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Tuesday's Frosty Mug

Some things to read while starting with a big bang.

If you missed yesterday, you missed a lot. On the field, the Brewers had one of their best games of the season as Yovani Gallardo and the Brewer bats combined to dominate the Cubs, 18-1. Miller Park Drunk has the best of Cub fan reactions on Twitter.

It's probably safe to assume Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder will remain in the #3 and 4 spots for the foreseeable future. They switched back to that alignment last night and had five hits each, scoring five runs and driving in seven. Fielder's first RBI was the 500th of his career, making him the 12th Brewer ever to reach that mark.

Unfortunately, every silver lining seems to be attached to a massive cloud. Carlos Gomez left the game with dizziness and was taken to the hospital for a CT scan after being hit in the head by a pitch from Cubs reliever Brian Schlitter. Gomez was hit twice in the game.

With Jim Edmonds already out of the game, the Brewers were left without a center fielder and decided to give Alcides Escobar a shot out there. It only took Escobar two innings to turn in a sparkling defensive play. Escobar went 3-for-5 with a walk, scored twice and drove in two runs in what might have been one of his best games as a major leaguer.

Meanwhile, the Brewer offense overshadowed a dominant performance by Yovani Gallardo, who tied a career high with 12 strikeouts while holding the Cubs to a run on two hits in six innings and threw just 95 pitches.

Other notes from the field:

We now have contract details for Corey Hart's new deal: Hart received a $1 million signing bonus, and will earn $6.5m in 2011, $9m in 2012 and $10m in 2013 (FanShot). Adam McCalvy said the deal came together quickly. Meanwhile, reactions to the deal are also coming in pretty fast:

With Hart's deal done, is Rickie Weeks next? Doug Melvin told Adam McCalvy he's had conversation with Weeks about an extension, but talks are slowed by the fact that Weeks is in the middle of selecting a new agent. Weeks' previous agent, Lon Babby, is the new President of Basketball Operations for the Phoenix Suns.

While Weeks and the Brewers may be negotiating, it still sounds like there's nothing happening on the Prince Fielder front. Doug Melvin told Jerry Crasnick "it takes two sides to make a deal."

The non-waiver trade deadline may have passed, but teams still have until the end of August to work out waiver trades. MLB Trade Rumors expects Randy Wolf, Trevor Hoffman, David Riske, Doug Davis, LaTroy Hawkins and Jody Gerut to clear waivers, but expects Dave Bush and Jim Edmonds to get claimed. Jon Heyman says Wolf, Bush and Hoffman could possibly be moved.

Speaking of Wolf, an MRI confirmed that there are no fractures in his left wrist, and he might be able to make his next scheduled start on Saturday (FanShot). Ken Macha raised the possibility that the team could use the off day to shuffle the rotation a bit and push Wolf back to Tuesday.

Even though they didn't make any moves, Jeff Sullivan of SBNation.com gave the Brewers 3 out of 5 obscure Cyrillic letters in his trade deadline review.

In the minors:

On power rankings:

It was a pretty busy day around here yesterday, so you might have missed a couple of great posts that got buried in the shuffle. If you haven't read them yet, go back and take a look at TheJay's post on the Brewers' longest scoreless streaks, and Jordan's note on inactivity at the trade deadline.

Around baseball:

Braves: Placed infielder Martin Prado on the DL with a fractured pinky finger.
Cardinals: Signed pitcher Nate Robertson to a minor league deal.
Cubs: Placed pitcher Carlos Silva on the DL with an irregular heartbeat.
Rays: Placed pitcher Andy Sonnanstine on the DL with a hamstring strain.
Red Sox: Placed Mike Cameron on the DL with a torn abdominal muscle.
Tigers: Acquired outfielder Brandon Jones from the Pirates for a PTBNL.

When the Brewers unveiled their new organizational plan for pitching over the weekend, one of the factors they emphasized was height. It turns out that may not be a relevant factor: Jeremy Greenhouse of The Baseball Analysts wasn't able to prove any correlation between pitcher height and velocity.

On this day in 1997, Jeromy Burnitz tied an AL record by hitting a home run in his second consecutive pinch hit appearance. The Brewers lost to the Mariners anyway, 6-5.

On this day in 2001, the Brewers beat the Braves 3-2 on an 11th inning walkoff wild pitch by Jose Cabrera.

Happy birthday today to:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to solving mysteries.

Drink up.

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pitcher height - speed link

Actually, I’m not surprised there’s not a significant correlation there. But I would expect height gives you more possible angles to cross home plate at and give you greater potential for break. In other words, straight-as-an-arrow fastballs won’t be affected by height, but curves and sliders would be.

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 3, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

What about height vs. durability?

I don’t the best way to measure that (GS? DL time?).

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 3, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Spikes and Rivercats

I can neither confirm nor deny my involvement in the promotions of these two teams. Okay, lets just say I can’t confirm it :P

Someone in a minor league advertising/promotions office must be stalking me though.

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

also my wife has a friend that was in marketing for the Mallards for a couple years

and I guess they’ve been praised for some of their promos.

But I don’t think she’s still working for them.

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 3, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wolf on the move?

(a) Would the Brewers give up Wolf?
(b) Why would the give up on Wolf?
© Who would want Wolf, anyway?

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah that makes no sense at all

It’s extremely rare that a player with 2 more years on a deal (non-arb years) are just picked up on waivers like that, especially when a trade would have to be worked out. I doubt a team would be willing to take the chance to pick him up, and I doubt the Brewers would want to give him up. If they did they’d probably sign another pitcher this offseason. I wouldn’t mind signing Wolf to a 2 year $20 million deal this offseason.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Aug 3, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's about his curent contract

2011 & 2012 = $9.5 million + $1.5 buyout on a club option = $20.5 million 2 years.

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

If I understand correctly, Jordan is saying that given the current contract value, but in a separate universe where he didn’t pitch for the Brewers this season, he would not mind seeing Wolf signed to that contract.

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Aug 3, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Thanks for ’splaining it to me.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If someone were to advocate dumping Wolf somehow during August on a team for nothing (basically giving away his contract), then they’d be looking for a pitcher, like Wolf, to sign to a 2 year, $20 million dollar deal. So that’s why I think a deal would be incredibly unlikely.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Aug 3, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't the idea that Wolf would clear waivers and then be traded

Not that a team would claim him?

I have no doubt he would clear waivers. I very much doubt a) any team would trade for him this month and b) the Brewers would trade him even if one tries.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 3, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not a waiver claim?

I think we’re all in agreement that the Brewers wouldn’t ever trade him. I don’t see why a team wouldn’t put in a claim on him, though. He’s got a fair contract and someone like the Mariners or Athletics could see him as a good 2-year contract to have on their team. I’d be a little surprised if he was not claimed if he’s put on waivers. We’d never know officially, though, would we?

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

We might... if it's released to the media.

They announced that they picked up Davis last season when the D-Backs put him on waivers after the trade deadline, but nothing happened.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Given that they’d have to trade him, Wolf has really no value as a piece in a trade. That’s not to say he doesn’t have value to the Brewers. A trade would just be for a low-level prospect, so I’m comparing this to a waiver claim. Like Alex Rios and the White Sox a few years ago. It just rarely happens.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Aug 3, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bush is intriguing, though

A natural fit at this point in the season is actually St. Louis, isn’t it? They’ve still had absolutely no luck at filling the back end of their rotation. Any manager is playing Russian roulette sending Bush out on the mound, but that’s better than throwing the likes of Suppan (no long in the rotation, though) with all the chambers full.

Normally it might be hard for the team to trade him within the division, but that might not be as much of a concern given win-loss records and time left in the season.

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bush is also the last NL Central pitcher to win a playoff game

Old-school reason to pick him up.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 3, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

So Doug Melvin would refrain from trading him

because his coaching staff makes Bush worth $3 million (to throw out a number), but the Cardinals’ staff makes him worth $5 million. Good times.

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what Melvin would look to acquire in a waiver trade

The major league ready “talent” that clears waivers deserves scare quotes. Maybe the next Josh Butler?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 3, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's got a good junkheap eye

Kapler is the classic example, right? And Edmonds wasn’t junkheap by any means, but he wasn’t heavily pursued and has turned in a performance above most teams’ expectations. Casey McGehee was picked up after the Cubs dumped him.

As much as I’m not a DM fan, I wouldn’t count him out in finding a waiver claim that turns into a productive player next year.

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I'm talking about a trade of one of his waiver guys

He could probably find another Coffey sitting on waivers or released in August/Sept., but that’s different than trading a guy like Bush.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 3, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think all 40-man roster trades after the deadline have to clear waivers

If Doug is looking for major league talent in return, they’ll also have to clear waivers. Doug would be able to arrange a trade with any waiver guys of the trading partner though it would include cash considerations unlike a normal waiver claim couldn’t he?

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got lost in your comment

What I am thinking:

1) If Dave Bush (or whoever) clears waivers, he can only be traded for guys who have also cleared waivers or who are not on the 40-man roster.
2) The players who clear waivers are probably not very valuable, be it because of their contract or talent level.
D) A team will not trade a good prospect not on the 40-man roster for two months of Dave Bush, et al.

That leaves a) not trading Dave Bush or b) trading him for players who are not really prospects but have a chance, a la Josh Butler.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 3, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

HR

According to Hit Tracker, 7 of Wolf’s HR’s given up were “just enough”, so if there was a team in a more pitcher friendly park (like he was in last year with the Dodgers) he might be somewhat effective. Another 5 of those HR’s were only in the 2nd tier of distances.

The Braves, Dodgers, Cardinals and Giants might all take a shot at him if he was waived. The Brewers would probably have to pick up the remainder of his salary this year and then throw in a boatload of cash to get anything worthwhile in return for him, and even then the return would be small.

by backtocali on Aug 3, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

5-2, I think

He started Friday July 23rd and last night was his first road game
3-0 vs Nats
1-2 vs Reds
1-0 vs. Cubs

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Favre retiring

Probably not worth a Fanshot, but Favre is telling the Vikings he’s done.

I hope he’s welcomed in Green Bay in a few years, especially as he enters the Hall of Fame.

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Whatever.

If I was standing outside and could see the sun, feel it’s rays on my face, and Brett Favre said “gee it sure is sunny out here” I’d look again and assume it was cloudy. If you want the truth out of Favre, ask him a question and take the opposite of whatever he says as gospel.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 3, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right...

just like he told the Packers and fans that he was done at the press conference at Lambeau.

Everyone knows that he hates training camp and doesn’t want to bother with it. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him wait until the season is just about to start and tell everyone that he’s not ready to walk away just yet.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just think he wouldn't bother announcing his intent to retire, though

Maybe it’s just a ploy to let the Vikings save face for not having him in training camp. I just don’t think he’d bother saying anything in that case. He didn’t last year.

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Link

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, okay

I still want to believe he’ll stay retired, but that last throw had to have left a bad taste in his mouth.

by ecocd on Aug 3, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

It made me feel great, though

Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.

by theBrouhaha on Aug 3, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically, he hasn't announced anything.

The reports are from other sources.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course he'll be welcomed in Green Bay

In between him and the fans there’s really only been Ted Thompson

by nullacct on Aug 3, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

The little soap opera that happened between Favre and Thompson won’t change what he did for the organization and fans won’t forget that.

To Favre’s credit, he has never bad-mouthed the Packers fans, which I think goes a long way to the organization eventually bringing him back in (e.g. retiring his number, etc.)

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think its as rosey as you make it sound

he betrayed green bay and its fans by going to the vikings and even though its taken awhile the majority of people realize what and arrogant d-bag he is.

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Aug 3, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he was an arrogant d-bag

from the first time he mentioned “retirement”, then “changed his mind”.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome

Team photo.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

That Ax picture is spot on

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kirbir on Aug 3, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

OH!

YOGA!

I get jokes.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Aug 3, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

can we get a figure legend?

some of them I haven’t gotten yet. I suppose that’s part of the fun though for some:P

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 3, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

The first one is Weeks, and my guess would be row 3 #1 is Lucroy (the last regular)

by dtmeyers on Aug 3, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup
 weeks  -   hart   -  braun  - fielder
mcgehee - edmonds  -  gomez  - escobar
lucroy  - gallardo - axford  - inglett
 wolf   -  coffey  - hoffman -  macha

It was just something that was nagging in my mind and had to get out as an image. Most of them have been used here before. We’ve called Inglett different things from Diglett to Piglett in the past – I forget who first said Piglett, but it’s kind of stuck for me. Yoga is Gallardo and Coffey is new, and we didn’t have one for Lucroy so I used the gunslinger Lucky Luke – although I could have used Welcome Back Kottaras I spose.

by nullacct on Aug 3, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

1D could be counsell as well

it’s a similar enough beverage to Capri-Sun

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 3, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess

Except that I don’t see CC crashing through any walls… doesn’t he merely wave his hands and the bricks move out of his way?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jon Luc(roy) Picard

I forget who came up with that one.

by Zorakathura on Aug 3, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Waves

I’ll take credit for that, and for Piglett. And for Million Lineup Macha. And for Old Vegas (though that was a collabo)…

Yep, ego’s feeling okay right now.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 3, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup, forgot about that too

by nullacct on Aug 3, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

JEd!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 3, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Would’ve enjoyed Jed Clampett as part of that montage in honor of Edmonds.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 3, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

?, Hart, Braun, Fielder
McGehee, Edmonds, ?, Escobar?
?, Gallardo, Axford, ?
Wolf, ?, Hoffman, Macha

by KittenMittons on Aug 3, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

2nd line number 3- Gomez
3rd line number 4- Inglett
4th line number 2- Coffey?
Not sure about the others

by dickie_thon on Aug 3, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing

the sticking plasters are Weeks. Might be wrong though…

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on Aug 3, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just realised!

Watch out though, any more mocking our linguistic terminology and we’ll send some more oil your way…

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on Aug 3, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

somehow I didn't see Wolf at 4D

I thought it was a witch or a dancing mexican

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 3, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't see it either.

I saw it as a werewolf, but didn’t make the connection.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 3, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Piglett! Yes!

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 3, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

From all the Cubs tweets posted by Miller Park Drunk

the best has to be:

“The fucking Chicago #Cubs ruined my Mother-Fucking vacation”.

WOW

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on Aug 3, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry if this has been posted

but I skipped to the bottom!

I can only hope that Gomez is placed on the DL and the Brewers are forced to start Lorenzo Cain in CF.

What will actually happen, though, is that JEd and Jinglett will split starts there with Cain on the bench.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 3, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

but then you’d be upset when Gomez comes back and LoCa’s sent back down. They’re just trying to spare you that.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Aug 3, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true

At least The Mustache is saving me that pain.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 3, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer "shirzey"

tyvm

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Aug 3, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh Oh
Brewers 7th-rounder Joel Pierce is preparing to attend Coastal Carolina rather than turn pro. He’s a projectable RHP.

via Jim Callis (BA) twitter

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 3, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Who needs chanticleers anyway?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 3, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

You do voodoo?

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 3, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Bandoliers" by Them Crooked Vultures is an OK song.

(Are we not just offering random words that rhyme? No? I’ll show myself out.)

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Aug 3, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

He’ll be a deadline signing because of the over-slot spending.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Aug 3, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That sounds super-informed.

I have no idea what it means, but it sounds like we’ll sign him so OK. =)

by nullacct on Aug 3, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

MLB has asked teams

That plan to pay their picks more than the standard bonus for their draft slot to wait until mid-August to sign those picks so they don’t throw off everyone else’s negotiations.

The Brewers are going to pay Covey above his draft slot, so they’re waiting on signing him, per the MLB’s request.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 3, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

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