UPDATED: Covey going to college, Brewers will get a compensation pick in the 2011 Draft
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 16, 2010 8:18 PM CDT
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PrintAs I write this, it's 8:13 pm. The Brewers have until 11:00 to strike a deal with Dylan Covey. Post a guess in the comments for when the deal gets done, and I'll keep an eye out and post any news as I see it.
- Tom Haudricourt is reporting the Angels have signed prep RHP Kaleb Cowart, the #18 pick, for $2.3 million. That could potentially drive up Covey's asking price.
- Keith Law still believes the Brewers and Covey will get a deal done.
- Tom Haudricourt talked to Bruce Seid, who said talks have broken off. Not a good sign.
- Now Haudricourt's saying Covey is going to college, and "it wasn't about money."
- Baseball Beginnings, via Haudricourt, is reporting Covey was recently diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes.
- Jim Callis of Baseball America is confirming the Brewers won't sign Covey.
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Probably not until the last hour
Still a lot of guys that need to be signed ahead of him, and guys behind him are getting a ton over slot. No one seems to think there’s a chance something doesn’t get done, though.
If I were the Brewers, I'd worry
With Cowart getting $2.3 million and the Dodgers possibly signing Zach Lee for $3 million, if they wait too long to work something out the price may go way up.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
This is irritating
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 16, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions
Sadly, no.
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 16, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Ruh Roh
@Haudricourt
Brewers scouting director Bruce Seid just told me that talks have broken off with 1st round pick Dylan Covey. I’m working on the details.
This is awful.
Half of me knows that we’re hours away from anything happening, and kind of wants to wander off and do something else for an hour.
The other half won’t even get off the couch to get something to drink for fear I’ll miss something.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
And I'm glad I didn't get up.
Haudricourt reports talks have broken off.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Crap
Damn punk kid, get your Jeff Suppan-esque arm into camp and collect your damn bonus baby millions already.
You're thinking of the wrong guy.
Nelson was the guy compared to Suppan.
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Yeah.
It was a terrible comparison. Got people worked up over little to nothing.
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They'll have to spend a year or two following him around at San Diego.
There are worse fates, really.
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At least if he doesn't sign
The Brewers will have two Top 15 picks in a stacked college pitcher class. There’s always that, right?
Yeah, but the compensation pick they'd get for not signing him is unprotected.
So teams have been very conservative selecting players with them, because there’s no compensation if you don’t sign them.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
they don't*
(ie – if they don’t sign the 15th pick in 2011, they don’t get anything for 2012)
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Could go either way
Supposedly a very good draft class, but Covey seems like he has quite a bit of upside compared to a 15th pick.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Definitely
I’d rather have Covey, too. And like Kyle said, the compensation pick probably wouldn’t be very sexy in that scenario.
Not me.
I’m sick of this kid.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
by Mykenk on Aug 16, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
His dad is the one making decisions.
He’s go a ton of potential and it would really be a shame to see him get away.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 16, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Then I'm sick of this kids family
hire an agent, douche.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
by Mykenk on Aug 16, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's an amateur eligibility issue.
If he hires an agent, he can’t go play college ball.
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If he hires an agent
he loses his amateur status.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 16, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
This worries me too.
If his dad’s going to play hardball on a contract like this, are we going to hear from him again if he thinks his son’s sitting in Helena too long? Or if the Brewers limit his innings?
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His dad hasn't seemed that unreasonable to me
Asking for $2 million for Covey given the amount of money being thrown around by other teams is justified, though obviously we don’t know what he’s asking as of right now.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
If he was still asking for $2 million, I think the deal would be done.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Via Bernie's Crew on Twitter:
Could the #Brewers be bluffing, only to come back w/ a higher offer just before the deadline?
I think it’s a strong possibility. Fits the typical “nothing is happening, except for that thing we’re not talking about” pattern.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
But wait....
… I’m already enraged and saying irresponsible things. Don’t they know if it works out now I’ll look like an idiot who comments while under the influence of Spotted Cow?
Selfish bastards.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Every team always needs pitching, assuming he actually turns out to be a major leaguer
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
of course Melvin won't be around
but if he does, i’ll facepalm so hard and often that there will be a clear imprint of my hand on my face
by ilikeburritos on Aug 16, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
well
the FA’s gonna be a mess in the offseason, we’re not so sure about Arnett, maybe with the arrival of Odorizzi and Heckathorn the need won’t be so great but the more good arms the Brewers have, the better
by ilikeburritos on Aug 16, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
We're not sure about Odorizzi and Heckathorn either.
please don’t act like we are.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
yeah, i know
but they have potential based on what we’re seeing from them. i do acknowledge that it’s too early to tell
by ilikeburritos on Aug 16, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless this kid is asking for the moon, we really should be signing him
He’s asking less than what we paid for half a year of Trevor
Not happening, maybe.
I just spoke with Brewers scouting director Bruce Seid and he told me that first-round pick Dylan Covey has decided to go to the University of San Diego rather than sign with Milwaukee.
Seid said I’d have to get the specifics from the Covey family and I have a call in to them. He did tell me, “It wasn’t about money.”
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Not necessarily their fault.
Not going to go crazy to sign a kid who wants to go to college. If the demands never went above 2M, it sounds like he had doubts about signing from the get go anyway.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
From what I remember
the kid wanted to sign from the get go.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 16, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh.
Well, that’s weird. Wonder why the demands never went up, then? It’s not possible that the Brewers didn’t want to give the kid 2M…
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
A number of pitchers who seemed to be considered worse than Covey have been getting like $2.3+
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Well, right
but the article says his demands didn’t go up, so it leads me to believe that things broke down on the Covey end?
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
UC San Diego I could understand.
But University of San Diego? Huh???
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
This quote angers me, and I'm not sure why.
“No one is excited about this. But I do want to say we had a strong draft with our other picks. We still feel this is going to be a good draft for us. Dylan was just the cherry on top.”
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
I know why.
It’s because you’re not an idiot. Imagine your Mom just gave you a shit sandwich and told you it was peanut butter and jelly. That’s what the speaker just did.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also something to consider
This year’s HS crop would be the ones getting screwed if the next CBA involves hard slotting. Everyone’s going to try to squeeze out every last dime as a result.
Of course, then I see the comments about it not being about the money, so that goes out the window with Covey, I guess.
If they go to hard slotting, it would only hurt Covey though, wouldn't it?
Unless he thinks he can be a top 5 pick out of college.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I guess it'd mean it really wasn't about the money.
I suppose if you’re 18 hanging out in San Diego for a few years isn’t a bad alternative.
I'd take the 2 million dollars, thanks.
Imagine if you were 18, and you had a chance to make $2 million guaranteed. If he goes to college, who says he’ll even be as high of a draft pick in 3 years. Lots of players go lower, and it’s tough to raise his stock much higher than it’s already at. He could blow out his shoulder and wind up not making any money at all.
If he gets hurt in the minors, at least he has that 2 million bucks to go back and get an education with.
Well, best of luck to Covey, at least he gets a free school..
http://www.mlbsoup.com
That pretty much what I was thinking
He could sign now and collect $2 million guaranteed. Or, he could not sign, and risk not getting signed, or getting signed as a later pick, in 3 years because teams don’t want to take the risk on someone with diabetes. Why not just sign?
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 16, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the Brewers don't want to take the risk?
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
This is what I'm thinking.
Following the diagnosis, I suspect he was given the option of signing a discounted deal or going to college and getting a chance to prove he can get it under control.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Given the diabetes revelation, I'm not sure $2 million was ever on the table.
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If they didn't know, then all bets are off
Pressed up against a deadline and discovering you have a disease I’d say ‘no thanks’ and just take a period of time to focus on evaluating my health. Makes sense.
is it some form of illegal discrimination to not offer him a contract based on that?
or since MLB isn’t an equal opportunity employer, they can do whatever the f*ck they want?
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
?
They offered him a contract.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I believe they offered him the minimum salary without bonus. Don’t think they are required to offer slot bonus.
Get a ife broseph
any idea how Loux failed his?
or confidentiality of medical records and all?
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
At least it's an excellent year to not sign your first-round draft pick.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Aug 16, 2010 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I can't feel too bad about it that way.
Hell, next year’s pick could very well be in the majors sooner than Covey.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Now, Daniel Gibson?
He was supposed to be their backup after all, wasn’t he?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I think it's possible that's why they're giving up on Covey early.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Grading drafts makes no sense to me
After the first 1-2 rounds player evaluations seem to be extremely subjective even for professional scouts.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Also, depending on who we pick at #15 (or whatever) next year, losing Covey could be good or bad
Won’t know until then.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Right
but as mentioned before, it’s likely to be a pretty conservative, pretty signable pick.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Still
this saddens me. for at least a year i can only say what if?
by ilikeburritos on Aug 16, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You can always say what if.
Not like the draft’s been historically successful for the Brewers anyway.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Dunno about that
Seem to be painting with to wide of a brush.
Pitching drafting yes, bats… they’ve done a pretty good job.
How good or bad not signing Covey
probably can’t be determined until Covey and our #15 pick next year develop. If Covey turns out to be the next Josh Johnson or David Price and #15 turns out to be Mike Jones, it will probably be bad.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 16, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, I'm ready to downgrade this draft now.
In a year where you’ve only got one first rounder, with no sandwich picks and a low second rounder, there’s no acceptable excuse for drafting a guy you can’t sign with your only chance.
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Neither you or I can say that or the opposite with any certainty, because we've never met the kid.
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Maybe not with certainty
But I think it was pretty reasonable to have expected him to sign.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I think the point is moot.
If Covey has in fact been diagnosed with diabetes, as mentioned below, then a new explanation enters the fold.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
If the Diamondbacks don't make an offer to Barrett Loux, do they still get a compensation pick?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
"It's not about the money" = "We wanted more money and a promise that the girls in Appleton would be as hot as the girls at SDSU."
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Too bad
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Syllogism Fun.
Major premise: All lawyers are assholes.
Minor premise: I am a lawyer.
Conclusion: I am free to laugh my ass off if Dylan Covey blows out his elbow next year.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 9:26 PM CDT reply actions
I KNEW I paid all that money for something.
SRS BSNS
by Rubie Q on Aug 16, 2010 9:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well this is interesting
Via Haudricourt:
Baseball Beginnings’ twitter site says Brewers’ first-round pick Dylan Covey has been diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Or if he failed his physical.
Then it actually might not be about the money.
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Yup
changed my mind. I assume we would all have known this already, unless it was recently discovered.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 16, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Or unless...
… the Brewers kept quiet about it until they realized they weren’t going to sign him and then fed someone the information to make him look a bad risk.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
But since we’re dealing with a for profit corporation whose profitability is tied to public perception I’m not sure it’s all that much of a stretch.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Though the source of that report...
… if they’re “close to the family” as Tom H. suggests and that phrase doesn’t mean “lives in the same state”, implies something very different.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Perhaps we are kind of aholes for calling him a jerk. But shouldn’t he sign for $2M? That’d pay for a boat load of adrenalin.
You mean insulin?
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 16, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
RIDE BIKES!
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
How is this relevant?
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 16, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Or, at the very least
Given the Brewers a reason to think twice about making a significant investment.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
well, then he should have signed
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 16, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Mostly for Covey.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I know we have a lot of lawyers here, any medical experts?
I know diabetes isn’t something you develop overnight. Is this something teams should have been able to detect in pre-draft medical exams or whatnot?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Some medical experience, but more in physical rehab than this type of stuff
I do know it is becoming a lot more prevalent in the younger generation and it is something that often isn’t diagnosed immediately. I wonder if blood tests are a common part of pre-draft exams or if they are just taken once they sign and need to pass a physical. Even if they are included pre-draft, they might not be screening for medical issues and more for PEDs. Either way, diabetes is a disease that can be managed extremely effectively currently and I don’t think it would inhibit his ability to play baseball.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on Aug 16, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a blood test or a piss test. I'm not sure if they administer them in pre-draft exams.
If it’s something that is scaring them away now, it certainly would have scared them away before the draft.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
I suppose it depends
on how far-reaching a pre-draft medical exam typically is, or is for the Brewers.
It shouldn’t be impossible for someone with diabetes (either type) to play. If the diagnosis is truly fresh, I could imagine the Coveys just kind of reeling and wanting to get a handle on it before Dylan makes a large athletics-based commitment. My partner was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes last year and we spent the first couple of weeks pretty much freaking out. (He’s doing fine now, knock on wood).
Brandon Phillips understands.
My uncle has type 1 diabetes
He’s lost two toes, is blind in one eye, very poor vision in the other eye, and nearly died a couple times because of it. Of course he’s had it since he was a very little kid. Maybe its different if you develope it when you’re older. Hopefully Dylan won’t suffer the same fate.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 16, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's different for every patient
whether type 1 or type 2. I wouldn’t wish either type on anyone, but type 1 has always seemed more severe to me (even since last year).
Brandon Phillips understands.
A little rusty on my internal medicine, but could have been picked up on history and labs. Type 1 diabetes is rare as a new diagnosis in adults, but Dylan is in the inbetween years. It will be interesting to see if this is true or just rumor.
Jim Callis:
I thought @haudricourt report on Dylan Covey might be negotiating posturing. But source confirms #Brewers won’t sign 1st-rder #mlbdraft
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
FWIW
Jason Johnson had a lengthy major league career with Type 1 diabetes. He was the first pitcher allowed to wear an insulin pump on the mound.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I can think of a couple NHL players that also have diabetes
Even compared to between ten to fifteen years ago, it’s become a lot more manageable. The only thing I can see is a) someone told him to get an education in case his career goes in the toilet, or b) he didn’t sign because he wants to get control of lifestyle change one before going on to lifestyle change two.
…or the Brewers are trying to use it as an excuse for not signing him.
2009 BCBallers Fantasy Football Champion - Y'all got beat by a girl, you know that?
Silver lining?
Via Haudricourt:
Brewers have signed 13th round pick Michael White, a right-hander from Walters State CC. Looks like they’re done for the night.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
If the diabetes rumor is false
We will have the silver lining of not only Covey being healthy but another TH rant about blogs.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I'm a little skeptical.
Seems like the Brewers would have just said that he failed a physical, or that such information would have leaked earlier than a couple hours before the deadline.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Well, that's mildly disappointing.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
Later all...
… I just looked at the OV thread and found myself agreeing with many of the comments there. My license to discuss this further has just been suspended. In my defense, I’m not very smart and beer is a cool and delicious beverage.
Enjoy your return to rationality.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 16, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions
Why do I keep thinking
of the line, “This is why we can’t have nice things”?
Especially since I don’t know why.
Brandon Phillips understands.
26th rd pick
Fell a long way because of overslot demands. He was considered, in theory, a fallback plan for the money the Brewers would have spent on Covey if something like this went wrong.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
HS left handed pitcher. From Brewerfan.net scouting report
“Gibson was rising up some draft boards this spring as his usual upper-80s to low-90s velocity spiked to the 93-94 range on occasion. He is a projectable lefty that does a good job commanding a nice three-pitch mix, including a curveball and a changeup. His curveball needs more consistency, and he needs more experience throwing his changeup, but both pitches have a good foundation. He has an athletic and strong frame and repeats his delivery well. As a 26th-round pick, it may be difficult to keep him away from his commitment to the University of Florida.”
Also nicknamed "Boobie"
Plays for the Cavaliers.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
If the Diabetes thing is true ...
it’s surprisingly similar to what happened to Brandon Morrow. Found out during high school, passed on MLB and learned to deal w/ the disease at Cal, still managed to make the bigs.
You’ve gotta think that for parents, a college campus setting a few hours from home is probably WAY more ideal for this situation than rookie ball.
(Also, this sucks for the Brewers.)
From personal experience
This is something that can be handled well with discipline and close monitoring, just like the work involved with being a professional athlete. IMO, its a non issue, and if the Brewers are using it as an excuse as to why they arent signing him its a lame excuse. Many professional athletes live and succeed with it, and it would be just plain ignorance to turn away from Covey because of it. More evidence that the scoutind department, as well as the FO need a complete overhaul if this kid gets away.
Stop yourself
With diagnosis of diabetes, the Covey family decided it would be best for Dylan to stay nearby at U. of San Diego rather than go into minors
“This was crushing, to both us and the Brewers,” said Darrell Covey. “We were all in shock. It had nothing to do with money.”
via @Haudricourt
Get a ife broseph
Yeah ... as I said
It’s gotta be scary for parents. Totally understand why they’d want to keep him close. Almost surprised they wouldn’t look at an LA school and even pass on USD. I’d imagine the pac-10 and Fullerton would be interested.
Kid's making a big mistake
Its a major adjustment, surely, but turning down that kind of money because of it. He’ll never get that chance again. No college education gives you a paycheck of $2 million without experience first.
Brewers need to pull out the big guns and get anyone they can to convince Covey that they can have doctors there with him, specialists to help him monitor and stay healthy, and that he can succeed and not be afraid of this diagnosis.
He's a scared kid who was just diagnosed with disease that's going to dramatically alter his life.
And he’s opting to be close to his family, and betting on his ability to play professional baseball for lots of money in a year or so. Maybe it’ll be less money. There’s a chance it might be a little more. But all things considered it’s a pretty understandable decision even if it turns out to be financially unwise.
I can’t be mad at him for that. Especially now that I haven’t had a beer in 2 hours.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 17, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't be mad at him either
especially after reading all the various minor league player blogs and that latest article from an indy-league beat writer. Sure Covey would have got a big bonus that would pay for healthier food, but the lifestyle is not conducive to someone who’s just been recently diagnosed with a chronic disease.
Haudricourt Says
that the diabetes thing was the reason he elected not to sign.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Still hope for a signing?
Keith Law:
Brewers may make a run at Tampa-area LHP Daniel Gibson; offered him third-round money yesterday but he turned it down.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Doesn't sound like it.
Unless they just give him Covey’s money, which I wouldn’t necessarily do.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
For those wanting the front office fired for this
“We felt the Brewers were more than fair and compassionate in this process," Darrell Covey said. "We’d be honored to talk to the Brewers again. They were willing to bend over backwards."”
by biedergb on Aug 16, 2010 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who wants the FO fired for this is an idiot
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 16, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its the kids final decision obviously
But its a failure by the organization if they cant change his mind about it. They need to get doctors, and players who have the disease to help make the case, and then point out the issue that that kind of money will never be there again.
Not necessarily an offense that deserves a firing, but its a whole body of work issue when it comes to the scouting department, and this is just one more layer on the cake.
Do you need the laundry list?
Arnett, Hoffman, Hawkins, the trading deadline non moves this year, the list is pretty big.
The Brewers FO needs to convince this kid that he can survive and thrive with Type I Diabetes as a professional baseball player, they need to show him how going to college is only going to decrease his money and its going to take him 3 years until he can be drafted again, and this is also an issue that covers a players makeup (how they deal with stress, etc.) this particular situation could not have been envisioned, but the reaction to it should have been, and if this were the case, a different pick should have been made.
Maybe he just found out. Like a few days ago.
Type 1 diabetes is not like chronic ear infections. It’s a serious condition, and it’s not a failing on the Brewers’ part to not talk him into leaving everyone he knows just after finding out about it.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 16, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know EXACTLY what Covey and his parents are going through right now
From personal experience.
All I am saying is that although it is a major issue, its not one which should prevent him from signing. The Brewers have fully admitted that they believe he will end up being a front of the rotation starting pitcher. They are letting him walk away.
Go away
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
by Michael M on Aug 16, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
That was too reactionary on my part, but my post below explains how I feel better than this drivel
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
Oh I don't know...
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 17, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
How are they letting him walk away?
The Brewers tried to convince us otherwise but they respected our decision."
Should they abduct him? Have Gord Ash show up with some reinforcements and drag him to Montana for Rookie ball?
Go away.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 16, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Intelligent responses
You guys sound like 4th graders.
They could have given him time to adjust, they could have placed calls to players like Morrow or Josh Johnson to talk to the kid, they could have had doctors talk with him. There are many things that could have been done to convince this kid that signing was in his best interests, and they werent able to accomplish that.
Thanks
How do you know they didn’t do any of those things? I’m almost positive they would have let him have the rest of the summer if he needed it, they had made comments that he had a enough innings this year in HS.
In the 2 or 3 days they had it could have been hard to line up current players to talk to him, and maybe Josh Johnson or Morrow would have supported the kid’s decision to stay close to home.
Whatever, I’m done with this.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 16, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You sound like you're bitter former scout who never got his chance
and now is forced to watch the likes of the horrible Brewer’s front office who failed to convince a kid to sign when they never really had a chance.
You have no idea if they placed those calls or not and you clearly have a clear agenda here like a passive aggressive troll
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
by Michael M on Aug 16, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Dylan Covey visited specialist Dr. Andrew Drexler at the Gonda Diabetes Center at UCLA on Monday afternoon. Drexler told the family that it was 95 percent certain that Covey’s diagnosis is correct. On Sunday night, Dylan spoke with Mariners pitcher Brandon Morrow, who also has Type 1 diabetes, and who was a first round pick out of Cal.
Covey’s father on the Brewers:
“They were willing to bend over backwards."
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 16, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Not able to add the link right now working off my phone, but there is an article out that says Covey spoke with Morrow about the condition.
You’ll now have to find a different reason to blame the Brewers management for the non-signing.
by gobrew23 on Aug 16, 2010 11:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
link
here, via Tom H’s twitter
“On Sunday night, Dylan spoke with Mariners pitcher Brandon Morrow, who also has Type 1 diabetes, and who was a first round pick out of Cal.”
Morrow knows exactly what this kid is going through, and if that’s the advice he may have given Covey, that was probably the right advice.
by morineko on Aug 17, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they should invest in magic wands, too
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
by TheJay on Aug 17, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Why don't you post at McCovey Chronicles, where you might not have to dig under every stone for an excuse to hate everything the team does.
Since you’re apparently a fan of the Giants and all.
by Noah Jarosh on Aug 17, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Twice now you’ve blamed the Brewers for not getting this done. Do you read other posts or articles?
This decision was the Covey family’s, not the Brewers.
by gobrew23 on Aug 16, 2010 10:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
University of San Diego is a Catholic school.
Catholics believe in the 10 Commandments.
10 Commandments include the concept of “honoring your father and mother.”
Dylan’s representative was his father.
This would tend to imply a close, trusting relationship with his parents.
If his parents did not want him to take the money, but wanted him to stay close and go to college, he would honor their wishes, based on the preceding logic.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
by Yar Nivek on Aug 16, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh lord
this particular situation could not have been envisioned, but the reaction to it should have been, and if this were the case, a different pick should have been mad
So before they drafted him, the Front Office should have figured out how this 18 year old kid, his 2 brothers and his parents would react if he was given a disease and had 5 days to make a life changing decision. I know you dislike the Brewers, but give me a f’ing break.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 16, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Yes they should have
Drafting doesn’t only include picking the best player, but also getting them to sign. The FO should have run through every possible scenario on reasons why a player would choose to go to college over pro ball. Things like..
1) Money
2) The desire for the college experience (You can always go back)
3) A GF that “they are in love with”
4) “Can’t leave my friends”
5) “Can’t leave my family”
6) Medical diagnosis (Of the player or family member)
7) I don’t want to live in Montana for a few years
8) My favorite donut shop is down the street
9) Pregnant GF
You get the idea. And the FO should prepare at least a methodology on how they can go about changing the players mind. I understand that people change their mind a lot, but yes they should be prepared for about every option that a player has. Just as I’m supposed to prepare my network at work for as many possible disasters as I can think of (Floods, Storms, Fire, Theft, External Attack, Internal Attack, Power Events, etc), and if I didn’t plan accordingly.. then it’s my fault. Do I think a medical diagnosis should be in their SOP? Yes I do. Do I think it should have been conceived of before last week? Yes I do.
Do I think even if they were prepared they could convince Covey? That I’m not sure of. But your point is that they FO shouldn’t have had this contingency, I say the should have.
They did have a contingency
1. They had him talk to a current player with Type 1.
2. He talked to a diabetes specialist at the UCLA Diabetes Center.
3. The Brewers let him know they would “bend over backwards” to accomodate him.
You also realize they weren’t allowed to do a blood test of him before last week, right?
And the FO should prepare at least a methodology on how they can go about changing the players mind.
Why don’t you think the Brewers had a methodology? Do you think the Brewers got the news and said “oh crap” and left it at that?
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 17, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No I don't think they did that
But you are saying that this should have been outside the realm of what the FO should have been prepared for. I’m simply stating I don’t think that’s the case.
Perhaps we are talking about two different things (Like being able to convince Covey and not at least having a plan of attack). Not to get back to ripping on the FO, was it the Brewers that sent Covey to UCLA Diabetes center? Was it the Brewers that set up a call with Morrow? Or was that proxy agents?
I think the FO was fully prepared for this, I’ve read nothing to suggest that they weren’t. I mentioned 3 things that were made public, I’m assuming there were many more things done behind the scenes.
I’d even guess that with all the experience between the scouts, Melvin, Gord, Seid, etc they probably had something similar happen in the past with a player.
Again, what have you seen to suggest the Brewers didn’t have a plan of attack?
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 17, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well we both have no proof
Perhaps the Brewers did do it, perhaps they didn’t. But the fact remains that the FO needs to have examined every contingency and have at least a basic plan. With the rate of diabetes in youth now a days (Thanks Western diet), this should have been covered in more detail and needs to be added to the SOP. Including getting medical staff, players/trainers, Wilford Bramley all ready to give the kid a full course press on how to manage it. More specifically, how it will be easier to manage it in a professional setting then in a collegiate setting.
I'll admit
Having Wilford Brimley come talk (or yell) to Covey would be pretty awesome.
Get a ife broseph
I think that's crazy.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 17, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
isn't the increase in diabetes caused by the increase in obesity
or are they just correlated with no causative linkage established. Covey doesn’t look like a chunker – plus, isn’t that type II?
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm wrong
But I thought the original post was about the assertion that predicting the player’s reaction to a medical diagnosis would be a deciding factor between picking Player A or Player B, not the existence of a plan for that situation.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Yup
this particular situation could not have been envisioned, but the reaction to it should have been, and if this were the case, a different pick should have been made
Get a ife broseph
to that point
it’s all about cost-benefit analysis. If you think the chances of the player having a negative diagnosis during the physical are low, you similarly weight the circumstances evolving from that diagnosis low. In other words, you draft the best arm that has a near minimum risk (that was Covey), not the perfectly sign-able one.
A player like Fielder, you might think that there would be negatives – diabetes, cardiac problems, blood pressure problems, flexibility issues, endurance issues. But a player that looks like Covey that has had no recorded prior problem, you figure things will turn out fine.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't really about that
He was arguing the Brewers should have known the reaction of Covey to a diagnosis and they should have used that as a guide on whether or not to pick him in the draft.
Get a ife broseph
I disagree with that perspective
As the risk of said diagnosis is low, it should not drastically change your opinion of his draftibility. Also, despite the tightness of the family, what’s to say that they would have reacted in quite this way? a $2M bonus with a tight-knit family could have encouraged one/both of his parents to take an early retirement (or sabbatical/long term vacation), travel out to wherever he plays ball next season, to help him get situated with the minor league baseball climate and get a handle on his disease. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he would pick the option to be close to his family, it might mean that his family would pick the option to stay close to him. Also, did anyone really know exactly how tight the family was pre-draft? Seems to be a matter of some speculation in and of itself.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
just because they have a contingency plan
doesn’t mean they’ll be able to accomplish their primary goal (signing him) with that contingency plan, especially on short notice.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Give me a break
Like the Brewers were just like, oh well, ok…you can go to college. Of course they tried everything they could! You can only convince a person so far as they’re willing to go.
Dylan and his family obviously decided otherwise and that’s their choice isn’t it? Sometimes life is more important than money.
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
by Michael M on Aug 16, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I 'd like to see a change at the top of the front office too...
… but lumping this in with Arnett, Hoffman et al is just idiocy.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 17, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a feeling that had we made trade deadline moves, those moves would be added to the laundry list.
You cannot call the trade deadline non-moves a failure until they trade Fielder down the road.
You’re now saying that because Covey made a logical decision to take a path that he feels will be most conducive to success, rather than take the sure 7 figure contract, that he has makeup issues. You’re also saying that they should have been able to predict how he would have reacted to being diagnosed with Type I Diabetes a week before signing…. You’re just talking out of your ass at this point.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on Aug 17, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I hope the cake is sugar-free
’Cause someone needs insulin shots to stay alive.
by nullacct on Aug 16, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I should clarify — before this news came out some posts here and other sites were calling out the scouting dept for various theorized errors. Obviously the dept did a great job, and I was just trying to emphasize the positive. His dad (who was lionized in some posts as well) was pretty glowing in the remark about the Brewers.
by biedergb on Aug 16, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh yeah, I understand
I was pretty pissed too. Reading the comments from the Covey family makes it hard for me to blame the Brewers, I don’t know how a rational person could.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Aug 16, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But we can still want the F/O fired for other stuff, right?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 17, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
"I've been banging a lot of bratwurst lately".
Uecker during the 8th inning of his first game back
I liked the quote
full quote:
Darrell said that the Brewers still believed Dylan was a front-line prospect even after the diagnosis. Darrell expressed appreciation that the Brewers did not jump to conclusions and gave Dylan the chance to make the final decision without intimidation tactics.
“We felt the Brewers were more than fair and compassionate in this process," Darrell Covey said. "We’d be honored to talk to the Brewers again. They were willing to bend over backwards.”
link
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on Aug 16, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Darrell expressed appreciation that the Brewers did not jump to conclusions and gave Dylan the chance to make the final decision without intimidation tactics.
Somewhere in this thread:
They need to get doctors, and players who have the disease to help make the case, and then point out the issue that that kind of money will never be there again.
by Zeyes on Aug 17, 2010 6:03 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If Loux and Covey are the only first-rounders not to sign and the season ended today
The Brewers would have picks #10 and #16 in 2011, FWIW
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Silver lining
Word already is next year’s draft is supposed to be one of the deeper and more talented ones in years, could rival 2005’s draft. So maybe this is a blessing in disguise? I don’t know.
That said, I’m disappointed, but I understand there were extenuating circumstances. Just stinks it had to happen this way.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 16, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Karsten Whitson didn't sign either
So if the season ended today the Brewers would get #10 and #17.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
As someone whose mother has type 1 diabetes and has dealt with it since she was 13...
I think I have some pretty good background on it. It can be treated and maintained through discipline but it certainly can be difficult, especially for a person just beginning to understand the disease. An insulin pump would be very helpful, which my mother got for herself in the past year.
He’s going to have to learn to re-habit his entire way of life. What to eat, when to eat, how much to eat or drink. He may develop eye troubles or circulation problems…
I certainly can understand the concerns from the parent’s stand point but it sure is disappointing from the Brewers stand point that they didn’t get to sign him. Just imagine going through these negotiations and then learning you or your son has diabetes and he’s about to move away to a “scary unknown” MLB world of things. There’s a part of me that wishes they’d “let him go” and grow on his own, but again, I can understand their concerns.
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
2011 Draft Order
Based on Baseball Prospectus’ projected final standings (as of 8/13) and my unclear understanding of how the compensation picks work, and before any Type A free agent signings:
1 – Baltimore Orioles
2 – Pittsburgh Pirates
3 – Seattle Mariners
4 – Kansas City Royals
5 – Houston Astros
6 – Cleveland Indians
7 – Arizona Diamondbacks*
8 – Arizona Diamondbacks
9 – Chicago Cubs
10 – San Diego Padres*
11 – Washington Nationals
12 – Milwaukee Brewers
13 – Detroit Tigers
14 – Florida Marlins
15 – Milwaukee Brewers*
16 – New York Mets
17 – Oakland Athletics
18 – Los Angeles Dodgers
19 – Los Angeles Angels
20 – Colorado Rockies
21 – Toronto Blue Jays
22 – Chicago White Sox
23 – Philadelphia Phillies
24 – San Diego Padres
25 – Minnesota Twins
26 – Cincinnati Reds
27 – Atlanta Braves
28 – San Francisco Giants
29 – St. Louis Cardinals
30 – Boston Red Sox
31 – Tampa Bay Rays
32 – Texas Rangers
33 – New York Yankees
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Maybe we can trade the 12 and the 15 for the #1...
… oh wait.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 17, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
If we're lucky we'll pick a guy 10 spots ahead of where he should've gone
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
behind I think you mean
unless you’re attempting to be sarcastically ironical
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn
the Crew didn’t sign Covey, and the Dodgers somehow signed Lee after reports that, as of last week, they hadn’t even contacted him.
It sounds like both sides want the signing deadline to be moved up in the next collective bargaining agreement so these crazy days would happen earlier in the summer.
"I've been banging a lot of bratwurst lately".
Uecker during the 8th inning of his first game back
that would make way too much sense.
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
I wonder when they will move it to
It can’t be the end of July because GMs are too busy working on trades. It can’t be the middle of July because then it will distract people from the All-Star game. Maybe the end of June since it gives almost the entire short-season league schedule for new draftees.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
i hate lying liars
earlier reports were that they had a deal, it was signed, it was just waiting for approval from the MLB front office because it was over-slot
I imagine the usual "have agreed in principle" caveat applies.
Besides, even if they had, do you think the Brewers would have held Covey to it after the diabetes diagnosis if the guy didn’t even want to, himself?
his father was quoted just a couple of days ago
saying something about $2M. Or was that pre-Friday? You’d think he wouldn’t have spoken to the press if he and Dylan were still deciding what to do.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
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