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by Kyle Lobner on Sep 20, 2010 8:22 AM CDT
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Before I get started this morning, I wanted to take a moment to thank everyone who filled in for me last week while I was on vacation. Miller Park Drunk, Admiral Ackbar, Rubie and Hangwith'em Rach did a great job making sure the site didn't miss a beat while I was gone. Please join me in thanking them by taking a moment to visit their sites this morning.
Chris Narveson had his worst outing in a while yesterday, allowing six earned runs for the first time since July and issuing four walks for the first time since June, while lasting just 4.2 innings. Some creative umpiring has people wondering what might have been, though: With two strikes, two on and two out in the first inning, Narveson threw a pitch to Pat Burrell that appeared to be strike three (even Adam McCalvy said so), but it was called a ball and Burrell eventually walked. That loaded the bases and set the stage for Jose Guillen's grand slam.
Lorenzo Cain was back in the lineup yesterday, going 0-for-4 in his first appearance since September 13 and his first start since the 12th. Cain was benched as punishment for showing up late for Wednesday's series finale in Houston: He told Adam McCalvy he thought it was a 7 pm start.
Alcides Escobar also went 0-for-4 yesterday, and is now hitting .145/.190/.218 in September. Ken Macha praised him for improving defensively this season but says he still has work to do at the plate, and would like to see him work on bunting for hits.
With yesterday's loss, the Brewers have been officially eliminated from postseason contention. Ryan Braun noted that this is the first season of his major league career where the team has never really been in the race, and called that "disappointing." At least Braun is finishing the season strong, though: After his home run yesterday, he's hitting .389/.444/.599 in his last 41 games, and now sits just 23 hits shy of 200 with 14 games left to play. Jim Breen of Bernie's Crew has a deeper look at the numbers and says there's still reason to be concerned about Braun's 2010 performance.
Other notes from the field:
- Jose Guillen, Barry Zito and Chris Narveson are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Here are the MLB.com video highlights, and a clip of Ryan Braun robbing Cody Ross of a home run in the first inning.
Chris Narveson's rough start followed two pretty nice outings by Brewer pitchers over the weekend. On Friday, Yovani Gallardo held the Giants to one run on five hits over seven innings (and didn't hang around to talk to reporters afterwards). Then on Saturday, Randy Wolf pitched a complete game shutout, his first since 2008 and the Brewers' first by a non-Gallardo this season. Wolf's impressive outing caught The Bucky Channel by surprise.
Jeremy Jeffress has made five relief appearances as a Brewer this September, including four scoreless outings. It's possible he could make the team as a reliever next spring, but Doug Melvin told Adam McCalvy the organization still hasn't given up on him as a starter. Jeffress has pitched just 37.1 innings since returning from his suspension, and is headed to the Arizona Fall League to get more work in once the season is over.
Meanwhile, Trevor Hoffman hasn't appeared in a game since recording his 600th save on September 7. Ken Macha told Tom Haudricourt that the lack of use "has not been by design." My last two games were saves #599 and 600 and I'm going again tonight, so Hoffman will likely pitch.
Doug Davis had been working to rejoin the Brewers and pitch out of the bullpen during the season's last couple of weeks, but those plans have been scrapped and his season is over. The Brewers will almost certainly turn down Davis' option for 2011, and with injury questions hanging over his head Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar wonders if this might be the end of the road.
In the minors:
- All the talk about the Brewers potentially changing AA and AAA affiliates turned out to be much ado about nothing. The Brewers extended their agreement with Nashville for two more seasons (FanShot), and were forced to do the same with Huntsville after all 29 other teams renewed their agreements with their AA affiliates (FanShot).
- If you weren't paying attention last week, you might have missed Helena winning the Pioneer League championship. It was the first time it's happened since 1996, when Helena and Ogden (both Brewer affiliates at the time) met in the championship series.
- Minor League Baseball Prospects ranked the top 40 prospects from the Arizona League, with two Brewers (outfielder Max Walla at 14 and pitcher Brooks Hall at 32) making the cut.
- The Brewers re-signed a couple of potential minor league free agents, according to Brewerfan.net: infielder Anderson Machado and catcher Anderson De La Rosa. Both players spent the 2010 season with Huntsville.
This isn't exactly the ideal time to be starting a Brewer blog, but it's a welcome addition nonetheless: Seth McClung is now blogging about the Brewers for OnMilwaukee.com. (FanShot)
The NBA season is around the corner, and TheJay looked ahead and made a list of potential Bucks-Brewers TV conflicts on FS Wisconsin. Four April games could be affected but, as statsllc noted in the comments, two of the Brewer games could be afternoon contests.
Around baseball:
Cardinals: Designated pitcher Evan MacLane for assignment.
Padres: Designated pitcher Cesar Carrillo for assignment.
Rockies: Acquired reliever Octavio Dotel from the Dodgers for a PTBNL.
We don't have much for transactions today, but we do have one very unfortunate (and predictable) injury note: Cubs rookie Tyler Colvin is out for the rest of the season after being impaled with a shard of a broken bat in yesterday's game. The bat punctured Colvin's lung, and some of the air that escaped is now trapped between the outside of the lung and the inside of the chest wall. If you're still not convinced that something needs to be done to prevent broken bat injuries, Wezen-ball has a montage for you.
Elsewhere in unfortunate injuries, Cardinals backup catcher Jason LaRue is retiring due to a concussion suffered when he was kicked in the head by Reds pitcher Johnny Cueto in a brawl a month ago. Jeffrey Gross of The Hardball Times has a look at the potential legal implications of the brawl and its result.
Carlos Lee is one of baseball's worst defensive outfielders (UZR has him at -13.9 runs this season) but the Astros still owe him $37 million over the next two years, so they're looking for a new place to play him. Since Lance Berkman was dealt Lee has played in ten games at first base, and it's possible that will be his long term home.
By the end of this week the Brewers will no longer hold a pretty dubious record. As TheJay pointed out on Twitter, Arizona entered yesterday's game needing nine strikeouts to break the 2001 Crew's record for most in a season. They struck out six times in a loss to the Pirates.
Needing some help getting your brain going on a Monday morning? Sporcle wants you to name the last 5 RBI leaders by team. I got 94, and gave up four minutes early.
Happy birthday over the weekend to:
- Wisconsin Timber Rattler Joey Paciorek, who turns 22 today.
- 1999 Brewer Jim Abbott, who turned 43 Sunday.
- Jody Gerut, who turned 32 Saturday.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get to the parp.
Drink up.
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I hope that's a good tip...
cause I just bought 10,000 of these
by thefreewheelin76 on Sep 20, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
big whoppiediedo
they tested 11 whole bats
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 21, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I got 80
and missed a couple easy ones that would have put me over triple digits
107.
Whiffed on the Rockies and Giants.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
who the heck is Emil Brown
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
by theBrouhaha on Sep 20, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Colvin..
Wow.. I heard about it but didn’t see a video till this morning. That’s pretty scary, hope this doesn’t effect the kid long term.
Wow.. I heard about it but didn’t see a video till this morning. That’s pretty scary, hope this doesn’t effect the kid long term.Wouldn’t any modification to the bat (Say a metal pin or stronger membrane) increase the hitting power for all the hitters?
Anyone know
Was it a maple bat?
This sort of thing never happened until Maple Bats came along. There’s your solution….and along with it, Bud Selig’s a day late and a dollar short measure to combat the problem.
Yep, and there's the predictable
oh my god, something freakish and completely unpredictable happened, let’s blame everyone’s favorite scapegoat.
So ridiculously stupid I feel dumb for commenting on it.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
by Mykenk on Sep 20, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wouldn't call it unpredictable
Considering how much lumber is flying around I was expecting this much sooner. And I’m not sure if it’s just the bat being maple or if it’s also the narrow handles they use these days.. either way the league should be stepping in to reduce the danger of injury.
It's unpredictable, maybe not unfathomable.
it’s completely random. If Colvin isn’t on third breaking for home, this doesn’t happen. If he’s a step slower, it doesn’t happen.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
If it's not him, it's the pitcher, the base coach, a fan
This was an accident waiting to happen. You can only have so many things flying around in the same space before predictably one of them will collide with another.
Agreed
No point in ever trying to fix a problem.
Should have never came up with Batting helmets.
Should have never started using nets behind home plate.
Should have never improved catching gear.
Man baseball should have been canceled a long time ago.
is the batting helmet on the plus side of the cost benifit?
I don’t know this for a fact but I assume most major league players have at least one of their own helmets. Is the few players who get hit in the head every year work out in your cost/benefit analysis to be financially acceptable?
The thing is, it doesn’t really matter if it does or it doesn’t because not every decision is made based on money.
That's true
I’d say batting helmets have a much higher benefit/cost ratio, though.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Just because they are higher on the cost benifit ratio doesnt make them cost effective.
Lets ban batting helmets and catching gear too.
While we are at it, lets ban the cup.
Well if the cup is gone, why not gloves too?
Oh yeah and we can’t have any padding on the walls, it just isn’t cost effective. The have to concrete or brick, take your pick.
by BrewCrewBrian on Sep 20, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't understand cost/benefit analysis, do you.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
by Mykenk on Sep 20, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're just being silly
Baseball’s been around for 150 years and no one got impaled by a bat until maple showed up.
i think more of it is the manufacturing shortcuts and the narrower handles that have developed
but there’s probably something about modern maple that doesn’t help.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 21, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a really dumb comment.
Clearly they should just switch to plastic bats and wiffle balls.
by Noah Jarosh on Sep 20, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
You could easily decrease the likelyhood of this happening if you ban maple bats
Sure, it’s freakish and unlikely, but with the amount of bats that are breaking, it was bound to happen.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
MLB can always deaden the ball to keep power numbers in line with what fans are used to
and if that’s what they have to do to in order to make going to a new bat that is safe work, they need to do it yesterday
I still think
anyone calling for an equipment change because of this is vastly overreacting. I’ve seen far more pitchers getting injured by line-drives than I have players hurt by broken bats, no one’s advocating a change to the ball. It’s an unfortunate situation, but it’s not going to help to overreact. The same thing happened after the Mike Coolbaugh incident. A freak occurrence led to panicked overreaction. It’s like the anthrax scare that people made a big deal about for no apparent reason. This was a statistical anomaly. No reason to go changing anything because of an extreme tail event. My opinion, of course.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
by Mykenk on Sep 20, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The chance of something happening because of a broken bat is small
But the potential outcome is catastrophic, and the problem is preventable. So I’m all for using the bat glove.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Sep 20, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But isn't it just as likely
that Colvin gets hit in the face by a line drive? Why rectify one of the potential catastrophic problems and ignore the other ones? There’s hundreds of potential catastrophes with, in my opinion, the same (or greater) probability of happening than the Colvin incident. Why not be forward thinking and take care of them too?
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
"Why rectify one of the potential catastrophic problems and ignore the other ones?"
Because this particular problem is easy. You present me a line drive solution that’s this easy and I’ll be all ears.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
The glove thing, or banning maple bats?
Both simple, I suppose. So is requiring facemasks and body armor. All simple, all costly, all unnecessary.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Lets talk reasonable...
That’s what we are missing here. You can get hurt by breathing the air… by everything. We can take reasonable actions to prevent injuries that are very easily preventable. Or at least we can diminish the risk of the event happening.
Banning Maple bats is completely reasonable.
Requiring a “bat glove” or thicker handles is completely reasonable.
Just as requiring batters to wear a helmet is reasonable.. same with pants.. that’s a reasonable protection from sliding burns.
Wearing option elbow protection for the often hit batter, that’s reasonable.
Allowing a pitcher to wear a helmet like the Chelsea keeper wears is a reasonable protection from line drive hits.
No one here is suggesting that they should require those redman body armor and play the game. But simply in acting reasonable changes that don’t change the nature of the game.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 20, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Peter Cech's helmet would not have helped Joe Martinez
Why not require a helmet and face mask in the field since not doing so could be catastrophic?
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Yes other problems exist and should be dealt with in as forward thinking a way as possible
but, in the mean time, this is a simple solution that is readily available. If it saves one person from catastrophic injuries it is worth it
Are you serious?
You wouldn’t have a problem getting impaled by a bat when a $5 process could have prevented it?
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
I meant for that particular bat
obviously this is more costly league-wide. That being said, if teams are already spending money to use the bat glove for minor leagues, it can’t be that expensive.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Well, I meant a pitcher
getting hit by a batted ball. Much more dangerous than an IHBP
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
Well, there's not as simple of a solution for that.
While you could just force players to use bats not made of maple, or allow for a use of the batglove. Since there is a simple solution, why not use it
http://www.mlbsoup.com
What's the cost, though? Fewer home runs? Not all that much money..
I understand what you’re saying, but it’s impossible to put a value on a human life.
It’s also a matter of protecting yourself from a potential lawsuit if a player or a fan gets hurt, knowing that mlb could institute a product like the bat glove.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
well you obviously know what you're talking about.
But since Baseball is so much in the limelight, and these injuries run the risk of being potentially gruesome, it would be in baseball’s best interest to attempt to adopt the batglove. If not for the players’ safety, then from a PR standpoint.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Seems like requiring the batting glove
would be like requiring volcano insurance in Wisconsin. The threat is there, but it’s so minute that the level of risk doesn’t justify the cost.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
You pretty much just summed up
why “insurance” companies all make billions of dollars. Once you get the lawyers involved, its all over. Just wait until the same happens to a fan that happened to Colvin.
Also, find me an insurance company that makes billions of dollars.
Just one, please.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
You said they make
I want profit numbers, not sales. Sales is irrelevant, most of that money goes into reserves
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
he said companies
I’m sure the industry as a whole worldwide clears 10s of billions or even 100s of billions in profits.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 21, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
It has happened
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
"but it’s not going to help to overreact. The same thing happened after the Mike Coolbaugh incident. A freak occurrence led to panicked overreaction"
wait. having people standing on the field of play wear helmets is overreacting? Hell, I’d vote for the infielders having to wear something protective as well.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 21, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
14 games left on the season
In these 14 games I expect to see:
- the Brewers’ 75th win
- Braun’s 100th RBI
- Escobar’s 10th triple
- Fielder’s 100th walk
- Weeks’ 100th run scored
- YoGa’s 200th strikeout
- Wolf’s 100th earned run allowed
- Bush’s 30th dinger allowed
- Axford’s 25th save
- Loe’s 162nd game
- Macha’s last game in the Brewers dugout
by nullacct on Sep 20, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
lol at Loe's 162nd game
Sure feels like it.
Rumblings are that Fischer and Peterson are going right out the door behind him. Once the strings were cut from the puppetmaster Beane in Oakland, these guys became your everyday Joe Pinocchio.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Sep 20, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
does anyone have stats on broken bat hits?
more or less likely to be a base hit?
by big_tuna on Sep 20, 2010 10:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Not sure where to reply with this "factoid" but
There have been 653,249 pitches in MLB this year. Using the league average contact rate of 79%, that means that there have been 516,066 pitches hit, either foul or fair. There’s been 12 injuries by broken bats this year (http://www.batglove.com/Injuries/Archive.html). That’s an incidence rate of .0023%. If the solution was free, by all means, do it, but incurring any cost to prevent an incident with a .0023% of occurring isn’t justifiable. Especially when only one of these injuries can be considered “potentially catastrophic”. It’s cost/benefit.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
you also have to consider that
a player could be paid 20 million a year and one broken bat could take them out for a season or longer
by big_tuna on Sep 20, 2010 10:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Assuming every bat related injury
was to a 20M a year player, and every one happened on the first day of the year, and every injury was season ending, expected losses was $460 per injury, so $5,520 for the whole league. And that’s being nonsensically conservative with the assumptions.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
But isn’t banning a maple bat pretty much free? It’s simple…
You are no longer able to buy Maple bats. Whatever stock you have as of today can be grandfathered in and marked by MLB staff. Once those bats are gone.. we are maple free.
Cost of this is pretty small… pay an intern to serialize every bat and instruct the bat boys to mark it down when it’s broken.
Let's say each team had to buy 1000 bat gloves
thats 30,000 total bat gloves for the league, and the total cost is somewhere around $150,000. Not sure if they are reusable, but even if they aren’t, that’s less money paying a single player the league minimum.
Fences in front of the pitcher are free
they’re already purchased, and would protect the pitcher from a freak injury.
http://www.twitter.com/mykenk
My claim is not that MLB shouldn't proactively address other problems also
just that addressing this particular problem is not anywhere near expensive for a billion dollar industry. I think every major league team can cough up $5,000.
I think they would get a discount if they buy them in bulk.
Especially with all the exposure batglove would be getting…
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Does it matter?
If the cost of an alternate bat is $+15.. who gives a shit that’s peanuts. MLB spends more money on playing batting practice music then that. :)
And I think Maple bats are more expensive. They are desired because they are a denser wood. But that’s neither here nor there.
plus as demand for ash went up
so would the price again.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 21, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
If the argument that the problem is maple bats (and your numbers are right), that risk is lower yet.
I assess the risks of environmental contamination for a living. Consider Excess Lifetime Cancer Risk (ELCR). ELCR represents the incremental probability that an individual will develop cancer over a lifetime as a result of exposure to a particular carcinogen or a set of carcinogens.
Now this is a big generalization, but folks (EPA, other regulators) usually only justify spending money to clean up contamination if the ELCR risk is 1E-04 (a 1:10,000 risk). Again, that’s a big generalization, so please cut some slack on hammering me with details. Using Mykenk’s numbers and assuming not everyone is using maple bats, the risk of maple bat injury is like 1:100,000, right? Does that justify remedying the situation, I can’t answer that.
My point is that while it’s easy to try to jump on Mykenk here, he’s got a point. You have to weigh the risk of someone getting hurt vs. the cost of the remedy. That said, PR is also a big issue you have to consider…
Whoops. If we're only talking maple bats (and we assume all 12 injuries are from maple)
that risk number is higher, not lower. It probably puts you in that 1E-04 range…
Stupid math.
I agree with you general reasoning, but I think the numbers are not quite analogous
Mykenk’s numbers are risk of injury per pitch, whereas the EPA numbers you are talking in relation to risk of cancer are per person. His numbers are more analogous to the risk of developing cancer per exposure. The per person numbers (assuming 50 players get PT for every team, which is a high estimate) is 12:1500 (12 injuries this year, 1500 players saw time), or a little bit more than 1:150. I understand this doesn’t change your overall point, but I wanted to make sure we were using the right numbers.
How many players have been hit in the helmet with a pitch this year?
by BrewCrewBrian on Sep 20, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I can only remember one Brewer player getting hit in the helmet this year by a pitch (Gomez)
If that is the case (Please note it may be double or triple), there have been approximately 21608 pitches thrown to Brewer hitters this year (average number of pitches per start is 146). Since only one guy got hit, that gives us a percentage of: 0.00463%.
I am pretty sure the batting helmets cost significantly more than 3 to 6 times the bat glove.
If anyone (plunk everyone?) has data on how many players have used their batting helmet this year, I would love to hear it.
by BrewCrewBrian on Sep 20, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure where to include this
but if Baseball is willing to spend around *$200 per game on baseballs alone I don’t see how this cost is unreasonable.
*I understand this source is not the most credible because it is from wiki-answers but I cant imagine its too far off either.
Nice work Colletti.
It takes a bold man to turn McDonald into a bag of balls.
Maybe DM can flip Gomez for Kemp since they don’t like him either.
According to Daily Dish
There is an AL Scout out there that compares Kemp to Alfonso Soriano.
Says they both lack baseball instincts and the ability/desire to get better.
I couldn't find a decent place to interject
But yeah, I’ve wanted maple bats banned for a while now.
Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Sep 20, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
Sorry about the delay
But on request
Engage.
by nullacct on Sep 20, 2010 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Fielder makes a fantastic Klingon
Casey McGehee makes for a … wide Riker. I would’ve been interested to see who gets stuck in Troi’s Boob Suit and Coffey as the red head Dr. Crusher.
Go Reds! (This signature applies only through the 2010 regular season)
I didn't really want to go there
But if any Brewer belongs in a dress, it’s this guy.
Man up Manny, start pitching like you belong here.
by nullacct on Sep 20, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Captain Jon Luc!
Where’s Gomez as Wesley though? He’s the perfect fit for the overconfident brat that everyone hates.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Sep 20, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
amazing we this star trek stuff
and not a McClung in site.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Now we just need
Rickie Weeks on Reading Rainbow.
by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 20, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
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