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MILWAUKEE, WI - OCTOBER 16:  Two Milwaukee Brewers fans look on dejected after they lost 12-6 against the St. Louis Cardinals during Game Six of the National League Championship Series at Miller Park on October 16, 2011 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.  (Photo by Scott Boehm/Getty Images)

Some things to read while checking the lost and found.

By now you've probably heard this: The Brewer season skidded to a halt last night with a 12-6 home loss to the Cardinals, who won the NLCS four games to two. Unfortunately, the series ended the way many of us feared and/or predicted it would: Shaun Marcum allowed four runs in the first inning and for the most part the rout was on from there. Ron Roenicke still insists he made the right decision by starting Marcum, but it's a decision he's going to spend the rest of his career defending. Craig Calcaterra is on his side. Michael Hunt of the JS says the blame for last night's loss should spread beyond Roenicke.

Marcum's outing yesterday was bad, but hardly unprecedented: ESPN reports that he's the sixth starter in the Wild Card era to pitch one inning or less as an NLCS starter. Rowland's Office would like to introduce him to Rick Camp, a pitcher who had a similar performance in Game 3 of the 1982 NLCS as the Cardinals beat the Braves to advance to the World Series.

At the end of the day, I feel bad for Marcum. He pitched poorly yesterday and throughout the postseason and that's what people will remember, but I feel like more blame belongs to a coaching staff that continued to send him out there long after it was clear that he was completely cashed in. If they had made an effort to keep him out of key situations this postseason, then he could've come to camp next spring refocused, reconditioned and ready to pitch longer and stronger in 2012. Instead, he's been saddled with the burden of being the worst performing pitcher in Brewer postseason history (0-3 with a 14.90 ERA in 9.2 innings). That label's going to be pretty hard to shake.

I think the most level assessment of Marcum's last few months and their long term impact came from Toby Harrmann:

Agreed that Marcum is a big reason the #Brewers made it to the playoffs, but that can't excuse his performance in the playoffs.

Several Brewers likely played their final home game at Miller Park last night, but none more notably than Prince Fielder. He went 0-for-4 but still received a standing ovation in his final at bat. Here's a collection of things people are saying about him this morning:

So I guess this is what we have left to talk about: Mark Townsend of Big League Stew has a look at what went wrong.

Other notes from the field:

As the lights dimmed on the 2011 season last night and the leaf blowers came out in full force, a small but (as always) loud portion of the fan base proclaimed the campaign a failure. 101 wins and an NLCS appearance weren't enough for them: They want a refund on the Greinke and Marcum trades. Looking in from outside, Will McDonald of Royals Review says the Brewers did the right thing. Even 56% of JS readers are still supporting the Marcum/Lawrie trade.

It's still a little early for me to take a long look at the big picture, but Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker says the Beast Mode Brewers will live on, and Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar encourages us to remember the ride, not the finish.

Meanwhile, Baseball In-Depth noted that the Brewer road woes extended into October. Entering last night's game they had a .847 OPS in the playoffs at home and .648 on the road.

With that said, it's worth noting that most of this Brewer team will likely not be dismantled: Adam McCalvy says the bulk of the team's nucleus will return for another season in 2012. Mark Attanasio talked to reporters after the game and showed no signs of backing down going forward. Next year he'll need a new jacket.

Of course, it's only natural to be disappointed. Adam McCalvy talked to Robin Yount about his hopes for this team to avenge the 1982 squad's loss to St, Louis.

Late last night John Axford tweeted out his thanks to the fans for an incredible season. Jacob Peterson of Beyond the Box Score noted that Axford recorded exactly three outs in 95% of his 2011 appearances, tied for the most in all of baseball.

If last night was Takashi Saito's final major league appearance (he'll turn 42 in February, so it very well may be), then he went out with an excellent performance. He was one of just three Brewer pitchers to escape his outing without allowing a run, and pitched two full innings for the first time since 2009. Rany Jazayerli noted that Saito's 2.18 ERA is the lowest ever for a major leaguer with at least 300 games pitched.

LaTroy Hawkins got what might be his last Brewer outing out of the way early: He was called into the game in the third inning in his earliest appearance since 2000.

There's also a chance last night's pinch-hit walk was Casey McGehee's final Brewer appearance. Toby Harrmann thinks the Brewers will tender him a contract, though, saying he won't get much money and can always be cut if he doesn't show anything this spring.

In the minors:

  • John Sickels of Minor League Ball is working on his 2012 Prospect Book and posted a preliminary list of Brewer prospects he's planning on covering. Take a look and see if you feel like he's missing anyone.
  • The AFL is off on Sunday but Erick Almonte and Caleb Gindl each had hits for their respective teams in the Dominican and Venezuelan winter leagues. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.

I bet they made a fortune on beer: Don Walker of the JS has a story on the non-profit groups that ran concessions at Miller Park last night.

No transactions to report today, so enjoy a brief musical interlude:

Of course, the 2011 baseball season isn't officially over: The Rangers and Cardinals will open the World Series on Wednesday in St. Louis. At least Lone Star Ball is happy this morning: This is the Fall Classic matchup 65% of them were hoping for. Beyond the Box Score is picking Texas to take the series in five games.

It seems like we have at least one guy like this each year: By virtue of having played for both teams this season, Arthur Rhodes is guaranteed a World Series ring no matter how this week's games turn out.

Today in former Brewers:

This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History celebrates the birthday of outfielder Glenn Braggs, who played for the Brewers in the late 80's. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also been 15,000 days since Mike Matheny was born. Sometimes we have a slow history day.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to find the remote.

Drink up.

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I think we will enjoy the season more when we look back on it.

For now, it’s just too painful (at least for me) to think about. Today has been difficult because I can’t go to any website I usually visit without some reminder of how the season ended.

By spring training, I’ll probably look back on the season in a more positive way. Until then, it’s just going to sting every time I think about it.

Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector

by -JP- on Oct 17, 2011 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm with Craig

it wasn’t as if Narveson was any better.

Ugh, Shortstop

by theBrouhaha on Oct 17, 2011 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Hard to say how Narveson as the starter would've done

Different mentality when you’re warming up during the game already behind than going through a normal pre-game warmup.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And if he wasn't making his 3rd appearance in 5 days

That might have helped. But that would have involved strategery an order of magnitude beyond what RRR’s capabilities. We should just be happy he didn’t decide Kotsay was the obvious choice to start game 6.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Oct 17, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's some really great analysis

thanks for adding to the discussion, troll!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not just that

We’re all used to Narveson’s Bad Inning™—and yeah, that was one of them. But his Bad Innings look a lot different in the context of his usual 5-7 inning starts as opposed to a 1-2 inning relief performance.

by morineko on Oct 17, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

That article was a fantastic read. And I'll admit, I got a bit misty-eyed. I'll miss the big guy.

Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.

by The Dayman on Oct 17, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like him

But I would be fine with us trading him for a cheap “change of scenery” player from another team.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 17, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who am I to question

But I also wonder if Casey is emotional because he sees the writing on the wall. The dream was great for awhile, but it very well might be over for him.

by SgtClueLs on Oct 17, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think at the very least they'll bring McGehee back in ST to see how he does

They don’t owe him alot of money, and it would be nice if he reverted back to 2009/2010 McGehee. If nothing else, he and Green could battle it out for the starting 3B job.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good maybe Prince can take Casey with him

Its funny we are going to give Prince a pass as he leaves a town that has given him nothing but love as he chases the all mighty dollar. I am sorry but one of the reasons I love Braun is he choose us, he could have been like Prince and went back to Cali to become the king of La. But Braun didn’t like I said he choose us.

Prince was great but we did not win a WS series with him let him go and enjoy his money I hope he does go to Miami enjoy playing in front of 4000 people every night after opening day We will do fine without you

We can use the money and go get even more starting pitching maybe a new 3rd baseman and SS hell I am guessing we can get a decent 1st baseman while we are at it. One man does not make a team the Rays lost half their team and made it to the playoffs we can rebuild without Prince and win the whole damn shooting match next year.

And yes I am bitter I have never been as huge of a fan of Prince as most Brewers fans because has made it known for the last 3 season he intended to leave it is a business to him so it should be to us nice job getting us here Prince sorry you could not do better than 2 hits in the NLCS but thats ok you go enjoy playing in Florida or with the Cubs the sun will come up tomorrow

"It's a joke. It's all a joke.

by WSB Chris on Oct 17, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's why I said consider.

Just saying that it’s not like Braun isn’t making money, too.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 17, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

they already did offer that to Prince, After he turned it down they offered it to Braun who took it

Because Braun understands he can be the next Superstar in the line stretching from himself back to Yount and Motlier to Aaron and Matthews. he can be a whale in the pond that is Milwaukee baseball face it his number 8 is already on its way up on the Miller Park Outfield we all know it

Unlike Prince Brauny loves us ;)

"It's a joke. It's all a joke.

by WSB Chris on Oct 17, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unlike Prince...

… Braun’s Dad didn’t magic away some of his signing bonus after the draft and then “invest” his way into a bankruptcy that put the whole family in relatively dire financial straits.

Given Prince’s personal history, I have a hard time blaming him for thinking that he has to make as much as he can while he’s still playing.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 17, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No matter how much money you make,

You can only drive one car at a time.

"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."- Rogers Hornsby

by icecreamman on Oct 17, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

^This

I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful

by Michael M on Oct 18, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is what it is. Baseball is a big business.

It’s great when you find a player like Braun who’s willing to stick with a team his whole career and make less money than he would have otherwise but that’s a rare find.

So it goes. I don’t wish him any ill, I hope he has a great career. Just not against the Brewers.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 17, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was an odd choice

Aaron would’ve been a nice choice (more as a tribute to his time in Milwaukee versus what he accomplished as a Brewer). Heck, they could’ve even gone with someone else from the ’82 team.

I wonder if they had to pay Disney anything.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to see it all end

I have stayed away from commenting the last few weeks because the team went on a nice run from the last time I had posted and I didnt want to jinx us. With that said I feel really down about how the season ended. Losing to this team makes it especially hard and its really tough because this organization has had so few opportunities in the last 30 yrs. This team was fun to watch but in the end I still feel unfulfilled.

Now on to my usual criticisms. If anyone votes approve to Roenicke ever again they should be ashamed of themselves. Between starting Kotsay in CF and pitching Marcum yesterday this dope ruined any chance we had to win this series and for me he will never be forgiven. I am still angry that we went all in with a jackass manager that got totally dominated by TLR.

I have to admit I am very concerned about where this organization is headed next without Fielder and many holes. I think there is a better than good chance that Yuni comes back next season and I truly dont think Roenicke is capable of even becoming a decent manager. Yes the season was a fun ride for all of us but I just cant shake this feeling that this manager really killed any chance we had to win this series and that is sad.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

If Yuni6 comes back...

No one should vote to approve of the job Doug Melvin did either. I really hope you are wrong with that prediction.

by proachinf on Oct 17, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say I'm "concerned" with the organizations next moves until I see them

But I agree on some of the RRR stuff, unfortunately. I liked his gambles during the regular season. When you play 162 games, you can afford to take a chance and pinch hit Kotsay when you need a walk off hit. Sometimes he’ll come through. Taking a gamble in the postseason is less ideal and literally every one of his failed. And it seemed RRR’s gambles were of a bigger nature in the postseason, not well-timed and well thought out. It’s too bad, because he really had a great year until the postseason.

Marcum is tougher. He was just about the most reliable in the regular season. The least reliable in the postseason. How are we supposed to feel about him? I have no doubt he’ll be a great contributor again next season; but it’s time for him to go away for a few months now. Ultimately I don’t feel like it’s fair that so many are going to blame the entire postseason on him, but I understand that line of thinking today. What I really wonder is why he was put back out there to start game 6 at all. Did he campaign for another shot? Did Kranitz campaign for him? Did Marcum, Kranitz or anyone else admit he was out of gas and RRR threw him out there anyway? I guess we’ll never know.

I think the foundation that the Brewers have from day one of this offseason is so much better than the foundation they had from day one of their offseason last year. It’ll be interesting to see what happens next. They have to make upgrades at SS and hopefully 3B and they have a bit of money to play with. The bullpen will also be an interesting thing. I kind of look forward to this part; however those long days and weeks without any news will be tough. I think there is an above average chance that they will get another shot at the postseason next year. And I don’t think it’s a given that Fielder will be gone (though it is probable; I’m just not going to overthink it until something happens).

No matter what the series and game 6 showed, the Brewers were the better team this year than St. Louis. Guess what? The Phillies were also a better team this year than St. Louis. Baseball is a funny game and you can never predict one team, no matter the players, to beat another with total accuracy. It’s too bad for the world of baseball that in a postseason with such potential, it’ll end up being the most blah possible scenario of a World Series. Maybe there will be great games. But I don’t know who’s going to be much interested in them.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 17, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed except

the Brewers werent the better team. When it comes down to it, the Cardinals were the better team overall.

by rondoman78 on Oct 17, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Nationals swept a series against the Brewers earlier in the year.

The Cardinals were hot and legitimately kicked the shit out of the Brewers in the series, no doubt about it, but anything can happen in a short series.

fka "warwick5s"

by DEUCE SLUICE on Oct 17, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you missed his point

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

I think I’m going to enjoy watching the Rangers eviscerate the Cardinals.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 17, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rangers in four.

"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."- Rogers Hornsby

by icecreamman on Oct 17, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have a lot of thoughts

but i’m not sure anyone really wants to hear/ read them at this point. so here’s the two biggest:
(1) rookie managers have historically not had good luck in advancing very far with their new teams. ron was no exception. so we’ve just paid about $90-100 million in training him. unless you get a huge upgrade, it’s hard to make a change;
(2) we’re not replacing prince, we’re looking to replace three positions – two (ss, 3b) had wobas in the .270-.280 range versus 1B’s .408. that should make it easier. how much easier, idk yet.

by Capt Science on Oct 17, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Basically, the Moneyball scene with the scouts

Fielder (.981 OPS), Betancourt (.652 OPS), and McGehee (.626 OPS). Replace them all with three guys with a .753 OPS, and we have the same gross production. You can’t really start a discussion without a starting point to improve on, so I’ll put one out there:

1B Russell Branyan (career .833 OPS vs. RHP)
SS Ronny Cedeno (.639 OPS… but awesome range at SS)
3B Miguel Tejada (career .823 OPS vs. LHP)

Average: .765 OPS. On days when there’s a RHP have Taylor Green at 3B. When there’s a LHP, have him play 1B. All three are defensive upgrades from 2011. So….. go ahead, give me a better option to consider :)

by nullacct on Oct 17, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn’t Tejada aging poorly though?

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 17, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, pretty much.

Yes, he is aging, and in limited play he didn’t hit great with the Giants. However, he did field well. If we can find some life left in his bat – and limit him to facing lefties by platooning him with Green – he could be fine. The easy answer is to buy someone like Rolen or Zimmerman, but I’m assuming we need to do this on a Dougie budget.

by nullacct on Oct 17, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think SS is probably the primary position we try to fill first

since we have options (although not ideal) for 1B and 3B.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

i won't chime in much here

as we have a few months to play armchair gm, but a few people mentioned how bad hart looked in right, so it’s possible to shift him to 1b and then adjust your search for a right fielder. which reminds me, i think center isn’t locked down, so a decision has to be made there as well.

by Capt Science on Oct 17, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gomez/Morgan platoon in CF for the next 2 years

I hope JHJr is brought back to fill the CC super-sub role, and Kotsay is shot out of a cannon into the sun.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Oct 17, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time to start guessing

What forgotten veteran will Melvin bring in to fill some hole this year? Bill Hall to replace CC?

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 17, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I <3 Chris Sabo

Few could rock the glasses like he could.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 17, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jason Kendall is a free agent.

But seriously, meet Eric Hinske, your 2012 first baseman!

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 17, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adam Dunn

Career .876 OPS (that includes this year which was the worst year of all time)

I predict he bounces back in a big way, especially if he moves back to the NL.

Come back player of the year next year. Mark it down.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 17, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know...

I’ve never heard that around here before. :)

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 18, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on both points

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by KRaw on Oct 17, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't get past your second paragraph

You used the phrase “jackass manager” in the same sentence as TLR, and you weren’t referring to La Russa? That’s just wrong, man. I’m pretty sure that rule is in Strunk & White or something.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 17, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Going "all in"

with a rookie manager from the AL proved to ultimately be the difference IMO.

by rondoman78 on Oct 17, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he very well may have cost us a trip to the WS.

The team could have made it a hell of a lot easier on him though by not playing like ass.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok first off I dont think were keeping Prince

BUT!!! last night I found a NYT article which mentioned the Brewers TV deal will nearly triple from about $10 Million per year to $30 Millionish in 2013. This team COULD be a $100 million payroll team in a year so if they really get creative its possible if they are willing to bring Prince back. That said I’m not sure if that’s in our best interest.

Streak Breakers.com

by Flanyboy on Oct 17, 2011 3:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Link?

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Oct 17, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's an old article

Their profile on Attanasio from a couple of weeks ago.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 17, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm suprised I hadn't heard that before

A $20M boost in revenue is a big deal to our size market.

That being said we can’t bring back Prince banking on that future revenue and bumped attendance figures.

Have there been any estimates on the additional revenue that the 6 home playoff games brought in?

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Oct 17, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick estimate

Average regular season price is $22.10 × 263,692 extra tickets (from today’s mug) = $5.83 M. Bump that up maybe 20% for the increase to playoff prices brings us to $7.0 M.

This of course doesn’t add in additional costs of staffing 6 extra games, or the travel to five away games. Or, the TV revenue from TBS for that matter, but it does show the nice little bump a playoff run can give a team.

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Oct 17, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Games 1-3 in the NLDS see 60% of revenue go to players the

Teams evenly split revenue the remaining 40% evenly. Games 4-5 teams split revenue 50-50. Players get nothing. In the NLCS games 1-4 have the 20-20 split and games 5-6 had the 50-50 split.

Streak Breakers.com

by Flanyboy on Oct 17, 2011 4:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

There are several figures mentioned in this article:

Here’s a link.

"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."- Rogers Hornsby

by icecreamman on Oct 17, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice

Last year’s draft had an immediate impact on the health of the farm system, at least at the top end.

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Oct 17, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tough Day - but Good Season

The NLCS did not end in a good way at all – and there is indeed responsibility to be apportioned. And it needs to be, especially if we think the Crew can be back in the post-season next year. The sucky thing is that baseball economics are harsher than almost any other sport for a team like the Brewers. Sadly, I agree with the others that a lot of this was a learning experience for RRR and his crew that the play-offs are different, and they are unforgiving. I’ll let all you budding GM’s debate how to fill the holes and maybe make another run next year. Even in today’s devastation, I believe there is at least one next year.

BUT

It was a hell of a run. I had confetti and streamers rain down on my head. I went to the ball park, instead of wondering if my team would look respectable, expecting they would win – and they did. They had a Magic Number, for God’s sake, instead of an Elimination number. I’m old enough that the first time a ball team broke my heart, it was the ‘69 Cubs (remember the Miracle Mets?). I gave up seriously following baseball for 20 years only to get hooked on my adopted hometown’s team because of the young players they brought into what is the coolest ball park in the major leagues.

It was a helluva run! Even if it is a tough Monday in October that wasn’t caused by the Pack.

Maybe that’s why it’s easier to be a football fan. Because baseball can break you heart.

by BennyBrewer on Oct 17, 2011 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Do not click unless you want to torture yourself

http://bit.ly/nLGYcI

Or are morbidly curious about what might have been. Link is to Chris Creamer’s sportslogos.net blog.

Among other things, he posts pics of what might have been merch, such as the item below

That section is pretty fascinating , but seeing the Tigers 2011 AL Champions shirt makes me wanna cry.

Eat 'em up, Tigers!

by ahtrap on Oct 17, 2011 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Roenicke

was all wrong from the beginning. From his first press conference when he bragged about how many outs we were gonna make on the bases to his small ball philosophy I knew he would be a disaster. Its fine to take a chance on a manager with no experience when you are rebuilding but when you are aiming for a championship its a terrible decision.

I really dont think this is the man to lead this team. i realize we wont fire him because we won 96 games and were two wins from reaching the world series but I definitely think we won despite his ineptness. It is also a very bad thing how he is so enamored with the veterans and his fear of playing young players.

I am really not sure what direction this organization should go. On one hand we could retool and make another playoff run but I think we really need to focus more on the draft as our minor league system is in pretty rough shape. We have lost many of our top scouts since Jack Z has left and seid has just not a good job so far so I would love to see a new scouting director, preferably one from an organization like Tampa, Texas or Atlanta who always seem to have good minor league systems.

My guess is that this team does not give Gamel or Green a shot next year but instead signs free agents to fill our deficiencies. I could see Aramis Ramirez at third and possibly Josh Willingham or Derek Lee at first with Yuni back as our shortstop since I just dont see Roenicke or Melvin for that matter being willing to play the young guys.

As for Marcum I disliked that trade from the start as I dont like his mechanics and I am not a fan of soft tossers who rely so much on location to be successful. I liked Lawrie a lot but did not realize he would develop into a mega prospect as he has and that trade now looks like a potential disaster in the years to come. It was a fun season but I am still left wondering what would have happened if we had a manager that was smart enough to know that Kotsay cannot ever play CF and that Marcum was completely shot.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Though he shouldn't be.

He should be resigned, if anything.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 17, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't.

Not with his mechanics. I think the team is best off by trading him. I like Marcum a lot, but a long term deal just seems risky.

by tcyoung on Oct 17, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell no.

Sign Greinke, not Marcum.

fka "warwick5s"

by DEUCE SLUICE on Oct 17, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marcum

is going to be hard to trade following his awful postseason and possible injury concerns. I would like to potentially trade Marcum for Kevin Youkilis who has fallen out of favor with Boston or to a team like Kansas City (Marcum’s hometown) for a minor league bat. I do not want to give Marcum a long term deal under any circumstances.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right

but I just have no interest in signing Marcum long term when he has really bad mechanics. With his lack of velocity I just dont see him aging well even if he stays injury free. I really hope we trade him for a young bat with upside or a guy like Youkilis who would be a nice replacement for Prince.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Typically soft tossers age better than hard throwers.

The hard throwers eventually lose velocity.

I hate Yuni.

by BrewCrewBrian on Oct 17, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure about that point of view

I think if a guy that throws 95 loses a few MPH he can still be successful at 91 or 92. If Marcum drops a few MPH he will be at 85 which is awful. My bigger concern with Marcum going forward is his mechanics which I believe will lead to more injuries going forward.

Lets remember Marcum has already had Tommy John surgery so I would be very wary of giving him a long term deal.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are right if they both lose 4 mph

but guys who throw ~90 generally only lose 1-2 mph.

I am not a major league hitter, but it is easier to hit a 93 mph straight fastball. than an 88 mph one that has movement.

I hate Yuni.

by BrewCrewBrian on Oct 18, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would have no problem re-signing Marcum

but definitely not for anything more than 3 yrs (1 or 2 preferrably).

He simply ran out of gas by the post-season (he had a career high IP this season).

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Assuming the issue was that he ran out of gas and he's not hurt

Then I’ll be curious to see if this season motivates him.

I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t report to camp next spring in the “best shape of his life.”

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 17, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

One day into the offseason Kyle. One day.

And we’re already talking BSOHL

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 17, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be surprised if he doesn't report to camp next spring in the "best beard of his life."

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 17, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

Teams won’t let that cloud their judgement.

by tcyoung on Oct 17, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marcum's hurt

He didn’t all of a sudden get bad a few weeks ago.

It will be interesting to see how he comes back in the spring. Given his successful track record, you have to bring him back next year but I sure don’t feel great about it given his injury history.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 17, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't it just be fatigue?

He had two very good outings in Sept… one of which was toward the end of the month.

9/4 – 7 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 99 PC
9/9 – 6.2 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, 4 BB, 2 K, 113 PC
9/14 – 5 IP, 8 H, 5 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 97 PC
9/20 – 8 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 7 K, 97 PC
9/26 – 4.2 IP, 10 H, 7 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 94 PC

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

We may never know what it was

but he really looked terrible all postseason and had no business pitching with the season on the line. I blame Roenicke way more than Marcum but would be really upset if we committed to Marcum on a long term deal.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

He had a great September last year with the Jays. From what I can tell, he starting pitching terribly on the 9/9 start (the Cub start on 9/20 was the outlier), which was 176 innings into the season.

So he wasn’t fatigued at all last year in September, and starting pitching terribly well before he reached his IP total of 2010.

Hard to draw the line between fatigue and injury because they’re related, I’m just not sure Marcum magically comes back next year just by getting rest.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 17, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since he still won't be FA-eligible until after next season...

I could see DM giving him another 1-yr deal and seeing how he does before signing him to an extension.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I don't think he'll ever offer him an extension that Marcum would take

Between his injury history and breaking down this year, not something you want to commit to for multiple years when you don’t have an unlimited payroll. I’m mostly just worried about Marcum performing next year.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 17, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I figure they would be able to get a pretty good idea if there's something wrong with Marcum in ST

That way they could simply cut him and only be on the hook for a small amount.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with that is that he may be waiting until any team can sign him.

He had been be looking to revisit a contract extension midseason if he doesn’t want everyone else making offers, too.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 17, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

My thought was

sign him to a 1-yr deal and by mid-season, decide if he’s worth offering an extension.

If Marcum pulls a Cordero and gets mad about not being extended before the season starts, then let him walk after 2012.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why are they different options?

Why can’t the team retool to make another playoff run AND get a new scouting director?

And there’s no way they bring back Yuni for $6M to be a backup.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

They can definitely do both

I was just pointing out my concerns going forward. I think we need to start drafting better because development is key to long term success in this market. As for Yuni I wouldnt be surprised if he is brought back as the starter.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be completely surprised if Yuni is brought back as the starter next season

especially with that $6M option.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

He better not be

But if he is, he’ll be bought out then offered a contract I would think.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 17, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 17, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

So, Hart to 1B and an outfield of Braun, Gomez and Morgan

with Rollins and/or Furcal (although he now has the Cardinal taint) at SS?

Whee off-season!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Against Rollins signing

he is looking for a 4 or 5 year deal which would not be smart given his declining skills. Clint Barmes would be a nice signing for maybe 2 yrs 8 mil total since he is a real good glove with a decent bat for the position.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brewers should definitely pursue Rollins, though.

I would sign him for three years, and it might be possible if other teams don’t offer him 4 or 5, which might happen.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 17, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rollins

isnt he like 34 yrs old? I would prefer to save the money and sign a guy like Barmes who wont cost much and can probably be had for two years.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Rollins is like 32

Just like Clint Barmes. But only one of them has been an everyday SS for the last 5 years.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Oct 17, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rollins is 32

Same age as Barmes.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rollins

has been injured a good amount the last few years so signing him would be a risk. If we could get him for 3 yrs 30 million I would consider it but the bidding is likely to be much higher. For those of you who would like to sign him what would be your financial committment and how many years would you give him.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would give him three years.

I think $30MM is around my high end, as well. I don’t know how much bidding will actually go on him, but it won’t hurt to throw the proverbial hat into the ring and see where it’s at.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 17, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't

He’s on a strong offensive decline, has been plagued by injuries, and was mediocre/average at SS this year.

by nullacct on Oct 17, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right about the injuries

but he’s offense this year has been better than his past couple seasons. Mediocre/average defense at SS would be a big upgrade over what we had this year.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's over three years

Rollins had an fWAR of 3.8 this season. He’s probably still good for 2.5-3.0 over the next few seasons. I think that’s probably worth $10M/yr.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 18, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh.

He’s been under 3.0 fWAR once in the last seven years and that was in an injury shortened 2010 season. Prorated over a full season, his fWAR in 2010 would have been 5.0. He was worth 3.8 last year. I don’t think his decline will be all that bad, personally.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 17, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the spirit!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking 3 yrs/$25M

but you may be right about the bidding pushing it up.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, as you're familiar with the payroll spreadsheet

They can’t really afford to spend a whole lot more than $10MM this year on free agents. Also, in 2013, there is $40.33MM committed to Braun, Gallardo, Hart, Weeks, and Wolf’s buyout. So, you don’t have that much wiggle room.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the rationale behind that?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If anything, they might toll it back a small amount in anticipation of lower expectations.

They’ll keep the little extra room in case of a midseason deal if they are competing.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 17, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking they'd keep it pretty much flush with this year

and maybe go up to $90MM. But I really don’t see them going up. At most I see it starting at $90MM next year.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just under $83.6MM

Franchise high point was 2010 at $90.4MM

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah yes. I could have checked Cot's, I guess.

I agree with you here.Maybe they get up to like 91-92, depending on the moves they make, but idk. I could also see them go with a high payroll to begin the year with the intention of unloading Marcum midseason if they’re not in contention.

by tcyoung on Oct 17, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Makes sense to me

I think they ended the year around $95MM in 2008 with the trades mid-season.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is sort of a propos of nothing, I guess

or at least unrelated to your comments.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

After such a good season, record ticket sales, etc.

I bet they bump it a bit.

Mark A is a money spender, you have no concept.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 18, 2011 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that has very little to do with it

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 18, 2011 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

If the team is losing money when the payroll is at $90MM.

Player payroll isn’t the only expense a baseball team has.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 18, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt Rollins

That has bad deal written all over it.

by rondoman78 on Oct 17, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see by your reasoned and well-thought-out argument, that you have a point.

Wait. None of those things.

Huh.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

How much did not locking up the division until the end of the month hurt the Brewers?

It would have been nice to give Marcum and other starters some days off in September but we couldnt because we could not seal the deal. Not that just missing a start of two would have saved Marcum but it could not have hurt

"It's a joke. It's all a joke.

by WSB Chris on Oct 17, 2011 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Bah

We all know the real culprit in all this… the Braves.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 17, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was Furcal.

If he hadn’t made that ridiculous over the shoulder catch in MP (the game we ended up losing in extras) the Cards fall 1 game short… which would have been sweet.

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 17, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, had they lost that game

and everything else stayed the same, they would have tied the Braves for the WC slot, and played a 163rd game, in St. Louis.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 17, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shhhh

Don’t ruin the narrative with your pesky facts!

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 17, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah! Geez man. Layoff with al the accuracy!

Fine… there’s probably another game that we lost to them that we shouldn’t have… I just can’t think of a good example right now…. at least not one in the regular season.

….Kotsay you son of a…

I have no concept.

by menchkins on Oct 18, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sickels top 20:

Underscores the problem. The system isn’t bankrupt, but we had the 3rd best offense in the NL playoffs this year. With Fielder on the way out the door, it starts to become difficult to imagine how this group of players will score runs on a consistent basis in 2012, and there’s no offensive help in the system. We’ve gone from an organization that couldn’t produce a pitching prospect to one that doesn’t have an impact bat in the system.

And we don’t have the defense (and won’t have it in 2012 either) to win the way the Giants did, even if Marcum regains his old form and Greinke parties like it’s 2009.

Yeah, I’m worried…

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 17, 2011 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Top 20 prospects

I think the big problem is that the organization overcompensated for the fact that we had no pitching prospects. Melvin heard the criticism and overdid it in regards to drafting pitching. Instead of drafting the best players available it appears as if Melvin has taken the strategy of picking almost all pitchers with the hope that some will pan out.

As of now this organization doesnt have one star position player prospects and only a few that even have the chance to be even average everyday players. It is also my opinion that we have focused way too much on the low ceiling/high floor draft picks instead of taking more chances on the players with star potential. That is why we have an organization that has a few pitchers with a chance to be good but not great and positional prospects with low ceilings.

As I said earlier we have lost many of our top scouts since Jack Z left; I believe Houston and Arizona hired our guys to head up their scouting departments and Z also took a few guys as well. It is possible that our entire scouting department is just not as good as when Z was in charge. I also believe that the focus of ownership on down has been exclusively on winning today and as a result we have ignored the long term health of the organization.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do you know he didn't pick the best available talent and it happened to be pitchers?

Besides, Minor league star pitchers make good trading chips. Why worry?

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 17, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

No bats is an issue

Our minor league system doesnt have one sure fire star in it and we have virtually no bats at all. I think the pitching depth has improved even though I am not high on Jungmann at all but overall we have very little impact talent on the farm.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, but you're acting like Melvin isn't allowed to make trades.

And what happened to your love affair with Green? Now you’re saying he has no bat?

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 17, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Green

and certainly think he can be a good player but he is certainly not a star prospect. I definitely think he is better than McGehee but then again who isnt.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

TINSTAAPP

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 17, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

There has to be a team out there that believes in them.

Like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. We can take advantage of their naivete.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 17, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Houston

Ed Wade has to be the stupidest person in baseball.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Oct 17, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love for Gamel to hit it big at the major league level...

… but do you really have faith in that possibility anymore? At least in this organization?

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 17, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I probably should have.

But I wasn’t as familiar with bklynbrewcrew as you were. Anyway, mostly I was just hoping someone still had hope for Gamel in a Brewers uni.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 17, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, I hear ya

I don’t think anyone really does, I wouldn’t mind him as a bench bat if he could play a respectable corner OF.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 17, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still have hope in Gamel.

I still want him starting at first next year. I just have no faith in the current Brewers regime actually playing him.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 17, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same here

but agreed

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 17, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd play him for sure

Wait until he gets his first hot streak, then trade him.

by nullacct on Oct 18, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

How dare you

use my own words against me. I do think that Gamel can be really good but I dont think this organization thinks the same way and would be shocked if he ever gets the chance with the Brewers.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow just wow

you really are making me look bad and I cant stop laughing. As much as I like Green he isnt considered to be a star prospect and if Roenicke is managing the team he may never get a chance either.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on now

Boggs is better than Kotsay potentially but I never said he was an everyday player.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

You needed a drink you were so nervous about losing Khris Davis in a trade. He must be OK then?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 17, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Davis

struggled big time after being promoted to AA so my opinion has changed. Kudos to you for digging up my old posts.

by bklynbrewcrew on Oct 17, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Silly Haundricourt

Lucroy also hit a home run on September 28th, the last game of the season.

What a nice young man that Jonathan must be.

by Tick on Oct 17, 2011 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Sucks man.

Marcum.

Takashi Saito is money.

It was an incredible ride, lots of frayed nerves for a couple of weeks

by Wade V on Oct 17, 2011 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Man...I am a still really sad.

Losing I can deal with, but booting the ball around the field and getting blown out in the last two games really sucks.

by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Oct 17, 2011 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I have too much time now...

I’m going to go crazy. I forgot how much time I have when I don’t have to work on Prognostikeggers so much.

Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector

by -JP- on Oct 17, 2011 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I still think the Cardinals need to leave the squirrels alone...

They should not be a gimmick. A different t-shirt would be much better! The squirrels have a suggestion for an alternative, and I will post it below

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.

by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 18, 2011 12:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Here:

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.

by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 18, 2011 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

OH NOES

Roger Clemens just tried to ingest that shirt.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 18, 2011 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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Img_0065_small Eric Ely