Monday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while getting an expert diagnosis.
As they've done a handful of times this year, the Brewers managed to overcome a tough start from Zack Greinke to pick up a win at Miller Park yesterday. His -.334 WPA and 36 Game Score were the fourth and fifth worst ever for a winning starting pitcher in postseason history, respectively. Greinke hasn't lost a home game since July of 2010, but this was only the second time in his career he's won a game after allowing six runs or more.
If you watched yesterday's game or have seen the highlights, you've probably seen the 73 mph hanging curveball to David Freese that got Greinke in trouble. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar notes that Greinke's curveball usage this season has climbed pretty steadily, making it easier for teams to watch for it. Joe Posnanski said he's surprised to see Greinke struggling in the postseason.
Greinke was bailed out, though, by a franchise record-tying six run fifth inning by the Brewer offense. The Brewers put together five extra base hits in the inning, which is as many as the Phillies managed in the final 34 innings of their series against the Cardinals. Despite the fact that the Brewers put six runs on the board, Tony LaRussa said he was comfortable with the decision to leave Jaime Garcia in to face Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder.
Despite everything else that happened yesterday, though, one event seems to have taken over the conversation surrounding this series. Just look at all the stuff that's been written about Yuniesky Betancourt's home run:
- It's Miller Park Drunk's lasting memory from the game.
- David Schoenfield of ESPN wrote about it.
- I think it might have broken You Can't Predict Baseball.
- Jim Breen of FanGraphs used it as a jumping off point for a reminder of Yuni's poor season.
- Tyler Lockman of FS Wisconsin said it might have been his best AB of the season.
- Yuni is one of several reasons Jeff Sullivan of Lookout Landing can't climb on the Brewer bandwagon.
- Grant Brisbee of Baseball Nation would like to redirect your attention to Betancourt's awful AB in the first inning.
- David Brown of Yahoo was one of many to note Betancourt's postgame quote regarding not hearing criticism of his game due to the language barrier.
- TheJay noted that Betancourt is the first Brewer to hit for the postseason cycle this year.
- Betancourt and Jerry Hairston Jr are the subject of Brewers in 11's latest edition of Around the Infield.
Betancourt's home run yesterday netted a fair amount of conversation, but it shouldn't draw attention away from the shot that preceded it: Prince Fielder's go-ahead two-run shot was clocked at 119.2 mph coming off the bat, the fastest speed recorded in the majors this season. David Brown of Big League Stew found the spot where it left a mark in the concrete at the back of the Cardinal bullpen. Afterwards, Fielder almost punched out Ryan Braun.
John Axford recorded the final three outs to nail down the save yesterday, but the better news is this: He says he's fine after taking a line drive off his elbow while recording the game's final out.
Yesterday's win lured a few more new friends onto the Brewer bandwagon, but even before the game Lew Freedman of Call to the Pen said the Crew could win it all, and J-Doug of Beyond the Box Score gave them a 56.5% chance to win the NLCS. That number will likely go up today: 16 of the last 19 teams to win Game 1 of the NLCs have gone on to reach the World Series.
Other notes from the field:
- Ryan Braun is the first Brewer ever with four RBI in a playoff contest, and was MLB.com's Performer of the Game.
- Braun and Fielder both homered in the game for the 37th time in their careers. The Brewers have now won 16 straight games when that happens.
- Both benches were warned but the game was played without further incident after Prince Fielder was hit by a pitch in the first inning. It was Fielder's second career postseason HBP, and Plunk Everyone has much more.
- Tom Haudricourt noted that the HBP was likely unintentional, but wondered what the reaction would have been if the tables had been turned and it had happened to Albert Pujols. Both sides said the warning was not an issue.
- Zack Greinke told reporters after the game that the Cardinals were yelling at him from the dugout, but it wasn't a big deal
- Before yesterday's game the Cardinals added pitchers Kyle McClellan and Lance Lynn to their NLCS roster. Both appeared in the game.
- The roof was open for yesterday's game, and I'd be surprised if it's not open again tonight.
- Braun, Fielder and David Freese are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
- Here's a transcript of Ron Roenicke's postgame comments, and links to highlights from yesterday's turning points.
- Several Brewer players' families were seated behind home plate yesterday, while is why players frequently pointed to them after scoring runs.
- Lori Nickel of the JS talked to Jerry Hairston Jr after the game, but had to wait until he was done checking his fantasy football scores.
- The Chorizo won the Sausage Race.
- Paid attendance for yesterday's game was 43,613. Attendances for playoff games have been lower than usual because the right field bleachers are blocked off for auxiliary press use.
Here are yesterday's home run trot times, via Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus:
| Player | Trot Time |
| Yuniesky Betancourt | 17.83 seconds |
| Prince Fielder | 19.33 seconds |
| Ryan Braun | 20.5 seconds |
| David Freese | 24.73 seconds |
The series continues tonight, with Shaun Marcum taking the mound against Edwin Jackson at 7:07 (FanShot). Mike Bauman of MLB.com has the preview, and Adam McCalvy has a guide for fans headed out to the park.
Hopefully we won't see a repeat of this: Todd Rosiak talked to Shaun Marcum about his glove flip following Ryan Roberts' NLDS Game 3 grand slam, and he said he didn't even realize he'd done it until seeing the highlight after the game. Marcum, by the way, had some strong praise for former teammate (now Cardinal reliever) Marc Rzepczynski.
If you watched yesterday's game you know that Craig Sager and his lavender suit were closer to being a "sideline distraction" than "sideline reporter." You probably also heard him refer to the Brewers' leading MVP candidate as "Ryan Brown." Braun, by the way, reached some relatively rare territory yesterday: His home run to the back of the Harley Davidson Deck in right center traveled an estimated 463 feet.
Here's something to keep an eye on in the coming days: Cardinals outfielder Matt Holliday started in left and went 2-for-4 yesterday, but there are still some questions about his ability to throw the ball as he deals with a tendon issue in his hand.
The Brewers and Cardinals are enemies this week, but they do have a fair amount of shared history: The B-Ref Blog made a pretty strong All-Time team of players that have played for both franchises.
Remembering how far this team has come makes their current success even sweeter. Scott Miller of CBS remembers 2002, when the biggest attraction at Miller Park was the Sausage Race.
Looking ahead, Francisco Rodriguez is a few weeks away from becoming a free agent. He told reporters yesterday he's open to returning to the Mets, and sounds like he'll go anywhere as long as he's promised an opportunity to close. If they haven't promised they won't, the Brewers really should offer him arbitration so they'll get compensation picks when he signs elsewhere.
In the minors:
- Baseball America ranked Logan Schafer as the 18th best prospect in the Pacific Coast League this season. Brett Lawrie was #1.
- It's a good thing playoff teams aren't chosen this way: Flip Flop Fly Ball notes that the Brewer organization went 451-472 this season, the fifth best record in the NL Central.
- The AFL was off yesterday, but 2011 Huntsville Star Brock Kjeldgaard hit a home run and drove in four runs in Canada's victory in the Baseball World Cup.
If you missed this weekend, you missed a lot. For the second straight week Sunday's Special Frosty Mug covered a weekend's worth of events and news.
Around baseball:
Cardinals: Designated first baseman/outfielder Andrew Brown for assignment.
There will be an LCS doubleheader today, as the Rangers and Tigers play an afternoon game to make up last night's rained out Game 2. You can read about that and more in today's edition of Around the MLB Playoffs.
There's another interesting element in play, though: Last night's rainout was announced pretty early and turned out to be premature, as by game time it was clear the contest could have been played without interruption. Meanwhile, the postponement means three ALCS games, scheduled to be broadcast on Fox, will be played on weekday afternoons. Baseball Time in Arlington is none too happy about it, and Halos Heaven points out that the situation almost certainly would have been handled differently if the Red Sox or Yankees had been involved.
In other Octobers, this has been the kind of thing we spend a lot of time discussing: The MLB Winter Meetings are scheduled for December 5-8 in Dallas.
This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History celebrates the 53rd anniversary of the 1957 Milwaukee Braves' World Series victory. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the 40th anniversary of a trade that sent Tommy Harper and two others to Boston for George Scott, Jim Lonborg and Ken Brett. Scott was the first Brewer ever to lead the AL in home runs and was eventually traded for Cecil Cooper, while Lonborg and Brett spent one season in Milwaukee before being part of a trade that netted Don Money.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to remain aware.
Drink up.
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October baseball games are exhausting.
So tired, you guys.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I am also tired.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think there's a strong possibility I'm going to sleep through most of November.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 10, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tell me about it
After last weeks late games, I start off by going to a game on a sunday night, arriving home at around midnight. Work was fun at 7am.
November will be welcomed.
by Mr. McGehee on Oct 10, 2011 1:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Habit
We’re usually heading into hibernation around here in October, packing ourselves in our bratwurst-filled caves and peeking out on weekends to catch a little football. We watch the Superbowl/Rose Bowl, check to make sure the earth is wobbling back in the right direction, then take a long nap until spring training, amirite?
Back to back
I hadn’t planned for the impacts of drinking nervously through a Brewers game, and then a Packers game. And now I know said impacts. Very well.
How nice is it having BA annoucing the games?
Makes you feel more at home watching the postseason. I also like the ‘camera on a wire’ shots from yesterday’s game. That’s a perspective at MP I hadn’t seen before.
"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush
by thefreewheelin76 on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
All the different camera angles were fantastic
Pretty neat way to see Miller Park and different angles on replays
Get a ife broseph
At the stadium that camera is annoying
Unfortunately, that stupid camera wire means the camera zooms back & forth in front of all of the right field loge seats. At least they only use it between innings and not during play.
Lookout Landing
Don’t they realize we don’t like Yuni either?
REWIND YOURSELF!
by drezdn on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Yuni
How come any time he does something good, people are always quick to point out “Well, he still stinks (the Breem FG article as another example of this)” as if Brewer fans who watched him this year aren’t painfully aware he’s terrible?
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just to prove to the national media
that we aren’t rubes.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
can we stop the Yuni hating?
At the risk of being berated AGAIN for it, here I am defending Yuni. You have to admit, he has made key plays in just about every post season game.
There's been a lot of Yuni love lately.
And yes, he’s had six mostly good games. But weighting those six games appropriately against the 152 he played during the season is pretty important.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
At this point,
does it really matter what he did during the regular season? All that matters right now is winning seven more games and Yuni has been more of a help than a detriment in the first four. As long as he continues to play well through the rest of the postseason, I could care less how bad he was during the season.
by Bezerkers on Oct 10, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Other than Reyes
who’s available at shortstop? I’m not saying I want him to be our SS next year, but he may be the best option available. I don’t think JHJ would be a very good everyday SS at this stage in his career and all of the others on Cot’s list are either getting old or not that impressive to me.
This article
at Beyond the Boxscore has a lot to say about this years shortstop market: mainly that it’s the best it’s been in years.
It’ll have all the answers your looking for and more.
Aside from Reyes and Rollins,
who I don’t think the Phillies let go, there’s nobody who really jumps off the page who would be tons better. Punto or Barmes maybe, but I don’t think there is anyone who is going to be leaps and bounds above what we have. I think it will come down to cost. If they can pick up a cheap option for 2-3 mil as opposed to 4-5 mil I don’t think it matters who they sign.
Either Punto or Barmes
would be a TON better.
Just my opinion, though.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I'd be worried about Punto's health
But Barmes is definitely an upgrade. I’d take him for 1 year/5 mil or 2/8
Hell, I'd sign him at 3/10 or 3/11 if thats what it took to get him here
I don’t think he goes anywhere for less than 2 years, and I think someone offers him 3.
A 3rd year at 3 mil isn't bad
3 years is stretching it, though. Not as bad as Pavano getting a 3rd year, but still dangerous
We spent 3.2 mil on back up shortstops this year
1.4 to Counsell
.4 to Almonte
.4 to Wilson (I couldn’t find his contract, I’m assuming it’s the minimum)
1 for a half year of JHJ
if he’s relegated to backup duty that 3rd year, we’d be in a similar position as we were this year. If he can start, that’s a huge win for the club.
Almonte didn't get a full $400k, did he?
Doesn’t he only make a Major League salary when he’s on the active roster or Major League DL?
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 10, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
but even if he only made a month of salary, the total still comes pretty dang close to that 3 million mark.
Barmes does have some injury risk
Correct? Didn’t he miss a good chunk of a year or two in Colorado?
He had a nonbaseball related injury in 2005
He fell carrying a gift from Todd Helton up the stairs in his apartment and broke his collarbone.
Other than that, his lack of PAs are mostly a function of the rise of Tulo.
With a clause
that nobody can buy him a gift.
I know he's not a marquee name or anything like that
But he seems like much too big of an upgrade to get for 3/$11.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Probably true
I don’t know how this season affects his value, but he was only a .308 wOBA. His value for the season depends almost entirely on how good you think his glove is (UZR loves it).
If teams think his defense is legit, then he’s worth 2/16 or 3/20 or so.
Carlos Gomez has a lot of range
I see no reason why he can’t play center field and shortstop. At the same time.
I figure
If this is how he performs when we keep complaining about him, well, then it’s best to continue complaining about him.
REWIND YOURSELF!
by drezdn on Oct 10, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
He can't understand us anyway
Maybe he just thinks we cheer angry, and he’s happy to have our furious support.
by nullacct on Oct 10, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
I called his big knock in NLDS game 1 and yesterday’s HR. I knew it was going to happen out of spite. I’ll take that egg on the face if he keeps it up.
I got goons.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
He seems to be responding well
To my reverse jinxes.
When he comes up in non-critical situations, I fully expect him to be an out in some form and usually just beg the tv to not be a double play.
When he comes up in a critical situation, he’s actually turned into one of the Brewers I’d rather have up there. He’s been much more effective than Weeks in the postseason in that regard.
But I still don’t want him on the team next year.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 10, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yesterday, in a beer induced irrational moment I took back 3/4 of the bad things I ever said about Yuni
Luckily still leaves a ton of bad things on the table.
I hate Yuni.
by BrewCrewBrian on Oct 10, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe chalk it up to everyone being in a good mood from the W yesterday...
but I’ll qualify all of this as Yuni love, and will stop posting about it for the rest of the year.
My Yuni dislike is well known among my friends
and after that HR I got 4 texts instantly saying: “Still don’t like Yuni?”
"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush
by thefreewheelin76 on Oct 10, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
i hate yuni, but tempering it is appropriate
that first inning at bat was painful.
but, he’s on the team now, so let’s just stick by him as much as reasonably possible until the post-season ends. i thought braun’s comments about reyes were inappropriate for that reason as well.
by Capt Science on Oct 10, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't hate Yuni.
I just think he’s a bad baseball player.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Oct 10, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Postseason articles are written for a national audience.
A national audience seeing Yuni for the first time might need reminding that this is the best week of his life.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
True, I understand that
I guess I was referring to Fangraphs, the ESPN Sweet Spot blog, Baseball Nation and other blogs where 95% of their readership knows that Yuni is a bad baseball player having a good postseason.
Get a ife broseph
Shrug.
Those are the same sites that will write 1000+ word posts about the irrelevance of pitcher wins, which they also know quite well.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Second best
Best week is still the week he signed his current contract.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Very true.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw Jeff's article last night, and he actually stayed true to what he said last week.
(That he would cheer for us but wanted Yuni to go hitless.)
Betancourt could be going to a WS before Ichiro ever does, so that’s got to be frustrating, as well. They’ve probably had a lot of Yuni-related trauma as Mariners fans!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does it take Freese a full 4 seconds longer to round the bases than than the slowest Brewer?
That’s disrespectful.
Not sure if that's more surprising
or how quickly Yuni rounded the bases
Prince: "Brewers will win the World Series and I'll sign a 10-year deal in Milwaukee"
Braun: "Well, I guess there's just one thing to do then..."
fair enough
What were his times during the season? Maybe this is another case of him saving his speed for the postseason.
Freese
seemed to really loaf it during his lazy-flyball-that-happened-to-drive-in-3-runs. I was anxious to see what his trot time was…
Post-season
mugs are amazing. Brewers only need to go 7-6 to win it all!
Good news about Axford
That was one of the things that concerned me after the game yesterday. MLB Network didn’t have any updates immediately after the game, and then I had to switch over to the Packers.
Celebrations in football vs. baseball.
Last night while watching the Packers game, I watched the players celebrate after all kinds of plays and I thought, "they shouldn’t do that or someone will get mad at them for disrespecting the game.’ And then I remembered that it is perfectly acceptable to celebrate ANYTHING in football but it is inappropriate to even smile in baseball. I love that I am watching the Brewers in mid-October!
by Hangwith'em Rach on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't give TLR any ideas
Or the Rules Committee might try to take a page from the NFL and penalize people for ‘excessive celebrations’.
this, a thousand times
"[Baseball moguls] must truly believe that all their fans are scholars of the game who would resent having their concentration on the great pageant about to be played out before their very eyes distracted by anything as dull as, say, fun and laughter." --Bill Veeck
K-Rod & Arb
I thought that the deal he struck getting rid of his vesting option also included a clause that the Brewers wouldn’t offer arbitration to him.
by Saberilliterate on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
We should ask Haudricourt
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You may be right and it's been discussed here several times
But no one knows for sure. If that happened, it was a handshake deal, most likely.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 10, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't believe that is correct.
I thought Haudricourt posted something on twitter when that deal happened that said he hadn’t neard anything about not being able to offer Arbitration.
He was making fun of people who thought that arbitration was still possible, and then latter had to correct himself and say he didn't know.
So, yes.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
As long as it's not explicitly listed in his contract
The Brewers should offer him regardless of what they “promised.” There is a reason things are included in contracts. Also, It doesn’t really affect him, and even if it did, his behavior in the media makes me less inclined to care about his feelings.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
Only possible downside being
that it probably won’t do us many favours in trying to sign other guys if we get a reputation for being a tad dishonest about our dealings
Less than proud owner of Marmol Says Knock McLouth (BCB League III)
The NBA stole my wife
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!" ThroughBeingCool
by MrLeam on Oct 10, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not proposing we make a habit of it
But in this case I don’t feel we owe him anything. He’s not a product of our system and he has no future with the team by his own admission. Why would we worry how he feels?
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
Because he's a member of the players union
and they tend not to look kindly upon such things.
yeah, they’d have no legal recourse, but it could affect guys taking a hometown discount or free agents coming to milwaukee if the union puts some pressure on them.
by Fiesta on Oct 10, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guys rarely take hometown discounts anymore
The union has already seen to that
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
Yeah, it's the union's fault that players choose not to turn down millions of dollars...
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
At least partly, it is
There’s a lot of pressure on players to take 200 mil instead of 150 mil, even if they’d be happier in their hometown or with the team they came up with.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
"rarely"
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
What the hell?
That’s an intelligent comment, turned green, posted my MrLeam. First Yuni being productive, now this? I’m so confused.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
Depending on how much K-Rod cared, that would be inviting a lawsuit of some form if the Brewers really had promised no arbitration and K-Rod had relied on that to waive his no-trade clause.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
If he was relying on it, he should have negotiated it into his contract
That’s what contracts are for
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
I suggest you not look into modern contract law if you don’t want your head to explode.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Sure
I don’t know the complexities of elaborate contracts like those I’m sure sports teams hand out, but if he reasonably relied on the Brewers’ assurances he can claim promissory estoppel even without a formal written contract saying that the Brewers would waive their right to offer him arbitration.
More likely though, if they promised him something and were lying about it in order to induce him to accept the $500k buyout thing, he can just argue fraud.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
I actually don't remember what happened though
The theory is that the Brewers agreed not to offer him arbitration when they did the $500k option buyout?
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
They offered him another 500k to waive the games finished clause
The vesting option. Nothing was mentioned publically about arby.
If it was a non-written term of the actual contract I guess it's not promissory estoppel then.
He would probably argue fraud in inducement or that there was a collateral agreement (in the scenario where the Brewers promise him no arbitration, they sign the formal contract, and the Brewers then renege on their promise). But either way there’s cause of action.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Well if they did promise him that, in writing or otherwise
That was really stupid. Why would they give up that power for such a small sum? The arbitration system allows teams to get picks for departing free agents. The Brewers aren’t gaming the system, they’re using it.
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
I agree
I don’t think they had any reason to promise him that, given that they had most of the leverage in that situation and the buyout “buyout” was just a luxury for both parties.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
I'm actually Scott Boras in real life.
Wait, I’ve never mentioned that before?
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
I mean, I understand that spoken contracts can be valid
I would just wonder why they didn’t put it in writing if it was so important
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
That's cool
I know these guys respect each other, but it was neat to see Prince giving Ryan a compliment on ESPN:
What’s it been like watching Ryan Braun swing the bat for this entire season, and now this postseason?
Oh, it’s awesome. It’s like he never, uh, it’s like he picked up where he left off. Yeah it’s just awesome watching him because he sets the tone and then when I get up there the pitcher’s already, you know, pitcher’s kind of in a funk. Hopefully when I go up there the pitcher’s worn down a little bit.
That’s kind of the counter-argument to Prince giving Braun good pitches to see by hitting behind him: How much does Prince benefit from having Braun tearing up the pitcher ahead of him and getting on base?
by nullacct on Oct 10, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
random thoughts on the game
i don’t know if it was covered in the gamethread or post-game comments, but:
(1) there seemed to be a decent number of empty seats for the game. someone also told me that stubhub had 5,000 tickets for sale. i wonder if inventory didn’t get moved and it was just fairly noticeable;
(2) greinke seems to space out during the middle of the game. i noticed it in arizona, and while i couldn’t see it from my seat, i suspect he just got a bit bored in the middle of the game and that helped him hang the 3-run home run. while i’m not going to pretend to get in his head, does that make sense to anyone else?
yeah, i didn't word that correctly
i meant “in the arizona series”
by Capt Science on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Another acticle about last nights game
From Jeff Passan at Yahoo that points out how rarely the Brewers have actually had a big inning like the 5th last night
Hey all, not trolling here. Just want to point out re: Freese's slow trot that he really is THAT slow.
He has had multiple ankle surgeries (including one reconstruction) and coudn’t catch a dead sloth in a race.
Anyway, you kicked our butts good and proper yesterday. We’ll see how it goes tonight.
Later!
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We have you on our list of Cards fans that we like.
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I hate Yuni.
by BrewCrewBrian on Oct 10, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
but really, it's shame there isn't more cross-talk between blogs.
I get it; being a fan is emotional, and emotional people with differing viewpoints get nasty at each other, especially over an impersonal medium like the internet. But it’s a shame. I’m a big Packers fan, and a good buddy of mine is a huge Vikings fan. Getting together with him for a game between the two is invariably interesting, but because these SBN blogs have such a tendency to descend into irrational crap, we miss that opportunity.
Ah well…
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If we could all talk with respect about each other and be happy for our own and others’ successes, and be frank with our criticisms without fear of reprisal and open with our compliments without accusations of betrayal. I would like to live in that world – which can’t exist as long as TLR strives to make it otherwise.
by nullacct on Oct 10, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh. He'll be gone soon enough, and most Cards fans are ready for the change, though for different reasons than you all, I suspect.
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We don't want him gone, not at all.
We’d much prefer that he keep running off your cost-controlled budding stars because he can’t get along with their daddies.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I'll get you my pretty!

and your little dog, too
by nullacct on Oct 10, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can you also 'shop Gorman's head in here?
I hate Yuni.
by BrewCrewBrian on Oct 10, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to worry?!
That’s Tony LaRussa and that broom is a dangerous vehicle.
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It's longer than that
I like pegasus and that other guy
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I came across a dead sloth in Cahuita NP Costa Rica last August.
It just looked like someone left a grey/blonde wig on the ground.
fka "warwick5s"
by DEUCE SLUICE on Oct 10, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Great memories from Cahuita NP.
I had a pack of monkeys break into my backpack and eat all my food there. Nilla wafers and bread and cheese.
They stayed pretty far away when we were in Cahuita.
The ones in Manuel Antonio, though, were goddamn maniacs.
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Oct 10, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting comment on the ESPN Baseball Today podcast
Just want to throw it out here. Do you think that the warning issued in Game 1 resulted in both pitchers being less able to throw inside and setting it up for a high scoring game? I’m not that far into observing the game (and wasn’t watching, only getting updates on the phone), so I don’t know if there is truth in that or not.
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I think the topic came up in the game threads
Prince: "Brewers will win the World Series and I'll sign a 10-year deal in Milwaukee"
Braun: "Well, I guess there's just one thing to do then..."
I was looking for it
but noticed no change. Pitch F/X may tell a different story however…
Considering Motte was throwing so far inside that both Braun and Fielder had to dive out of the way, I'm going to say no.
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Indistinguishable.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Based on BrooksBaseball
Called pitches only (no swings), there were 13 pitches at least six inches off the plate inside after the warnings.
So…no.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 10, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, so I have a question about Betancourt:
Does fWAR take into account arm strength? Yeah, his range is terrible, and his plate discipline is awful, but could he be a strong arm/strong bat, allowing him to really do some damage when he actually connects with the ball on offense/defense?
I’m not saying I want him back, or that he’s anything not awful, but is it possible he’s slightly less awful than advanced metrics indicate?
His arm doesn't look that strong, but that's purely going by what I've seen.
And if his arm is above average, it’s negated by relatively poor judgment on when to risk/not risk throwing it into the seats.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Sounds strange
But there are certain things about Yuni I find comforting. I can’t count on him to get a hit, but I can count on him to make contact. I don’t ever expect him to get to a ball, but I rarely expect it to eat him up, and if there’s time, he won’t mis-throw. There are exceptions to everything, but it’s just his upper-end potential that’s really low, he handles the routine just fine. Sometimes, that’s comforting.
I don't think arm strength is in any way correlated with batting power.
They would both be covered by either UZR or normal offensive metrics though. Yuni’s horribleness on defense is almost entirely his lack of range though.
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I wasn't trying to insinuate they normally are
but in the case of Yuni, could he have above average bat power and above average arm strength?
If he had above average arm strength, it becomes easier to get an off balance throw in on time. Obviously thats not a huge boon to Yuni, but it could add a small amount of unexpected value.
And he’s 5th in ISO among NL shortstops, so I don’t think it can be said that he doesn’t have some pop in his bat.
I’m guessing he has above-average arm strength (though not necessarily above-average for shortstops), power would be more based on how you define it. e.g. he clearly doesn’t have good power on a 20-80 scouting scale since that is more than just raw strength but also the ability to hit the ball hard.
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Our site is so much better than the Birdos’. They clearly don’t love baseball as much as we do.
Quite serious.
Their site is like “ok here’s a game thread where you can type – if you know how.” And that’s it. Meanwhile, Kyle serves up up a steaming dish of Awesome with every mug, and other contributors add regular articles and links and turn this from a blog into the place to be. World of difference, imo. Clearly, we got the Love, and they don’t.
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