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by Kyle Lobner on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 PM CDT in Events

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I have absolutely no problem with resting Gallardo.

I imagine something would have been done if we were in the race, but we’re not. I think it’s a good decision to get him extra rest.

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by tcyoung on Aug 16, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

It is too early to worry about this sort of thing but it's related

But last year when they shut Gallardo down for the final couple weeks, I wondered how teams in playoff races felt about it. It didn’t wind up mattering, but the Rockies got to avoid Gallardo that final week. The same thing could happen this year.

On the one hand, the Brewers have to do what’s best for them and anything can happen but on the other, running out the B team in a game with playoff implications could engender bad blood with other teams. The unwritten rule was always that you would run out the young guys and reserves against other also-rans but if the other team is in the hunt you play your top players. I realize it’s en vogue to snub St. Louis but those two Cincy series in the final two weeks could be important and I hope the Brewers don’t wave the white flag before the games start.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 16, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Teams shut down players at the end of the year all the time. As long as the guys on the field aren't packing it in, it's fine.

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by tcyoung on Aug 16, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions

running out the B team in a game with playoff implications could engender bad blood with other teams …

What are they going to do? Throw at us MORE?

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Aug 16, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Hell if a bunch of us run out there against the Reds I am fine with it

As long as the Cards dont win the division.

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 16, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

But that is the problem

If St Louis doesn’t win, then Dusty Baker does. Of course that means that he will get extended and will be able to ruin Cincy’s arms for another few years.

by Saberilliterate on Aug 16, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions

I am fine with Homer Bailey and Mike Leake's arm falling off due DustyBaker-itis

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions

So...

What’s the problem with that?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 17, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions

"Auditioning" for next year

This isn’t a whole lot different than having Lorenzo Cain up and playing center field. In this case, the Brewers were in a spot where they didn’t have many good options other than bringing up Cain, but it’s a well-accepted practice by all major league teams to put prospects on the field to get their feet wet in the majors. Shutting someone down early because you don’t want his arm going dead or to save the odometer a little isn’t a whole lot different.

by ecocd on Aug 16, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Right

I understand teams want to play their prospects late in the year. That’s fine. What I am saying is teams should put their best team on the field in games that affect the playoff race at the end of the season. Save the kids and proactive rest days for games against fellow teams out of the race.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 16, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

That's doing the kids a disservice

You need your young guys to see Ubaldo Jimenez so they know what’s coming and you want to be able to see how they react to a game when they’re expected to find a way to grind out a win when they can only expect 5 hits as a team for the entire game.

by ecocd on Aug 16, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Bad teams don't have good pitchers?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 16, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions

True, but it's a matter of frequency

Elite pitchers don’t come around all that often. Why limit yourself to those elite pitchers that also happen to be on poor teams?

by ecocd on Aug 16, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions

If we endanger Gallardo to follow the "unwritten rules," then the Cardinals have already won.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Aug 16, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs

Blah blah blah, the Cardinals are horrible people and we must all hate on them all the time

Consider the same situation but without a team from St. Louis involved if you’d like.

I don’t think five or six innings at the end of a 180 inning season is too much endangerment, especially if you give him extra rest against other teams.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 16, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions

I meant it as a joke re: your invocation of the "unwritten rules"

But yeah, I still don’t think the Brewers have any obligation to go out of their way to field the best team possible. There’s a difference between throwing a game and just being conservative with your younger players at the end of the season.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Aug 16, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

So you are saying that they should pitch Yo every 9 days?

Or every time they play a good team?

Why not just run him out there every day?

Putting him out there every 9 days is going to do NOTHING for him. – they might as well shut him down now.

They need to take him up to 180 and then shut him down. Say “Thanks for a great season Mr. Gallardo. You really were one of the bright spots.”

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions

Who said anything about nine days?

Just keep him on a regular schedule with an extra day’s rest here and there if you’re concerned.

What is so special about 180 that they need to shut him down? He’s on pace for around 180 innings, but I don’t think it’s a magic number. He threw 185 last year, no reason he can’t reach that or even more this year.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 17, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions

180 is special because it keeps him in line to pitch 200 next year.

But doesn’t put extra miles on his arm

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions

That doesn't make sense to me

By that logic, didn’t pitching 185 last year put him in line to pitch 200 this year?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 17, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions

It did

But why put 200 on his arm if the extra ~20 IP dont mean anything?

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions

Maybe the goal is for him to throw 220 next year

What makes the 20 IP between 180 and 200 any more special than those from 160 to 180, or 140 to 160, and so on?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 17, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Yep the goal is 220

Because Dusty Baker will be managing.

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions

220 = 33 starts at 6 2/3 IP

That would be a good workload for a guy like Gallardo.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 17, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Because none of the innings mean anything now.

Why not shut him down immediately? Or at the AS break? Or as soon as your team is X games back?

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by Mykenk on Aug 17, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions

As long as they keep his pitch count down in his outings...

I don’t think 200 IP will put any more stress on his arm than 180. If nothing else, I could see them having him start the rest of the season to start getting him used to throwing an entire season.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 17, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions

I would think that the injury risk, as it relates to total IP would be exponential,

so we should be careful assuming that there’s not much difference between 180 and 200.

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by tcyoung on Aug 17, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

"Bad blood"?

You mean the sort of thing that causes opposing pitchers to start throwing at our hitters?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 17, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions

I'd let him keep pitching if he had incentives to reach

But I’d be pretty cautious with his use, and hold him to a strict pitch count to see if he can learn some efficiency while he’s at it.

by nullacct on Aug 16, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions

I doubt he has any incentives (especially this year) that are tied to 200 IP

by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions

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