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Wednesday's Frosty Mug

Sorry, seven year old Trent Schmit, there will be no sweep.

Some things to read while buying a test. (h/t @BNightengale)

I was excited before, but I must admit that seeing this Daniel Hudson tweet this morning made me even more eager to watch the Brewers end the Diamondbacks' season sometime in the coming days:

#beastmode just got #goldschmidtedon

That tweet is likely something we'll remember and laugh about when we see it in Howie Magner's Brewer movie.

After spending two days watching Arizona manager Kirk Gibson take a beating for intentional walk strategy, Ron Roenicke apparently decided he wanted in on the fun last night. He walked Miguel Montero in the fifth inning and watched him score Arizona's sixth run as Paul Goldschmidt hit a grand slam. Steve Henson of Yahoo is giving Roenicke a pass for the decision. Meanwhile, Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker wants to know why Shaun Marcum was still in the game at that point.

Marcum's outing last night was the kind of performance we may still be analyzing years from now, but here are my early impressions: Brooks Baseball says he was averaging over 87 mph on his fastball, so his velocity wasn't down. For whatever reason, though, he only threw his changeup seven times out of 78 pitches. He usually throws it roughly once every four pitches. Tom Haudricourt was one of many to suggest he's hurting.

I'm guessing this wasn't the memorable moment Marcum was hoping for last night: Jeff Sullivan of Lookout Landing says his glove throw following the grand slam (captured here in gif form) was "maybe the best pitcher reaction to allowing a home run of the year."

Really, though, in the end it may not have mattered: The Brewers couldn't hit Josh Collmenter again last night and seemed unlikely to recover from any deficit. Carson Cistulli noted the difference in break (about five inches) between a normal four seam fastball and Collmenter's, which he throws straight over the top.

Other notes from the field:

Via Larry Granillo of Baseball Prospectus, here are yesterday's home run trot times:

Hitter Trot Time
Corey Hart 19.84 seconds
Paul Goldschmidt 20.44 seconds

The Brewers get another chance to end the series tonight, as Randy Wolf starts against Joe Saunders at 8:30. Mike Bauman of MLB.com has the preview, and Jordan Bastian of MLB.com talked to Wolf about the game. Keith Law thinks the Diamondbacks are making a mistake by not starting top prospect Jarrod Parker.

Meanwhile, this narrative continues: By winning last night's game the Diamondbacks continue to mirror the 2008 Brewers. Here's hoping Joe Saunders is 2011's Jeff Suppan.

The Brewers have used the same lineup in each of the first three games in this series, but will likely change things up tonight: With Randy Wolf on the mound we'll almost certainly see George Kottaras behind the plate in place of Jonathan Lucroy. Lori Nickel of the JS has a reminder that this is still Lucroy's first full major league season.

As it turns out, this series' controversy involving Lucroy may have been a misunderstanding: Diamondbacks pitcher Ian Kennedy claims reporters misunderstood him when they quoted him as saying Lucroy was "a guy who can't really hit" following Saturday's game.

Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun were on base a combined three times last night (a single, walk and HBP), but the rest of their teammates reached a combined four times. This week's edition of A Simple Kind of Fan looks at how opposing teams are able to keep the Brewers in check if they limit Braun and Fielder's opportunities.

If you watched last night's game, you probably saw the Diamondbacks players doing "The Snake" after hits. Yes, it's meant to be a ripoff of "Beast Mode." I guess some people are probably annoyed by the imitiation, but from my perspective it's preferable to lecture on "respecting the game." And really, I'm more irritated by Racing Sausage ripoff/beatdowns.

I don't recall being wowed by their performance to this point, but maybe I'm missing it: Rob Neyer makes a strong case for Gerardo Parra, Chris Young and Justin Upton as the best defensive outfield in the National League.

John Axford got the night off last night, but hopefully he'll be back in there protecting a ninth inning lead tonight. Reviewing the Brew has another edition of John Axford Mustache Facts.

Meanwhile, the playoffs are the perfect opportunity for your hometown paper to write a story about you: The Orlando Sentinel and Naperville Patch have stories on Jonathan Lucroy and Jerry Hairston Jr.

In the minors:

  • Arizona Fall League play kicked off yesterday, but it was a quiet day for Brewer prospects. Kentrail Davis was the only Brewer to play in Peoria's 12-9 loss and went 1-for-4 with a walk and two strikeouts. You know that already if you've read this morning's AFL Notes.
  • By the way, the Brewers have 14 AFL alums on their postseason roster, tied for the most among the eight contenders.

The Brewers had a bad day yesterday, but we're all still infinitely better off than we would have been if Miller Park hadn't been built. Doug Russell has a look at the alternate reality (FanShot).

Many if not most of you probably saw this FanPost last week by stigmo on how the Brewers have helped him and his family get through a tough summer dealing with a miscarriage. Yesterday I got a call from Fox 6 News letting me know they were doing a story on Steve and his family, which is awesome (FanShot).

If you missed it yesterday, please take a moment today to participate in this SB Nation survey to help improve Brew Crew Ball and the network going forward.

Around baseball:

Dodgers: Declined pitcher Jon Garland and third baseman Casey Blake's club options for 2012.
Rockies: Are removing third baseman Kevin Kouzmanoff from their 40 man roster. He'll be a free agent this winter.

The Brewers weren't the only team burned by an intentional walk yesterday: Cardinals manager Tony LaRussa walked Carlos Ruiz of the Phillies last night to bring up pinch hitter Ben Francisco, who hit a three run homer to plate the eventual winning run. You already know that and much more if you've read this morning's edition of Around the MLB Playoffs.

LaRussa, by the way, was fined an undisclosed amount for his comments about the umpiring during Sunday's game.

Hopefully you're enjoying this October's added suspense: Entering 2011 13 of the last 24 Division Series had ended in sweeps, but none will this year for the first time since 2003. More playoff games, of course, means more opportunities for playoff puns.

Several Brewers had bad days yesterday, but most of them can't compare to the TBS cameraman who fell down following Adrian Beltre from third to home after a home run yesterday.

Elsewhere in bad days: Astros outfielder Jordan Schafer was arrested and charged with felony marijuana possession after officers in an unmarked police car saw him smoking pot while driving.

Today in baseball economics:

This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History remembers the final day of the 2008 season. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the 53rd anniversary of the Milwaukee Braves winning Game 4 to take a 3-1 World Series lead over the Yankees, and the anniversary of these former Brewers' final games:

Player Season
Ben Oglivie 1986
Gorman Thomas 1986
Devon White 2001

All three finished their careers as Brewers.

We close today with a sad note: Our condolences go out today to the family of Wausau native Johnny Schmitz, who passed away yesterday at the age of 90. Schmitz played 13 major league seasons between 1941-56 as a member of the Cubs and six other teams, and spent three years serving in the Navy during World War II.

Drink up.

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This should be Collmenter not Goldschmidt
Grant Brisbee of Baseball Nation noted that Marcum and Goldschmidt threw baseball’s third and seventh slowest fastballs this season, respectively.

"...just throw that pill over the plate and I'll make it happen." - Tony Plush

by thefreewheelin76 on Oct 5, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I was wondering about that

Wasn’t sure if there was as blowout game when Goldschmidt came in to pitch.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marcum and his changup

Why hasn’t Kranitz brought this to his attention? I mean, you got a guy whose most effective pitch is being thrown less than 10% of the time. That’s ridiculous.

As purported by Rubie_Q on twitter today, in the first half, he threw it 33% of the time. In september, it was 16%

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Oct 5, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who said he hasn't?

Maybe Marcum is having problems throwing it for strikes.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I would be absolutely floored if the coaching staff either (a) hasn’t noticed that Marcum’s stopped throwing his changeup; or (b) has noticed, but has decided not to ask him what’s going on.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Oct 5, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fixed, thanks

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 5, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The dust storm causing the roof to be closed was no big deal. This was a big deal (this was on my way to the game).



(News Article)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the men, women, and children who were involved or who had loved ones involved.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd say that it's probably not a good idea for so many people to be driving during that.

However, it’s probably like thick fog for them. Most people here wouldn’t be opposed to driving in thick fog.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yikes

stay safe. If you have to drive you have to drive, I suppose.

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree.

Plus grown men imitating a snake is simply funnier and about a 1 on a 1-10 scale of intimidation.

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope that they're doing it to have fun

Not just out of spite. I mean, I support spite, but come on.

by cwolf20 on Oct 5, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to see this

Apparently some people on the intarwebz haven’t taken kindly to it, and from a completely separated perspective as a D-backs fan, I think those people are taking Nyjer Morgan way more seriously than Nyjer Morgan takes himself. :-P

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

What do you guys think about this?
If the NLDS goes to a decisive Game 5 on Friday, right-hander Yovani Gallardo would start, manager Ron Roenicke said. He had the choice between Gallardo, who won Game 1, and Zack Greinke, who started Game 2 and would be available on regular rest.

From this McCalvy article in the mug.

by Fiesta on Oct 5, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Seems fine to me

I’d assume who ever doesn’t pitch would be available out of the ’pen if need be.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 5, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

It also means Greinke would be in line to start game 1 of the NLCS

And Wolf could pitch game 2 on regular rest. I’d prefer to see him in game 2 if it’s against the Phillies.

by Brew Angel on Oct 5, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gallardo

has earned it. To me, it’s a no brainer. ..but a lot of folks still believe Greinke is the ace.

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

So, I got a "Thanks for registering but you weren't selected for the chance to buy NLCS tickets" email today

I’m guessing that a few other people around here got “Congratulations!” type emails.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

My brother

Got the congratulations email.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 5, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got the same one you did.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

After getting a congrats for the DS, I got a no for the NLCS.

Luckily my brother got a congrats. If it happens we have home game #3.

"I haven't been out carousing." -Aaron Rodgers

by gavitron9 on Oct 5, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welp, spending $220 to see Marcum get grand-slammed wasn't quite what I had in mind.

But I feel confident about Wolf on the mound tonight, and I’m glad we’re not doing a stupid short-rest start given how rarely they work out. Got a ticket for $104, further up the 3rd base line but still in the 2nd row. Now to find a way to kill 6 hours in Phoenix before the game…

by Archibaldcrane on Oct 5, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

hit up In and Out Burger

it’s well worth your time to do so.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Oct 5, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember

I live in LA, and I doubt the In and Outs here are any better than the ones there – I’d still end up on the toilet within 30 minutes.

I’m a notorious In and Out hater though. I think it’s the most overrated thing about the Western US.

by Archibaldcrane on Oct 5, 2011 2:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

I agree

Tried In and Out for the first time when I was in California a few weeks ago. I really don’t get the appeal. To each his own.

Made up for it by hitting Stone Brewery the next day though.

Prince: "Brewers will win the World Series and I'll sign a 10-year deal in Milwaukee"
Braun: "Well, I guess there's just one thing to do then..."

by SAE on Oct 5, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

In n Out is a great fast food burger.

But it’s still a fast food burger, and cannot compare to a quality restaurant burger.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blasphemer!

Next thing you’ll do is start comparing the BAR (Burgers Above Replacement) numbers for various chains and use an arbitrary sample size to regress In-n-Out below some self-determined level, thereby (dis)proving your point.

I love In-n-Out. What I don’t get is Five Guys.

by Brew Angel on Oct 5, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mmmmmm......Five Guys

Hand-cut fries in large quantities are the cherry on top of the wonderful sundae that is a big juicy burger.

And you can throw peanut shells on the ground while you wait.

by Zack Greinke's Paxil on Oct 5, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smuggle narcotics?

Seems to be a popular AZ time killing activity

by backtocali on Oct 5, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Take a walk.

Do some drugs.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I like this idea.

Where’d i put my sombrero?

by Archibaldcrane on Oct 5, 2011 2:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I hate to sound like a man obsessed with another man's facial hair

But you’ve got a good ’stache to go with it…

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by MrLeam on Oct 5, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think there's a post about spring training somewhere

but you could end up at pizzeria bianco, alice cooperstown (eating a “big unit” hot dog), or at the tilted kilt…

by Capt Science on Oct 5, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

the az beat writer has suggestions

via twitter:

If the wait is too long at Matt’s, swing over to Cibo. Gallo Blanco, The Windsor & Chino Bandito also favs of mine.

so maybe try one of those. but i agree with hyatt on in’n’out burger. there’s one on scottsdale road just north of mill avenue. it’s on the east side of the street by the a-loft hotel. not too hard to get to from downtown.

by Capt Science on Oct 5, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chino Bandito is crazy/good.

It’s Chinese/Mexican fusion, so you can get a sweet and sour pork quesadilla.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, they serve pretty massive servings, and a free cookie.

So you’re quite full.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Four Peaks Brewing for some beers and food, Sleepy Dog Brewing down the street for more brews.

Then hit up the Arizona Science Center if you’re into the nerdy stuff. Science Center is just across from the ballpark too.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

See the Celebratory Booze post for more information about the beers at the two Breweries.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the best-kept secrets in Arizona

I don’t think it will be kept for much longer, though. And that is a very good thing.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

The chicken enchiladas are fucking incredible.

And the manager? is from Minnesota, saw my jersey and had a 20 minute conversation with me about Wisconsin sports. This place is awesome.

by Archibaldcrane on Oct 5, 2011 3:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you want a truly great meal

Go to Barrio Cafe.

Synopsis of business plan:
1) An obese Mexican lady learned how to cook in France.
2) Combine Mexican and French cooking styles.
3) Profit.

Oh, and Pizzeria Bianco is also a must if you’re in town for a short time. The wait is like forever (particularly on a game night), but it’s quite possibly the best pizza in the country. If you’re still in town tomorrow, that’d be a place to go to.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

(just see my comment signature)

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's not available in CA yet, it's just a matter of time.

Kilt Lifter is probably in every grocery store and liquor store in the state of AZ, so Four Peaks is getting to the size they could export to Cali/Colorado.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could...

Kidnap a local furniture magnate’s kid… Just don’t let John Goodman find out.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 5, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

tonight's game is a "black out"

not because the diamondbacks still have tickets available, but because they’ll be wearing black and want the fans to. just like wesley snipes

by Capt Science on Oct 5, 2011 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Both Red and Black

Probably really help defenders in picking up the ball off of the bat. A lot more so than the towels teams are handing out to their fans.

by backtocali on Oct 5, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ug

My Brewers fandom verse my personal adherence to the always bet on black rule. So conflicted. Go Brewers.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 5, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

was anyone really upset at "The Snake" thing?

fair game imo

"When I was playing shortstop we were in first place," Theriot told St. Louis Today. "I know that."

by JAMOOL on Oct 5, 2011 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Awesome.

Sounds like something my wife would mention. She is still upset that all of the Pennslyvania teams have "P"s on their hats as well as P names and P mascots. Things aren’t AL or NL, they are “Twins league” or “Brewers league.” She’s a scientist.

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still pretty chuffed that if you asked my ex to name as many baseball players as she could

the only name she’s be able to come up with would “that Branyan guy you’re always on about”…

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by MrLeam on Oct 5, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

They've also never won a game in which they scored exactly 1 run and gave up any type of home run.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Via Beyond the Boxscore

Not exactly sure what this does, but intersting to look at.

by backtocali on Oct 5, 2011 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it says

that Joe Saunders’ fastball is a big blue blob of suck.

by MooseHaas on Oct 5, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Probably a over analysis

But here is the respective team pitch values (for the offense) for the respective pitches

Brewers: Fastball 45.6, Changeup -14.9, Curveball -6, Slider -36.4
D’Backs: Fastball 41.7, Curveball 5.3, Slider -43.6, Changeup -28.6

Anyone know what it would take to get a one number total for each teams expected effectiveness given a certain pitching opponent?

by backtocali on Oct 5, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brewers are the best fastball-hitting team in the NL, according to Fangraphs

On paper, they should eat Saunders alive. Of course, the D-Backs are the second-best fastball-hitting team in the NL, so…

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Three according to that picture

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The good news is that it looks like he uses them about equally.

With Saunders, it’s just FB/CH. IIRC from watching Saunders with the Halos, his changeup is essentially a sinker — he’s a groundball pitcher.

by Brew Angel on Oct 5, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Naw

It’s a true change-up, fades pretty nicely. And he’s not much of a GB-er, just has a weird career trend where like a bajillion percent of the home runs he gives up are solo shots so the fly ballishness doesn’t kill him as much as others. Of course, you can see the level of scientific accuracy I put into that comment, so take it with a grain of salt.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Listened to the game last night

And after watching MLB.tv’s condensed game this morning, I actually feel a lot better about the loss. The Diamondbacks had only two really hard-hit balls all game, to the Brewers’ one (though there were also a couple of deep flyouts by Marcum and Lucroy you count if you were being really generous).

That’s still not great, but certainly not blowout-caliber – more like what you’d see in a 3-1 or 4-2 game. The difference was all about Marcum’s lack of control and a ton of groundball singles for D-Backs (neither of which the D-Backs can count on again tonight), because really, neither team was hitting the ball all that hard.

It felt while listening on the radio like the Brewers were getting completely destroyed, but it was really just a couple of breaks that didn’t go the Brewers’ way. I think a few more of those breaks will go right tonight.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2011 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

also

we pushed for homefield so we can lose on the road and still win the series.
“so, like, whatever.”

by Capt Science on Oct 5, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

It’s kind of like when the Brewers were slumping a bit in mid-September – the primary benefit of building up a huge division lead was precisely that they could go through a slump and still be fine. And now in the playoffs, the primary reason the Brewers pushed for homefield was so they could jump to a quick lead and withstand a road loss or two – in other words, exactly what’s happened so far.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"neither of which the D-Backs can count on again tonight"

Is Betancourt out of the lineup today?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what I could see, they really did get lucky.

Choppers that were too slow/short for IF to make a play, and some balls through the holes, neither of which are terribly repeatable skills.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poor Poor Albert

It’s just not fair that the Cardinals have to play in the shadows.

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
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by GoGregGo on Oct 5, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I LOVE that this quote starts with "Maybe if we were the New York Yankees..."

Especially since he may be one next year. I know not the most likely destination, but can’t put anything past the Yankees or the little punk that is Pujols.

Who will the Cardinals blame tomorrow?

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 5, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also...

Shadows were likely equally tough for the Phillies.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 5, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pujols, in his infinite narcissism

Seems to be unaware that the other team has to hit in the shadows, too.

by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 5, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every ballpark is going to have a shadow issue in some way in the late afternoon.

The only way to not have that is to orient the field so the batter faces west at the plate, which would never happen because then you would have to battle the sun.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

Pujols is Superman, and derives his power from the sun?

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 5, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's probably the opposite

Pujols in day games in 2011: .249/.321/.519/.839
Pujols in night games in 2011: .323./.387/.551/.938

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

My theory: Pujols is part vampire

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction

Baby eating vampire

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
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by GoGregGo on Oct 5, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Presented without comment
“You pray for rains and clouds when we have a day game,” Braun told the Journal Sentinel’s Tom Haudricourt. Braun added that no one liked playing at Miller Park during the day.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 5, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think there's a difference

Between saying you don’t like to play at a particular park during the day and saying that “If we were the Yankees this never would have happened.”

Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
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by GoGregGo on Oct 5, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Both are whiners

Both teams have to deal with the conditions. Quit worrying about your stats.

by tcyoung on Oct 5, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Rangers had a ginger ale shower after winning their ALDS.

Anyone else wonder if that’s overkill on celebrating? I’d understand doing it after winning the world series, or even a league championship series. Doing it after a league division series win, though? It seems like the Packers celebrating with a champagne shower after beating the Falcons in last season’s playoffs.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

That's not very clear.
It seems would be like the Packers celebrating with a champagne shower after beating the Falcons in last season’s playoffs.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think all MLB teams have a celebration

If they want to celebrate, I’m not going to tell them they shouldn’t. Winning a playoff series is a big deal.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Oct 5, 2011 2:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not saying they shouldn't do it.

I just wonder if that’s too much celebrating.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The teams whose focus is on winning the WS

Make it a point not to celebrate, as the Yankees did this year. I agree that its a bit much.

the ginger ale was probably for Josh Hamilton’s sake. I wonder if that would be the case as well if they won the WS.

by backtocali on Oct 5, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just finished reading his book

Amazing story. Just cant get over how he dug himself out of that hole.

by backtocali on Oct 5, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great story.

I thought the book could have benefitted from a different ghost writer, though. Not quite sure what it was, but his writing style didn’t really jive with me.

by tcyoung on Oct 5, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Say what?

THIS is making it a point not to celebrate?

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Oct 5, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see no hookers or blow.

Clearly not a proper Yankees celebration.

by Archibaldcrane on Oct 5, 2011 3:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I.E.

We havent won anything yet (anything less than a world series championship) isnt worthy of celebration….

So goes the thought of a team like the Yankees, or Phillies that have been there before, and see no need to celebrate until they accomplish the ultimate goal.

by backtocali on Oct 5, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you not watch the video

of them celebrating their division championship?

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Oct 5, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yankees?

I did not, just repeating what I read.

by backtocali on Oct 5, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the video I linked to

five messages up, where they’re spraying champagne all over each other.

We pull our pants up and do our jobs here.

by Rubie Q on Oct 5, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

For good measure

Here’s a video of the Phillies doing the same… link

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Sully complain about this

or at least along those same lines?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll be pretty pumped if the brewers win the NLDS

and i will celebrate.
my celebration involves eating a lot of cookies, though.

by Capt Science on Oct 5, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Question

If we win tonight, should i go out on the town, get shitty celebrating, get a hotel and just drive home tomorrow morning, or suck it up and make the late night drive back tonight?

by Archibaldcrane on Oct 5, 2011 3:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know what I'd do

but my lawyer has advised me to refrain from recommending debauchery.

by MillerParkSouth on Oct 5, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i lived in phx for a few years

and there are some good places to celebrate out there. you’re from la so you may think it’s crap. i would celebrate unless you have a commitment at home.

by Capt Science on Oct 5, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hold on there champ

I’m FROM Madison. I just live in LA.

by Archibaldcrane on Oct 5, 2011 7:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If your post-game activities involve celebrating...

you should not drive home until the next morning.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't recommend late night drives.

Have fun, but in moderation so you can actually drive comfortably in the morning. Hung-over driving would suck.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that's celebrating

Then I celebrate every day.

REWIND YOURSELF!

by drezdn on Oct 5, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I get the overcelebrating

The club honors Josh Hamilton’s sobriety by celebrating with Ginger ale, so he can participate. Definitely a bit of overkill

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Oct 5, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand the whole ginger ale concept, wasn't questioning that.

Just the overcelebrating part. I don’t know, maybe it’s just the party buzzkill part of me that makes me think about this. I haven’t been to a party in a long time, and generally don’t do well when I go to parties.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team accomplished something...

why not celebrate? All the teams celebrated when they made the playoffs… so why wouldn’t they celebrate winning the LDS?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not against celebrating

Just overcelebrating, which is what I see a champagne/ginger ale shower as for winning a LDS.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

How did you want them to celebrate? High fives and orange slices?

Also, did you have a problem with all the celebrations for making the playoffs? Because I’d say that winning the LDS is a heck of a lot more important than just making the playoffs.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Forget it, I'm just backing off here.

Just call me a buzzkill and let’s move on.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the ginger ale is even a good idea

It mimics the champagne celebration, so wouldn’t going through the motions still be bad for Josh? This is something I’ve always wondered about. Nice gesture, and everything, and it doesn’t seem to have caused any harm.

Also brought this up because a family friend who has kicked the habit for a few years watched with us last year, and mentioned that it would make him want to drink. He seemed sort of upset.

p.s. Seth McClung has returned to OMC, and put this on his list for things to watch out for. So they’ve gotta listen to McClung : )

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.

by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 5, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sports celebrations are all very similar... just the beverage used changes

They use milk at the Indy 500, and NASCAR races use water or whatever the soda sponsor is (Coke or Pepsi).

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

I should’ve said “beverage sponsor”.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

arizona lineup

Bloomquist SS,
Hill 2B,
Upton RF,
Montero C,
Goldschmidt 1B,
Roberts 3B,
Young CF,
Parra LF,
Saunders LHP

pick your source: (1), or (2)

by Capt Science on Oct 5, 2011 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

So, only change is switching Roberts and Young?

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

well,

and there’s a different pitcher…

by Capt Science on Oct 5, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holliday in Cardinals' lineup

Game broadcast starts in 45 minutes. First pitch is probably 52 minutes away…

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Brewers lineup

Hart 9
Hairston 5
Braun 7
Fielder 3
Weeks 5
Betancourt 6
Gomez 8
Kottaras 2
Wolf 1

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, he should probably be 4

Just copied the above from the Brewers.com Tweet. (Link)

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

i wonder under which circumstances we’d be better off with hairston 6 and mcgehee 5.

by Capt Science on Oct 5, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is actually a little funny now.

Both of the Brewers official Twitter feeds list Weeks and Hairston at 3B today.

Link

Link

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good idea; I like Hairston batting 2nd.

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.

by Jess'HittheBall on Oct 5, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I normally don't

but with Plush out of the line up, there’s no one else I’d rather see. Good for Ron not to put Gomez in there because “the CF always bats 2nd”

by Fiesta on Oct 5, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a Ned move

Has RR said that (I know that he’s done it)?

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actions speak louder than words.

He’s had Kotsay bat #2 when playing CF and bat #3 when playing LF.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm

okay with the “leftfielder always hitting third” on this club.

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am too

Except when it’s Kotsay.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gomez shouldn't be too bad.

He’s batting .278/.301/.556/.857 with 6 HR vs. LHP this season

In fact, in his last 3 starts: 5 for 11 with 5 R, 2 HR, and 5 RBI

(I know, small sample size alert…)

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Kottawolf better.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oooh!

I do too, I was just quoting Wolfie himself. My favorite platoon name of all time is still Counsellino.

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yuni is a big hole of suck

regardless of the pitcher’s throwing arm.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 5, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which explains why he's included in the contiguous hole of suck...

The only one who may not belong, as JP points out, is GoGo but unless he’s hitting bombs the desolation that surrounds him will consume whatever good he does.

by kmals on Oct 5, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

He

does hit one every 61 at-bats….

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall a conversation, but google can't find it for whatever reason.

OMG, that guy has a nasty slider, he’s going to carve up Yuni.
   OMG, that guy has an arm, he’s going to carve up Yuni.
      OMG, that guy has a knife, he’s going to carve up Yuni.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yuni isn't a terrible option against LHP.

Of course he is always a terrible option in the field.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Oct 5, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

From Adam McCalvy
As Rosiak noted, bad break that Kottaras draws a lefty. His work w/ Wolf is the priority over offense.

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

As was noted way earlier

he also keeps guys from running as much!

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

He always catches Randy Wolf.

That’s what I would call a serious co-linearity problem.

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by Yar Nivek on Oct 5, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mid 1, PHI 2, STL 0

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

hope the folks that wanted to see the Phillies advance are enjoying this.

I’m going to enjoy watching Poo Holes, TLR and the rest play the blame game, but only because there will be little else to cheer for.

by Bertwerst on Oct 5, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're going to play the blame game for sure is they lose

On anything and everyone, and also injuries.

But just imagine what it’ll be like if they manage to win…despite the injuries…despite every umpire, opposing team and act of God being “against them”. Their ego is such that they are entitled to more and better than every other team.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Oct 5, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saw that kid!

If that was a picture from last night I totally saw that kid and his dad. They were rocking out the team colors hard core.

There was also a guy in a T Plush suit, pretty impressive!

I personally had the “Fielder for President” sign. Got me lots of boos ;)

by leetpcuser on Oct 5, 2011 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

STL #12 RBI 2B

PHI 2, STL 1

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions  

8-pitch inning for Jackson

MID 2: PHI 2, STL 1

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

1-2-3 2nd for PHI

PHI 2, STL 1

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by -JP- on Oct 5, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

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