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by Kyle Lobner on Aug 27, 2010 9:49 AM CDT
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The Brewer day game struggles continued yesterday as the Dodgers left Milwaukee with a sweep and the Brewers were left to wonder how a team that's gone 43-39 at night can go 16-29 during the day. Ken Macha questioned the mental toughness of his team after the game, suggesting they've "given in mentally to the fact that they're going to struggle in day games."
Yovani Gallardo turned in another lackluster performance yesterday, allowing six runs on eight hits in 6.1 innings. The rough start raised his ERA to 6.59 in August, and 6.27 since coming off the DL in July. Jordan Schelling says Gallardo needs some time off. He did strike out ten batters, though: You Can't Predict Baseball notes that he's the first pitcher in Milwaukee history to allow six or more runs and strike out ten batters in the same game.
Also in yesterday's game: Rickie Weeks was hit by a pair of pitches, raising his league-leading total to 22. He's now just three shy of tying Fernando Vina's franchise record, and he's the all-time leader in HBP's by a pitcher named Carlos. Plunk Everyone has those facts and much more.
Other notes from the field:
- Manny Parra pitched a scoreless ninth inning, allowing a walk but no hits and striking out one. It was his first relief appearance since May 23.
- Scott Podsednik, Yovani Gallardo and Ryan Theriot are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Here are the MLB.com video highlights.
Carlos Gomez got another day off yesterday, and was passed over in favor of Chris Dickerson when the Brewers needed a center fielder to make a double switch in the seventh. Satchel Price of Beyond the Box Score makes the case that Gomez should stay on the bench long term. If Gomez ever gets back in a game, though, he'll do so wearing a new, more protective helmet.
With Gomez on the bench, Lorenzo Cain started in center for the eighth straight game. Ken Macha complimented Cain's throwing arm, and said his defense has been "better than expected." Cain was rated the Southern League's best defensive outfielder in Baseball America's 2010 "Best Tools" survey.
Now that they're finally done with the Dodgers, the Brewers open their final 2010 series with the Pirates tonight. You'll have to excuse some fans for looking ahead to tomorrow, though: In what might be this weekend's biggest upset, Carson Cisulli of FanGraphs listed Saturday's Brewers/Pirates contest as one of the most interesting of the day. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker is also excited to see what Chris Capuano can do in a starting role.
August has been a rough month to be a Brewer fan, but at least September is coming soon: Adam McCalvy noted the possibility that Jeremy Jeffress will be called up, while Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com listed Mat Gamel as one of his September callups to watch.
Looking a little farther ahead, Jon Heyman says the Brewers could be one of ten teams changing managers this offseason.
The Brewers won't discuss a potential contract extension with Rickie Weeks until after the season, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss it now. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar attempts to fit Weeks in with baseball's highest paid second basemen, and concludes that Weeks will probably be looking for roughly $7 million annually, which will put him in line with Brian Roberts and Robinson Cano.
Yesterday I mentioned the looming possibility that the Brewers will decide to non-tender Manny Parra after the season. Doug Melvin was asked about the possibility yesterday and said roughly what you'd expect him to say: That they're interested to see how he does in the bullpen, and won't make a decision on his future until after the season.
The Brewers will likely face an easier decision regarding Gregg Zaun. They'll almost certainly decline his option for 2011, but Zaun is telling reporters that he plans to play next season. (h/t Jordan Schelling)
In the minors:
- The affiliates went 2-4 last night, with Helena connecting for 20 runs on 28 hits (including seven doubles and two home runs) in a 20-8 win over Casper. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
- AZL catcher Tyler Roberts is turning some heads with his performance in his second pro season. Roberts is still only 19, and Battlekow noted that Jason Grey of ESPN says he's one of the better prospects in the AZL. Roberts is hitting .300/.365/.533 in 167 plate appearances, but has also committed 15 passed balls and five errors.
On power rankings:
- Yahoo has the Brewers holding steady at 21.
- Call to the Pen moved the Brewers down one spot to 22.
If you frequent the FanPost section, you might have noticed a post a couple of weeks ago from Matt Swartz of Baseball Prospectus, asking for your help naming batters who consistently face the shift. The resulting post is done (FanPost), and it's a great look at how batters who routinely face the shift get a boost in BABIP in clutch situations. Kudos to Matt and BP for making this article free so everyone who helped with the process could read it.
I have a couple of former Brewer notes today:
- The B-Ref Blog notes that Jose Valentin (five times!) and Robin Yount (four times) are two of just 19 shortstops in baseball history to post at least three seasons with ten or more home runs and stolen bases.
- The Hall of Very Good has an interview with 1995 Brewer Joe Oliver.
No matter how bad your day has been, it's not as bad as every day looks for Casey Kotchman.
Happy birthday today to:
- 2004-05 Brewer Trent Durrington, who turns 35.
- 2003-08 Brewer pitching coach Mike Maddux, who turns 49.
- 1981-83 Brewer Marshall Edwards, who turns 58.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I've found my calling.
Drink up.
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Stephen Strasburg
Tommy John. Ouch.
Suck it monkeys, I'm going corporate!
by Admiral Ackbar, S.J. on Aug 27, 2010 9:52 AM CDT reply actions
That would be nice
Cubs sign Dunn to a two year deal, then they can’t go after Fielder when he’s a FA.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 27, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
that too.
You could see this coming a mile away.
Suck it monkeys, I'm going corporate!
by Admiral Ackbar, S.J. on Aug 27, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Teddy. Bear. Luau.
Suck it monkeys, I'm going corporate!
by Admiral Ackbar, S.J. on Aug 27, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
You get a rec for the account name and avatar.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 27, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
You have to wonder if Rob Dibble will acknowledge his idiocy
Rob Dibble – “Strasburg should suck it up”
"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10
I was thinking the same thing
I mean Dibble looked dumb already, but he is really eating crow now.
"Do not mess around when it's my head. That is personal." -Carlos Gomez
What are you talking about?
It’s only a “significant” tear. Dude’s gotta man up until it’s completely torn. Pansy.
Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)
that sucks.
a phenom who has the stuff to be one of the best pitchers in the league, and ending up having a TJ surgery
by ilikeburritos on Aug 27, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Inevitable
all good pitchers have had it, or will have it. Just a matter of time.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Is that true?
Did these guys ever have it…. Sabathia, Cliff Lee or Halladay? How about Greg Maddux or Glavine?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
You think Maddux and Glavine will need it?
Are they overdoing it in their softball leagues?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
They saved all that service time and pushed off arbitration by keeping him in AAA until June
But they’ll lose what they gained while he is sitting on the DL.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
They are better off than if he broke camp with the team this year and got hurt
But they will not get the additional healthy pre-arb year they were hoping for.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I think they may have gained a 4th option year
Not that Strasburg will need a 4th option year if he comes back OK, but you never know.
At least it isnt shoulder related
Guys have been coming back from TJ with relative success the past few years, with increased velocity.
it's a lesson to me
never ever say about a pitcher “hey, he kind of reminds me of Seth McClung when he actually had command of his curveball” (this is when Strasburg was misdirecting 100mph fastballs near heads in one of his starts.)
Because, gee, same injury. >_<
I bet some guy in the Nationals front office is saying some very bad words right now.
Maybe even throwing something.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I bet some every guy in the Nationals front office is saying some very bad words right now
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 27, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
What if he throws his arm out while angrily throwing something, and needs Tommy John?
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on Aug 27, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would they need him? To help throw things farther/faster?
:)
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
There's no chance Zaun comes back and backs up Lucroy next year, is there...
would be nice.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
It'd be nice if he came back.
Decent switch hitting option off the bench, good defense behind the plate..
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Yeah, probably no chance.
This is his second time with this surgery and before he called it quits this season, I remember him mentioning that coming back after the first time was alot of work.
Since he’ll be 40 next spring, it seems unlikely.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I didn't say to exercise the option.
Can probably resign him for ~1M to backup. Whether or not the additional salary would be worth it, is another matter, but he’d be a hell of a lot better backup than Kottaras.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Hard to say...
Zaun started to hit again before he went onto the DL. He also seemed to be better at throwing out baserunners.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
I am guessing a combo of still dinged up and a little bit of dont give a damn
Has to be hard going out there knowing the team is going no where and that there is a good chance the Bats are not going to support you.
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
I thought and hoped that Yo's ERA was going to be below 2
seems unlikely at this point. :(
hopefully he reaches 200k’s
by ilikeburritos on Aug 27, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
The coveted "Best pitcher on a crappy team" cup
which he’s already got locked up anyway.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Unlikely? How about "impossible"?
Even if he threw complete game shutouts in the rest of his starts, his ERA wouldn’t get below 2.
Besides, is a sub-2 ERA even likely these days? Wainright has the best ERA in the NL with 2.18.
The last time a starter finished the season with a sub-2 ERA was 2005 (Clemens). Before that, it was Pedro in 2000.
Basically, you were hoping Gallardo was going to be the best pitcher in baseball this season? There’s a song that fits you perfectly… it’s about an ant and a rubber tree plant. :)
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
In that case...
Still very much possible… just would need some CG SHOs. :)
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
and now throw in a little bit of held up at gunpoint on top of that
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 27, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't really hope that Yo was gonna get a sub-2 ERA in the first place
I was just thinking about how I wanted Yo to have an ERA in the 2’s so I accidentally typed in 2 instead of 3
by ilikeburritos on Aug 27, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Just heard about that after lunch today.
What restaurant in that area of town is open at 2:30am?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
The...best darn pet shop in town!
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
Best recipe for him would probably be rest of the season off
but thats not going to happen.
FtJ was probably right when he was worried about them pushing him after the oblique injury.
I thought shat like what happen to the Nats only happen to us
The real sad part is they were trying to be careful with him its not like he was throwing a million innings.
Kind of like playing Poker Nats did it right and still got beat on the River.
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
And as we all know you can in depth recall every bad beat you have ever had
I know I can ;)
I guess we can say the Nats got their Ace’s cracked
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
You can?
I don’t remember very many, nor do I try to. I try to remember mistakes instead, since those I can control.
by junyer_mint on Aug 27, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
In the end, though
It’s another win for the people who argue against giving that much money to the #1 overall pick, and the TINSTAAPP folks.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 27, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Google is your friend
""TINSTAAPP" is an abbreviation for There Is No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect"
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=TINSTAAPP&l=1
Apologies if you weren’t being serious.
Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)
High risk, high reward
I suppose it’s a matter of where you stand on the balance.
Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)
True, and since it's his elbow and not his shoulder the Nats will still most likely see a positive return.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 27, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Is the reward even that high?
I can’t think of a single pitcher taken as a top-10 pick that was actually worth the pick in retrospect.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Depends what you mean by worth the pick
But JR Richard, Dwight Gooden, and Kevin Brown were good, Kevin Appier & Barry Zito rewarded the teams that drafted them, and Tim Lincecum and Zach Greinke are some more recent guys picked in the top 10.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
JR Richard
He probably would have been a HOFer if he didn’t get a stroke
by ilikeburritos on Aug 27, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW
I wouldn’t want to be in the HOF if I couldn’t get a stroke.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Too far?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Aug 27, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
you can always buy one
if you can’t get it for free
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 28, 2010 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions
See: MLB draft, 1965-2010
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Shrug, quick and dirty numbers using baseball reference
16.9% of top-10 hitters wound up with 20+ WAR (43 of 254)
11.2% of top-10 pitchers did (23 of 206)
28.7% of top-10 hitters wound up with 10+ WAR (73 of 254)
21.4% of top-10 pitchers did (44 of 206)
Hitters were better than pitchers in both cases, but not enough for me to blame a team for going for a pitcher. Crapshoot either way.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Arguing against the signing bonus is nearly idiotic
Are there people out there that really think Strasburg won’t be worth $15 mil plus salary over his 6 years of control? He’s already produced 70 way above-average innings, and even 1 healthy year would easily justify that bonus. And guys have been known to come back from Tommy John throwing harder.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
News from McCalvy
For #Brewers minor league fans ~ Was told Scooter Gennett missed 5 days b/c of sore shoulder from a dive, not “doghouse”
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Given that minor league parks have all sorts of weird things going on
Maybe he dove into a doghouse.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
by TheJay on Aug 27, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You guys are slacking
Not even Yost could come up with a comment this stupid:
(talking about the Brewers day game record)
“You take those numbers and turn them around, instead of 13 under we’re 13 over, we’re right there in first place.” – Ken Macha
"Do not mess around when it's my head. That is personal." -Carlos Gomez
Probably because we agree with the sentiment
If not the exact math he’s doing.
Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)
Right.
Turning the day game record around is a little ridiculous, but if the Brewers were just 23-22 in day games instead of 16-29, they’d be 66-61, and only 5.5 back.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 27, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
La Russa and Pujols are attending Glenn Beck's rally
I always thought of the Cards as the right wing extreme of baseball (red) and the Brewers as the far left (blue), but I’m also extremely tired which could account for my completely random comment.
Glenn Beck is batshit insane
They’ll fit right in there
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 27, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
No shit
Glenn Beck is one crazy ass dude. But it’s ok.. he’s several stairs away form where MLK made his speech some 47 years ago on the same day.
by SgtClueLs on Aug 27, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Heard that on Jon Stewart last night. Just Wow-!
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
Holy sh!t
That’s pretty scary.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 27, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
This also has me wondering
why Yo was walking about the ghetto at 2:30 in the morning.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Aug 27, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Very scary stuff
But also a good point, not the best choice of things to do at 2:30 am. That’s just asking for trouble. Luckily he is alright.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 27, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
getting a snack after bar close maybe?
There is no food like drunk 2:30am food ;)
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
Too true
I think George Webbs is right around there too. Still, gotta be careful.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 27, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather be robbed at gunpoint
than subject myself to George Webb’s. Unless, of course, I was blackout drunk, which is scientifically proven to be the only condition in which George Webb’s food should be ingested.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Yeah, not sure what bars are around there, but the south side is a mostly latino community.
There’s a good chance that he goes to the bars and restaurants around there, and might have friends from that area, too. I’ve heard that a lot of the pitchers will drink the pain away after getting rocked. It’s not like they have to do anything the next day, so why not.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Sounds like the clubhouse attendant wasn't so lucky
Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)
does anyone know if the grocery store is open that late?
because it could sound a lot less “fishy” than it seems to us if it is, because if there’s anyone with a screwier schedule than a pro ballplayer it’s a clubhouse attendant (even if it was a day game) and it would make total sense for a local celebrity to do his shopping in the middle of the night.
I don't think the grocery store was open
They were just parking in their lot and heading to the restaurant.
By the way, it was likely the El Rey Market parking lot (it’s huge and on the corner), and he was likely heading to Jalisco which is right next door.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
This is all my fault.
I purchased a Gallardo shirzey on July 25th. Since then, he’s put up a shiny -1.146 WPA with two complete disaster starts and was robbed at gunpoint. Awesome.
Oh shit you said priest, not Jesus.
My Bad.
by BrewCrewBrian on Aug 27, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Location changed
Milwaukee police spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz later said no robberies occurred at that location this morning, but she said two men were robbed at gunpoint about 2:35 a.m. in the 1000 block of S. Cesar Chavez Drive.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
I think it's somewhat funny
that the Manny to the White Sox rumors are tempered with the “oh, the dodgers are winning now, so maybe they won’t trade him” talk. Brewers playing spoiler by losing?
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
yeah i read something that said they didn't.
maybe I read it wrong. There’s pie all over my face.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Who'd want a bee as a gift?
They don’t allow you to have bees in here.
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra
Awesome deal may be a little strong.
But I’d have no problem paying him that.
I believe Lawrie will end up @3B or in the OF.
Or 1st base!
Every Brewer prospect projects as a good first baseman!
Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)
So does Lawrie take McGehee's spot at third?
That’s the only spot I can theoretically see him taking, but McGehee looks like he’s a damn good player too.
Trade McGehee then? Have him as a utility guy / platoon with Gamel at first?
I'm thinking trade.
Casey will already be 32 when he hits free agency. Go year to year & see what happens.
Lawrie will likely already be ready to join the team before McGehee is FA-eligible.
Lawrie is still at least two seasons away from being MLB-ready. Lots of things could change between now and then. Right now, they only have him playing 2B, but if they do sign Weeks to a multiyear deal, they will likely try him out at another position.
If Gamel doesn’t work out with the team, they could just move McGehee to 1B and have Lawrie play 3B.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
At least two seasons?
He’s probably ready to graduate to AAA – you think he’ll spend two years there? I’ll be surprised if he spends one full year there.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Liz-ine-up
Weeks 4
Hart 9
Braun 7
Fielder 3
McGehee 5
Dickerson 8
Escobar 6
Lucroy 2
Narveson 1
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Grab some pine.
Sit down, Mr. 3rd best CF.
by klwillis45 on Aug 27, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hah.
A low bar he fails to get over. Worse at the plate, worse on the bases, and worse defensively. I know everyone here hates Gomez, but he’s better than C-Dick.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Oh right, and there's the age thing.
C-Dicks in his “prime” right now.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Dickerson has a better career offensive stats and better career UZR/150 in the outfield, FWIW.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Brewers might get 3 hits tonight
Two of them from Narveson
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 27, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never joke about my work, 007
Okay, maybe I did forget to multiply by 5…
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Aug 27, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Gomez
Wasn’t he already sporting the new batting helmet in his first game back?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Hold up, stop, now wait a minute.
You guys are glossing over the most important factoid in today’s mug. It’s my birthday! I expect the crew to call me any minute with a contract offer to mark the occasion.
by Trent Durrington on Aug 27, 2010 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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