder.

by backtocali on Aug 11, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

token "Jeffress has it under control" joke

Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.

by theBrouhaha on Aug 11, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 11, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hehe

You said “toke” … n.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 11, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Lineup for tonight

2B Weeks
LF Cain
RF Hart
1B Fielder
3B McGehee
CF Dickerson
SS Escobar
C Lucroy
RHP Bush

The Caveman Strikes Back

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Dbacks

CF Young
2B Johnson
RF Upton
1B LaRoche
C Montero
3B Reynolds
SS Drew
LF Parra
RHP Hudson

I confused myself for a second thinking Arizona somehow acquired Tim Hudson.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

More like Return of the Caveman

I hope he isn’t rushing himself back. I don’t think we want him to re-aggravate it and making things worse.

And if he does, I’m blaming you… he probably feels insecure after reading your posts about Sheets. :)

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 11, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope he isn't either, Sheets was a special case for me though

We’re in a dead season, no need to rush anything now. I take no blame here!

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know but one thing...

listening to too much Kesha can make you go sterile.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Aug 11, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Escobar has been respectable lately

Not sure what Dickerson has done to deserve a 6 slot, but I guess you have to give him a few ABs off the DL.

by ecocd on Aug 11, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somebody help me out.

Why has Dickerson had such a high BABIP over his career? Is it remotely sustainable?

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Aug 11, 2010 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

This bit of incredibly NOT self aware bullshit from Wainright after today's game:

" It certainly added fuel to our fire when you’ve got guys opening their mouth, saying stupid stuff,‘’ said Wainwright (17-6), who gave up only two singles in seven shutout innings. " But we only used that in a positive way. It’s very unprofessional to fire back."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/gameflash/2010/08/11/31492_recap.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0wL4Z1UwQ

Yes. It’s so professional to choose not to fire back, and then to wait until after the series is over and say the opposing team’s player said stupid stuff. Because saying their stupid is clearly not “firing back.”

Fuck these guys.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Please keep in mind that Wainright plays for the team who initiated the argument...

… when Molina told Phillips by his own admission that “you’re not my friend.” The last time I heard that sentence was from my 5 year old who was crying when he told me what a mean kid said to him at school.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 11, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what I saw

Carpenter sure as heck was trying to fire back.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 11, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if it bothers the Cardinals...

…that all the fans with jerseys are wearing them untucked.

by funnytrain on Aug 11, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I like that idea

I feel as though the Brewers have to be playing better than they have this season for that chant to be OK. Or if the Brewers are up by a good amount of runs against the Cards some game.

by NoahJ on Aug 11, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

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