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by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2010 9:37 AM CDT
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As of yesterday afternoon it seemed like a lock the Brewers would sign first round pick Dylan Covey before the 11 pm deadline, and the only question was when. Instead, now we've all seen how fast things can change. Word got out around 9 pm last night that Covey had decided to go to college instead, with the full story coming out shortly thereafter: Covey's physical on Friday revealed he has Type 1 diabetes, and he and his family have decided that he'd be better off learning to handle this new challenge in college instead of rookie ball (BCB Thread).
Covey talked to Baseball Beginnings in an exclusive interview regarding the decision, and both he and his family show no signs of ill will towards the Brewers. For their part, the Brewers will receive a compensation pick in the first round of next year's draft, believed to be #17 overall. The pick is unprotected, however, meaning the Brewers will receive no compensation if they draft a player with that pick and fail to sign them.
Covey is the first Brewer first round pick not to sign since Kenny Henderson in 1991. The Brewers Bar says you can't blame anyone for the way this worked out, and I tend to agree with them.
The Brewers did manage to strike a deal with 13th round pick Michael White, a right-hander from Walters State Community College. For a roundup of all of yesterday's other draft happenings, check out this Jonathan Mayo story. I'll have a wrap-up of the draft signings later today.
With the Brewers off yesterday, there wasn't much else to do besides look to the future. MLB Trade Rumors is starting to look at potential arbitration eligible players for this winter, and lists Todd Coffey as a potential candidate to be non-tendered. Coffey is making slightly more than $2 million this season and will probably be due a raise, but not an exceptionally large one. Twinkie Town noted that J.J. Hardy is also listed as a candidate.
Elsewhere in tough decisions, Hang With 'em Brewers! wonders what the Brewers should do with Trevor Hoffman down the stretch.
Prince Fielder's lack of hits and power in clutch situations has been a frequent topic of conversation this season. Disciples of Uecker used the off day to consider it, and notes that a) Fielder has cost the team nearly a full win with his clutch struggles this season, but also b) the sample size is small enough that one clutch home run would raise his slugging percentage by around 100 points.
I'm not sure if this is news or not, but I'll go ahead and throw it out there: Craig Counsell has reportedly cleared waivers, meaning he can be traded to any team from this point forward. With that said, it's hard to imagine any team offering much in return for a .246/.317/.305 hitting infielder who turns 40 on Saturday and will be a free agent at season's end.
Elsewhere in "potentially not news," Jerry Crasnick is reporting that agent Gregg Clifton has left Gaylord Sports. Gaylord is the agency representing Casey McGehee, among others.
In the minors:
- The affiliates went 5-1 last night, and the performance of the night belonged to Mat Gamel: He went 3-for-4 with a walk, double and a grand slam in Nashville's 7-6 win over Salt Lake. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- As Battlekow noted, 2010 second round pick Jimmy Nelson is now the top pick acquired in this year's draft, and he pitched three scoreless innings for Helena last night.
If you've got some time to kill today, you don't mind giving blood and you like free Brewer tickets, then the Brewers' Big League Blood Drive appears to have been designed with you in mind. Follow that link for more information.
On power rankings:
- MLB FanHouse has the Brewers holding steady at 17.
- Craig Calcaterra moved the Brewers down four spots to 25.
If you haven't yet, please take a moment this morning to vote in this week's BCB Tracking Poll. Voting will remain open until sometime this afternoon and results will be posted tomorrow.
Mets: Placed closer Francisco Rodriguez on the DL with a torn ligament in his thumb.
Orioles: Placed pitcher Jason Berken on the DL with shoulder inflammation.
Rangers: Placed outfielder Nelson Cruz on the DL with sore hamstrings.
Rays: Placed outfielder Gabe Kapler on the DL with a sprained ankle.
On this day in 1983 Tom Candiotti made his first major league start, pitching a complete game and beating the Red Sox 5-1. Candiotti would have two relatively quiet seasons in Milwaukee before learning the knuckleball and winning 16 games for the Indians in 1986.
Happy birthday today to:
- Nashville Sound Chris Waters, who turns 30.
- 1971-73 Brewer Bill Parsons, who turns 62.
- Seattle Pilot and 1970-73 Brewer Skip Lockwood, who turns 64.
Oh, and I feel terrible about it, but I can't get this out of my head.
Drink up.
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Good luck to Covey
And, no, its not the Front Office’s “fault” he didn’t sign.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 17, 2010 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Agreed and Rec'd.
One thing I’m curious about is, with the Brewers now having an extra first round pick, if that will make them more likely to pursue a type A free agent in the offseason.
Both picks will be
So they’re in the same boat they were last year – sign a Type A, lose a second round pick.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
so to answer noah's first Q
perhaps
but i think it more likely that they take a “risky” pick with #~10, and a sure-as-shit with #~15
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Mea Culpa
Readily admit that I was wrong in thinking that the FO did not do its best to sign Covey. Have read reports about him talking with doctors and Brandon Morrow who is also diabetic.
I just think its a huge mistake by Covey to not sign. The money he would have made is never going to be there again. The next time he is eligible for the draft, there will be a new CBA in place, and hard slotting almost certain for draft picks. And this all depends on whether or not he stays healthy and at the same level he is now.
Hopefully the team offered to still sign him, give him until October to figure things out in time for short fall workouts, and then all the way until February to get in shape for Spring Training.
This isnt a death sentence. I, and 2 members of my immediate family have this disease and it is completely maintainable. Two of my siblings found out at around the same age Covey is now, and within 6 months they were on track and doing fine.
The money used from the signing bonus could have been his assurance and comfort to take things at his own pace and figure it all out.
by backtocali on Aug 17, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
for admitting defeat in par#1
I agree with the rest as well, except perhaps the last par.
being an 18 yo, he could have just as easily blown the $ on sugar, booze and easy women, which would have not helped his condition out at all.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Seemed like he had a strong family influence, though.
So it seems unlikely he would’ve blown the money.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
No, it's not.
If you’re 17, you’re given 2M, it’s not like you’re set for life, unless you want a pretty meager life.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Maybe "meager" isn't the right word.
But you’d have to be pretty smart with your investments in order to have a high quality life from 17 to death without working.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Let's say he gets $2 million
And half of it is gone immediately to taxes. That still gives him $100k per year to live on for five years, and $500k to set aside in case things don’t work out and he needs a new plan.
Sure, it’s not “that much money,” but it’s still an awful lot of money with a pretty nice safety net.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Right
I’m more referring to the fact that if you’re 17, you can’t live on a lump sum 2M pre-tax comfortably for the rest of your life without working and not worrying about how you spend the money.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
No, likely not, unless you make a really good decision with that $500k.
But you can put yourself in a position where, even in the worst case scenario, you’ve got a nice cushion to sit on while you figure out what’s next.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Over the years you can make 10% on investments
Once he puts all of his 1M away, he can pretty much live the rest of his life on 100K per year. If he is smart and lives on 75K per year for a few years and keeps the other invested, this will grow
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Living on 75K per year isn't really a lavish lifestyle.
After taking into account the gains taxes, it’s probably barely comfortable.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
When you are less than 25 years old without a wife/kids it is
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Right,
but we’re talking to live the rest of his life, without working. Can’t do that on 75K/Yr pre-tax. Not possible.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Not taking out the full interest gain
Will grow the size of the investment, thus making the interest gain increase.
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
would the gains taxes be all that dehabilitating vs standard income taxes?
You can live on 40-50K pre-tax with standard income without being close to the poverty line. I’d think you could do the same with 75-80K.
Then again, I think it’s been a few years since we saw a 10% annual return on investments with any regularity. What’s prime right now? 7%?
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it depends on where you're living.
Good luck on trying to live on 40-50K pre-tax in San Francisco.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I could counter with Oakland
but then you did stipulate “live”
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a ridiculous statement
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 17, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Really?
Go to california and try to live on 60K a year, or whatever 75K/year comes to after taxes. Let me know how comfortable that is for you.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Not to take away from the general perspective of your comment
But imagine tryign to do that when you’re used to a lifestyle that involves a $16k/year private high school.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
fair enough
If my parents hadn’t taught me to be generally frugal, I’m sure I would have saved even less.
so, if he’s not instilled with those same values, $60K might be chump change
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 18, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I lived there, I made less than 40 until my last two years there
my wife made about 20
so we were supporting two adult humans in the state of California on 60K or less per year. We lived. We weren’t on food stamps or any government assistance program. I had $3 coffee, $1 pastry and $5-$10 lunch every day, and still was able to put significant money in the bank while maintaining other investments. And he only has himself to support and doesn’t need anything larger than a studio or 1 bedroom apartment. $60K is plenty.
Sure, you can’t have an oceanside view with it, but whatever – I don’t like to be pooped on by seagulls anyway.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 18, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
i'd be impressed if he makes 10% regularly
i suppose he would have a professional asset manager, but given the markets, this sounds a bit less likely.
regardless, he wouldn’t retire at 19 or whatever. he’d play for a few years (making a small salary, but getting most of his room/ board covered), then give up and try his hand at whatever else. go back to college, etc… $2M (pre-tax, pre-investment) is still a good nest egg. i’ve been working for a decent amount of time and don’t have that…
by Capt Science on Aug 17, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Will he make 10% in the current market? Hell no
Will he make an average of 10% each year over the next 20? Very highly likely
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
To a professional athlete
if someone wants to cut me a check for $2MM today, I’ll never work another day in my life and I won’t worry about how I spend the majority of it.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
by MadtownTim on Aug 17, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
after the two houses and two cars are paid for in cash, that blows less than a 1/3 of that check.
After that, having the remainder even in meager earning investments keeps me set for the rest of my life to buy a new car every once in a while if I need it, buy some toys along the way and life is good.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
$2,000,000 is a ton of money
but I fall into the same trap often: both sports teams and government spending have desensitized me to large sums of money. When people can throw around a couple hundred million (or billion, or trillion), 2 million doesn’t seem like much.
I'm a little surprised about the non-signing, too, but I wonder if that changed his offer
The Brewers may have lowered his offer based on his new health complication. There’s a good chance Covey would’ve dropped (rational or not) in the draft had his Diabetes been widely known. The Brewers would be well within their rights to lower their over-slot offer upon learning about his diabetes.
It still surprises me that he wouldn’t at least try, though. I doubt the Brewers refused to put in a college tuition clause if he decided he couldn’t handle the minor leagues, after all. I suppose there’s something to be said for going to college with your peers rather than people 2-3 years younger than you. I guess not everything is about money and while there might not be as much available later, it’s still likely enough to keep him comfortable if he doesn’t blow out his arm while playing in college.
"I suppose there’s something to be said for going to college with your peers rather than people 2-3 years younger than you."
I don’t know. I’d bet being the 21 year old millionaire makes you pretty popular with the 18 year old freshmen.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm 10 years older than my peers in school right now
It’s actually quite annoying to be treated like an all-knowing deity who understands all of life’s questions, answers and has experience with a bunch of things they want to do.
I can’t imagine what it would be like if you had significant money on top of that that everyone knew about.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
There's a big difference between 10 years older and 3 years older, though.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Because 18 year old freshmen girls follow the MLB draft...
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
I don't fault the Coveys or the Brewers on this one...
However, I have a fairly major gripe with MLB and their encouragement of having teams wait to start negotiations with 1st rounders until Aug 10 at the earliest.
There are a lot of “ifs” coming here, and I realize that if frog’s had longer legs they wouldn’t womp their ass on the ground every time they jumped…But if MLB hadn’t sent out the memo, the Brewers would/could have gotten him in for the physical earlier, found out about the condition (along with the family) and had more than 3 days to deal with the situation, things might have been 180 degrees different.
Covey’s life was about to change in a huge way. No one here has any knowledge of how much stress that puts on the body. Whether you have Type 1 or not, you’re not also an 18 year old athlete, leaving home for the first time with more money and responsibility than you’ve ever had (or probably imagined) in your entire life. Add in a brand new diagnosis of a disease that you’ve had just 3 days to absorb and I would say that decision for a family member of mine would be exactly the same.
Money isn’t everything. And this is coming from someone who doesn’t have a lot of it and probably never will. Is there anything you can’t buy with $2MM that $3MM makes all the difference? I would venture to guess that very few of the people who will read this post will ever see either figure on a “career earnings” list. $50K x 20 years = $1MM…
I wish the Coveys good fortune in their futures.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
by MadtownTim on Aug 17, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said
The MLB thing bothers me.
The Covey’s current financial situation is pretty important here – its different discussion between a kid from a lower-middle income family and a kid from a well-off family where a big bonus like that isn’t as big of deal.
I have no idea what the Covey’s situation is, but it is an important unknown in a lot of this discussion.
Get a ife broseph
Re:
But if MLB hadn’t sent out the memo, the Brewers would/could have gotten him in for the physical earlier, found out about the condition (along with the family)
… I noticed this in Haudricourt’s blog post:
Darrell Covey said Dylan underwent a physical last Wednesday arranged by the Brewers as is customary before signing a high draft pick. He said they don’t normally do a blood test but they did one this time and received a preliminary diagnosis of Type 1 diabetes.
I wonder if Mr. Covey is correct in the assessment that teams don’t normally do a blood test. In the wake of the steroid / HGH era, I’d think a blood test would be a given.
SRS BSNS
Agreed
that line confused me, I would figure a blood test would be mandatory.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Seriously
That’s dumb. He may not be the smartest guy in the world, but even he knows that if you’ve got a pretty important physical coming up, you can lay off the drugs for a little bit.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
I am kidding here...
Just trying to make a funny
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 17, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
This quote about the Francisco Rodriguez situation made me think about how things come full circle
“Said one Mets employee, ‘The reputation of this franchise has diminished into laughability.’”
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
From MLBTR:
Counsell can now be traded to any team, and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the Brewers seek “a legit return.”
In terms of the Counsell market, Rosenthal says the Cardinals inquired and backed off while the Braves have yet to inquire.
Good luck with that.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
I wonder what exactly a legit return for their 13 year old utility infield who's hitting <.250 off the bench is.
then again, is .250 really that bad coming off the bench?
http://www.mlbsoup.com
It is when you're slugging .300.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
if he cleared waivers
that means no one claimed him…meaning to me that he’s unlikely to be traded, unless in a package with someone bigger that DOESN’T clear wavers. correct?
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
well, if someone claimed him
we could just dump his salary on them, but since no one did, we can trade him for something worth less than his current salary, so he’s not necessarily any more unlikely to be traded because no one claimed him,
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
by Mykenk on Aug 17, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or they could eat part of his salary.
If a team claims him on waivers and gets him, they get his whole salary.
In Counsell’s case that’s probably only about $500k, though.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably the fact that the D-backs have announced that
he’ll be a FA after September 1…
Just taking a shot at the reason, but that’s part that confuses me.
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
Also, since he's a free agent
the D’backs can sign him and still get the compensatory pick, right?
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Yeah, unless Loux's side is disputing the injury, I don't get why he gets to be a free agent.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 17, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
3 years only if they enter a 4-year university
If they would choose to move into a semi-pro league or junior college, they’ll be eligible for the following year’s draft.
Did the Diamondbacks try to re-work the deal after he failed the physical?
It might be that there was a potential issue with the Diamondbacks having more incentive to ignore him than make any attempt at signing him. If he was a 4th round pick, the Diamondbacks’ choice would be to sign him even if he is hurt (possible benefit) or go without the pick (no benefit). In this situation they get arguably better value by ignoring the guy than signing him.
That probably didn’t sit too well with the union and I wouldn’t be surprised if they suggested to MLB there would be issues down the road if Arizona ignoring Loux was allowed to stand. So now Loux gets to be a free agent rather than kept out of the league by Arizona gaming the system, Arizona gets their extra pick next year, and everyone is happy.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I think that sums it up pretty good
I think once he failed the physical, Arizona knew they didn’t want him and would take their chances next year, only offering him the base salary that they knew he wouldn’t sign for so they could get the pick.
Seems like MLB did the right thing, I only wonder what implications this would have for players/teams next year.
Get a ife broseph
Overhauling the draft process is supposed to be a big part of the next CBA discussions
So I imagine it will be addressed there.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Current CBA expires December 2011
I guess someone could try to get away with something next year, but this seems like a pretty unique situation.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Jim Callis Chat (Baseball America) RE:Covey
Ron (Racine, WI): How much does the Brewer’s not signing Covey hurt their draft this year?
Jim Callis: It hurts a lot because they didn’t get their first-round pick and didn’t sign a player before the No. 64 choice. They apparently didn’t have the time to reallocate his money to other players, or at least didn’t have the players they wanted to spend that money on. There are some good players but no headliners in Milwaukee’s draft.
Seth (Wisconsin): I really like Covey as a prospect and was very disappointed to hear the Brewers failed to sign him. Then I started to wonder, might the Brewers be better off getting a compensatory pick next year than they would signing Covey this year? With the consensus that next years draft will be extremely deep, this seems to make sense. What is your take?
Jim Callis: They’ll probably get a comparable player next year, though they may have to factor in signability more heavily because they won’t get further compensation if they don’t sign that guy. The Brewers aren’t harmed long-term by not signing Covey, but it’s disappointing to defer your first-round pick for a year.
Sorry Manny, but it's come to this
You can’t handle the power.
by nullacct on Aug 17, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 19 recs
You continue to top yourself
This should have way more than 6 rec’s
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
so good
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 17, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike McClendon
I have been mulling this thought with the idea of building into a FanPost but since it is idle speculation I figured it was a better fit for the comments section.
I wonder if Mike McClendon was a surprise call up when Hawkins was put on the DL so Doug Melvin had another pitcher to point to when discussing his scouts’ results. Melvin père was very defensive of his scouts (including Melvin fils) when the team’s new pitching manifesto was unveiled. Granted, the other options on the 40-man roster, Carlos Villanueva and Mitch Stetter, both came through the Brewers system. However, both those guys have been in the majors with mixed results. Calling up McClendon gives Melvin a new guy to point to when defending his scouts (they found the 10th round pick) if he does well and, if not, he’s just another guy in a lost season that no one will remember in a couple years.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Fans
I don’t think any fans expected McClendon to be called up.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
True
but I don’t think the move was done purely so that DM could use him to defend his scouts.
This was McClendon’s first season in Triple-A. He was pitching very well, so he probably was going to be called up in September anyway. With Hawkins still having problems, it seems pretty logical that they would bring up their best pitcher from Nashville.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
They could legitimately just want to see what he has
There’s still plenty of appearances to be had before September call-ups and if McClendon can handle it, that’s one fewer bullpen spot to worry about filling next year. Their bullpen is already practically built for next year, especially if they end up moving Parra there.
I'm still not clear on this
Do the Brewers get the fifteenth overall pick or the seventeenth as compensation?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Right
Because the two picks that didn’t sign earlier will result in (IIRC) 6A and 9A.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
unless A comes before slot 15 main
or we’re really 14A
right? or am I mathfailing right now?
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Plot thickens
AM tweets: Clarification from MLB: #Brewers get the 15th overall pick in the first round of ’11 #MLBDraft even tho 2 earlier 1st rounders went unsigned.
???
I don't think that's right though
At least not based on how the picks were handled in ’10 and ’09
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Cause and effect
Against the D-backs on Wednesday, Bush lasted 5 1/3 innings, giving up eight hits on seven runs
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2010_08_17_milmlb_slnmlb_1&mode=preview
I assume that’s 7 runs on 8 hits or 8 runs on 7 hits or 8 hits and 7 runs, as the runs did not cause the hits. oh, well.
also from that article
Garcia has pitched fewer than five innings in all but two starts of his 22 starts this season.
If he’s started 22 times, and only 2 of those were long enough to qualify for a win, how is he 10-5? He’s picked up 8+ wins in relief? Even the Ax only has 7. Did the author screw up “fewer” and “more” or “only” and “all except”?
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Perfect game equivalents
Q for one of our resident querymasters – how many “perfect games” have been tossed by pitchers across game boundaries?
Didn’t Stetter retire a bunch of batters in a row last season? I can see LOOGY-types compiling the equivalent of a perfect game, but I think it’d be pretty hard for a long reliever type like McClendon.
Is this what you're looking for?
Longest streak of outings without allowing a baserunner: http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/ufqv9
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Pretty much
if I could sort that by IP (or say IP>9) it’d be pretty close. a few people might drop off that EVENTUALLY gave up a hit in a game, but made it 9 innings before giving up the hit.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
So Jenks, Franco, Motte, Wetteland, Cortez, Montgomery
plus maybe one or two more that peaked above 9 before giving up a runner.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 17, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Jim Barr
Retired 41 batters in a row over two starts, neither of which was a perfect game.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Buehrle broke that record with 45 in a row
Around his perfect game
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I don't think that's correct
Looking at his game stats, I don’t see where he had a stretch of nine innings of relief where he didn’t give up any hits.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
how about end of may 18th-June 6th/7th?
8+ without a hit. perhaps hit 9.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 18, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
indeed
10 innings, with only 1 BB and 0 HBPs. I don’t know if there were any errors committed during that stretch.
may 18th he gave up a hit and an SB to start off the stretch, but then went 2 perfect complete innings followed by 8 innings of no-hit ball over the next 8 appearances. so a 10 innings no hitter. June 7th he gave up a hit to his first batter, so May 18th-June 6th.
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 18, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
hopefully copy-paste will be nice
Carlos Villanueva Pitching Gamelogs for Career Games 134 to 142
Date Tm G GS GF CG Rslt Dec DR IP H R ER BB SO HR HBP ERA BF BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip Pit Str StL StS GB FB LD Unk GSc IR IS SB CS PO AB 2B 3B IBB GDP SF ROE aLI WPA RE24
May 18, 2009 to Jun 6, 2009 MIL 9 0 5 0 7-2 W-L:1-0,Hld:3 1.7 10.0 1 0 0 1 17 0 0 0.00 32 .032 .063 .032 .095 .071 132 67% 19% 21% 1.33 21% 0 1 0% 1 0 0 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 .65 0.463 5.01
then again, probably not. BF includes a lead-off hit on the first day of the range and 1 BB (may 24th). So, unless there were any Es balanced with DPs to bring him back to facing the minimum, he pitched a near-perfect 10 inning span (only one BB)
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Quick, someone fix wikipedia
Stetter entry
On June 17, 2009, Stetter set a record by retiring his 10th and 11th consecutive batters by strikeout. As of June 25, 2009, the last 15 batters Stetter has retired have been by strikeout followed by a fly out to Corey Hart ending the streak.
Pretty sure he didn’t get Hart to fly out. I guess it was probably Hart that caught the ball, but I think it’s more relevant who hit the ball. Also, who cares about 10 and 11 if he pushed it to 15? Unless 10 was a record?
That's what happens with Wiki...
People add new info without editing the info already there. My guess is that the two sentences were written by two different people.
BTW – I didn’t read that as Stetter flying out to Hart, but agree that it’s poorly written. If you were curious, it was Jason Kubel who flew out to right to end the streak.
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