Rockies 6, Brewers 5
by Fatter than Joey on Aug 15, 2010 5:50 PM CDT
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PrintW: Rafael Bentancourt (2-1)
L: Trevor Hoffman (2-6)
HR: Ian Stewart (17), Troy Tulowitzki (12) (both off of Manny Parra)
MVP: Corey Hart (+.260)
LVP: Trevor Hoffman (-.345)
"Manny's 5+ inning and 100 pitches" Graph and Star of the Game Voting
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For the ninth time in his last ten starts, Brewers starter Manny Parra failed to complete the 6th inning. Parra only walked two Rockies batters, but gave up 6 hits, and needed to throw 100 pitches to get through his 5+ innings of work. On the other side of the rubber, Rockies starter Ubaldo Jiminez pitched 8 innings, striking out 10 Brewers, but the Brewers worked him for 10 hits.
Rickie Weeks led the Brewers with four hits, including a single, a double and a triple. Ryan Braun also chipped in with 2 singles and a double, and Prince Fielder drove in 2 runs with a single.
Both Todd Coffey and Zach Braddock did a good job ending scoring threats from the Rockies, however Trevor Hoffman came into the game in the ninth with the score tied 5-5 and slammed the door on the Brewers, allowing a double, a walk and a walk-off single to Troy Tulowitzki, and handing the Rockies a 6-5 win in the rubber game of this series.
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Hoffman Sucks
I has been advocating letting The Hoff get some saves so he could get to 600, I no longer care if he makes that goal I just want October to get here so I never have to see him in a Brewers Uniform again.
If he could take Manny Parra and David Bush with him when he leaves that would be swell
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
boy am i glad you're not in charge of our front office.
i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!
by sowingwildoats on Aug 15, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we got rid of Hoffman/Bush and Parra in one transaction.
I’d be impressed
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Aug 15, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Never said it had to be one transaction
I meant at the end of the season they can throw all of them under the bus
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
I think statsllc just admitted to premeditated murder.
by SgtClueLs on Aug 15, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, there's really no reason to keep him
But you don’t just toss a legend out with the trash. If I were the owner I’d encourage him to retire and pay out the rest of his contract. The first month probably caused whispers. The second, his friends may have asked him how long he was going to play. The third and fourth deepened concern. The fifth? It’s time to think about the future, and how it’s pretty damn certain that Hoffman won’t be pitching for anyone next year, and he needs to come to terms with his retirement – either now, or at the end of September.
Not to cite a cliche...
but Hoffman might be worthwhile as someone for the September call-ups to talk to. The team could play up how he’s mentoring the younger guys, and let him go out, if not on a high note, at least on a nice-guy note.
by dickie_thon on Aug 15, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Parra fan (what am I doing here then?)
but fandom will not stand for a 5 inning starter, so I’m agreeing (finally) and it’s time to hang this effort up and make Mike McClendon the new 5th starter.
Additionally, with one additional righty in the starter corps and one more lefty in the ‘pen, there’ll be a bit more balance in both groups.
Sorry, Manny, but that soft throw to first was outrageous.
Statistics: A bunch of numbers looking around for an argument. G. Burgy, Rockville, MD
by heybatterbatter on Aug 15, 2010 6:57 PM CDT reply actions
Get off him about the throw to first
everyone screws up from time to time… see: reason the bottom of the 9th even happened yesterday.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
I did some Baseball Ref calculating, and the results are absurd.
Trevor Hoffman’s 2010 stats when entering the game in a save situation or in a tie game:
13.61 ERA, 2.36 WHIP, 4.14 HR/9 (15.2 IP, 6 saves, 2 holds, 5 blown saves, 2-6 W-L)
Hoffman’s 2010 stats in all other situations:
2.35 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, 0.39 HR/9 (23 IP)
Small sample size and all, but Hoffman is an entirely different pitcher in high-leverage situations. How the hell did the all-time saves leader turn into the least-clutch pitcher in baseball?
Timing? 40 years of it.
Statistics: A bunch of numbers looking around for an argument. G. Burgy, Rockville, MD
by heybatterbatter on Aug 15, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Hart MVP?
for hitting a dropped popup? our standards are low. I think we should go for second highest WPA (weeks?)
If Weeks would have hit that pop-up --It would have been caught
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by Fatter than Joey on Aug 15, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
right...but I think we should make exceptions to the numbers
in any case, WPA should be subtracted from the fielder, not the pitcher, for an error – yeah, yeah…I know this isn’t perfect because it doesn’t credit them for awesome plays or punish them for being out of position and not making it to a ball, but it’s better than the game in a vacuum.
I guess there’s no one to credit for the offensive contribution and the final WPA of the two teams have to differ by 1, but I guess you could take WPA from both the fielder and the pitcher and NOT give credit to the batter?
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 16, 2010 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Relevant to nothing
But this picture is really cool. Took me a while to figure out how they did it (shooting it in the bullpen).
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I just assumed Kameron Loe snuck up behind him with a camera
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Aug 15, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
not hard at all to do at Coors
Just look over the rail and shoot. (Incidentally, that’s about the one spot in the park where you can get Sprint cellphone signal.)
You can get some awesome photos of the Brewers bullpen in Miller Park if you sit in the Harley Deck.
I had the privilege of sitting there early last season and got some good pictures of Seth McClung (among others) stretching/pitching.
Perhaps Hoffman could remain in a Brewers uniform for a while longer
if we fire Peterson and move Hoffman to pitching coach.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Not fanshot-worthy
But from McCalvy’s article on the Covey negotiations:
One more note on the signing deadline: I know there has been some interest in the Brewers’ 50th round selection, Chad Jones, a two-sport star from LSU who was also drafted by the NFL’s New York Giants. Jones was involved in a serious car accident in late June, and Seid said that, “based on all the [medical] information that we do have and do not have,” it is unlikely that Jones will sign with Milwaukee.
Bummer.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Yeah
a guy that was never gonna sign, and then suffered a potentially career threatening injury isn’t gonna take our money.
That sucks.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
by Mykenk on Aug 16, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think the thought was that if the injury was bad enough that he wouldn’t be able to play football, he might retire and sign with the Brewers?
If not for signability he was considered a first-round two-way talent
But yeah, taking any risks at all is a bad idea!
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Signing a guy who nearly had his leg severed without getting all his medical info
If that’s an okay risk to take, what isn’t?
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I guess I misread your snark that "taking any risks at all is a bad idea!"
As disappointment the team will not sign Chad Jones, who, as you may know, was in a car accident and nearly lost a leg. As you quoted, the team did not have all his medical information.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
2011 Brewers
Out: Hoffman, Bush, Narveson, Riske, Davis, Coffey
In: Rivas, Jeffress, maybe Rogers
any other pitchers who should be out of Milwaukee?
any other pitchers who should be in Milwaukee?
The question that is easier to answer is:
What pitchers should remain in Milwaukee
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 16, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
you think Jeffress will be in the majors at the start of next year?
I can see a Sept callup two years in a row or him maybe be an injury fill-in next year, but I don’t see him making the team out of spring training or really being any more than a toke-n 40-man roster player at this point.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 16, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
In?
I dont think any of those 3 will be on the team for a long period of time, and Rogers and Jeffress will both be bullpen arms probably.
They probably hold onto Narveson and Coffey as well since they have control of them.
Exactly.
Rivas and Jeffress haven’t even pitched in Triple-A yet, while Rogers was just called up to Nashville.
Gallardo and Wolf have their rotation spots secure. Narveson and Parra will likely battle for rotation spots. Capuano will likely stick around long enough to see if he can make the team in ST next year. Loe might also get a chance to try for a rotation spot. Despite him being used solely as a reliever since he joined the team, Loe was used solely as a starter in Nashville this season.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
narveson isn't very good and coffey is very inconsistent
by ilikeburritos on Aug 16, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
but again
They are both under team control, and to replace them, unless you have internal replacements from the farm system, will be expensive, probably more expensive than what it costs to pay Coffey/Narveson.
As bad as Narveson is, if he is your 5th starter, he’s not too awful. The problem is that the Brewers currently have one ace, a #2 who is pitching like a guy who should be out of baseball, a #3 pitching like a #5, and a #4 pitching like a #5 as well. the guy is actually the 2nd best starting pitcher the team has this year.
The Brewers dont have a #3 or #4 pitching like a #5, they have 3 pitchers who are #5s.
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 16, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
they have a #5, a #8 and a #25
I can assign arbitrary numbers at the drop of a hat!
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 16, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
your proposal of pi
is rather irrational.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 16, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This guy's new favorite person
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
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