Shaun Marcum, Albert Pujols Combine For 12-3 Brewer Loss, Tie NLCS At 1
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 10, 2011 10:43 PM CDT
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W: Lance Lynn (1-0)
L: Shaun Marcum (0-2)
HR: Rickie Weeks (1), Prince Fielder (3), Albert Pujols (1), David Freese (3)
MVP: Yuniesky Betancourt (+.062)
LVP: Shaun Marcum (-.277)
Going undefeated at home in the playoffs was probably too much to ask for, anyway.
This game was disappointing early and then got worse as it went along. The Cardinals took a 2-0 lead in the first on an Albert Pujols homer and never trailed. In fact, the Brewers had no answer for Pujols all night: He went 4-for-5 with a home run and three doubles, scoring three runs and driving in five.
With that said, Shaun Marcum didn't really have an answer for anyone tonight. He allowed five runs on seven hits over four innings, walking one and striking out one. The defense didn't help him out, but he was also hit pretty hard on multiple occasions. Given his third straight poor outing, it's hard to imagine the Brewers letting him make another start in this series.
Meanwhile the Brewers were held scoreless until the fourth inning, when Rickie Weeks hit a two run home run. They had another chance to make things close in the fifth, but Weeks grounded into a double play with the bases loaded to end the inning. Replays showed Weeks should've been called safe at first and a run should have scored, but when you lose by nine it's hard to get too worked up over such things.
This series takes an off day tomorrow and resumes in St. Louis Wednesday night.
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I wasn't in the Game Thread, so I don't know if this was brought up, but I'll drop it here.
Via @trenni
Chris Narveson vs the #STLCardinals this season: 1-1 in 3 games (2 starts) with a 1.20 ERA. #justsayin #Brewers #postseason
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Please. Please. Please? PLEASE?!
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by DEUCE SLUICE on Oct 10, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
of course
Kyle posted RRR postgame comments and he said as far as he’s concerned, Marcum’s still starting
by Nicole Haase on Oct 10, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
See you in Maryvale, Shaun.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Oct 10, 2011 10:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Guys don't forget... Mark A doesn't want to sweep... 7 games= max playoff revenue.
Also we needed to let them win in Miller Park so they don’t complain about the lighting or whatever…
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Good news everyone!
I consulted my witch doctor, and he informed me that tonight, the Cardinals have used up all the mojo in their bats for the rest of the series.
The Crew is still in this thing!
More importantly
Did you talk to your meat man?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 10, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He is ready
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
Asked if he would sit Marcum for Narveson in the post game next time around...
“We’ll have to see, if you take out a few pitches Marcum wasn’t hit that hard” paraphrasing… NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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He's a players manager
he’s not going to say anything about Marcum that is outright critical to reporters. Just wait, he said that about McGehee too and now he’s riding the pine.
I’ll wait to see the announced line up before I prepare my pitchforks and torches.
by Fiesta on Oct 10, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's just wrong.
They hit .368 against him as a team today. I’d like to hear exactly which pitches – aside from the obvious XBH – he was thinking of?
NOOOO
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Not to sound the defeat horn early...
but nothing they did looked good tonight. They battled back yesterday, but could very well be 0-2 with our starting pitching. There are plenty more opportunities, but this pitching problem needs to be addressed.
by Mr. McGehee on Oct 10, 2011 10:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Disagree
That makes no sense, we could even lose another game and still win the series just by winning at home
"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa
The next 3 games are in St. Louis... WE HAVE TO WIN ONE. And Gallardo in game 3 is our best chance I feel.
I concede I could be wrong, but right now Yo is the only pitcher I have faith in.
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If it was anyone but the Cards
I’d have faith. But Yo stinks against them. And he’s going up against a guy who decided to start pitching like a Cy Young winner again.
This season they had his number...
8 HRs in 4 starts. Prior to that, he had only given up 5 HRs over 7 starts.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Carpenter has pitched more innings than any other pitcher this year
His arm has to fall off eventually. Unfortunately, it might not be until next year.
REWIND YOURSELF!
Did you just call 1250 WSSP?
Some dude said that exact same thing you said here. LIKE THE EXACT
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
there are none
just need to hope the team regroups over the off day and play their best game of the season on Wednesday. They’re gonna need it.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 10, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to write
“Marcum’s done for the year,” but RRR blew a hole in that one.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
by Rubie Q on Oct 10, 2011 10:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He said great things about Casey before the playoffs.
by Zorakathura on Oct 10, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Right.
But if Marcum’s last two turns aren’t occasion to say: “Yeah, he’s got nothing left. He’s done,” I don’t know what is.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
Well, no, not in those words.
But we could’ve gotten the coachspeak: “We’re going to look at that and discuss our options” instead of “He was a pitch away from getting out of it.”
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I thought he did say something like that.
He left it a bit open in his response, I think. I’ll have to listen to it again.
by Zorakathura on Oct 10, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he did.
Everything went fuzzy for me once the “one pitch away” nonsense started.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
As I said earlier
Anyone who wants to come down to support the team but needs a place to crash can stay here. We need a presence at Busch.
So here's what we have to look forward to
Game 3: Gallardo, who’s career numbers vs the Cards are wretched and had one of his worst starts of the year last time he pitched in Busch
Game 4: Wolf, who typically pitches well at Busch, but got slaughtered in AZ
Game 5: Grienke, who has yet to pitch a decent game in the post season
Game 6: Who the hell knows. Probably Marcum due to some BS reasoning that RRR can come up with.
Yeah…really looking forward to this, especially now that they don’t have a 1-game cushion.
Don’t get me wrong, I hope these guys manage to give them a chance, but they’ve looked like scrubs so far. That gives me no confidence.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot: FUCK YOU Sam Holbrook!
Here are the probabilities I'm giving us for winning each game:
Game 3: 40% Game 4: 60% Game 5: 50% Game 6: 60% Game 7: 75%
Someone run the numbers here.
but what about the flip side?
Yo vs Carp is a wash.
Wolf vs Lohse then Greinke vs Garcia and then Jackson again. I still prefer our pitching to theirs throughout the rest of the series. I cannot see the Brewers pitching being consistently bad for two weeks, didn’t happen once during the season and I don’t think it’ll happen now.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 10, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quick everyone DISAPPROVE Rick Kranitz in the tracking poll to jinx the jinx.
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Actually Gallardo's horrible start to the Cards came at Miller Park.
The four homer game.
I remember the near no-no and a quality start loss later in the year from Yo at Busch this year.
take a deep breath
and go look at some stats. You could just look at each pitcher’s game log for this year. Gallardo’s last two starts against the Cards were not exactly great, but he has also had some gems. I expect him to be alright. Carpenter has been on a roll as of late, but again if you look at his numbers, he doesn’t dominate every time out. The Brewers actually had a good bit of success against him this year other than the complete game shutout late in the year. But plenty of teams got to him this year, even in August and September. It can be done.
by Tristram28 on Oct 10, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What are Wolf's numbers vs the Cardinals since we all know he will start game 4...
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Wolf's last outing was fantastic
8 IP 4H 1ER. That was early September and the Cardinals had a full, heakthy lineup. He’s had three rough starts in a row, but unlike Marcum, he’s put together quality games as late as mid-September. If he calms himself down a little, there’s plenty of radon to be optimistic about Game 4. I’m sure they’ll get to him in the 1st inning or two, just about every time does. If he fan keep the damage to 3 runs through 2 innings, the Brewers have a very good chance to win on Thursday. If Yo puts together a gem tomorrow, there’s the distinct possibility the Brewers are up 3-1 going into Greinke’s start on Friday. And HE’S bound to break out of this slump sooner or later, too. Put together 3 good or great pitching performances and this series may not even come back to Milwaukee.
by ecocd on Oct 11, 2011 7:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
radon = reason
Stupendous autocorrect. ;-)
by ecocd on Oct 11, 2011 7:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I want what you're having
That’s the kind of optimism I need this morning. :-)
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
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Try some radon.
It’s good stuff, man.
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by Yar Nivek on Oct 11, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marcum
Marcum has stunk for a while now, but Wolf hasn’t been much better. If Wolf stinks it up in St. Louis, then we can’t pull them both, unless we were to go with Narveson and Estrada. That smacks of desperation.
I'll take my chances with Narveson over Marcum...
Wolf hasn’t been good.. Marcum gave up 26 runs in last 28 innings in September… that isn’t bad… that’s worse than Suppan.
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Per Tom Haudricourt:
Shaun Marcum’s last 6 starts — 33 IP, 46 H, 30 ER. That’s an 8.18 ERA.
Not including tonights abortion
We're entering desperation time
with how bad the non-Yo pieces of the rotation has looked.
We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.
I am so sick of Roenicke's unfailing loyalty to players
per McCalvy
Would Marcum pitch again of series got to Game 6? “As far as I’m concerned right now, he’s pitching again,” RRR said.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 10, 2011 11:25 PM CDT reply actions
They need to skip his next start and get him fresh for the World Series
Come on, Ron. Dude is obviously gassed right now.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Silver Lining...
Randy Wolf’s last two starts in St. Louis he’s pitched 16 ip and given up 2 ER. The Brewers won both those games.
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WE FOUND MARCUMS PROBLEM!!!
HE ADMITTED… “Guess I pissed off the baseball Gods” We must have a sacrifice to satisfy Craig Counsell!!!
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by Flanyboy on Oct 11, 2011 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking Albert P...
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by Flanyboy on Oct 11, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, the baseball gods are the ones that served up a slow fastball to Pujols
Or your velocity is down, you have less horizontal movement on your pitches and your release point is inconsistent. Sticking your head in the sand won’t fix the problem (nothing but 5 months rest will, actually).
Do players keep up their throwing schedules if they’re not on the roster? I hope we never have to see him pitch, but Dillard is the first one back as an “injury replacement” right? If Narveson is going to go for Game Six, the Brewers need another long reliever in the pen on Wednesday night just in case.
by ecocd on Oct 11, 2011 7:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Craig Counsell demands the ritualistic sacrifice of a Valencia Orange.
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Hey guys, hey guys, the Brewers should, like, stop doing the "Beast Mode" because, um, Pujols was, like, a "beast" tonight. Get it? Because he had a bunch of RBIs.
Hehehehehehehe
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Marcum/Greinke
Its frustrating to see so little out of the main acquisitions in the playoffs.
Marcum was great up until September and then just seemed to hit a wall. He did still pitch well on the road in Septmember but was really shaky at home.
Greinke looks like we saw in May. Good peripherals but just giving up to many hits and runs.
At this point they just have to go with what they have. Yo, Wolf, Greinke, and then I’d skip Marcum and have Yo and Zach both pitch on 3 days rest and trust the four guys in the pen.
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Lance Lynn, not Edwin Jackson, was the winning pitcher.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
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