So Who's The Real Kameron Loe?
We've heard a lot about Kameron Loe this season. He's tall. He used to own a snake. He went to Japan. For a while, he was a bullpen savior. But lately, after posting a 7.71 ERA in his last nine outings, he's become something of a bullpen scapegoat. The problem is, I'm not sure it's his fault.
A brief history
Loe was a 2002 draft pick for the Rangers, and climbed the ladder pretty quickly. He made his major league debut after just his second full minor league season (in 2004, his age 22 season). He appeared in 48 games for the Rangers in 2005, then was used primarily as a starter in 2006 and 2007, posting a 5.54 ERA in 48 appearances (43 starts).
After appearing in just 14 games in 2008, Loe left for Japan and spent a season there, but was relegated to the minors and used sparingly, appearing in just five games for the Fukuoka Hawks. He was signed by the Brewers this spring and sent to Nashville, where he worked as a starter and posted a 3.16 ERA in ten starts, and made his Brewers debut on June 1.
The change
Despite the fact that he had been a starter in the minors and for most of his career, the Brewers put Loe in the bullpen, and have used him a lot. Since his Brewer debut on June 1 Loe leads all Brewer relievers in appearances and relief innings:
| Pitcher | Games | IP |
| Kameron Loe | 34 | 38.1 |
| John Axford | 28 | 32.2 |
| Todd Coffey | 27 | 21.1 |
| Zach Braddock | 27 | 20 |
| David Riske | 23 | 23.1 |
| Trevor Hoffman | 23 | 22.2 |
In fact, after a brief search I was only able to find a few major leaguers who have pitched more often than Loe since June 1, and none of them have pitched as many relief innings:
| Pitcher | G since 6/1 | IP |
| Javier Lopez | 36 | 25 |
| Sean Marshall | 35 | 36.1 |
| Peter Moylan | 35 | 24.2 |
| Pedro Feliciano | 34 | 23.1 |
Historical Context
After allowing a home run to Troy Tulowitzki on Friday, Loe was given Saturday and Sunday off. Even considering that rest, he's pitched 34 times in 65 games since being called up to the majors. Ken Sanders holds the Brewer franchise record for most relief appearances in a season, making 83 in 1971. Loe's pace translates out to 84 appearances over 162 games.
Furthermore, if Loe played a 162 game season at this pace he'd pitch 95 innings, becoming just the second Brewer reliever to do that since 1989:
| Pitcher | Season | Games | IP |
| Ken Sanders | 1971 | 83 | 136.1 |
| Tom Murphy | 1974 | 70 | 123 |
| Chuck Crim | 1989 | 76 | 117.2 |
| Jim Slaton | 1983 | 46 | 112.1 |
| Chuck Crim | 1988 | 70 | 105 |
| Tom Tellman | 1983 | 44 | 99.2 |
| Bob Wickman | 1997 | 74 | 95.2 |
| Kameron Loe | 2010 (proj.) | 84 | 95 |
Entering this season, Loe had never made more than 40 relief appearances in a season, and his major league high for innings was 136. He's already made 34 relief appearances now (plus ten starts in AAA), and already pitched 98.1 innings this season.
Results
Obviously the sample size is small, but Loe has already made ten appearances on zero days' rest. Here's how they compare to the rest of his outings:
| Situation | G | IP | ERA | FIP |
| Zero days' rest | 10 | 8.2 | 4.15 | 3.78 |
| All other situations | 24 | 29.2 | 2.12 | 3.53 |
Conclusion
Over the course of his career, Kameron Loe has not demonstrated that he is an elite major league pitcher, so some regression to the mean should probably be expected. However, the Brewers are doing him no favors by using him at a record-setting pace despite the fact that he's still not very experienced at pitching out of the bullpen.
Certainly, all pitchers have different thresholds and abilities to bounce back, but it's hard to believe a pitcher like Loe could pitch as often and as long as he has without experiencing some fatigue-based issues. The fact that we have to go back 20 years or more to find Brewer pitchers to compare him to should tell you something about how difficult it is to pitch effectively this often.
As I just mentioned, Loe should probably expect some regression to the mean as his season goes along. But given his usage pattern, I think we also have to consider fatigue as a possible, and maybe the most likely, cause for his struggles.
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mark this one for the "macha bullpen mismanagement" file.
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by sowingwildoats on Aug 16, 2010 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Same as Yost, I think.
The meme about an “overworked bullpen” is shoptalk for “the guys I like to use most are not doing as well as when I decided I liked them.” Baseball ain’t rocket science. Managers are full of their own biases. It would be nice if they admitted the obvious. Just compare Riske’s appearance count with Loe’s since Riske has been back. Just one more million dollar placeholder on a team destined for ignominy this year.
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by heybatterbatter on Aug 16, 2010 7:55 PM CDT reply actions
If Riske was more effective, you'd probably see him used more often.
It goes back to Macha’s comment last season about guys dictating how often they play… the better you perform, the more playing time you get.
Granted, there is a line that needs to be drawn at some point.
I think two things are contributing to Loe’s overuse…
1. Starters not being able to go deeper into games.
2. Other relievers not being as effective.
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The paragraph I forgot to include addresses both of these comments.
I think most of the blame for Loe’s overuse falls on Melvin, not Macha.
Sure, Macha has occasionally used Loe when it’s not necessary, but he’s also spent most of the season trying to avoid using Hoffman, Hawkins, Riske and Capuano in key situations. So, even though the bullpen has an extra arm, there’s really only four or so reliable pitchers out there at any given time.
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That there is a book on him now. Its not hard to be lights out when you have a 90+ sinking fastball and no one has ever faced you. I felt that even though he was doing very well, he would get some drop in performance his 2nd time through the league.
I think that blaming Macha is nonsense, just as it was when Yost was being blamed. The players are the ones living and dying by their ability, and if you dont perform well, the only one to blame for that is yourself. Loe is probably one of 2 or 3 pitchers out there who have proven semi reliable, and the alternative, as you mention is much worse. The same people that are blaming Macha for Loe’s problems are the same people blaming Macha for not using other pitchers instead of the weary Loe.
Macha might deserve some blame for overworking Loe
Didn’t he basically do the same thing with Coffey last year when the team had a decent enough bullpen?
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Yep. That's my point. Macha's got his faves. And they get overworked.
And the next palooka that manages the Crew will likely do the same. However, I’m not saying to put it all on the manager. The GM puts the team together ultimately. Melvin has not gotten the job done. Sure, blame the players – the easiest to blame, esp the overworked ones… This is all very interesting but it’s pretty much conjecture.
On a more constructive point, I’d be interested to know whether or not there are stats on judicious, even handed use of bullpens versus those that are less judiciously used.
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by heybatterbatter on Aug 16, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you'd have a lot of noise in with your signal if you tried to figure out that stat.
“judicious, even handed use of bullpens” is relatively subjective. You’d probably find that most “well used” bullpens are also effective, because the major criteria for “poorly used bullpen” is ineffectiveness.
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