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Here's a picture of Prince Fielder taken last December. I'd say it's safe to say he's put some weight back on since then.

Some things to read while cleaning out your locker.

For me, at least, the offseason started yesterday. As such, it's time to start looking ahead: MLB Daily Dish has some suggestions for how the Brewers can avoid the "mid-market peak." Off The Bench also says the 2012 Brewers shouldn't be counted out.

In a related note: Bodog has released odds on Prince Fielder's eventual free agent landing spot, with the Cubs the current favorite at 3/1 and the Brewers sixth at 11/2. Babes Love Baseball has a look at his pending decision, while Tyler Lockman wonders why Miami isn't being considered as a serious candidate. In a related note to this related note, Fielder is the overwhelming favorite to receive Dayn Perry's latest nickname: "Good, Round Friend."

Assuming Fielder doesn't return, where does that leave the Brewers? Eno Sarris of FanGraphs has a look at how other teams have responded to losing a player of his caliber.

Elsewhere in unusually-shaped major leaguers, Frankie De La Cruz will most likely return to the Brewers in 2012. Seedlings to Stars used the Pitch f/x data from FDLC's first extended major league action in 2011 to get a good look at his stuff.

While I (and presumably many of you) start to look ahead, there's still time for others to take one last look back. Howie Magner has his final thoughts on the 2011 season, as does Call To The Pen. Miller Park Drunk still doesn't seem to be taking it well.

Ron Roenicke talked to WTMJ yesterday morning, telling Jay Sorgi the Brewers "didn't play as well as we would have liked to" in the NLCS. UW-La Crosse economics professor Michael Haupert makes the case in the Washington Post for Ron Roenicke to be considered baseball's best manager.

Putting it this way makes it seem so far away: John and Cait note that the countdown to Opening Day 2012 is at 169 days. I prefer to look at it as roughly 125 days until pitchers and catchers report to Maryvale.

In the minors:

  • Dan Szymborski of Baseball Think Factory has released his 2011 zMLE's, an attempt to translate hitters' minor league performances last season into a major league equivalent. Carson Cistulli of FanGraphs noted that Taylor Green had baseball's second best zMLE.
  • It was a relatively quiet day for Brewers in the AFL yesterday, but Erick Almonte went 2-for-5 with a double and scored two runs in Gigantes' 5-3 win over Escogido in the Dominican Republic. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
  • Elsewhere in the AFL, The Outside Corner has scouting reports for Kentrail Davis, Logan Schafer, Scooter Gennett, Cody Scarpetta, Tyler Thornburg and several of their teammates on the Peoria Javelinas.
  • Baseball America has a report card for the Brewers' 2011 draft, but it's subscriber-only.

Here's a cool, somewhat under publicized note: The Brewers donated 150 saplings to be planted along the Hank Aaron State Trail this season. Many have been planted this fall, with others due to be added next spring.

If you haven't yet, please take a moment today to vote in our BCB Tracking Poll dealing with the Brewer coaching staff and front office. The poll will remain open through the day today and results will be posted tomorrow.

Around baseball:

Indians: Outrighted outfielder Jerad Head and pitcher Mitch Talbot off the 40 man roster. Both players will be free agents.
Nationals: Returned Rule 5 pick Elvin Ramirez to the Mets.
Phillies
: Outrighted outfielder Brandon Moss and infielder Pete Orr off the 40 man roster. They'll both be free agents.

The World Series opens tonight, but if you haven't picked a favorite yet you're not alone: Ryan Braun told Adam McCalvy he's not rooting for either team in the Fall Classic. Personally, I'd just like a quick series so the offseason can officially get going.

What does the Brewers' 2011 success mean for other small market teams? Sam Mellinger of the Kansas City Star says the Brewers (and Cardinals) have provided a template the Royals can follow to success.

Today in former Brewers:

It seems unlikely to be included in the new CBA, but several US Senators are making a push for MLB to ban the use of smokeless tobacco on the field. It's rare to see a camera shot into the Brewer dugout where you can't spot at least one guy with an obvious wad of chew in his mouth.

Here's something to get your brain going this morning: Sporcle wants you to name the 100 players who have reached 200 hits in a season since 1989. I limited myself to five minutes and was able to name 64. (h/t Lone Star Ball) By the way, the Thursday Thinker will likely resume tomorrow.

If you're looking for something else to do until then, Teenage Mutant Ninja Noses is good for a laugh.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to explain the definition of "first pitch."

Drink up.

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glad i didn't go to lacrosse

that article was stupid. i’m happy to elaborate, if anyone thinks more commentary is needed.

by Capt Science on Oct 19, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Like this?
First of all, the Brewers won 96 games, capturing the central division crown and securing home field advantage in the first round of the playoffs. It’s hard to ask for more than that. Consider that Roenicke, in his first year at the helm, accomplished this with a lineup that was largely unchanged from the same team that won only 77 games the previous year.

Except for, you know, a 4.0 WAR CF and two new SP who gave over 6.0 WAR. But totally the same team.

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
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by GoGregGo on Oct 19, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even so

That means that Morgan and Betancourt were new, and Lucroy played a full season rather than a half season. Basically 2.5 out of 8 were different, I wouldn’t call that “largely unchanged”, but that’s getting more into semantics.

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
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by GoGregGo on Oct 19, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, but that's also a problem

The team won only 77 games last season… and the team won 96 games this season.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 19, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, technically it will be "The Brewers declined the option on SS Yuniesky Betancourt", but yeah, I'm with you.

And, a couple of extra commas, because, you know, they’re awesome.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 19, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody?

If Reyes leave, you know the Mets will be tempted to pick him up.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 19, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes that's more accurate.

Thank you kindly, sir.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 19, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would just sum that up as:

“The Brewers paid Yuniesky Betancourt to get away from them.”

by junyer_mint on Oct 19, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

If there is odds on Prince signing with different teams,

then there must be odds on the cone winning a starting job.

by 5toolz on Oct 19, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pan of Lasagna

Got claimed off Waivers by Boston, and was involved in the “fried chicken incident.”

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 19, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHEN WILL BOSTON LEARN

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on Oct 19, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

btw

Now that Fielder isn’t a Brewer, are fat jokes mean-spirited instead of friendly jabs?

by ecocd on Oct 19, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fact they are mean spirited doesn't make them any less funny.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Oct 19, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Friendly jabs.

Otherwise it would be Cardinocriticle. Believe me, I thought about this as I typed the joke. If you made a fat joke about him while he was on the team, he’s fair game when he’s gone.

by tcyoung on Oct 19, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is what I hope

They decline the option and then sign him to a minor league deal so they can cut him again. Getting rid of him once just isn’t enough after the season of suck he committed.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Oct 19, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

But he was great in the playoffs!

And, when I last looked, was #17 shortstop in our system…

"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool

by MrLeam on Oct 19, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

McCalvy should have asked Braun

If he’s rooting AGAINST either team in the WS. I know I am.

My mantra from here on: Schadenfreude is still a kind of Freude.

by Brew Angel on Oct 19, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Wait a minute
but several US Senators are making a push for MLB to ban the use of smokeless tobacco on the field.

First they take steroids, and now THIS?

I don’t even like baseball anymore.

I got goons.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 19, 2011 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Breaking:

US Government to ban smiling on ballfield; Nyjer Morgan detained, placed in solitary

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 19, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

FCC

Also brought him in for questioning.

"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until it stops rolling and then pick it up." ~Bob Uecker

by ASerd87 on Oct 19, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't necessarily think government should get involved

But how could you possibly think steroids and tobacco in baseball are good things?

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Oct 19, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Someone’s gotta talk Miller Park Drunk off the ledge.

by Tristram28 on Oct 19, 2011 12:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

83

on the sporcle

because I’m awesome at useless baseball trivia.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Oct 19, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

@Haudricourt
Melvin: “I thought Yuni Betancourt was better than what the critics said.”

Bad Doug! Bad!

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 19, 2011 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

More
Melvin wouldn’t say if he plans to pick up $6 million option on SS Yuniesky Betancourt. “We’re not here to make those decisions today.”

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 19, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

It seems like Doug could not handle one full season of my approval.

Well, it may be a bit early to say that, but he’s making me nervous.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 19, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

"We’re not here to make those decisions today."

“We’re saving it for a point when we’re really down – like, say, if Prince Fielder signs with the Cubs – and then we’ll bring in Yuni and fire his ass to lighten the mood a little.”

by nullacct on Oct 19, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Corey Hart won't be moving to first base, per TH
Melvin said moving Corey Hart to first base is not an option he’d consider.

I think I’ll fanshot this one.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 19, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not good but I wouldn't read too much into it at this point

He doesn’t gain anything by going out there and saying “He sucked SO bad this year, guys. Come on!”

It’s a pretty vague statement. Hopefully nothing more.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 19, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha! Well, I won't argue with that

But how likely is it honestly that he’s going to say something bad about him publicly even if he wants him off the team as badly as we do?

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 19, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

At the very least, there's no reason to defend Yuni.

He could say “We are evaluating the shortstop position and reviewing Betancourt’s option”. He doesn’t need to give Betancourt any credit.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 19, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

You and I want the same thing here, trust me

I would love it if he said he was a disappointment and gave some assurances that he won’t be back with the Brewers next year.

But, depending upon his tone of voice, I don’t know that it’s a hugely positive thing that he said, either. I think it’s an intentionally vague and meaningless answer to a question. Until he’s got a new shortstop there is no reason to trash the last one.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 19, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not necessarily

There were critics who said that Yuni was worse than a pan of lasagna.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 19, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well he wasn't the worst SS in baseball this year so Melvin is technically correct.

Terribly misguided but correct.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Oct 19, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy shit.

@todd_rosiak:

Melvin bullish on #Brewers’ minor-league system. “Lucroy, Escobar never on the top prospect lists.”

Escobar was the Brewers top prospect. He was, what, top 20 in the MLB at one point? And Lucroy was top ten, too, if I recall correctly.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 19, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Both were definitely near the top in the organization at some point. Not sure about MLB.

I see the magma beneath Mt. Noah is starting to build pressure and get ready for an eruption…

Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector

by -JP- on Oct 19, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".

by Yar Nivek on Oct 19, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are on the warpath today.

Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector

by -JP- on Oct 19, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

We do this every winter.

We get worked up over something Melvin said, even though he’s given us plenty of opportunities in the past to see that what he says publicly may or may not have anything to do with his actual line of thinking.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 19, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

This should be posted at the top of the blog

Haven’t we learned by this point not to get worked up over what DM says publicly?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 20, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's just giving lip-service here

Trying to make fans feel good about the future, smoke and mirrors, there’s nothing to see there, all is well, etc.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 19, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's still an outright lie.

He could say things like John Axford was never a top prospect and that would work a lot betetr.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 19, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree

It really irritates me. But, like Kyle said, it seems like every year he says some ridiculous things, and someone gets irritated about it, and then someone else comes here and starts stumping around saying “well, you think its his responsibility to tell you the truth and keep you informed blah blah blah”. I mean, I’m with you 100% here. But someone is bound to show up and make a big deal about ‘how dare you insist that he tell you the truth!’

I’ve been on the ’I’d like for him to be honest’ side before, and I can’t ever seem to get anyone on the other side to understand why it would be nice.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 19, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i disagree

i don’t think top brewers prospects matters much. it’s not like you can call tampa and say “i’ll give you our top 4 prospects for your top 3 prospects” because that’s an inappropriate comparison. i only think top mlb prospects matter.

in which case, he was mistaken on alcides, but correct on lucroy.

but at the end of the day, he’s not going to say the sky is falling.

by Capt Science on Oct 19, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Prince picture

is stunning.

I remember seeing those pics in the offseason and being so excited he had slimmed down, but didn’t realize how far he fell away from that til I just saw the pic again.

by Nicole Haase on Oct 19, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I was always kind of under the impression Prince was wearing one of those slimming t-shirts.

There was just something that didn’t look right. At certain points in the season, too, it looked like he’d suddenly dropped the weigh on certain days.

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.

by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 19, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Random Question here

Is there going to be a poll for who the MVP of the NLCS for the Brewers was? Or, is that too painful to consider?

Contributor on Brew Crew Ball, Commissioner of Prognostikeggers, Owner of a broken sarcasm detector

by -JP- on Oct 19, 2011 6:00 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I've been meaning to do one last BotW

But other stuff keeps coming up. I’ll get to it.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 19, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

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