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What About the Bullpen?

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The Brewers definitely need a shortstop. Third base and first base are kind of mysteries, sure. The bench is going to need some help, absolutely. But what about the bullpen? It's talked about every now and then, but the Brewers 2012 relief seems like the forgotten problem.

Right now, Brewers.com has the Brewers bullpen as John Axford, Kameron Loe, Marco Estrada, Brandon Kintzler, Manny Parra, and Tim Dillard. Six players currently listed at a spot where the Brewers carried seven. Also on the 40 man roster are Zack Braddock, Frankie De La Cruz, and Mike McClendon along with players the Brewers might want to keep starting in the minors like Michael Fiers, Cody Scarpetta and Wily Peralta.

Axford is fantastic, no doubt. Loe has been a very solid pitcher for the Brewers. Everyone else has had their share of ups and downs with the Brewers. Unfortunately, there have been a few too many downs than ups. Many of these players, like Kintzler and De La Cruz, we haven't seen enough of to really get a gauge on what kinds of players they can be.

I just don't feel at all comfortable with that bullpen. Maybe we were just spoiled with last year's bullpen having Axford, Rodriguez, Saito and Hawkins. Four players with significant closing experience at the top of a bullpen is fantastic. Milwaukee will no longer have that luxury, but it would be nice if they could take measures to improve their current situation.

We've talked ad nauseum about the Brewers' likely having roughly $10 million in salary to spend for 2012. A good chunk of that is going to end up being given to a shortstop. I doubt the Brewers feel comfortable with slotting Mat Gamel as the first baseman of the future, at least without competition, so give another chunk to a first baseman. The team has a couple of bench spots open. They'll need an outfielder and potentially an infielder. They could re-sign Jerry Hairston, Jr, who was excellent for the team last year and can play just about anywhere. Overall, dependant on the quality of shortstop the team signs, they are looking at roughly $7-8 million dollars amongst all those spots, if they go cheap for 1B competition and non-Hairston bench spots.

So, with maybe $2-3 million left over, is there really much Milwaukee can do to improve their bullpen? They couldn't re-sign LaTroy Hawkins, unless he takes a significant pay cut. Hawkins made over $4 million last year. They certainly can't re-sign K-Rod. I think there is a good possibility Milwaukee will re-sign Takashi Saito, who made $1.75 million in 2011. However, Saito was showing his age some last year. Despite the second best ERA of his career, he also dropped significantly in his K/9 rate. His FIP was also the second worst of his career (though that's somewhat misleading as he still had a very good 3.40 FIP).

There are plenty of free-agent relief pitchers, but likely none the Brewers can afford that will help turn the bullpen back into a team strength. They could potentially afford a guy coming off injury like David Aardsma, but I'd be willing to bet some team would be willing to pay more for a "proven" closer. Heath Bell, Francisco Cordero, Jonathan Broxton, etc. will all be too expensive. 

The free agent market is chock full of Miguel Batistas and Manny Delcarmens. But guys like that are probably only marginally better than what the Brewers already have and likely wouldn't be worth the cost. Milwaukee has been tied to Frank Francisco, but at $4 million last year he is another guy who would have to take a pay cut to join the team.


The Brewers have their share of holes to fill this winter. It's pretty clear that the main concern is and should be finding a shortstop. But I'm concerned that the focus on offensive players will preclude the team strengthening the bullpen. I know that overpaying for a bullpen arm is a terrible idea. Nobody in their right minds would think the Phillies signing Jonathan Papelbon to the contract they did is a good idea. But the current arms the Brewers have are underwhelming at best. Axford is outstanding and Loe will be fine. Everyone else is enigmatic, though. Milwaukee's starting pitchers aren't known for pitching deep into ball games, and had just one complete game last year. With plenty of innings available, it would be nice to have a strong bullpen again. Unfortunately, with the financial constraints, that looks like a near impossibility.

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I agree with much of this

I think the bullpen should be discussed as much as the other positions that need filling.

Only thing is, there are exciting options at 1b and SS to discuss. They’re unrealistic for the Brewers but enough people have attached them to the Crew that it’s easy to get on board the excitement train. We know it’ll derail soon.

However, as you pointed out, the pitchers beyond a certain point are all a big bag of “eh”. Not much exciting that the Brewers would be attached to, even in a fantasy. The big guys would be exciting if anyone, anywhere thought we could get them.

by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 12, 2011 1:40 PM CST reply actions  

I think that alot depends on what the managment think the currant players can do.

McClendon,Parra,Estrada,Kintzler,Saito,Loe,Axford is roughly how things line up at the moment if they can re-sign Saito. It really lacks a “shutdown” set-up man whom you would confident in if he facing the middle of the line-up with a 1 run lead in the 8th.
Apart from that it looks like alot will depend on Parra, he has the “stuff” and the strikeout potential to make him a possibly the key guy in the pen but I guess we will have to wait until spring training to see how he is after his injury.

by Saltire on Nov 12, 2011 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

Of course

It might be handy if we had a manager who occasionally let Axford go for more than one inning. I think his willingness to let Ax go multi-innings was probably about the best thing about Ken Macha…

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by MrLeam on Nov 12, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Signing Saito to a similar contract as this year would help a bunch

In my opinion. If Hawkins wants to do the same (Saito contract), that would be 2 decent relievers for <5 mil.

by cwolf20 on Nov 12, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

I think the Brewers will sign one veteran in the $1m-$3m range

Most likely Saito, though maybe someone else (i.e., someone who can actually pitch on back-to-back days). Then I think they’ll offer a couple of minor-league contracts with camp invites to see if they can hit the lottery, and just generally throw a whole bunch of crap up against the wall (both internal and external options) and see what sticks.

by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 12, 2011 5:42 PM CST reply actions  

Veteran LHP is basically what they need, right?

Someone like George Sherill makes sense.

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by SRB on Nov 12, 2011 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

I have nothing to support this argument, but I feel like another year of Saito is pressing our luck.

He’ll be 42, or whatever, and he had the benefit (in hindsight) of sitting out a good portion of the season to start, which I think probably kept his arm fresh deeper into the year last year.

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by The Dayman on Nov 12, 2011 11:46 PM CST reply actions  

The upside at 2 million salary is worth it

If we were paying 5 million, I would agree with you.

by cwolf20 on Nov 13, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Broxton and Aardsma would be a couple to keep an eye on, they’ll likely be available on cheap incentive-laden type deals since they’re coming off big injuries. Problem is the Brewers have Axford, so they know they likely won’t be in line for any closing opportunities (and more money on their next deal).

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by Supertramp on Nov 13, 2011 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

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