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Some things to read while summing it up nicely.

The Brewers got the offseason started on the right foot yesterday, announcing they're declining their 2012 club options for Yuniesky Betancourt and Francisco Rodriguez (FanShot). The Brewers paid the two players $6 million to go away, but that certainly beats paying them a combined $23.5 million to be Brewers next season. Tom Haudricourt says the Mets, not the Brewers, are actually paying most of Rodriguez's buyout.

This might not be the end of the road for Yuni, but it's a step closer to it. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar wrote a eulogy for Betancourt's Brewer tenure, but Tom Haudricourt is still saying the organization could look to bring him back at a lower price. Meanwhile, Bay City Ball is predicting Betancourt will be the Giants' 2012 starting shortstop.

Betancourt and Rodriguez were among the eight Brewers to file for free agency yesterday (h/t MLBTR). The others were Craig Counsell, Prince Fielder, Jerry Hairston Jr, LaTroy Hawkins, Mark Kotsay and Takashi Saito (FanShot). The Brewers have five days to negotiate with these players before they hit the market, but Doug Melvin is currently in the Dominican Republic so it's unlikely any serious offers will be made.

Elsewhere in offseason renovations:

  • Brandon Berg of Chippewa.com has a look at the Brewers' options at first base, shortstop and third.
  • Clint Barmes is a name that's probably going to keep coming up. He's a Type B free agent, so the Astros would receive compensation if he leaves but the Brewers wouldn't have to give up their first round pick.

A lot was made of the Brewers' struggle to get production from the third base position this season, as Casey McGehee and the other hot corner custodians drove in just 67 runs in 2011. Larry Stone puts it in perspective, though: Mariners' third basemen only had 39 RBI all season.

Let's move on to today's Prince Fielder notes:

Meanwhile, the new collective bargaining agreement could hold some bad news for the Brewers and any other team losing a Type A or B free agent this winter: Jon Heyman is reporting that MLB is willing to give up free agent draft compensation if the union will agree to hard slotting for draft picks. If that happens, it could potentially cost the Brewers as many as four picks in 2012.

The potential loss of those compensation picks brings this prediction into question: Thomas Neumann of ESPN's Page 2 is picking the Brewers to win the World Series in 2020 (FanShot).

The mark the Brewers left on this postseason wasn't as big as many of us were hoping for, but at least they have this: Kevin Kaduk of Big League Stew listed Nyjer Morgan's walkoff NLDS winning single as October's tenth most memorable moment.

Last week I reported he didn't appear to be a serious candidate for the position, but apparently I was wrong: Tom Haudricourt says the Brewers have given the Red Sox permission to interview Dale Sveum for their managerial vacancy.

In the minors:

  • The AFL was off yesterday, but Michael Fiers pitched five scoreless innings en route to his first winter league win in Caracas' 5-0 victory over Magallanes in VWL play. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
  • Brewersprospects.com has a 2011 season recap for Scooter Gennett.
  • 2011 Wisconsin Timber Rattler Daniel Britt and Nashville Sound Martin Maldonado (mostly in Spanish) are the latest minor leaguers to show up on Twitter.

Award season continued over the weekend, as John Axford was honored as the Robert Goulet Memorial Mustached American of the Year on Friday night (FanShot). Meanwhile, Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, John Axford and Doug Melvin have been nominated for Greatness in Baseball Yearly (GIBBY) awards.

Elsewhere in awards: Zack Greinke current has the lead by about 20 votes in the race for the #5 spot on our Most Valuable Brewers list. Follow the link to cast your vote, if you haven't already. If you missed it on Friday, Yovani Gallardo won the #4 spot and was profiled here.

Around baseball:

Angels: Hired former Diamondbacks assistant Jerry DiPoto as their new GM.
Astros
: Claimed catcher Craig Tatum off waivers from the Orioles.
Braves: Declined outfielder Nate McLouth's 2012 club option.
Cardinals: Manager Tony La Russa has decided to retire (FanShot). The club also exercised catcher Yadier Molina's $7 million club option for 2012.
Cubs: Third baseman Aramis Ramirez has declined his half of his 2012 mutual option and will be a free agent, while pitcher Ryan Dempster has exercised his $14 million player option.
Giants: Exercised pitcher Jeremy Affeldt's $5 million club option for 2012 and signed reliever Javier Lopez to a two year, $8.5 million extension.
Indians: Exercised pitcher Fausto Carmona's $7 million club option for 2012 and declined outfielder Grady Sizemore's.
Nationals: Exercised manager Davey Johnson's club option for 2012.
Orioles: Pitcher Chris Jakubauskas has elected to become a free agent.
Padres: Hired Phil Palntier as their new hitting coach and announced that pitcher Aaron Harang has declined his player option and will be a free agent.
Red Sox: Exercised infielder Marco Scutaro's $6 million club option for 2012.
Rockies: Exercised their $1 million mutual option with 1B/PH Jason Giambi and declined pitcher Aaron Cook's club option.
Yankees: Exercised 2012 club options on second baseman Robinson Cano ($14 million) and 1B/OF Nick Swisher ($10.25 million) and signed GM Brian Cashman to a three year contract extension. Also, CC Sabathia has opted out of his contract and is now a free agent.

It should be another busy day on the transaction wire today: MLB Trade Rumors has a look at 30 club options that have to be resolved before midnight tonight.

I didn't do a lot of World Series coverage in this space this season, but I do have some tidbits to share this morning:

Today in baseball economics:

  • The Mets have some tough decisions to make this winter regarding Jose Reyes, Prince Fielder and other possible expenditures, but I wonder if this will be a potential hindrance to their plans: They still haven't paid back a $25 million loan they received from MLB this season.
  • The Angels likely won't be big players in free agency this winter: Owner Arte Moreno told reporters he's "comfortable" with the team maintaining a payroll in the $130-140 million range, and their 2012 commitments are already around $125mm.

Every time I think about a long offseason, I remember that this year spring training almost came before I was ready for it. Jeff Sullivan of Lookout Landing says baseball will be back before you know it, and has a reminder that the 2012 regular season will open in Japan.

If you need more baseball to help bridge the gap, though, then you might be interested in the exhibition series that opens in Taiwan tomorrow. LaTroy Hawkins is there and took this picture of yesterday's press conference. Michael Morse of the Nationals is also there, and has apparently taken on the nickname "Beast Mode."

Today in former Brewers:

This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History remembers this day in 2005, when Carlos Lee became the first Brewer ever to win an NL Silver Slugger Award. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the 39th anniversary of the 1972 trade that brought Don Money to Milwaukee in a six player deal.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need another update.

Drink up.

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and derek lowe just got traded

indians give up an a ball pitcher and pay $5 million in salary (of the $15 million he’s owed next year).

by Capt Science on Oct 31, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Phil Plantier as a hitting coach??

One of the craziest batting stances in MLB history and a Burnitz-esque uppercut swing, this hiring is either insane or pure genius.

by Yomes on Oct 31, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Remember that Rob Deer

was also a hitting coach in the Padres system. They have some weird standards.

by MooseHaas on Oct 31, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shrug.

But I’d guess a guy with a non-traditional stance history would be less likely to try to “fix” a guy who isn’t actually broken.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 31, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's usually not much "fixing" going on at the MLB level

That’s usually more reserved for minor league hitting coaches and/or managers

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 31, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cards fan here

Just wanted to (belatedly) congratulate the Brew Crew on a great season and series. Meant to do it earlier but have been otherwise occupied living and dying and dying and living over our World Series appearance, then ultimately celebrating our 11th World Series championship. Anyway, great run, guys. Good luck next year

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Oct 31, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

another cards fan here

and this guy has been twice banned at VEB. so, y’know… trolls be trollin’.

by Pegasus on Oct 31, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No worries

It’s to be expected. As much as we think we are holier then thou (which fan base doesn’t), I’m sure some trolls came from Brewers nation on over to your side. And I’m sure Packers fans are pretty unbearable in the Football world.

We hope to start you off 0 – 3 in your WS defense next year.

by SgtClueLs on Oct 31, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cards trolls are pretty good, though.

I mean: how many people got new signatures after the “Albert Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball” episode two seasons ago?

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Oct 31, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a good couple of years

Mine was “I hope your name is Rick” from an incredibly lame comeback one Cubs troll attempted on TSSC after the infamous Jake Fox walk-off walk a few years ago…

"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool

by MrLeam on Oct 31, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You couldn't help but feel sorry for him

It was such a dreadfully pathetic attempt at trolling – he got taken apart like he was a six month old up against Mike Tyson…

"I love it when any team called 'The Brew Crew' wins": Tad Kubler
"LOLOL I LOVE YUNI!!!!": ThroughBeingCool

by MrLeam on Oct 31, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Count me as one

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 31, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Well you guys played us really strong this year. It’s gonna be a tough division with Theo going to the Cubs and you know Cincy will be back. Not gonna be easy at all for us to defend the World Series Championship.

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Oct 31, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

surprise surprise, the troll returns to pepper the board with comments

each and every one inviting reply.

LOL, enjoy your day dude, you must be bored.

by Pegasus on Oct 31, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

obviously not as bored as you

monitoring my posts and all. i mean, really? were you appointed deputy sheriff of VEB or something? are you Minister of All that is Proper? do tell.

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Oct 31, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

you guys are like the gestapo

it’s not enough that you set some arbitrary standards at VEB. you gotta go policing everyone else’s blogs too?

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Oct 31, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

As entertaining as it might eventually turn out...

Please take your slap fight elsewhere.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 31, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ANYwho....

Like I said, best of luck to the Brewers next year. The Cardinals will have their work cut out for them trying to defend our World Series Championship.

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Oct 31, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, look, everybody. Just what we all wanted.

A couple of Cardinals fans fighting in Brewers land…

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 31, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

ain’t no fight, i couldn’t possibly be less interested in that. just wanted to give an initial heads-up that the fake “oh hey, nice season!” note was just as fake as it looked. this is all there is from me, on this.

by Pegasus on Oct 31, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh no, he couldn't possibly be less interested

so uninterested he has already made 3 posts about it. you’re too easy, pegasus. it’s like shooting fish in an aquarium.

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Oct 31, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please don't miss and shoot the 3rd grade field trip.

Applying pop culture to Brewers discussions since 2009, earning the nickname of "Our Little Abed".

by Yar Nivek on Nov 1, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't feed the trolls

seriously, haven’t you learned anything? Do. Not. Feed. The. Trolls.

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Nov 1, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

not sure who you are

I do know certain posters on VEB are a little oversensitive and self-important, and take themselves too seriously by half. it’s the burden of being part of The Best Fans In Baseball. I’m a Cardinals fan, but not a fan of all Cardinal fans. If you get my drift.

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Oct 31, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, and also, "Pegasus"

i have been banned from VEB four times, not twice. every time, it’s because i made a comment that the herd mentality did not like. so rather than engage in a little adult back and forth, VEB banned me. not unlike a child bans another child from playing with his legos.

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Oct 31, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking of something a little stronger.

Sort of in the vein of Ron Burgundy. I decided against but then read most of the posts after the first. I wish I had those 2 minuted of my life back.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Oct 31, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 31, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's hard for me to believe that the owners would agree to forego compensation picks in 2012 when the free agent losses...

… that trigger the compensation will occur under the old contract. Nothing’s impossible when it comes to CBA negotiations, at least based on my personal experience, but that seems like an overpay for the hard slot system to me.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 31, 2011 3:39 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The comp pick system is so, so broken though.

In many ways. For one thing, I think its returns for small-market clubs are insufficient. It’s a great tool for smart GMs, but I don’t think its value to less wealthy teams would be more than that of hard slotting. And for the big-money teams, a trade-off to hard slotting seems like a net win.

by Pegasus on Oct 31, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't dispute that it's broken...

… but it’s still better than the alternative. I don’t doubt that the large and weathier mid-market teams would jump at it though, since it removes even the small disincentives that are currently in place when it comes to raiding small market teams for talent. Basically it looks like an attempt to buy off the agents (who, while not a party to the CBA, have a huge impact on what goes into it). Agents lose big checks with a hard slotting system, but with the disincentive for signing marginal upgrade players who’ve been offered arbitration gone, there will be more free agent checks for them to cash, at least in theory.

My main point is that the owners are trying to persuade a group of players that are already in the league to put hard slotting on guys they don’t know and have never met. The yet to be drafted rookies aren’t at the table and don’t get a vote in CBA negotiations, so the players that are there aren’t giving anything up that benefits them or their friends, and they’re getting a looser free agent system in exchange. That’s why it’s an overpay, regardless of how beneficial a hard slotting system might be to owners.

(But in the Machiavellian world of sports CBA’s, it’s an overpay that’s likely to happen: a dozen or so owners will scream that they need to give up the compensatory picks to get a hard slotting system whether it’s true or not because they don’t want to lose a pick when they build their teams through free agency; the agents, who aren’t a party to the CBA, will tell their clients what a terrible deal they’re getting if there’s a hard slotting system even though it doesn’t impact the players in the union in the slightest and frees up resources that they can get themselves; and the players will want to point to something they got in exchange for screwing the 17 year olds who are about to be drafted next year so they’ve got some deniability when they’re accused of selling out.)

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 31, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

well stated, I agree with all of that.

My point was mostly that I think at some point hard slotting will happen; ownership wants it too badly.

by Pegasus on Oct 31, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

well put

although, i do respectfully disagree with this statement: “at some point hard slotting will happen; ownership wants it too badly.”

your other points, however, I find quite sound.

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Oct 31, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

And now you're sniping.

Knock it off or VEB won’t be the only place where you’re not welcome.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 31, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm all for keeping Cards fans off this board

But I don’t see an issue with his post. I think he was referring to the post Pegasus made before TSSC’s long one, but disagreeing with the new one.

Or maybe I’m reading it wrong.

by cwolf20 on Oct 31, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read it as essentially saying

nothing he’s saying is good.

Considering he said:

well put
although, i do respectfully disagree with this statement: "at some point hard slotting will happen; ownership wants it too badly."

your other points, however, I find quite sound.

But the only thing Pegasus said was:

well stated, I agree with all of that.
My point was mostly that I think at some point hard slotting will happen; ownership wants it too badly.

Maybe I’m just too pessimistic though.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 31, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was referring to the post before

This one:

In many ways. For one thing, I think its returns for small-market clubs are insufficient. It’s a great tool for smart GMs, but I don’t think its value to less wealthy teams would be more than that of hard slotting. And for the big-money teams, a trade-off to hard slotting seems like a net win.

Like I said, I could be completely off on my interpretation.

by cwolf20 on Nov 1, 2011 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he was seriously just attacking that one post

Get him out of here.

Perhaps I give people too much credit.

by cwolf20 on Nov 1, 2011 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoaaaa, Simmer Down, Chief

No need for unpleasantries here, we’re all upright citizens. Now I know being hall monitor of this little gabfest earns you extra stripes down at the dork convention, but that’s no reason to be impolite. We are, after all, a civilized people.
 
Once again, best of luck next year to the Nyjer Morgan Nine. I know you all will be right in the mix as the St. Louis Cardinals attempt to defend their 11th World Series Championship.

No shame in coming up short this year, lads. No shame at all.

scrappy, scrappy, scrappy ball club

by brockflood on Nov 1, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do the players really have a problem with hard slotting?

I was always under the impression most of that was small/medium market vs large market teams.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Oct 31, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt they have strong feelings about it....

But their agents do, and some of the players doubtless listen to their agents, and union lawyers will tell them to wring a concession in exchange.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 31, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

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