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Cardinals 12, Brewers 6: Ron Roenicke's Postgame Comments

As seen on FS Wisconsin:

How do you explain the lack of quality starting pitching in this series?

Combination of a good offensive team in St. Louis and us not commanding the baseball. You can't get away with mistakes to them, we made way too many mistakes.

Is that the hardest part?

Yeah, it is tough. You go into the playoffs, we talk about it all the time: Things need to go your way. You need to play well, you need to get breaks. We didn't pitch as well. Offensively I thought we were pretty good, although we couldn't touch their bullpen. Their bullpen came in and we didn't do much against them. But you know, that pitching, it got us here. I know some of them aren't happy with their performances but over the year, outstanding. And for the five guys, I thought they did a great job.

Did Shaun Marcum do anything differently today?

He had a different game plan going into it, but was never really able to get to that game plan. They were some kind of team in that first inning. We couldn't get away with anything...we didn't make good pitches, but we just never had a chance to get into our comfort zone, into a rhythm, except for Wolfie's (Randy Wolf) start, which was outstanding. But they just didn't let up on us.

On the decision to start Marcum:

I still know it was the right decision. I'm not second-guessing anything there. It was the right decision. With the options that we had, these guys pitched well all year, I still thought they had good starts in them. I was expecting that to happen today, as well as a lot of the other games we didn't pitch well. I like all five of them. I'll go through a season anywhere with those five starters.

On Prince Fielder:

Having a guy hitting fourth for you that can do the things he can do: Average, on base percentage, power, ribbies (RBI), leader in the clubhouse, it's hard to say where we'd be without him this year. Huge part of why we're here. But he's a force. When he gets it going, boy, he can do a lot of damage.

Overall perspective on team:

Like I talked about playoffs, you don't know what's going to happen in the playoffs. The hardest thing is to get there. You get in the playoffs, you get hot and you can roll through the playoffs. St. Louis is hot. Did they do anything wrong in the series? That's incredible to go through a series and have every single thing they do go right. And you can't stop that. That's what you have to have happen in the playoffs. You have to have breaks that you create because you're playing good, which they did. They outplayed us. They're a good team and they outplayed us.

Hard to take two bad games to end the season?

I don't know if I'd call today a bad game. We swung the bats well. We scored six runs today. Usually with our pitching six runs? I'd be happy with that and I'd think we're going to come out with a victory. But unfortunately they were swinging the bats a little bit better.

On the challenge of coming from behind:

Yeah, it is hard to get behind in the first inning like we did. But in two of the games we bounced back well. Today's game we bounced back and shoot, we're right in it again. And then we let it get away and we bounced back, but we couldn't keep it up...we couldn't keep bouncing back with all the runs they were getting.

How do you measure this season?

There's lots of goals. I don't think the goal when you start a season is to say "We need to get to the World Series." The goal is to win your division. You're playing in 162 games to get into the playoffs, that's what your goal is. And we reached that goal. We reached another goal when we got past the first round. We didn't reach the ultimate goal, which is to get to the World Series. We fell two games shy of that. I'm happy with our season. I'm happy with a bunch of guys. I was certainly blessed to be able to manage not just a great team but a great bunch of young men.

On having Chris Narveson in the bullpen:

Yeah, I think it was nice knowing that Narvy (Chris Narveson) was going to be there if we needed to. Certainly I was hoping we wouldn't get to needing him so early, but you don't know what's going to happen with your pitchers when they go out there. They have a pretty good pitching staff and we got to all of their starters. So it's just a matter of them coming in with a bullpen that was really throwing the ball well, and they were able to do it in almost every game. 

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Pretty stubborn on the decision to start Marcum

Maybe he doesn’t want to throw him under the bus, but it was a predictable result based on Marcum’s last month of pitching. Gave up 30+ runs in 36 innings since Sept. You have a guy that has ace stuff available on 3 days rest and it’s do or die. Not starting Gallardo was an unbelievably dumb decision. Pretty much just gave away tonight’s game. Gallardo was bad last time out, but with him, it’s a lot more likely he could have given you 6 innings and 3 or 4 runs tops. That may have been enough to get it to game 7 and then you have Wolf.

by David G on Oct 17, 2011 12:00 AM CDT reply actions  

*sigh.

Do you think he was lying? I don’t. If he was, that’s fine I suppose, but I don’t think he was lying about this anymore than I think he was lying when he (without being asked) defended the decision to start Kotsay several days ago.

And I have to point out once again that the choices he had in responding to these questions weren’t 1)“Marcum sucks ass. I never should have started him. I can’t believe how awful he was.”; and 2)“I still know it was the right decision.”

How about “well, I made the call and it didn’t work out”; “Shawn really felt like he could go and be productive and I thought so too, but we made the wrong call. It happens. Guys have bad days.” Either of those would have been eminently more reasonable a response than the “weapons of mass destruction” response he gave.

But it still comes back to this: He 100% completely believes he made the right call. If you won’t accept that based on the fact that he told you as much, then accept it based on this quote: “I don’t know if I’d call today a bad game” a few minutes after getting eliminated from the playoffs in a 12-6 loss where his team didn’t get a base runner for the last several innings, put up 2 more errors, and basically never game themselves a chance to win.

He’s bordering on delusional, and that’ll be true no matter how green your comment gets.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 17, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

*sigh.

Do you think he was lying? I don’t. If he was, that’s fine I suppose, but I don’t think he was lying about this anymore than I think he was lying when he (without being asked) defended the decision to start Kotsay several days ago.

And I have to point out once again that the choices he had in responding to these questions weren’t 1)“Marcum sucks ass. I never should have started him. I can’t believe how awful he was.”; and 2)“I still know it was the right decision.”

How about “well, I made the call and it didn’t work out”; “Shawn really felt like he could go and be productive and I thought so too, but we made the wrong call. It happens. Guys have bad days.” Either of those would have been eminently more reasonable a response than the “weapons of mass destruction” response he gave.

But it still comes back to this: He 100% completely believes he made the right call. If you won’t accept that based on the fact that he told you as much, then accept it based on this quote: “I don’t know if I’d call today a bad game” a few minutes after getting eliminated from the playoffs in a 12-6 loss where his team didn’t get a base runner for the last several innings, put up 2 more errors, and basically never game themselves a chance to win.

He’s bordering on delusional, and that’ll be true no matter how green your comment gets.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 17, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ron won't call today a bad game

huh.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

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~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 12:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm sorry.

RRR has fucked up in the playoffs and deserves ridicule, but Ned Yost never directed a team to the NLCS and I doubt he ever could have. Ron might be an average or below average manager but never forget that Ned Yost is the Yuniesky Betancourt of managers.

by Zorakathura on Oct 17, 2011 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Golden Brain they call him.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 17, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It all goes back to his decision to start Kotsay in Center and Greinke on the road.

2 unbelievably stupid decisions and in my opinion, he cost the team a trip to the World Series.
At the very least, he severely hindered their ability to get there.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 17, 2011 1:27 AM CDT reply actions  

nah

it was all in the home/road stuff. Greinke gave up 10 runs in 11 innings at home. So it’s not like he was having a good October. Viewing from afar, it seems like he got thrown off his schedule by insisting on starting game 162 before starting game 2. But the home/road stuff doesn’t account for things like his fastball being flat.

You could scapegoat a lot of things. Players who made more defensive miscues than usual. Superstar players who went out of the series on an 0 for 9. Quality starting pitchers who just disappeared in October.

But it wasn’t a bad season-ending loss. If such a thing exists.

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by BHWick on Oct 17, 2011 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most of them did but If Roenicke managed the team properly they would have been in a much better position to win.

The most obvious example being the Kotsay mess. If he plays Gomez or Morgan in that game, they win (assuming Ax doesn’t blow a save)

That move alone would have made it so that they were up 3 games to 2 instead of down 3 to 2 heading back to MP.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 17, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

So...

How many people here are hungover this morning?

Go ahead, make my day.

by ilikeburritos on Oct 17, 2011 8:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Yikes

I drank everything that wasn’t nailed down and a few things that were.

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by molitorfan on Oct 17, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

i even drank the emergency whiskey.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on Oct 17, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not hungover, but feels like I am

I went to the game last night and stayed until the bitter end (hoping for Rays-like comeback). After watching the Cardinals celebrate on our mound, I went home pissed off, then went to bed at about 1am.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same here

I was especially pissed at how many people were booing

I hate Yuni.

by BrewCrewBrian on Oct 17, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I didn't finish watching the game on tv.

Didn’t want to see those assholes celebrate at MP.
I finished out the season with Ueck.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 17, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

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