World Series Game 7 Open Thread
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 28, 2011 7:00 PM CDT
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PrintIt's taken a month to get here, but all of October comes down to one game tonight: Chris Carpenter (starting on short rest) and the Cardinals face Matt Harrison and the Rangers tonight with the World Series on the line.
There should be plenty of excitement to discuss in the comments, but first take our final World Series poll.
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I am head-shaved and beard-shaved
Let’s go break my jinx!
His jiggling is almost hypnotic.
by Morbidly-Obese, Right-Handed Jamie Moyer on Oct 28, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
It would have been the best game, if they hadn't found that footage of the Pirates/Yankees WS!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 7:05 PM CDT reply actions
Re: the poll
It really might have been, had the Rangers won.
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 28, 2011 7:05 PM CDT reply actions
Agree 100%
Will settle for this being the best Game 7 of all time.
If Marcum had that velocity, I'll bet things would've been different
What was the point in saying the obvious? I’m not sure… but I’m posting this!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Now this is Marcum!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Three thoughts:
1) I approve of scoring runs off Carpenter, at any time, but particularly in the 1st inning.
2) Shiraz is delicious, especially the 2nd bottle.
3) I’m warm.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 28, 2011 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
I have a problem with the poll
By checking the bear option, I have to admit it was a good World Series. I’m not prepared to admit that.
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By the way, it's only good if Texas wins.
If St. Louis wins, worst World Series ever.
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Also, I'll save you the joke opportunity and just post the obvious picture with this statement.
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by -JP- on Oct 28, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I see you gave me three minutes to show up.
I did not. This is acceptable. But remember…I’m #1 on the West Side…STAY OFF THE WEST SIDE.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
With all the hoopla about "greatest baseball game ever",
this morning I felt like Mugatu in Zoolander. “I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!”
Impressive game? Yes.
Impressive comeback? Yes.
Do things like that happen all the time? More often than you’d think. The Brewers had a similar comeback against the Rockies this year, and that one even went, what, 14 innings? (even greater!)
And yes, I realize it’s the postseason, not the regular season, and it’s an elimination game for the Cards. But I still wouldn’t put Freese ahead of either Joe Carter OR Mazeroski, people who, you know, actually WON a World Series with a walkoff HR.
by MisterInformative on Oct 28, 2011 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe Bill Hall
is the focus of a commercial about a guy playing a video game and using Google to win a million dollars.
by jkoper on Oct 28, 2011 7:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Bill Hall will ever be forgotten for his mediocre at-bats..
If it’s possible to have at bats that are mediocre…
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
"Mr. Kerry... The school could use some upgrades for the brass instruments."
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on
It only looks like he would’ve been out because he started moving the glove down before the ball got there.
I think Harrison would have been better off throwing the same pitch a 3rd time.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 7:45 PM CDT reply actions
I hope Doug and Gord are watching the Texas infield.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 7:46 PM CDT reply actions
Think they'll swap it straight up for ours?
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 28, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
they are designing robots after the infield with advanced Canadian equipment!
-minus Michael Young!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not someone who usually thinks about the things my friends do...
example: I have some friends from Chicago who kept asking “how can you think Theriot isn’t good-looking.”
And I said “Sorry, he just isn’t.”
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 8:00 PM CDT reply actions
Nice pitch after the 1-1!
Has anyone noticed the lack of changeups in this series? I don’t think Duncan likes them. I’m not sure about Maddux, but I know he and Dave Bush argued about it, once, because they were leaving the yard.
Sometimes changeups look like they are forced, and the tempo sort of changes. The Brewers aren’t as adamant about having starters throw them as much, probably starting in the 2011 season.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 28, 2011 8:03 PM CDT reply actions
Good Lord, please win Texas.
by Zack Greinke's Paxil on Oct 28, 2011 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think we all want that.
…and if someone here doesn’t want that, they won’t speak up.
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This is not the time to forget how to pitch.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 8:54 PM CDT reply actions
You are kidding me...
almost the exact same spot. LOL
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 8:55 PM CDT reply actions
Strike 3 gets called Ball 4
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
SIR!
I disagree with your judgment of the location of that pitch!
That was a beautiful pitch and it was punished.
"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."- Rogers Hornsby
You know, it's a good thing there's going to be a 4 month break before pitchers and catchers report...
… so I actually have a shot at forgetting how much I’ve basically hated baseball the last 3 weeks. I sick and tired of seeing calls consistently going the way of the Cardinals. I know there have been exceptions, but christ, how lucky can one team get?
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 28, 2011 8:57 PM CDT reply actions
this whole postseason has been littered with inconstant zones it seems.
not just with the cards.
Yuni'd.
There's only been one really bad call (the one at first base a couple of games ago)
It’s just the cumulative effect of little call after little call. I’m sure we have selective memories, but it does seem as though the Cardinals are on an insane run of umpiring goodwill over the past couple of weeks.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really.
Look at the BrooksBaseball chart above – it was a blown call, but it was at least close.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That is not close imo.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the zone from the whole game
There have been four pitches that were further inside the zone than that one, and yet were called balls.
All of those calls have gone against the Rangers – this is a game-changingly horrid strike zone, and the Cards are going to owe this guy a World Series title share. But the pitch in question was actually a pretty close one.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, there is nothing you will be able to do to convince me that...
But the pitch in question was actually a pretty close one.
Just agree to disagree.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You may have a point, actually
If you look at their strike zone map with typical zones for LHHs and RHHs (I’ll just link to it, because I can’t display it large enough to see here), the pitch was well within the typical RHH zone. The map makes a few of those pro-Cardinals strike calls look more reasonable, but it makes that particular call look awful.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is my analysis.
The pitch before that was called a strike. Pretty close to the same spot. This one appeared to be just a tad lower, and just a bit one the corner. I rarely see an umpire reward one pitch, then not the next pitch right after on a 3-2 count. You will see them not reward it on players testing the corner as they keep getting more and more outside the zone to see where they can get extra.
I don’t know, just a weird call. Rangers didn’t do themselves any favors by compounding it.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Close objectively.
But the umps been calling a wide zone a lot tonight which makes it even worse.
Yuni'd.
Given the magnitude of the pitch
And the fact that that spot shows the center of the ball, while a ball six inches more outside still would’ve caught the strike zone, that is just a terrible, terrible call.
I'm calling it right now.
This season was all an MLB conspiracy so MLB could kiss Pujols’ [censored].
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And another bad call causes a Rangers collapse, turning a compelling game 7 into an unwatchable parody of a beautiful sport.
I’m not watching the rest of this shit. So long baseball.
See you in April.
Probably.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 28, 2011 9:01 PM CDT reply actions
Who am I kidding...
… if I stuck it out through 20 years of economically fixed games, 3 weeks of pro-Cardinal calls isn’t going to drive me away.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 28, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Cardinals occupy the top 100 spots in my "teams/players I hate most" list
Other teams/players start coming in around 101.
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Another way to look at it
Refer to the following picture:
In this example, the earth represents a diagram of teams/players I hate, with hatred increased approaching the cneter. Cardinals occupy the mantle, outer core, and inner core. Every other team/player I hate occupies the crust.
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Days like today are days that I wish I liked beer
Just so I could say that days like today are the reason that I drink.
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so... just in case anyone wanted to know this
Pujols is now the most plunked batter in world series history with 4 career World Series HBPs. He’s also the only player in post season history to reach base on a plunk, and then be driven in on an RBI plunk. Furcal joins Bill Robinson from the 1979 Pirates as the only players to have an RBI plunk in world series game 7. The only other players with RBI plunks in the World Series are Kirk Gibson, Darren Daulton, Earle Combs and George Pipgras.
Let's go Rangers!
Who’s got some rally pictures? Or some rally new umpires?
Rangers come on, do the scoring run thing!
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
blech
this sucks
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 28, 2011 9:32 PM CDT reply actions
goddamn the Cardinals have Wainwright coming back next year too? good grief
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 28, 2011 9:35 PM CDT reply actions
Scary, I know
But they also have some serious regression coming for Jon Jay, Allen Craig, and (to a lesser extent) David Freese.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
and probably Lance Berkman too?
I just hate St. Louis and I hate that they are winning the World Series and did so without their best pitcher haha
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 28, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Berkman's BABIP and HR/FB were both around his career average
His line-drive rate was actually the highest it’s been in six years. If he tails off next year, it’ll be age, not regression.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
no doubt he re-signs with St. Louis
the Cards aren’t gonna let him walk after winning the World Series
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 28, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh, it could happen if he gets more money elsewhere.
The Cardinals do have a decent chunk of change to spend, though.
Let's just hope they go for something like 10 years/$300M
So it cripples their payroll for the forseeable future.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
FU Joe Buck...
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 9:43 PM CDT reply actions
New zone for the World Series.
He is doing it right.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
On the list of "Worst possible outcomes to the 2011 Playoffs"
I have to rate “Cardinals beat the Brewers in the NLCS then beat the Rangers to win it all” just behind “Cardinals beat the Brewers in the NLCS then beat the Yankees to win it all.”
The point is, this sucks.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
OK, we've reached 97.7% win probability for the Cardinals.
This beats the 93.9% win probability the Rangers maxed out at last night. The Cardinals can now suffer a more crushing defeat than the Rangers did. Let the comeback begin.
by jkoper on Oct 28, 2011 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This man is about to become
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 28, 2011 9:54 PM CDT reply actions
I feel pretty similarly about all the winter leagues, honestly.
They’re nice workouts for the players, I’m sure, but I don’t think that you can really take much from the results
by Noah Jarosh on Oct 28, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Where was the strike call earlier? :P
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 10:14 PM CDT reply actions
OK, we're at 99.5%.
Time to stop playing around.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Booooooooooo!
I can’t believe this shit.
by funnytrain on Oct 28, 2011 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
goddamnmotherfuckingshitasscocksuckingmonkeytaint!!!
by onbeer8 on Oct 28, 2011 10:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
goddamnmotherfuckingshitasscocksuckingmonkeytaint!!!
by onbeer8 on Oct 28, 2011 10:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
the baseball gods hate Milwaukee and all their fans
tough ending to the 2011 season
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 28, 2011 10:23 PM CDT reply actions
well
Small consolation, but if you’re going to get knocked out of the playoffs at least it was by the eventual world champion.
There's always that thought whenever your team goes out in a tournament.
Screw that. I want my vicarious revenge.
by jkoper on Oct 28, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Back in the 2007 NFL Playoffs, after the Giants beat the Packers, I wanted to see the Patriots finish their undefeated season and destroy the Giants.
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Normally that's the way I react too...
… but the Patriots are a special case. I still rooted for the Giants.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 29, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
^ive always been of this POV too.
Screw the Red Sox to hell forever
by jealousblues on Oct 29, 2011 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm blaming Nyjer Morgan and his taunting tweets to the Cardinals.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Oct 28, 2011 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
If a meteor fell on busch stadium, and everyone inside was an asshole
would anyone give a shit?
Packers? Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks? Taking care of business as usual.
Brewers, Badgers? THIS IS WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.
Sometimes you've just got to tip your caps
I don’t care for the Cards on a personal level, but they just played four weeks (and really, two months) of absolutely incredible baseball.
Everything starts fresh next year, and we get the first crack at the defending champs. Can’t wait.
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2011 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
They certainly learned to take advantage of the breaks when they got them, including an incredible run of bad calls that went in their favor.
Not every team does that.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 28, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Discussing this point is obviously pretty silly
But I think the breaks and bad calls were probably about 5% of the reason the Cardinals won, at most. About 80% was them absolutely raking the ball up and down their lineup in a way I haven’t seen in quite a while. (The other 15% was a hodgepodge of the bullpen coming together, Chris Carpenter, and their opponents completely crapping themselves.)
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 28, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing.
But they got some shit calls that went their way in the playoffs. They just did. That increased the degree of difficulty in beating them when they were playing very well. I don’t disagree that the Rangers reacted to the bad calls poorly. That doesn’t mean the bad calls didn’t happen. If my mentioning them makes you uncomfortable, well with all due respect, I really don’t care.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 28, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also this is going to make tickets for opening day more expensive
I’m still going to go, but it’s unbelievable the amount of bad things that are coming out of this for me.
If only the Braves hadn't choked in the regular season
Jeez this is surreal. God this going to be a tough offseason.
It won't be so bad when Pujols and the Cards don't see eye to eye
About his value going up $50MM as a result of the WS victory
Ok, hearing TLR talk is kind of making me sick
Ask a real question like “does this victory absolve you of being a lush and endangering motorists with your poor judgment?”
by nullacct on Oct 28, 2011 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He started drinking already.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe larussa gets another dui tonight
by onbeer8 on Oct 28, 2011 10:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I have to give credit to the Cardinals...I didn't even think they would be real contenders at the beginning of the season.
I’m still insanely pissed off about their victory, though.
The Packers killed the Rams though. So, really, which state ended up winning in the long run?
(weeps)
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the sun. Master of karate & friendship for everyone.
Wait 'til next year bitches
"It felt great," he said. "It really did. I wanted to go back out there for the eighth. It's good to be a part of it."-Axford
You mean next year, when the media is going to declare a Phillies-Cardinals NLCS before the season even starts?
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
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Don't think it's not going to happen.
Once Pujols has signed back with the Cardinals and Wainwright is healthy, the media will declare the season pointless and say the two teams will play in the NLCS.
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But next year there will be an extra wild card~!
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
So, I can't go to any sports websites for the rest of the weekend.
This weekend is going to be horrible.
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In exchange for this, I just want to see at least one of three things happen within this sports year:
1. The Packers go 19-0. I know, maybe I should somehow set my sights higher.
2. The Badgers win the rest of their games, somehow backdoor their way into the national championship, and win it.
3. The Badgers win the basketball championship, and Jordan Taylor is player of the year.
Sports gods, we have suffered deeply. Please have mercy on us. In the name of Counsell, amen.
I don't care about any other sports.
For some of us, there is no solace to be had.
by Acheron on Oct 28, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed...hot stove is all i have now
by onbeer8 on Oct 28, 2011 11:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
For as small of a window as Wisconsin sports are allowed to have
we have had far too many let downs already. Someone somewhere owes us.
Packers? Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks? Taking care of business as usual.
Brewers, Badgers? THIS IS WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.
Rays v Yankees
Game 162. Just crazy.
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
I don't see that anywhere on the docket.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 29, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
DId I have to pick something from the docket?
It was an incredible game.
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
Just more of a reference to your use of "v"
v. or vs. — Was making a dumb law joke ;/
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 29, 2011 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, there goes my long and balanced post...
where I was proud of how well I wrote it – - – no one would have accused me of being “in space on that one.” : )
But the site logged me out abruptly!
So, it was ‘offense…something something…offense.’ I’m just not really shocked they won it all.
They’re a legitimate contender, and we can be, too. Defense and bullpen ; pow! Winnarz in Milwaukee!
I’m disappointed in the way my account was suddenly logged-out, because I’m just going back to the way I normally write. Ugghhhh.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 2:41 AM CDT reply actions
In terms of "unfairness"...
It was really a slap in the face to watch St. Louis perform up to its level of talent near the end! Grrrrr…
Talent does not always translate into success, and we’ve seen this happen to the Cards many times. Albert’s comeback sure did not help matters. Next season, it wouldn’t be far-fetched to say they might have some bad luck, and maybe a flukey bullpen.
But the top offense in a league has a ~75% rate in a fall classic (I’m not positive; this may apply to all of the levels of playoff ‘lcs/’lds combined with the WS in the past 20 years, but I’m not sure because of the timing of the wild card a few years since there were a couple of years without it.
Hey – I’m tempted to say "Pythag. this/ Pythag. that, etc… but it reminds me of how often I hated this when Back to Cali brought this up!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions
we had a flukey bad pen this year up until the trading deadline
freaking awful
I think we blew something like 20 saves.
It was just terrible all around.
I think only two pitchers from the beginning of the year were on the roster in the pen at the end.
by jealousblues on Oct 29, 2011 3:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah- it was...
But I think it was designed in the playoffs to compensate for the innings (probably 5-6 starts?) Wainwright would have pitched. The Bullpen sort of equaled an extra ace, in a way.
The luck had more to do with players not performing/injuries (and the final dagger was probably Punto).
We were good in 1-run games. We’ll most likely have to function next season the same way, but it won’t be the same as what happened to the Giants! What a run they had, in 2010. All great pitching.
Things are kind of bittersweet right now. It’s frustrating that you guys put all of the talent together at the right time, and even worse that we have to wait a few months before ST starts!
*I’m thinking you had to be pretty impressed with Texas! They are going to be around for awhile, and losing back-to-back WS championships is not the big deal people are making it! Maybe you got a little bit lucky with the outcome – but they could have easily won last night! There are your GOB’s ! I’m not sure I’m going to be as nice during the season, but I’m thinking about a lot of other things, aside from the playoffs. Congrats.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah
I joined up at the Texas blog tonight (cant post til tomorrow)
to tell them congrats on a great season, even if it didnt end the way they wanted.
Their team was fantastic, classy tough players and nice fans.
by jealousblues on Oct 29, 2011 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah - I wouldn't go over there.
I haven’t really gone over since last winter, but they definitely deal with things their own way. They seem like good people, though. Just a lot of passion.
You guys/gals (at viva) tend to try really hard to be objective and good sports, and I think sometimes it can come off as insincere. If it seems like I’m insulting you, that’s not what I mean. It’s just, you know – - – kind of creepy to some people when other people come over and want to be nice
: )
plus, it’s not just you. It’s a universal thing. No one really should have gone to OTM after Boston lost that game… Whatever. Most of you guys mean well.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 4:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been so complacent, and miss talking about ballgames.
Sometimes, I just don’t care. I like to talk to people, I guess. It would be great if we didn’t have to wait so long for ST to start . . . there is always a risk I might talk to a lot of people from different teams until I click back into gear.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
There is also a risk that a squirrel will highjack your account and talk to lots of people from different teams.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
He's not really....
… trolling by any other name is still trolling…
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 29, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you, by chance, implying that I'm using another account?
Just wondering, because I don’t know why people would think that. As far as the squirrels go; it is beyond my control.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea what you're talking about.
That’s often the case (not a criticism), but in this instance I’m asuming you reply-failed, because I made no reference to you using another account, even in jest…
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 29, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Misunderstanding, then.
“… trolling by any other name is still trolling…”
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That was said in reply to cwolf, who was replying to and talking about jealousblues...
… who (in my opinion) is trolling here, and lamenting the 24 hour delay in his ability to troll the Rangers site, while claiming he just wants to congratulate their fans on a great season (the “any other name” is a shakespeare reference)…
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 29, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I classify people who go on a lot of sites under the name "drifters."
Really, I don’t have a problem talking to people if they mean well. Not everyone can call their own team site a perfect fit, and maybe are more comfortable, elsewhere.
Pegasus is also super nice.
I did get a chance to point out the reasons that other team threads are not always waiting to hear compliments or talk about baseball after the other team loses. I really don’t mind talking, though, as long is it’s the off-season.
Re; jealousblues – if there is anything he/she should get better at, it would be a bit more restraint. People don’t have to go out of their way and shower the fans on specific team pages. Hopefully – - – it’s habit I always fall into; trying a lot more than I need to really try when it comes to feeling welcom. JJ.blues and Pegasus are really, really hyper after the win, probably, and when a person is very happy, they socialize more. It’s the same as me going to a party after doing some productive work, and having a really easy time wanting to talk to everyone. Maybe it’s the type of person I am, and how I function.
So I’m okay with it – - there are so many different people, and some aren’t as attached or rooted in the fan site they belong to.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
What a travesty
The fucking Cardinals win the WS. Unbelievable.
Way to go, Texas. All you had to do was not blow 2 run leads in consecutive innings.
further proof that all a team has to do is get hot at the right time
just get into the playoffs, and a whole new season starts. NO ONE, not even the most shitbrained cards fan, could have seen this outcome at the onset of the playoffs.
Its just gonna make next year’s 88 win Brewer team winning the WS an even better story!
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
Texas was just as hot as us.
plus we started getting healthy, and the trades made a HUGE difference.
Its not like formerly crappy players started playing out of their heads for the most part.
They completely rebuilt the pen
and got one more legit starter
as well as a starting SS with good defense
also that you don't need to officially be the best team in the playoffs
you just have to be the better team against the team you are playing
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
Exactly - but it's interesting in a way, because two of the top offensive teams were playing against one another.
Game 6 had something to do with aliens (or Josh’s alien God : )
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions
it was a great post season
but I was a little disappointed by the starting pitching all around for the most part.
Ive never seen anything like it where the bullpen was used SO much
by jealousblues on Oct 29, 2011 4:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Next season, there are a few things that might happen - - -
Bullpen pitchers are sort of hot and cold by nature. Wainwright will be back, but you’ll still have to perform close to the talents of your team.
In a way, I think we’ve got a chance to scrape up a few extra wins and sneak by, but that will depend on our starters. I’m sort of okay with performing over our projected wins/runs scored/runs allowed, because that’s how we have to do things. But I definitely think we still deserved to be in the playoffs!
And you guys will deserve it, and any dips in performance and/or injuries would be pretty helpful for us. I’m jealous, still, a little bit. That must have been really fun for fans to not expect anything to happen, get into the playoffs and beat good teams/take advantage of our pitching. Grrrr…
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, honestly the pen is always a "who knows"
and you have to wonder how carp will be after pitching the post season and another year older.
plus you have to consider FA.
You guys obviously have a great team. Hope you keep your big guy (and us to)
by jealousblues on Oct 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
you know - - -
Doug Melvin says the Betancourt is better than what critics say! (blechhhh).
As far as keeping Prince, that’s nice of you to say that, and a lot of people really want us to buck the trend and have him for another couple of years.
But it’s not going to happen :(
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
clearly, but come on.
What team ever wins the world series with no one stepping up?
and its not like it was a million different guys doing that either.
how is Napoli a .500 hitter or whatever.
Freese is a very good player, its not like its Roger Cedeno owning Roger Clemens or something.
by jealousblues on Oct 29, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
"a starting SS with good defense"
Low blow dude. Low blow.
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
not aimed at you guys at all
just at starting the year with Theriot at ss
by jealousblues on Oct 29, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Theriot >>>> Yuni
Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".
No. no. no.
Talk to me after Yuni plays for your team. And as a Brewer fan, I really hope that happens
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
Okay, so this is out of character for me...
But it does not involve any cursing, so it’s fine.
I believe the NPB playoffs are on right now(?)
• Climax Series, First Stage: best of three series between the second place and third place finishers.
• Climax Series, Second Stage: best of seven series between the league champion (first place finisher) and the First Stage winner. The league champion is automatically credited with a one-win advantage.
• Japan Series: best of seven series between the Central League Climax Series winner and Pacific League Climax Series winner.
- Nonetheless, I’ve got to learn to lighten up around people, so I’m going to assume the Series name is very funny to other people.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 4:04 AM CDT reply actions
And this does not have anything to do with religious stuff.
I had just decided years ago to challange myself and try not to curse. But I don’t mind reading those words.
Offending people is a big fear of mine, though, so I’d rather be on the safe side.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Question;
Does the 5-day negotiation stage between free agents and current teams start tomorrow? That will be quite a roller-coaster. I can say I’m going to accept what happens with Prince all I want, but I don’t believe myself : (
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 4:31 AM CDT reply actions
The call in the 5th inning Strike 3/'Ball 4' was really a bad turning point for the Rangers and Feldman -
It had the same 7"12" break as the previous strike that was called (around the 0:47 mark in this video). I have not looked at other sequences throughout the game to see Napoli’s approach, but I do think the slight sideways turn of the head while he pulled the ball back into the strike zone would affect the call. On the 2nd called strike, where Molina thought he had been rewarded 1st base, Napoli did a better job selling it. The information on gameday with the 7/12 drop and break mirrors that of the pitch Molina thought he’d walked on.
This observation has already made it to several news sites, and yet I felt as though that wasn’t a tough break. It would have been really nice because it was a strike, but after reading the Fast article on Framing pitches at Hardball Times, i really pay attention to the way a catcher turns his head. It was a strike, but not really conveyed in a way that made it an easier call from the umpire.
(shrug) – oh, well. There is certainly a good amount of examples throughout the series where Texas had some horrible luck. This one just seemed like it wasn’t the most terrible call in the world.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 29, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions
um , no
for many reasons.
1 – the Sox win in ‘75 was legendary. Fisk’s homerun anyone?
2- The Cards won. Major suckfest. a Card’s win automatically disqualifies it as the best anything.
3- No Brewers involved. Again, disqualified as best ever.
Official list of good things about the Cards winning the World Series
1) It meant the Cubs didn’t win it
2) Err, that’s it…
"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool
by MrLeam on Oct 29, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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