A Look at Potential SS Platoons in 2011
The biggest question mark entering the 2011 season is probably the shortstop situation following the departure of Alcides Escobar. There has been some pretty apocalyptic commentary on Yuniesky Betancourt, but I think there's some compelling reasons to think things might not be that bad. I decided to use available 2011 projections for the three SS options on the team - Yuniesky Betancourt, Craig Counsell and Luis Cruz - to estimate the WAR production from various platoons.
I like the ZiPS forecasting system, but for these first estimates I'm using the CAIRO system instead for two reasons: 1) CAIRO gives platoon split projections, which ZiPS doesn't, and 2) CAIRO seems to give the most pessimistic outlook regarding the offense of Betancourt/Counsell/Cruz, so there's room for a lot of upside in these platoon projections. First, here's the wOBA splits projected by CAIRO (along with the players' ZiPS/career numbers and career UZR/150):
| Bats | Player | Age | CAIRO | CAIRO | CAIRO | ZiPS | Career | Career | Career | Career |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| wOBA | wOBA (RHP) | wOBA (LHP) | wOBA | wOBA | wOBA (RHP) | wOBA (LHP) | UZR/150 | |||
| RHB | Yuniesky Betancourt | 29 | 0.292 | 0.287 | 0.309 | 0.301 | 0.297 | 0.291 | 0.324 | -8.3 |
| LHB | Craig Counsell | 40 | 0.302 | 0.307 | 0.284 | 0.307 | 0.311 | 0.311 | 0.288 | +7.0 |
| RHB | Luis Cruz | 27 | 0.286 | 0.281 | 0.296 | 0.291 | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
CAIRO projects below-career performance for both Betancourt and Counsell, and for whatever reason it's particularly low on Betancourt. I think that's fair for Counsell given his age, but Betancourt put up a .300 wOBA last season with an extremely low BABIP, so the .292 wOBA might be a little unfair. For these estimates I'm using Betancourt's career -8.3 UZR/150 (I think that's fair), for Counsell I'm droping his career +7.0 to +5.0 (dropping it any further seems unfair, but I know some people disagree), and for Cruz I'm estimating it at +7.0 based on his very good minor league TotalZone numbers and reputation as a defender.
Now, some caveats about the method I used: 1) I assumed 4 PA/GS, since the average for the #7 spot in the Brewers batting order was a little over 4.1 last season, but the #7 hitting starter is sometimes pinch-hit for, 2) wRAA, the batting component of fWAR, uses the league average wOBA, which I estimate at .325 (it was .321 last season), 3) these estimates don't include the park adjustments or other minor things used at Fangraphs and in fWAR, 4) I assumed 1 game started (GS) equals 1 defensive game (DG), which isn't the case in reality.
First, here are the CAIRO-based projections for the three SS options assuming they could each start all 162 games:
| Bats | Player | Age | GS | PA | wOBA | UZR/150 | wRAA | UZR | Pos. | Rep. | RAR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RHB | Yuniesky Betancourt | 29 | 162 | 648 | 0.292 | -8.3 | -18.6 | -9.0 | 7.5 | 21.6 | 1.5 | 0.2 |
| LHB | Craig Counsell | 40 | 162 | 648 | 0.302 | +5.0 | -13.0 | 5.4 | 7.5 | 21.6 | 21.5 | 2.2 |
| RHB | Luis Cruz | 27 | 162 | 648 | 0.286 | +7.0 | -22.0 | 7.6 | 7.5 | 21.6 | 14.7 | 1.5 |
For reference, here are the same projections using the ZiPS offensive forecasts:
| Bats | Player | Age | GS | PA | wOBA | UZR/150 | wRAA | UZR | Rep. | Pos. | RAR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RHB | Yuniesky Betancourt | 29 | 162 | 648 | .301 | -8.3 | -13.5 | -9.0 | 21.6 | 7.5 | 6.6 | 0.7 |
| LHB | Craig Counsell | 40 | 162 | 648 | .307 | +5.0 | -10.1 | 5.4 | 21.6 | 7.5 | 24.4 | 2.4 |
| RHB | Luis Cruz | 27 | 162 | 648 | .291 | +7.0 | -18.9 | 7.6 | 21.6 | 7.5 | 17.7 | 1.8 |
Betancourt appears to be the worst option, with Cruz looking fairly decent and Counsell projecting to be an above average regular (given the 2.0 WAR benchmark for an average player). However, the team is paying for Betancourt and will probably give him quite a few starts. The first platoon scenario that I think is realistic is a Counselcourt Platoon.
Roughly one third of starters in the major leagues are lefties, so I'm assuming around 54 GS vs. LHP in all of these projections. An additional caveat: one third of starters may be LHP, but that doesn't mean every pitcher the batter will face in those games is a LHP, which obviously skews these totals (which assume a GS vs. LHP = 4 PA vs LHP), but overall the impact shouldn't be that large, especially since it can be mitigated by pinch-hitters. If we further make the pessimistic assumption that C.C. can only start 54 games at SS next year given his age, here is what production we might get with Betancourt starting all 54 games against lefties, giving 54 games against RHP for Counsell, and the remaining 54 against RHP to Betancourt:
| Bats | Player | Age | GS | PA | wOBA | UZR/150 | wRAA | UZR | Pos. | Rep. | RAR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RHB | Y. Betancourt (LHP) | 29 | 54 | 216 | 0.309 | -8.3 | -3.0 | -3.0 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 3.7 | 0.4 |
| LHB | C. Counsell (RHP) | 40 | 54 | 216 | 0.307 | +5.0 | -3.4 | 1.8 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 8.1 | 0.8 |
| RHB | Y. Betancourt (RHP) | 29 | 54 | 216 | 0.287 | -8.3 | -7.1 | -3.0 | 2.5 | 7.2 | -0.4 | 0.0 |
| Tot: | 11.4 | 1.1 |
Counsell and Betancourt have quite complementary platoon splits, so here's the much more optimistic scenario where Counsell can start all 108 games against RHP, and Betancourt can take the remaining 54 against LHP:
| Bats | Player | Age | GS | PA | wOBA | UZR/150 | wRAA | UZR | Pos. | Rep. | RAR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RHB | Y. Betancourt (LHP) | 29 | 54 | 216 | 0.309 | -8.3 | -3.0 | -3.0 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 3.7 | 0.4 |
| LHB | C. Counsell (RHP) | 40 | 108 | 432 | 0.307 | +5.0 | -6.8 | 3.6 | 5.0 | 14.4 | 16.2 | 1.6 |
| Tot: | 19.9 | 2.0 |
It seems unlikely that Counsell could start that many games, though I don't think it's impossible, but what about giving half of those 108 GS vs. RHP to Cruz, forming a three-headed Cruzselcourt Platoon?
| Bats | Player | Age | GS | PA | wOBA | UZR/150 | wRAA | UZR | Pos. | Rep. | RAR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RHB | Y. Betancourt (LHP) | 29 | 54 | 216 | 0.309 | -8.3 | -3.0 | -3.0 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 3.7 | 0.4 |
| LHB | C. Counsell (RHP) | 40 | 54 | 216 | 0.307 | +5.0 | -3.4 | 1.8 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 8.1 | 0.8 |
| RHB | L. Cruz (RHP) | 27 | 54 | 216 | 0.281 | +7.0 | -8.3 | 2.5 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 4.0 | 0.4 |
| Tot: | 15.8 | 1.6 |
Those numbers aren't that bad, but a three-way platoon seems rather unlikely and Cruz is projected by CAIRO to favor LHP anyways. What about the even more unrealistic scenario where Betancourt is DFA'd and the team goes with a Cruzsell Platoon? Again assuming Counsell can only start 54 games against RHP, giving Cruz all 54 against LHP and another 54 against RHP:
| Bats | Player | Age | GS | PA | wOBA | UZR/150 | wRAA | UZR | Pos. | Rep. | RAR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RHB | Luis Cruz (LHP) | 27 | 54 | 216 | 0.296 | +7.0 | -5.4 | 2.5 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 6.8 | 0.7 |
| LHB | C. Counsell (RHP) | 40 | 54 | 216 | 0.307 | +5.0 | -3.4 | 1.8 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 8.1 | 0.8 |
| RHB | Luis Cruz (RHP) | 27 | 54 | 216 | 0.281 | +7.0 | -8.3 | 2.5 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 4.0 | 0.4 |
| Tot: | 18.9 | 1.9 |
However, if we shift into fantasy mode (my fantasies now include Luis Cruz starting at SS? Weird offseason...) and give Cruz 54 games against LHP and Counsell all 108 against RHP, we get a very solid defensive platoon with above-average production:
| Bats | Player | Age | GS | PA | wOBA | UZR/150 | wRAA | UZR | Pos. | Rep. | RAR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RHB | Luis Cruz (LHP) | 29 | 54 | 216 | 0.296 | +7.0 | -5.4 | 2.5 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 6.8 | 0.7 |
| LHB | C. Counsell (RHP) | 40 | 108 | 432 | 0.307 | +5.0 | -6.8 | 3.6 | 5.0 | 14.4 | 16.2 | 1.6 |
| Tot: | 23.0 | 2.3 |
The best case scenario based on CAIRO's rather pessimistic offensive projections is Counsell starting all of the games against RHP and Luis Cruz starting all of the games against LHP, giving a very solid total production of 2.3 WAR.
The most realistic platoon, with Counsell starting 54 games against RHP and Yuniesky Betancourt the remainder of the games (including all of the games against LHP) projects to be worth around 1.1 WAR. That's not great, but it's nowhere near terrible either. Alcides Escobar was only worth 0.6 WAR last season, and the total Brewers production out of SS was <1.0 WAR.
Even with Betancourt seeing significant time and even with CAIRO's rather harsh projection, if Counsell could somehow start 108 games against RHP we could possibly get 2.0 WAR out of SS, which is average major league production.
However, I think ZiPS is generally a more accurate forecasting system than CAIRO, and ZiPS likes Betancourt's offense much better. Given Betancourt's apparent (relative) talent for hitting LHP, I think CAIRO might be understating what he is capable of if used properly in a platoon. What if we do the same exercise for a Counselcourt Platoon using ZiPS projections?
As I said in the opening, as far as I know ZiPS doesn't project platoon splits like CAIRO does; however, we can come up with a very rough estimate of LHP/RHP splits based on the overall wOBA estimate given by ZiPS. Betancourt has had a .324 wOBA vs. LHP and a .291 wOBA vs. RHP in his career, and if anything this ratio was even more pronounced the last two years (2010: .340 wOBA vs. LHP and .290 wOBA vs. RHP; 2009: .336 wOBA vs. LHP and .250 wOBA vs. RHP). Using Betancourt's career rhwOBA/lhwOBA ratio and some basic algebra (wOBA = [rhwOBA + rhwOBA + lhwOBA]/3) gives manual 2011 ZiPS splits of a .323 wOBA vs. LHP and a .290 wOBA vs. RHP
The same process for Counsell (whose career splits have also been maintained the last couple years, with a wOBA vs. RHP as high as .341 in 2009) gives a manual 2011 ZiPS split projection of a .288 wOBA vs. LHP and a .315 wOBA vs. RHP.
Using these new numbers and the same defensive estimates (+5.0 UZR/150 for C.C., -8.3 UZR/150 for Yuniesky) a platoon giving 54 games vs. RHP to Counsell and the remaining 108 games to Betancourt would result in the following:
| Bats | Player | Age | GS | PA | wOBA | UZR/150 | wRAA | UZR | Pos. | Rep. | RAR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RHB | Y. Betancourt (LHP) | 29 | 54 | 216 | 0.323 | -8.3 | -0.4 | -3.0 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 6.3 | 0.6 |
| LHB | C. Counsell (RHP) | 40 | 54 | 216 | 0.315 | +5.0 | -6.6 | 1.8 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 9.6 | 1.0 |
| RHB | Y. Betancourt (RHP) | 29 | 54 | 216 | 0.290 | -8.3 | -6.6 | -3.0 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 0.1 | 0.0 |
| Tot: | 16.0 | 1.6 |
Dipping into the fountain of youth and projecting Counsell to start all 108 games vs. RHP gives an even better outlook:
| Bats | Player | Age | GS | PA | wOBA | UZR/150 | wRAA | UZR | Pos. | Rep. | RAR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RHB | Y. Betancourt (LHP) | 29 | 54 | 216 | 0.323 | -8.3 | -0.4 | -3.0 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 6.3 | 0.6 |
| LHB | C. Counsell (RHP) | 40 | 108 | 432 | 0.315 | +5.0 | -3.8 | 3.6 | 5.0 | 14.4 | 19.2 | 1.9 |
| Tot: | 25.5 | 2.6 |
2.6 WAR is well above average production and pretty good for SS. 2.6 WAR in 2010 would have ranked right between Derek Jeter (2.5 fWAR) and Jose Reyes (2.8 fWAR). Obviously, I'm being optimistic in thinking that Counsell could start 108 games at SS, but none of the other numbers I'm using seem optimistic or unrealistic at all. As long as the team plays to its strengths by starting Betancourt primarily in games vs. LHP, giving Counsell as many games as he can handle versus RHP, the position promises somewhere around average to above-average production. Counsell started 65 games last season, and 120 games in 2009, so it still seems like a very real possibility that he could start the better part of all 108 games against RHP (assuming we have another utility infielder to spot start at 1B/2B/3B).
Betancourt doesn't seem to be a very good player, but if the team uses him wisely and if Counsell can start a large number of the games against RHP, I think we can realistically expect above-average production and even a gain of up to two full wins above replacement over 2010 Alcides Escobar.
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Doing the same crude WAR projections for some of the available free agents (using ZiPS wOBA and career UZR/150) over 162 games gives the following:
Orlando Cabrera, 20.0 RAR, 2.0 WAR
Jerry Hairston Jr., 19.6 RAR, 2.0 WAR
Edgar Renteria, 18.7 RAR, 1.9 WAR
Cristian Guzman, 17.9 RAR, 1.8 WAR
Cesar Izturis, 7.7 RAR, 0.8 WAR
Using the ZiPS splits used in the last Betancourt/Counsell platoon listed above, Counsell would need to start at least 74 games at SS vs. RHP (giving Betancourt 54 vs. LHP and 34 vs. RHP) to match the 2.0 WAR figure. 77+ GS from Counsell would make the Counselcourt platoon better than any free agent available, based on these projections.
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My mistake, that should be 19.4 RAR/1.9 WAR for Hairston.
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Is Punto still out there?
Also, SRB: Just wanted to say, keep up the good work — this is excellent stuff. Keep doing FanPosts like this on the reg!
by MooseHaas on Jan 12, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks! Good call about Punto, I somehow forgot about him (despite being on the Punto Bandwagon earlier in the season)
The same method using Punto’s ZiPS wOBA and career UZR/150 at SS gives 29.7 RAR and 3.0 WAR over a full 162 games. However, that’s using his incredibly high career +18.3 UZR/150 at SS (which is over only 2033 innings). Regressing that halfway to the mean (to +9.2 UZR/150) gives him 19.9 RAR and 2.0 WAR.
But he’s never started more than 56 games at SS in any single season in his career, so maybe he would perform differently (worse) if expected to start the majority of his games there. TotalZone and DRS have been much less impressed with his SS defense, so he may be closer to average there.
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Fantastic stuff
I was going to do something similar, but not even this in depth. It seems like the most likely scenario gets us .5 to 1 WAR or so, and if everything is managed perfectly they could manage to squeeze 2 WAR out of the situation, assuming Counsell holds up. There’s also the question, does Counsell play better with more consistent timing, or does he lose production having to play more frequently?
Any way we look at it, it does seem that there isn’t a best option using Betancourt. At all. It’s a sunk cost, and his salary should have no impact on the future decision. I think that they go with Betancourt/some Counsell vs. RHP and look for an upgrade at the deadline. If we’re looking for the best possible option, though, I’d try to sign Cabrera for like $1 mil or $1.5 or so, and stick with Counsell as the straight backup at the three infield spots. If we could guarantee Cruz’s production, I’d be fine with sticking with Cruz/Counsell but I don’t have enough faith in the defensive projection to do that (I would agree it’s the best conclusion though). So that’d be the best plan of action, in my opinion. Every win counts so much right now, and they’d have to pay a decent amount to upgrade at the deadline and would also have less impact because it would be half the year. I might throw a win curve post up there tomorrow. Actually it’s a near guarantee, I have 4 down hours with a laptop I think.
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What options are there at the trade deadline?
The shortstop market in trade is pretty bare right now. Based on Cot’s SS, there are only two rentals that might be available. Jack Wilson with the Mariners (not much better than what we have) and Marcos Scutaro since it looks like Jed Lowrie could take over full time for the Red Sox. I suppose if the Twins get a good back up and look to be out of the postseason race (somehow), Hardy might be available, too.
Depending upon how the current free agents drop, if the Brewers truly want a better option at SS they’re probably not going to find anything in the trade market.
The Twins already traded Hardy away
He’s an Oriole now
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Riiiiight, I knew that. * shifty eyes * Thanks.
So Wilson, Scutaro and however the free agents sort themselves out.
so...available come the trade deadline
by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 12, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Think the Orioles need a CF?
I’ve heard the Brewers have this really fast guy in center that thinks he can hit .260 this season. Surely, he must have about the same value as Hardy.
The Orioles only traded a couple of mediocre relievers for Hardy
Strangely enough, I think we can safely say Doug Melvin managed to get the better return for J.J.
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by Lefti on Jan 12, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Betancourt does have some value, he just needs to be used properly.
It’s weird, he’s basically two different players: his career .324 wOBA and -8.3 UZR/150 make him very close to a league average player vs LHP (near 2.0 WAR/600 PA), while his career .291 wOBA and -8.3 UZR/150 make him very close to a replacement level player vs RHP (near 0.0 WAR/600 PA).
The big question is how Counsell will hold up and how he will perform. He was excellent in a larger role in 2009 (120 GS) so maybe playing often helps him.
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I observed the same thing, and it would be very nice if that were the case with Counsell
Who knows what 2 extra years will do to that, though. I’d still like to see them gun for Cabrera.
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I think predicting counsell to be able to start 50+ games at short
is extremely optimistic. Right now he’s still the backup 2B & 3B also, isn’t he? I think we’re more likely (though still not very) to see Cruz & Esky at SS, with CC backing up 2B/SS/3B.
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I'd say that 50 games started (combined, all positions)
is likely to be a pretty firm max for CC, unless he can rebound offensively from 2010.
Which then again, begs the question as to whether or not he’s better with more regular playing time, but at 56 years old, my guess is probably not.
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by Mykenk on Jan 12, 2011 8:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's dealing with a small sample size
Counsell’s only been around 40 years. Given that small a sample, the true measure of his age could be 56. We just don’t have enough data yet to definitely declare his true age.
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by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 12, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
50 GS seems slightly pessimistic.
He started 90 games in 2009, and the only reason he didn’t start more games last year was because he was strictly a utility player (i.e. we didn’t need him to start many games). He hasn’t really shown too many signs of decline, either; his OPS+ last season was 76 compared to his career OPS+ of 80. He had the best offensive year of his career in 2009 as a 38-year-old.
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I think it might depend on who fills that last roster spot
If Cruz ends up on the 25-man roster, then I could see Counsell’s playing time reduced even further than last season when he was the only backup SS.
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Did he start more in 2009 because he was good?
He SHOULD have started more in 2010 when they realized that Escobar needed time off yet decided against giving him any.
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I think he started more in 2009 just because there were bigger holes.
McGehee and Weeks were healthy last season, and the team had gambled on giving Escobar the shortstop job for the foreseeable future so they weren’t going to start benching him too much.
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Probably a little of both, come to think of it.
If Counsell had put up the 2010 line in 2009, I doubt he gets as many starts.
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Wait.
We traded Esky for Esky? Cue the twilight zone theme.
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well.....there's a chain of shortstops that applies
Alcides Escobar (Esky) → Yunel Escobar (Yuni/Esky) → Yuniesky Betencourt (Yuni)
Incidentally, that’s about my preference order as well
by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 12, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
was a bit of a toss-up there, but I think Alcides will eventually be better
by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 12, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
This makes me wish they would have signed Renteria...
I kid.
This would have been awesome for our discussion on Friday about ER/CC. Nice work. If Cruz can do ANYTHING offensively like he did this winter, I think he is realistic option to make the team. I think CC needs to play less to be more effective, perhaps a defensive replacement/ double switch candidate nightly. He might play in 2/3 of the games under this scenario if healthy.
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by Brew Town Boozer on Jan 12, 2011 8:42 AM CST reply actions
If Cruz could do anything like he did this winter he wouldn't still be toiling in the minors.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Having 3 Shortstops on the roster is a bit odd though. It could come down to Gamel or Cruz as another bench player.
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Well see, there's the problem.
If we have Counsel, Cruz and Betancourt all on the roster we still won’t have a SS.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
by cooper82 on Jan 15, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very informative.
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