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Around SBN: News And Other Updates Leading Up To Pats-Giants

Wednesday's Frosty Mug

Some things to read while maintaining a proper allegiance.

As the Brewers get ready for a getaway-day night game in Cincinnati tonight, a couple of familiar faces and a new one will be in the clubhouse: With September upon us, the Brewers called up Carlos Villanueva, Mat Gamel and Jeremy Jeffress after last night's game (FanShot). If you had told me a year ago at this time that Jeffress would be getting ready to make his major league debut this week, I wouldn't have believed you. The Brewers Bar has another look at the path he's traveled.

Meanwhile, Yovani Gallardo continues to struggle, allowing a season-high eight earned runs in just five innings last night. Gallardo told Tom Haudricourt he "needs to turn it around soon," and it's hard to argue with that. Adam McCalvy says Gallardo's body language seemed to be calling for the hook last night. Jordan Schelling noted that opponents are hitting .406 on balls put in play off Gallardo since he returned from the DL, and hitting .303/.365/.454 overall over the same span.

With last night's loss, Gallardo's ERA is up to 7.23 since coming off the DL on July 22. So what should the Brewers do with him? Jordan Schelling thinks he should go back on the DL, injured or not. TheJay makes the case that, if he's not injured, Gallardo could learn more by battling through ineffectiveness.

Yesterday's Worst Timing Award goes to R.J. Anderson of FanGraphs, who wrote this post discussing how underrated and unheralded Gallardo has been on the national scale.

After the game, all the talk that wasn't about Yovani Gallardo focused on new Red Aroldis Chapman's impressive major league debut. Chapman needed just eight pitches to pitch a perfect eighth inning and hit 103 on the gun, the fastest recorded speed in the majors this season.

Other notes from the field:

The Reds have also made some additions to their roster for today's game: They've called up catcher Corky Miller, first baseman Yonder Alonso and reliever Carlos Fisher.

And, of course, Doug Melvin never misses an opportunity to complain about baseball's roster rules. Melvin told Adam McCalvy that the rules governing September callups create roster imbalances that "can make a huge difference" in extra inning games. Of course, if Melvin really felt like having more players on the bench would give the Brewers a better chance to win, he could call more players up.

Ryan Braun went 2-for-4 last night, and enters today's series finale with 155 hits on the season. Hang with 'em Brewers! notes that Braun needs 45 hits in the Brewers' last 30 games to reach 200 for the second straight year, which is roughly what he did last year.

Carlos Gomez sat the bench again last night, and Howie Magner says the Brewers are sending a message to him by starting Chris Dickerson in his place. Meanwhile, Miller Park Drunk breaks out the fan fiction to suggest an alternative reason why Gomez might be out.

While Gomez sits on the bench, Lorenzo Cain's legend continues to grow. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker has a look at the ground Cain had to cover to make his spectacular catch on Monday, and suggests Cain could be "a 3+ WAR player with room to grow" if he can be around league average offensively and maintain his defensive abilities.

I guess I'm still not allowed to mention Rickie Weeks' performance/health, for fear of jinxing it, so I'll just mention that FanGraphs notes Weeks has one of the most significant changes in his 2010 WAR value.

In the minors:

  • The affiliates went 3-2 last night, with the Arizona Brewers beating the Reds 10-8 to win the AZL Championship. You can read about that and more in today's Minor League Notes.
  • Wisconsin was also a big winner yesterday, belting three home runs en route to a 16-4 victory over Kane County. One of those home runs came off the bat of Khris Davis, who tied a franchise record with his 21st long ball.
  • Two Brevard County Manatees have made the Florida State League's postseason All Star team: utility infielder Sergio Miranda and outfielder Erik Komatsu.

If you're ready to start planning ahead for the offseason, Brewers On Deck has been scheduled for January 30, and tickets go on sale today.

On power rankings:

If you haven't had a chance yet, there's still time to vote in this week's BCB Tracking Poll. The poll will close around noon today, with results posted later in the day.

It was another pretty quiet day on the transaction wire:

Rangers: Acquired outfielder Jeff Francoeur from the Mets for infielder Joaquin Arias, and designated outfielder Brandon Boggs for assignment.
Reds: Placed Laynce Nix on the DL with a sprained ankle.
Rockies: Acquired pitcher Manny Delcarmen from the Red Sox for a minor leaguer.

I just got done learning this rule, and now it might be on its way out: Maury Brown of The Biz of Baseball says the "Super Two" arbitration rule will be one of the topics discussed during negotiations for baseball's new Collective Bargaining Agreement, which will begin this winter.

I mentioned the Brewer Arizona Fall League players in yesterday's Mug, but one more player that might interest some Brewer fans has been added to the league: Former Brewer farmhand Tom Wilhelmsen, the Brewers' 2002 7th round pick, will represent the Mariners on the Peoria Javelinas.

On this day in 1964, Bob Uecker had one of the best days of his playing career. Playing for the Cardinals against the Milwaukee Braves, Uecker hit a home run (the only one he hit all season) and drove in the winning run in the ninth inning of a 5-4 win.

Happy birthday today to 1963-65 Milwaukee Brave Rico Carty, who turns 71.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to find my secret admirer.

Drink up.

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Can you find stats on RISP? They used to have them on the ESPN stats page, but cant find them anywhere….particularly looking for batting average with risp…..

by backtocali on Sep 1, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I was kind of looking more for

A sortable list by league for players….

There is something like it onBaseball Prospectus, but not a clear cut risp #…it dividides it into success with players on each base, etc….

by backtocali on Sep 1, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was kind of looking more for

A sortable list by league for players….

There is something like it onBaseball Prospectus, but not a clear cut risp #…it dividides it into success with players on each base, etc….

by backtocali on Sep 1, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like baseball reference

Look up the player, then splits, then scroll down. Here’s a direct link for Fielder this year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=fieldpr01&year=2010&t=b#bases

I asked the same question on this site, so I’m happy to complete the karmic circle.

Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)

by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why are you looking?

risp avg is pretty much a useless stat

by klwillis45 on Sep 1, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not for everyone.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ooops.

Figure you could get some benefit on the effectiveness of a shift if you look at a player like prince fielders situational hitting stats.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

It actually isn't entirely useless

The study that Matt Swartz did on players against the shift shows that the opposing teams play different defensive alignments when there are runners in scoring position. RISP numbers aren’t necessarily a measure of “clutch” as many people perceive them (though they could be), but they’re certailny a measurement of how players perform against a different defensive alignment. Situational hitting statistics are informative.

For an example with a runner on first, when a team is confronted with a batter that’s either very fast or liable to lay down a bunt for base hit, they’re unable to play at double play depth. That means a sharp grounder is more likely to get through so this player’s “true” BA with runner on 1st with 0 or 1 out (not measurable due to sample size, mind you) may very well be higher than a slow guy.

Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)

by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey when MU grows up and becomes a big boy University with a Div 1 football program

Than they can call Bucky a rodent

On Wisconsin

Hell even Valpo has a football team

"It's a joke. It's all a joke.

by WSB Chris on Sep 1, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Judging schools based on which sports teams they have is silly.

Marquette FTW.

Also, Wisconsin can’t be a “big boy” University without a Baseball team, so the state is 0/2, I guess.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

No matter what anyone says

you’re on MY coolest people in Milwaukee list, buddy.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Badgers are clearly cooler than "Golden" Eagles.
a badger named Kleinman was documented stealing a meal out of a puff adder’s mouth and casually eating the meal in front of the hissing snake. After the meal, Kleinman began to hunt the puff adder, the species being one of the badger’s preferred venomous snakes. He managed to kill the snake and began eating it, but then collapsed on the dead snake as he had been bitten during the struggle. After about two hours he surprisingly awoke. Once he had recovered, the badger continued with his meal and then resumed his journey.

by NoahJ on Sep 1, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Battling a deadly snake for a piece of meat?

Yeah, that sounds like a bright animal.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Sep 1, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wish I could fin an image

But my favorite fan sign I’ve ever seen was one held up by a UW fan at a Marquette – Wisconsin basketball game a few years ago which read, in reference between the difference between the 2 schools:

Wisconsin – Twice the education for a third of the price….

Or something like that. Rings pretty true.

by backtocali on Sep 1, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why not?

He knew he was going to eventually eat the snake.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Sep 2, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why is "golden" in quotes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Eagle

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Sep 1, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

um, no

I say “Warriors” rather than “Golden Eagles” as it’s what I grew up with.

And I have more excuse for doing so than my Grandpa who still called the Brewers the Braves until his last days.

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 1, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying why did you only put "Golden" in quotes

and not “Golden Eagles”.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Sep 1, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops

I should probably pay a little bit closer attention

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Sep 1, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

How much money does any school's baseball program bring in?

It’s not a big boy sport unless people care.

Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)

by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I care.

and that’s all that matters.

MU seems to do alright for itself financially without a football team, so, is THAT really important?

It’s going to be a long day, isn’t it.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, why not just defer to the rankings?

I got a better education for less money at Madison.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Everyone knows

The true measure of a division I school is how good their men’s soccer team is and how many Frank Caliendos it has produced.

by drezdn on Sep 1, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Badgers have a football team?

who knew?

Most students don’t even seem to know until midway through the 2nd quarter.

Purple Gatorade Comes Out.

by Admiral Ackbar, S.J. on Sep 1, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

can't blame them

with some 10AM start times on a saturday

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 1, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it does stink

It’s not waking up that’s really the hardest part, it’s trying to get up early enough and tailgate before the game. 8 am wakeups on a Saturday are hard for anyone

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Sep 1, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

All students from middle school to college actually

And most 20-somethings, and even into the 30’s from what I’ve heard. It gets easier with age, must’ve gotten much easier at 50 I imagine.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Sep 1, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm up before 7, pretty much every day.

If I wasn’t, the Mug would be published in the afternoon.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Sep 1, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since the "working man" doesn't stay up late on Friday night, ever

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, by the time you're in your mid 20's

you should be used to getting 3-5 hours of sleep a night.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It really depends what kind of person you are though

Some really aren’t morning people, others don’t like wasting their day. It’s hard to speak for a whole age group.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Sep 1, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK

but ‘being used to’ is a lot different from ‘not hard’.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

As if MUs football team would be any different.

This is still WI & there’s still beer to be drank.

by klwillis45 on Sep 1, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

I can’t help it if Goolsby’s wants me to have another beer before tipoff. It happens.

Purple Gatorade Comes Out.

by Admiral Ackbar, S.J. on Sep 1, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

So are you one of the folks

who’s all saddy pants that the students don’t get there until after the game starts, and then you’re even more saddy pants when they do get there and start chanting and acting like drunk college student?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly.

Yes, I’m ‘saddy pants’ when the game is a secondary activity to getting hammered.

/Get off my lawn.

Purple Gatorade Comes Out.

by Admiral Ackbar, S.J. on Sep 1, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

The game is not secondary.

It’s just more fun when hammered, and day games start way too early to pound that much alcohol that fast. That’s why the student section fills up much quicker for the night games.

by miklovin on Sep 1, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Badgers are #12 in the nation

Anyone at UW who cares about football knows. If you run into a significant amount of people who don’t know, it may be because many people attend the school for the academics. Startling, but true.

by nullacct on Sep 1, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey now

Coming from someone who still goes there, I know enough people who show up in the 2nd or 3rdd inning to Brewers games because they’re still out in the parking lot tailgating.

Same goes for Badgers fans, although it is annoying to show up on time and see whole sections empty till the 2nd offensive series of the game for Wisconsin.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Sep 1, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

not really

they could easily add another womens’ sport too

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 1, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Calling for a Survey

of which Women’s sport should be added at UW….

by backtocali on Sep 1, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beach volleyball?

knuckledraggers unite!

Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)

by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure what sports they have

do they have lacrosse
softball
volleyball
rugby

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 1, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

At times their volleyball team is very successful

The Crew team is likewise always competitive. Rugby still isn’t organized so it wouldn’t count towards Title IX. UW-Madison has a curling team, for instance, but they don’t count towards Title IX.

I like the idea of lacrosse and softball, but coming up with the money for a softball and the according men’s baseball team – both money losers – would be difficult. Lacrosse is a pretty cool sport so I wouldn’t mind seeing that expand further.

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by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you're saying that Rugby is no where NCAA-recognized and is still a club sport everywhere?

I’m actually surprised that the Ivy league (and the Pac 10 for that matter) haven’t shoved it down the rest of the country’s throats.

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 1, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

From a former UW Women's Rugby Player

It is not yet technically a NCAA sport, although there is some effort being made. See “10 by 2010 Program” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby. Many, many schools have well organized, competive women’s rugby teams, just not NCAA ruled.

by Princess Grumbles on Sep 1, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

good to hear

I was at Iowa State in the mid-‘90s where they were just starting up the club team (and intramural teams, trying to get more women to learn and play) and I’m glad to see that the sport is doing so well.

by morineko on Sep 1, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

Penn State’s woman’s team is very good. I was on the men’s team very briefly and we practiced at the same time as them.

"I've been banging a lot of bratwurst lately".
Uecker during the 8th inning of his first game back

by molitorfan on Sep 2, 2010 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

their volleyball team hasn't lost in about 4 years

I guess if you’re an elite female athlete, Penn State is the place to be

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 2, 2010 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

They already have a softball team

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on Sep 1, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

How?

Do you determine that it would be easy for them to add another womens’ sport?

by miklovin on Sep 1, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what I understand

it’s already somewhat of a mess. For example, Women’s Crew gets to train in Hawaii, while Men’s crew has to go to Tennessee owing to lopsided funding to compensate for much more expensive men’s sports like Football, Basketball, and Hockey. I’m guessing that just up and adding another sport for women is not going to happen, or they wouldn’t have cut baseball in the first place.

by Princess Grumbles on Sep 1, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, interesting

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate the way that big sports absolutely kill support for Title IX

it sets it up as such a misogynist situation: “we’re cutting your small men’s sport so women can play” instead of the truth, which is “we need 200 football players more than we need 25 baseball players, and we’re out of Title IX compliance because of the 200 football players”

by morineko on Sep 1, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Melvin is an idiot

I’ve been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but he needs to go back to Canada, and hopefully sooner, rather than later.

The division leaders and the potentials thereof, call up a bunch of folks, in spite of their AAA or AA teams because they’re….:drum roll: TRYING TO WIN THE DIVISION!!!! That’s right Johnny! Tell her what she’s won!

The only thing the Brewers have going for them right now is that a couple of their minor league teams have a shot at the playoffs. Raiding them takes any interest in the entire organization and flushes it down the crapper (other than folks like us who will watch to see what’s been hiding in Huntsville and Nashville this season).

I hope is passport is still valid for his move back to the hinterlands.

"The Milwaukee Brewers' line score is starting to resemble an international phone number" - Pittsburgh Pirates Radio during 20-0 shutout - 4-22-10

by MadtownTim on Sep 1, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Eh, I agree with Melvin in this case.

Though I don’t take major issue with it, and it sounds like he doesn’t either. Wouldn’t mind shortening the milb season so that things wrap up at the end of august, so teams don’t have to make a choice between supporting their milb branches or improving the big league team (albeit temporarily). But again, it’s not a major problem, so, who cares.

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by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

it sounds like he doesn’t either

Then why has he harped on it for two years in a row?

Just like last year: I don’t even understand what his complaint is.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Sep 1, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Straw man...

That’s all it really is. “Look MLB is after me/us” stuff. Thats exactly why the Brewers aren’t very good, the 40 man roster expansion.

Now if he picked a subject that actually had something to do with why the Brewers are struggling, then I’d agree. Things like comp picks (See Sabathia, C.C.) and the fact we are in a big division which cuts down the likely hood we make the playoffs… then I’m sure we’d all agree.

But this MLB is out to get me crap… is just an excuse for him to try to justify his job.

by SgtClueLs on Sep 1, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

he’s trying to make this issue into another arrow for his “large clubs vs. small clubs” quiver:

Melvin used to raise the issue at the General Managers Meetings but met resistance, especially from the large-market clubs.

That dog won’t hunt.

SRS BSNS

by Rubie Q on Sep 1, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Off course he is..

And yes, it does suck because we are the small club. But that doesn’t mean he can’t start operating under the economic realities until he gets some kind of traction.

But instead, he tries to operate the club like a larger market then it is. Other clubs are able to succeed in similar market sizes, so why can’t we?

by SgtClueLs on Sep 1, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think you have to look to ownership, too

Mark A. has basically said he refuses to go through the typical small market cycle of periodically selling off a good portion of the team’s players. In the article , he also seemed to imply it was because he wanted to keep drawing 3 million fans, and that he wanted to get to .500, then sort of back tracked and said that’s not why, and couldn’t really offer a reason other than “we worked hard to get here, we’re not going back”. Which is extremely short-sighted in my opinion.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That may be part of it..

But if you look at the history of the club since MA took over. He admitted that he didn’t know squat about running a baseball team and how Doug took him under his wing and taught him the ropes. So if DM was his mentor, it’s easy to say that ownership will resemble Dougs strategy and take on how a club should be run. Everything that MA has learned has come through the Canadian filter.

So I’d say that yes, everything MA is doing reflects DMs philosophy. That is, until MA wants to win again.

by SgtClueLs on Sep 1, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Drawing 3 million fans and making the postseason are two different goals

If you give a fanbase a belief that the team being sent on the field has a good chance to win, then you’re going to draw fans. The interest will always peak when there’s a chance at making the postseason, but managing a .550 or .600 (48-32) home record would at least show people a good time when they come to the ballpark, especially when/if the economy picks up again and people start spending.

Regarding building a champion, Milwaukee would be more like the Twins system than the Marlins or Rays with the payroll he’s wiling to put up. The Twins seem to stay competitive with a few free agents and a core of young guys. The Brewers definitely have the core of young guys – they just not on the mound. It’s unfortunate that so much of the payroll is tied up in ineffective pitching.

Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)

by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with almost all of your post

I just think its too difficult to pin interest on the home winning record. For example last season, I went to 11 games. I think the Brewers lost 9 of them.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The marketing has been good.

We’ve had a lot of positive press about how this is a special group of guys, they’re a lot of fun, and they have a very positive clubhouse with a lot of fun energy. I’m sure everyone likes to think about their team this way but as Wisconsin fans this appeals to us from a marketing standpoint in that we are more eager to be attached to a team that has great character, win or lose, than not.

I think with their current approach they can keep the fan draw strong as long as they stay in the 75-80 win range, and show a fighting chance at contention. But when their personnel moves and commentary doesn’t match the image they’re selling, people will turn a blind eye – and stop buying tickets – until they correct it.

In short, being 10 games out isn’t as bad for business as having spoiled kids and greedy free agents on the squad.

/2¢

by nullacct on Sep 1, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you're the Cubs

you get both 10 games out AND spoiled kids and greedy free agents!

Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)

by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

love it still

"I've been banging a lot of bratwurst lately".
Uecker during the 8th inning of his first game back

by molitorfan on Sep 1, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he has a point with the draft and free agent compensation

but this is batsh*t insane. I don’t have much to add to your rant. I wonder if this was taken out of context of a much broader rant.

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by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I really don't get his big complaint.

If you want to rail against “unfairness” in MLB, he has much fatter targets. He is part of a 6 team division with no DH spot.

by klwillis45 on Sep 1, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am glad teams don't use the "we're too poor to call up as many players as Team X" excuse anymore

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Sep 1, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're still seeing it, just not in those words.

If money wasn’t an object, they could empty out Nashville, sign some minor league free agents to fill in the gaps so the Sounds can play out their last week, and have 35 guys in the clubhouse.

The Sounds aren’t in the playoff race (as of yesterday they were in fourth place), so the only reason not to call up everyone for “just in case” situations is money.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Sep 1, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

So DM is upset because of $300k disparity?

That’s petty even for him.

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by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it even 300K?

Isn’t it a pro-rated portion of 300K?

by drezdn on Sep 1, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was assuming $100k / player

There were 3 players difference between the Brewers and Red. There are incidental costs besides salaries that the team incurs with additional players on the roster between travel and per diem. Even payroll taxes to the U.S.and state governments add up.

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by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, unless I'm reading it wrong

The Reds and Brewers both called up three players, so the disparity DM suggested is merely hypothetical.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Sep 1, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah.

Thanks for the correction. He’s still quibbling over $300k hypothetically.

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by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

and booze

so TLR can make it all the way home.

"I've been banging a lot of bratwurst lately".
Uecker during the 8th inning of his first game back

by molitorfan on Sep 1, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brewers aren't in the race either

and I’d rather see most of our minor leaguers getting consistent playing time than worrying about who will pinch hit late in a game during a lost season.

by dtmeyers on Sep 1, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...

You’re saying that DM should put the minor league teams ahead of the MLB team? It’s all fine and dandy that the minor league teams are doing well, but let’s not forget that their sole purpose is to prepare players to play in MLB.

Besides, I (and I’m sure others) would prefer seeing some of these guys in action during as the season winds down.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Sep 1, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

No...

What I’m saying is that Melvin is doing right now. Huntsville is 3 out of the wild card with 8 games remaining. If they raid Nashville too hard, Huntsville then loses players to AAA, effectively killing their chance at the wild card.

I’m saying that if it’s that much of an issue for him, it should be “minor leagues be damned” and call up 40. Hell, make them a heavy mix of pitchers as opposed to fielders. That way, extra innings games a non-issue.

And, as I said, “other than folks like us who will watch to see what’s been hiding in Huntsville and Nashville this season”…

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by MadtownTim on Sep 1, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, but "prepare" is a broad term

getting PT in MLB is one way to prepare, and i suppose sitting on the edge of the bench (not getting PT) might help in some ways, too. but helping an affiliate get revenue from the playoff chase/ playoffs and getting your prospects pennant race experience (even if just in the minor leagues) also has benefit.

by Capt Science on Sep 1, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

There aren't any relevant playoff races to factor in here.

Nashville is well out, and Huntsville is a few games back and sliding.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Sep 1, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Giants to call up Darren Ford.

Ex-Brewer farmhand traded for Ray Durham.

by klwillis45 on Sep 1, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

He's just a pinch-runner

OPSing .680 in AA at age 24 – he’s not a prospect.

by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 1, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

And defensive replacement.

They’ve got Burrell in left & did you see Cody Ross in RF the other night. Yeesh.

by klwillis45 on Sep 1, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

And, on the evil of ESPN

Good article from the L.A. Times, super choice lead-in (thanks @craigcalcaterra):

Joe Davidson has been slinging copy for the Sacramento Bee for more than 20 years and, though he loves pro and college games, the sportswriter’s real passion is high school sports.

Davidson has become enough of a fixture that coaches and fans in Folsom must have been surprised Friday when a television producer shouted at the veteran writer that he didn’t belong in the press box for the big Grant-Folsom high school football game.

When Davidson insisted that he indeed did have a seat reserved in the press box, the TV woman snapped: “I’m ESPN!”

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by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

This.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Sep 1, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with nationally televised high school games

They do it with Little League. I’m assuming you’re against that, too.

I do have a problem with ESPN assuming they’re more entitled to the press box than anyone else. There would be a VIP press box if someone was supposed to get preferential treatment. It would seem to me that Miss “I’m ESPN” didn’t have to work her way up through the ranks or she’d have some respect.

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by ecocd on Sep 1, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the little league world series, really.

It sucks that they show kids crying on national TV, but I think the kids enjoy it for the most part. And there’s a huge difference between the little league world series, and a regular season high school football game from some random state. I realize high school football is huge down south, but why is it on National TV? I wouldn’t watch some random little league game between the Paris, TX Blue Jays and the Angels, but I’ll watch the LLWS if it’s on….

I wouldn’t personally watch The Texas State Championship HS football game, but I’m sure there would at least be an audience for that.

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by tcyoung on Sep 1, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

televising high school sports

I don’t get why there would be national interest in a non-championship game. I know that the public access channels around here sometimes televise the first rounds of high school playoff games (I don’t remember if it was Prescott or River Falls or Ellsworth, or what sport, but it was on) and of course Minnesota has this giant statewide tradition over the Prep Bowl and the hockey and basketball playoffs, but even that’s kind of meaningless outside of the state. If it’s something like the LLWS or the Area Code Games or the various other high school athlete all-star games/showcases, that’s one thing, but random football? That’s ridiculous.

by morineko on Sep 1, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a fundamental difference between the LLWS and HS football games, though.

The appeal of the LLWS is tradition, kids playing ball, America’s pastime, mom, apple pie, all that stuff.

The appeal of televised HS football games is “Holy crap that guy runs a 4.33 40 and is the #32 WR prospect in the nation according to five different recruiting services if State gets him we will be undefeated for four years he’s better than our best player but he’s considering six other schools plz plz plz plz pick State and make my miserable life worth living ah crap I peed my pants again”

One of those is a perfectly valid, healthy reason to televise/watch a sporting event. The other is just enabling derangement.

by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 1, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Imagine ESPN when the NFL & NBA are both locked out

High school basketball every night.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Sep 1, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

that

and the comments section of any article or chat on college football.

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by molitorfan on Sep 1, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theyre owned by Disney

What would you expect? The same evil that unleashed Britney Spears, the Jonas Brothers and Snow White on the world.

by backtocali on Sep 1, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Britney Spears, the Jonas Brothers, and Snow White?

If you can only think of 2 examples, probably should go ahead and just list 2 examples.

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by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

cough cough

Miley Cyrus

"Staying up to watch the 10 o'clock Olds? This just in--Go to bed."

by schmita91 on Sep 1, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Billy Rae unleashed her on us

don’t blame Disney.

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by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I for one, am thankful for the Spears unleashing

Not for the music. For the teenage lust I felt for her, and then subsequently the hilarity of drunken idiocy that ensued. She’s so flexible.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

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by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

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by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

In other news

Marxist Empire was called up to the big leagues by the Tigers.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Sep 1, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

We're only a game and a half up on the Dodgers

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

Can’t slip. Cannot slip! It doesn’t matter.

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by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Awesome

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I misread that.

Oh wells. Shrizugity.

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by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah,

I looked at our comp-pick for Covey as being a game and a half up on the dodgers, but that pick doesn’t move.

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by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Macha still believes that there is nothing to be concerned about with Yo

seriously? He’s been shelled for the majority of his games ever since his return from the DL. His ERA ballooned from 2.52 to 3.86. His opp. batting average rose from .232 to .251. Obviously there’s something to be concerned about and something’s not right with Yo. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out

by ilikeburritos on Sep 1, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe he meant physically?

Just because he’s been getting rocked doesn’t mean there’s something physically wrong with him. I’ll trust the trainers versus us.

http://www.twitter.com/mykenk

by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Velocity appears down slightly from what it was at pre-DL

but nothing that seems like it would be indicative of an injury. I wonder what his release points and spin angles look like…

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, velocity drop

may be due to the total IP climbing, and I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.

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by Mykenk on Sep 1, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting, not sure what to make of it

I’ll dig through maybe by game or something to see if there was a specific date for the change.

Here is the pre-DL release points:

Note that there seem to be two distinct groupings.

Here is post-DL release points:

These appear to be similar to the release points in one of the ‘clouds’ in the pre-DL data.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow those aren't big

But, nonetheless, you can get the idea

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, the 5/22 start is when he started releasing more in the middle.

Could be a move on the rubber, or an arm action change.

It isn’t as if he was totally ineffective since then, but he’s still releasing at the point more in the middle, and has been considerably less effective since returning from the DL. Maybe not causation, possibly correlation.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Makes sense to me

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Sep 1, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

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