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Some things to read while uninstalling a turn signal.

In just a few hours, it'll become official: Trevor Hoffman has decided to retire and join the Padres front office in a position to be named. (FanShot). Hoffman, of course, is the all time saves leader (with 601), and finished his Brewer career with 47 saves in 105 appearances, posting a 3.73 ERA and 1.155 WHIP. He was also a Type B free agent, but the Brewers won't receive compensation now that he's decided not to sign with another team.

Here are some notes on Hoffman's announcement:

I guess it's only fitting that we go from discussing an aging pitcher to a conversation about DL time. Jeff Zimmerman of FanGraphs calculated how much money each team spent on DL'ed players last season, and the Brewers spent $11.4 million, or 11.7% of their total payroll.

I'm not sure if we're going to have to update the countdown or not: MLB announced yesterday that the Brewers' first official workout of the spring will be held on February 17. Adam McCalvy said he had heard the 16th as the first day, but that's probably the day when players show up for physicals. The JS has the full list of team report dates - once again, the Brewers are one of the last teams to open camp.

When he gets to Maryvale, Zach Braddock is going to have a different jersey in his locker: TheJay noticed that Braddock is now wearing #21, which Alcides Escobar had worn last season.

Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker continues to break down notable AB's from the 2010 season: Today he's looking at a September matchup between Mark Rogers and Logan Morrison.

In the minors:

  • Mark Rogers, Wily Peralta, Eric Farris and Logan Schafer are spending the week at the MLB Rookie Development program, learning about life in the big leagues.
  • Tom Haudricourt chatted with fans behind the pay wall at Baseball America this week, and Rattler Radio has some quotes about current and future Timber Rattlers.
  • Voting is open for the #8 spot in our BCB Community Prospect Rankings. Last time I checked, Amaury Rivas had opened up an early lead.

If you missed last night's episode of The Onion SportsDome, you missed this note on the Brewers being repossessed.

Around baseball:

Angels: Signed infielder Alberto Callaspo to a one year, $2 million deal, avoiding arbitration.
Mets: Signed pitcher Taylor Tankersley to a minor league deal.
Rockies: Signed pitcher Claudio Vargas to a minor league deal.

Today in former Brewer notes: Dave Bush is reportedly drawing some interest from the Mets.

On this day in 2000 the Brewers pulled off one of the more dubious trades in franchise history, dealing Cal Eldred and Jose Valentin to the White Sox for pitchers Jaime Navarro and John Snyder. Consider the outcomes of these four players:

  • Navarro, making his return to Milwaukee, made just five starts before the Brewers released him in April.
  • Snyder posted a 6.17 ERA in 23 starts. It was his final major league season.
  • Eldred, who had been a Brewer since 1991, posted a 4.58 ERA in 20 starts for the White Sox in 2000. Following a couple of injury-riddled seasons, he bounced back to have a few nice years out of the bullpen for St. Louis.
  • Valentin had been a Brewer since 1992. He hit .273/.343/.491 in his first year with the White Sox and went on to play eight more seasons in the big leagues.

With help from the B-Ref Play Index, happy birthday today to:

  • Neenah, WI native Rich Loiselle, who turns 39. Loiselle pitched six seasons as a member of the Pirates between 1996 and 2001.
  • 1981-85 Brewer Chuck Porter, who turns 56.
  • Milwaukee native Joe Hauser, who would have turned 112. Hauser spent six seasons with the Philadelphia A's and Indians between 1922 and 1929.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some sabotaging to do.

Drink up.

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I thought I drank those memories away in college

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by Hyatt on Jan 12, 2011 10:45 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Was it for 'Salary Relief'

What was the justification for the trade?

by Saberilliterate on Jan 12, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Not really

2010 salaries:

Navarro: $5 million
Snyder: $258,000

Eldred: $5.4 million
Valentin: $1.3 million

So if it was a salary dump, it was only to save ~$1.5 million.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jan 12, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

If you don't want that $1.5 million, I'll take it.

I get the point, though. Saving 2% payroll for a 174,534% reduction in talent seems like a bad trade off.

by ecocd on Jan 12, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

was it only 2% of the payroll?

I thought those pre-Attanasio teams got paid in beer and cheese.

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by Jeo on Jan 12, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

No, it was more like 4%

Opening Day payroll in 2000 was $35,782,833.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 12, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

blech.

Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.

by theBrouhaha on Jan 12, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

8th lowest in MLB

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 12, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

The more that i think about it, if it was a salary dump, we could have taken some Low A roster filler in exchange

by Saberilliterate on Jan 12, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Right

If they were just trying to dump salary, why take Navarro?

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jan 12, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Even Worse Trade

Monday was the 20th anniversary of the trade that saw the Baltimore Orioles send Curt Schilling, Steve Finley and Pete Harnisch to the Houston Astros for the immortal Glenn Davis. 126.8 WAR out, 0.1 WAR in.

by Saberilliterate on Jan 12, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that has the worst trade ever?

I can’t believe there’s much worse out there.

by ecocd on Jan 12, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Does anyone know of a site that uses WAR to compare trades. I too would love to find out where this ranks on the scale of one sidedness.

by Saberilliterate on Jan 12, 2011 4:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees

157.2 WAR for 0.0 WAR and a few million (adjusted) in cash.

PS – Looking up Ruth’s career WAR, I just noticed that he ended his career with the Braves franchise. Am I the only one who didn’t know this?

Ryan Braun: He loves it. -- Four pitchers in history with 8.5+ WAR and <250 IP seasons: Greg Maddux (age 29), Pedro Martinez (age 28), Roger Clemens (age 27), Zack Greinke (age 25).

by SRB on Jan 12, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

He was player-manager of the Boston Braves

He could barely move at that point and was strictly a move designed to sell tickets

"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd

by stempke on Jan 12, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

one problem for the WAR to WAR comparisons

are ripple trades – one guy from one trade being traded a few years later for another piece. Or even possibly the WAR increase from having a draft pick one or two earlier because your up-front guy sucked. Then again, delayed gratification should be devalued anyway…

by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 12, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

last link

do dieters still think that going sugar-free is going to be sufficient? i thought people are aware of calorie counts and whatnot…

by Capt Science on Jan 12, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

however, I've been on a particular kick the last couple of years

give me standard sugars and fats that my body knows what to do with. no artificial sweeteners – those tend to fool the body into expecting sugars to digest, but then it can’t find any, so your brain starts to crave sugar. etc

by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 12, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

We have to go out for beers sometime

I think you’re the most interesting internet person I’ve ever come across.

If you are a robot, please disregard.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 12, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah we switched from margarine to butter because of that

That is one food trend I fully support.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jan 12, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Butter & Bacon

Make everything taste better.

by Saberilliterate on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Mmmmm....

bacon.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 12, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

so what do you do...

…with this recipe? i’m guessing you don’t waste your time on the english muffin.

by Capt Science on Jan 12, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You do need some vessel for delivery

by Saberilliterate on Jan 12, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

all natural!

Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.

by theBrouhaha on Jan 12, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

absolutely

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 12, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

margarine and crisco were two of the first two things to go.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 12, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it really dieting without being aware of calorie reduction?

Weight loss is all about calories. Anyone that’s serious about changing their diet should pretty much know that. My guess is that the article is aimed at the casual dieters to try to get them to pay a little more attention and nudge them towards getting serious about it.

by ecocd on Jan 12, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

well, i think it's two different things

that happen to have some overlap.

my gf is all about eating local foods or low-processed foods. i think that’s related to ease of digestion, which may help on the weight end, but is probably more focused on digestive system health. i think society’s going overboard on that now (kevin goldstein even tweeted an article in that vein), but what do i know?

on the flip side, i like to eat crap, and the sweeter the better (oreo cakesters with double stuf might just be the best food ever invented). however, through calorie counting and exercise i was able to lose 15% of my bodyweight and keep it off.

by Capt Science on Jan 12, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

good job with the keeping it off part

I’m definitely a bear. I gain 15-20 every winter and lose most/all of it in spring/summer

by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 12, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree with Pags

Good on you for keeping it off.

by ecocd on Jan 12, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Mets

Maybe someone should direct them towards Looper and Suppan so that they can make their ex-Brewers rotation complete.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 12, 2011 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

Suppan had more problems then just HR, didn't he?

I could see a Looper when he was with the Brewers benefiting from a park that discouraged homeruns. Suppan was just bad, period, right?

by ecocd on Jan 12, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's probably true.

Suppan couldn’t throw strikes. His combination of walks and meatballs would be trouble anywhere – even if they don’t all go for home runs, he’d give up lots of hard hit balls with men on base.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Jan 12, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Not trying to advocate for him

But he was replacement level last year in about a half seasons worth of starts. Would a move to a pitcher friendly park and 130 IP or so make him worth 1 WAR at least?

If it means the difference between having a paying job or being out of work as an MLB pitcher, I would bet that Suppan wouldnt mind a job with the Mets and he might put up 5th starter kind of numbers. Could work as a Padre too.

by backtocali on Jan 12, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

That's true

But you’re not comparing Suppan in a normal park vs Suppan at a pitcher’s park — you’re comparing Suppan in a pitcher’s park vs different pitching option at a pitcher’s park.

No question Suppan would be better at Petco, but all pitchers would be better at Petco or Metco, I would guess the Mets or Padres could do better than a guy like Suppan.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Jan 12, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't it depend upon HOW he was getting nailed?

I’ve always assumed that “pitcher’s parks” affect only the gaps in the outfield. They keep fly balls in the park and depress the HR/FB rate, alleviating the problem with the high FB pitchers.

Suppan’s 2011 saw his GB/FB rate drop off a cliff (2009 1.49, 2010 1.04), but his HR/FB rate dropped as well (2009 13.4, 2010 9.6). A pitcher’s park should keep the HR/FB rate low, but combine that GB/FB ratio with a career of low K/9 counts and he’s going to be a terrible pitcher even in a pitcher’s park.

That 2009 xFIP of 5.26 and 2010 xFIP of 5.05 is pretty terrible, too. That said, the Mets 2011 rotation is looking like it’s going to be pretty terrible so a 5.00 xFIP pitcher might indeed be an upgrade compared to other internal options.

by ecocd on Jan 12, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

For sure

But then if you get a 1 WAR guy he’s worth more, as well. He’s the same pitcher. Bad.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Jan 12, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

The Mets still play 81 games not located in Citi Field. It would really suck if they couldn’t use 40% of their rotation on the road.

by Saberilliterate on Jan 12, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

The money lost to injury stuff is interesting.

I wonder if there was less DL time overall as well. Teams got about 0.50 ERA better out of their worst 32 starts in 2010 than in 2009. I was guessing that there were fewer pitcher injuries thus fewer crappy pitchers getting starts and that is what contributed to fewer runs overall in 2010.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Jan 12, 2011 12:40 PM CST reply actions  

Throw in the money going to DFA'd pitchers

that’ll really get your head spinning.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 12, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

And when I say "pitchers"

I mean “players”

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Jan 12, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

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