There's been some talk in Red Sox nation (in reaction to rumors) about Fielder
by Braski on Sep 28, 2010 1:08 PM CDT
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PrintThere's been some talk in Red Sox nation (in reaction to rumors) about Fielder heading there in the off-season. A few names being tossed around as possible trades back to the Brewers are:
Daisuke Matsuzaka (with the Sox eating some salary)
Jacoby Ellsbury (still pretty cheap I believe)
Anthony Rizzo (minor league AA 1st baseman)
Anyone like this possibility? Or, would it be better just to keep Fielder for the year and get draft picks? If Matsuzaka and/or Ellsbury get back to business next year that would be great. Dice could be a nice 3rd starter and Ellsbury a legit leadoff threat (bat Weeks 2nd). Then sign a free agent like Troy Glaus (could help Gamel transition to 1st and can play some 3rd...if Gamel will play 1st) or Lyle Overbay. We would likely have to give one of our CF prospects / starters in the deal. Or maybe Gamel? I'd really like to see Prince bring in more than this, but that might be tough. In any event, just reporting on a few Sox fans' blogs.
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At this point
I would rather take the draft picks and keep Prince for the year.
Where does Jacoby Ellsbury play? Would Cain go to Nashville for another season? In 08 his OPS+ was 87. In 09 it was 98. He spent the entire 2010 year on the DL and he is a Boras client. No thanks.
Dice-K would benefit from not being in the AL East. He is due 10M each of the next two years. He has had a nice bounce back season from 09 where he posted a 1.871 WHIP (Suppan like numbers) But he is hardly dominate. Boston would have to chip in a lot of cash to make me want Dice-K. Oh – and he is a Boras client…
I know nothing of Anthony Rizzo. But unless he projects really really really well – do we need another 1B in the farm that is only a year away? If he spent 2010 in AA and project well he should be in AAA next year and banging on the door for a roster spot in 2011. If he isn’t projected that well, than he is simply a throw in.
In this package (without us giving up anyone other than Prince) I would rather keep Prince knowing that we only have a 0.0001% chance of signing him beyond 2011. And if the team tanks next year too, then he can go away at the trade deadline.
by Saberilliterate on Sep 28, 2010 1:44 PM CDT reply actions
I feel like this would have to be a 3 team deal. I can't imagine we have any interest in those guys.
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Yeah, that is a good point...
I guess the Sox fans/bloggers are thinking we would want Rizzo (who is projected to do really well – http://www.soxprospects.com/players/rizzo-anthony.htm) to replace Fielder in the near future. Getting Ellsbury would be pretty much giving up on Cain or Gomez, but the guy is good and at odds with the Red Sox management over medical issues. However, he is also a Borass client. That guy seems to pop up everywhere you don’t want him! Any ideas on 3 team deals out there?
If the Sawx are the partner
Id want Casey Kelly and Lars Anderson. Melvin wont take that though. Hed want Clay Buchholz AND Jacoby Ellsbury.
Id take Ellsbury over any in house options though in CF or RF.
Wouldnt touch Dice K though. And would only take Rizzo if it included Kelly and someone else.
I'd want Clay Buchholz AND Jacoby Ellsbury too if I were GM!!!
What about Buchholz and Rizzo? Or Kelly and Ellsbury? Then we are at least getting some experience in each of the deals. We would have to give them another player for either of these deals though. Maybe (might hear from farteater on this one) Gomez and Fielder for Kelly and Ellsbury? Lot’s of arbitration left for us on those boys (not that arbitration always works in our favor).
Buchholz isnt going anywhere
probably. If it were a Fielder/Buchholz type of deal the Brewers probably have to add pieces to make it work for the Red Sox. Same thing with Kelly and Ellsbury. Like Cameron from Fangraphs, and I, as well as others, have been saying for a while. Fielders value isnt as big as what some might think.
No
No Dice K. he’s just as much a head case as Manny. Wouldn’t even consider a deal with Boston unless Clay Bucholz is in the trade and/or an above average pitching prospect
What about Detroit, though?
what about Fielder for Scherzer and Andy Oliver?(maybe the Brewers can add some prospects to that trade)
so why not
both for fielder + a top prospect (as ilikeburritos said)
i don’t see the difference between what you’re saying and what he’s saying.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 28, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
but why give up a prospect if you are building for the future?
A trade of Fielder, if done right builds for the future, but if you go for the big winner now, and have to throw in a top prospect, you kind of lose a little bit of what you are going for there.
I was thinking along the lines of...
throwing in a hitting prospect rather than a pitching prospect. The Brewers already have enough hitting
by ilikeburritos on Sep 28, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
the company line
is our last few draft classes have been lacking in the bats (lawrie aside) and we’re more pitching strong at the lower levels now
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 29, 2010 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions
There is a severe lack of hitting in our farm system right now.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Sep 30, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Because all of our hitters are at the major league level.
with 5 years of Braun, Cain, Escobar, Gamel, Lucroy, and 3 years of Hart, we don’t necessarily need hitters in the minors immediately. We have time, so we can afford to attack the lack of minor league hitting with the draft. But the minor league pitching is still a few years away, so it’s a much more immediate need.
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by tcyoung on Sep 30, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
the Brewers still have young hitters who’ll be able to hit and play the field for the next 5-10 years. hitting talent isn’t an immediate issue. pitching is, though
by ilikeburritos on Sep 30, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
and of course they're not gonna last long if they're not good, though
but given that they play well
by ilikeburritos on Oct 1, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't seem unreasonable for just Fielder...
That doesn’t seem unreasonable for just Fielder. The Tigers have been mentioned before as having interest in him and Andy Oliver is unproven at 0-4 with a 7.36 right now. He is kind of a ‘throw in’.
Scherzer is already good and can pump the fastball into the upper 90s and can throw a great breaking ball, Oliver has the potential to be good IMO
by ilikeburritos on Sep 28, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
after all, Oliver's stats were only based on a small sample size
by ilikeburritos on Sep 28, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but small sample size = throw in....
I think both of those guys would be great additions to the Brewers. I just don’t think we need to toss in a good/great prospect + Fielder to get Scherzer and Oliver. I am totally with you on this train of thought.
If this is the market for Prince, then F--- it
Hold on to him, get the two draft picks, enjoy your full season of trying to negotiate.
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Any thoughts on TC's three team deal???
I know the Jays, Tigers and both Sox have shown interest in Fielder.
If there would be a trade with the Jays, then Drabek should be involved
If there would be a trade with the Tigers, at least either Oliver or Scherzer should be involved
If there would be a trade with the Sox, if Bucholz isn’t gonna be involved, it isn’t worth trading with them
by ilikeburritos on Sep 28, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
How much does Fielder's value go up if we're willing to eat a good portion of his salary.
If we’re looking for young pitchers, we could afford to eat his salary, and perhaps teams like the Rays would be much more open to renting him and giving up a player of value if they don’t have to fork up a lot of cash.
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Flagged for saying "Red Sox Nation"
Did all of the Red Sox fans move somewhere and secede from the union? If not, they aren’t a f&%^ing nation.
yeah, they moved to some place called, "Bristol"
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by tcyoung on Sep 29, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
and there was, and it was good
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
I hope we don't get players like Rizzo.
I want nothing to do with low priority position players lacking in plate discipline. Dice-K? We don’t need another pitcher who chooses not to throw strikes. Elsbury would be incredibly fun to watch in a Brewer uniform, but not fun enough to trade for two high picks
New around here...
As an A’s fan who’s team is in desperate need of power and has a ton of money coming off the books for next season… exactly what are the Brewers looking for if/when they shop Fielder?
I go back and forth on how much I trust defensive metrics like UZR (I actually prefer Plus/Minus) but Fielder’s career numbers are bad enough for me to think he’s DH bound if he ends up on an AL team.
So in the hopes of taking an informed opinion back to AN, what kind of package are the Brewers looking for in exchange for 1 year of a DH-to-be?
The monster at the end of this blog.
a young pitcher with high upside
at least an above average prospect. No mid-rotation starters please
by ilikeburritos on Sep 30, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You're looking at either
A top pitching prospect, or a good starter who is already in his arb years. In addtion to one of those two players, a half way decent prospect will probably be asked for.
The only way a guy like Brett Anderson would be involved is if the Brewers threw in money along with Fielder.
I dont think the A’s have what it takes to land Fielder and make it worth while for them. They dont have the top pitching prospect, or arb guy to make it worth the Brewers’ while, and the pitching they do have to offer would be too much to give up for Fielder and would require the Brewrs to give up something in addition.
I'm not sure there's a top SP prospect out there to be had
At least not one who’s ETA is in 2011. (Then again, I don’t pretend to know the intentions of every other team in MLB.)
Assuming that’s true, do you think the Brewers would still prefer the long term play or do you think they’d change their mind and go for a bulk deal similar to the one that sent Jake Peavy to the White Sox? Richard profiled at best as a #3-4 SP and Poreda was a 50-50 chance at heading to the bullpen. But all 4 arms had some upside, even if none projected with much certainty as a top o’ the rotation SP.
So if the Brewers can’t land that #1 SP prospect do they keep Fielder or do they go for bulk?
Two more questions.
Would the “halfway decent prospect” be another arm or a position player… and if so which position?
Do the Brewers have any interest in shopping Corey Hart and if so, at what price?
Thanks for the reply.
The monster at the end of this blog.
we forgive you for not knowing the intentions of every team in the MLB
as well as the intention of everyone in our “fan base”.
However, if you were, you would know that backtocali would prefer high upside top prospects in single-A or thereabouts and has no intention of getting “lower value” higher level prospects. In other words, he has no concern for 2011.
However, our actual GM IS looking for “major league ready” players and refuses to trade for anyone (as the primary piece) that wouldn’t be ready to be part of our opening day roster. So, either already a major leaguer or at the very least someone just position-blocked in another org at AAA or AA.
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 1, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Do the Brewers have any interest in shopping Corey Hart?
no
Do the Brewers fans on this blog have any interest in shopping Corey Hart?
yes!
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 1, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't say that too loud
You might get lit on fire.
Even though trading Hart NOW will be the best idea.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 1, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
don't worry
no one gives a shit about corey hart in pennsylvania
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 1, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Hart/Fielder
I doubt that Doug Melvin goes for the bulk or long term play with the Fielder deal. DM has shown in the last few months that he wants top quality in return for Fielder, completely blind to the fact that Fielders value is diminshed by how much money he is going to be owed, and the time that an acquiring team might have to hold onto him.
Guys like Chad Billingsley, John Danks, or Jonathan Sanchez + a prospect is probbly what DM will be looking for, and in lieu of a vet, he’ll be looking for a guy along the lines of Madison Bumgarner, Jeremy Hellickson or Tommy Hanson perhaps (obviously he is out of his mind).
The contract extension given to Corey Hart this past year, imo, actually increased his value by a little bit. But if I were an A’s fan, I wouldnt touch him playing half the season at cavernous Alameda County Colesium. Michael Taylor will be worth the wait. But if you wanted to pick him up, the Brewers are going to need arms. DM reportedly turned down a Hart for Daniel Hudson trade earlier this season (again, note the madness) and also reportedly was asking for Madison Bumgarner in return for him. A guy like Gio Gonzalez straight up probably works for Hart.
Holy sheesh...!
If Melvin won’t accept anything less than Gio for Hart than I guess Fielder won’t be coming to Oakland.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Interesting read at BtB
Out of curiosity, and with no intent to start a flame war, could you (with you obvious pro-Brewer leanings) create a package suitable to your side that features Vin Mazzaro as the headliner?
If not, no big deal.
The monster at the end of this blog.
With you [sic] obvious pro-brewer leanings
Heh heh heh.
by Noah Jarosh on Oct 1, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hey now
I am pro Brewer as far as information/knowledge, maybe not fan-ness.
I’ll take it where i can get it.
If there is a trade to San Fran
do you think Zach Wheeler will be a part of the package?
by ilikeburritos on Oct 1, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
holy crap.
Ban nullact!!! Even if most of his posts are 99.5% awesomeness, this goes toooooo far! To make up for it, I request a Macha in a Cardinals get up.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 7, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
LOLOLOLOL
Made up for it 10-fold! Awesome :)
by Bush League All Star on Oct 7, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
that would actually amuse me to no end
seeing them try to platoon pujols and fielder, shelling out zillions of dollars in the process.
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 1, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
That lineup is too scary of a thought -
- Pujols
- Fielder
- Holliday
with Pujols shifting to 3B – he is athletic enough to pull that off
Of course they would have nearly $80M+/year in four players – Holliday, Carpenter, Pujols, Fielder
by Saberilliterate on Oct 1, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn Auto Formatting
It should have come out as 3, 4, & 5 for batting order
by Saberilliterate on Oct 1, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Quick!!
Someone check nullacct for suspicious new facial hair, a sure sign of an evil twin.
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I would rather him play for the damn yanks
than the cubs…
by Jeo on Oct 1, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the most likely one yet
He has hit very well at Wrigley
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
Hey!
It’s Mo Vaughn everybody!
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If we get a good enough return
I think it would be in the Brewers best interest to pick up most if not all of Fielder’s contract.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I agree
I would love to see DM pick up a good chuck (8-9 million) of the salary, instantly raising Fielder’s value. I don’t know if we can afford to pick up 15 million, though.
Agree. Unless we're signing Cliff Lee, we can afford to pick up half if it means a very good major league ready prospect.
I think of it as being akin to giving a top draft pick a huge signing bonus. Except that draft pick is ready for the majors, so there isn’t nearly as much doubt. It’s investing for the future.
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People have brought up the Rays as
trading partners but it gets shot down because the Rays look to be cutting salary next year which is a good point. Picking up a good portion of Fielder’s contract lets more teams into the trading picture.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I'm kind of hoping that the Padres sweep the Giants and knock them out of the playoffs, so that the Giants are desperate to add one more big piece.
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by tcyoung on Oct 2, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
As a matter of fact, for the Giants to be knocked out, not only does it require a 3rd straight win by the Padres, but then, it's possible they could have a playoff with the Padres.
If they lose a 4th game in 4 days to the Padres, they could still have to play the Braves in a SECOND playoff….
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I should clarify
that I don’t actually think the Brewers will pick up any of Fielder’s salary. I just think it would be a good idea. Depending on what the return is of course.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I think they'll be willing to pick up about 3-4 mil to get a better return. I just feel like they should be willing to pick up more
if it gets a better return.
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I agree.
I think they should pick up the whole contract if the return is good enough. The more pre-arby(cheap) years the more they should pick up. I have a feeling that all they will get is a guy signed for 2 years or with 2 arby years remaining or possibly a high upside A guy. Maybe a minor league bat. I am not hopeful that we will get a good return.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I was hoping the Giants would have to play in SF, in SD, in ATL, and in PHI in a four-day span
Oh well.
Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.
I wanted to see them lose 5 straight to fall out of the playoffs, when all they needed to do was win once..
Especially since 4 of those 5 would be against the same team.
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Me too
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FAs
If they sign Glaus, it’s because he’d be the full-time first baseman… the Brewers already have a starting 3B. And Overbay? No thanks.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yes, full time 1B if we lose Fielder. And it might help Gamel with the move as well. We got...
lucky with a classy closer helping a young kid, maybe lightning could strike twice. With the roof closed for safety of course!
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