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25 for 25: Brewers

I am actually a St. Louis Cardinals fan, but over the past few months I've been working on a roster for each franchise in the National League, composed of players over the last 25 years. The way this works is that I pick one player from each season and I have to fill out an entire roster (2 catchers, 2 infielders at each position, 6 total outfielders, 5 starting pitchers, 4 relievers)*. I can't take more than one player for each year, I have to take one player each season even in the bad years, and I can't use the same player for multiple positions. If a player played the majority of his games at one position, I can't use that season for another position even if he's played it before. And I used basically minimums of 60 innings or 250 PA's (prorated for strike seasons).

*Because the Brewers spent only the first 12 years of this era in the American League, I treated them the same as the rest of the NL and did not include a DH. To offset that, the one player that would have been an issue, Paul Molitor, was slotted as a third baseman in 1987.

The interesting part with this are the decisions that have to be made, whether it is, "Dang there are some really nice outfielder seasons to choose from, who gets left out?", or, "Does this team even have two decent catchers in a 25-year span?", or, "This guy had so many great years - which one do I choose?" Sometimes a great year gets left out, sometimes a fluke, partial season gets tabbed for the team.

I actually posted the entire NL East, NL West and NL Central on the SB Nation site Viva El Birdos, as well as a fully researched extended version for the Cardinals from 1910 to 1934 and (eventually) a post just like this at all of the other NL sites. You're welcome to pick apart my choices and make suggestions of your own. I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody.

P.S. After completing the whole process and receiving comments last week, I realized that I should have utilized both BP's WARP1 and B-R's WAR numbers instead of just WARP1 along with Win Shares and OPS+/ERA+. (Fangraphs' WAR numbers only go back to 2002, so that would not have helped.) There were a couple players with differences of 2+ wins, so there might be a couple head-scratchers. My apologies.

Star-divide

C – B.J. Surhoff (1990), Dave Nilsson (1999)

1B – Richie Sexson (2003), Prince Fielder (2007)

2B – Willie Randolph (1991), Fernando Vina (1996)

3B – Paul Molitor (1987), Jeff Cirillo (1998)

SS – Pat Listach (1992), Jose Hernandez (2002)

OF – Robin Yount (1988), Darryl Hamilton (1993), Geoff Jenkins (2000), Jeromy Burnitz (2001), Carlos Lee (2006), Ryan Braun (2009)

SP – Teddy Higuera (1986), Chris Bosio (1989), Ricky Bones (1994), Ben Sheets (2004), CC Sabathia (2008)

RP – Bob Gibson (1985), Mike Fetters (1995), Doug Jones (1997), Derrick Turnbow (2005)

Notable exceptions: Jose Valentin (1994), J.J. Hardy (2008), Brady Clark (2005), Corey Hart (2007), Cal Eldred (1993), Jeff D’Amico (2000), Trevor Hoffman (2009)

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Umm...

That’s the wrong Bob Gibson.

by MisterRok on Aug 6, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

That's your Bob Gibson from '85

I had to make do that year. The only decent players you had in 1985 were Molitor (spoken for), Higuera (ditto), and Danny Darwin (wasn’t worth it). So I found the best reliever I could and picked him.

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Aug 6, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

No playing of favorites, so to speak

Just went where the numbers told me to go. Plus I had a slight preference for keeping players with phenomenal seasons in the previous era off of this one. Also I thought it was funny that the guy’s name was Bob Gibson.

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Aug 6, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not move Yount to 1985

And then a reliever from 1988? Sure, Yount’s 1985 is not too impressive but, like you said, neither is anyone else’s.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Aug 7, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why cheapen Yount?

The point is to get as many great seasons as you can and don’t worry about the good or above-average ones.

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Aug 8, 2010 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

No Cooper?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 6, 2010 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Not with Sexson and Fielder at first I guess

Though I’d put Fielder first and Coop 2nd, and drop Sexson altogether. Use Cooper from 1985 – his last good year – and … Brooks Kieschnick as a RP from 2003 :D

by nullacct on Aug 6, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coop has the highest WAR season as a Brewers 1B

6.7 in 1980*

  • - Though depending on the WAR system, Fielder was higher last year.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Aug 6, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cooper is basically average in '85

WARP1 of 1.7, WAR of 1.4. Heck, Gibson put up a higher WARP1 as a reliever.

Sexson was a 5.5 WARP1, a 2.9 WAR in ’03 (with the disagreement being about his defense).

This was simply working the numbers, with little or no room for sentimentality or novelty ;)

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Aug 6, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Forgot about the whole 25 year thing.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 6, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is Robin Yount not at SS?

11.5 WAR in 1982.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Aug 6, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Heh...

I had the same problem.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 6, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's going to go back to his STL threads

and say, “Boy, those Brewers fans really can’t count.”

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 7, 2010 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

It has been a common thread on almost all of the boards. Nevermind the Mets fans who want 5 guys off the ’86 team.

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Aug 7, 2010 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Boy, those Brewers fans really cadon’t count."

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Aug 8, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

math

is not on our side

"I've been banging a lot of bratwurst lately".
Uecker during the 8th inning of his first game back

by molitorfan on Aug 7, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither has pitching

It’s as if everything is conspiring against us.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Aug 9, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

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