Tuesday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while flipping the actual bird.
While the countdown to pitchers and catchers reporting to Maryvale is at 96 days the GM meetings continue this week at the Pfister Hotel, but it sounds like "GM meetings" might be a misnomer. At one point yesterday Doug Melvin was the only general manager in attendance. He was there meeting with agent Paul Kinzer, who represents Rafael Furcal and Aramis Ramirez (FanShot). He also said he's talked to Casey Close, who represents Jerry Hairston Jr.
Also included in a note above was this tidbit: Yuniesky Betancourt remains interested in returning to Milwaukee, but the Brewers have told him they intend to check out the market first. Reviewing the Brew asks if you could deal with another season of Yuni.
Another season of Yuni seems much more likely than any seasons of Jose Reyes. Jon Heyman acknowledges that Doug Melvin has only talked to Reyes' agent one time, but still thinks he's the Brewers' top target. Reyes is represented by Peter Greenberg, who is not in attendance in Milwaukee this week.
Meanwhile, here's another potential option: MLB Trade Rumors is reporting that Japanese shortstop Hiroyuki Nakajima will be posted this winter. Nakajima hit .297/.354/.433 for Seibu in 2011.
Here are this morning's Prince Fielder notes:
- Scott Boras met with reporters yesterday and compared Prince Fielder to Albert Pujols. Dave Cameron of FanGraphs would like a word.
- Jon Heyman mentioned the Mariners would like to be an option for Fielder, which set Lookout Landing in motion.
Elsewhere in free agency, Aaron Gleeman has a solid list of free agent relievers for the budget-conscious shopper.
Dale Sveum's offseason adventure continues, as he's expected to meet the Red Sox tomorrow for a second interview. Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that he's the only candidate they've called back to this point. Doug Melvin told reporters "I think Dale is to the point where he's ready." Tom Haudricourt says longtime Brewer minor league instructor Sandy Guerrero could be a candidate to replace Sveum if he moves on.
The BBWAA is (finally) announcing their 2011 awards this week, with the NL MVP scheduled to be the last one announced on Friday. Prospect Insider polled several writers from around the web and predicted Matt Kemp will win the award over Ryan Braun.
Kemp, meanwhile, reportedly agreed to an eight year, $160 million contract extension with the Dodgers yesterday. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar has a look at the deal and notes that Kemp's average salary ($20 million) will be higher than Braun's highest salary ($19 million) at any point during his deal. Kemp also has a full no-trade clause.
Today's installment of Carson Cistulli's Offseason Notes has several Brewer-relevant tidbits, so let's break out the bullet points:
- Bill James is predicting Yuniesky Betancourt will have a .290 wOBA in 2012, which is less than free agents Ramon Santiago and Luis Rodriguez.
- Caleb Gindl is second among all Venezuelan Winter League hitters in Carson's SCOUT stat, which measures a player relative to his peers in home runs, walks and strikeouts.
- Former Brewer Vinny Rottino is also spending the winter in Venezuela, and is also among the league leaders in SCOUT.
Elsewhere in the minors:
- Three Brewer farmhands combined for four doubles in Peoria's 4-2 win over Mesa yesterday. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
- Scooter Gennett was one of those three: He has six multi-hit games in his last seven contests and is now hitting .423.
- John Steinmiller is headed down to Arizona for the final week of AFL play, and has a quick look at the Brewers taking part.
- The Wisconsin Timber Rattlers have started their weekly Interrogation Room series, and this week's guest is 2011 Brevard County Manatee Nick Bucci.
Missing Miller Park this morning? Michael Cuddyer has a collage of photos he took at the park when the Twins were in town this season. You can see his full collection here.
If you'd like more Brewer content today but you're sick of reading, Ron Roenicke will be appearing live on MLB Network at 2:15.
Our Brewer-by-Brewer look at the 2011 season continued yesterday with this profile of Kameron Loe. Our 16th Brewer in the series is due up later this afternoon, so be sure to check back.
Around baseball:
Diamondbacks: Sold pitcher Kam Mickolio to Hiroshima in Japan.
Dodgers: Signed infielder Mark Ellis to a two year, $8.75 million deal.
Phillies: Jonathan Papelbon's new contract has a $13 million option for 2016 that vests if he finishes 55 games in 2015 or 100 combined games between 2014-15.
While a handful of signings and a boatload of rumors are coming out of this week's meetings, the big story in baseball right now is the new collective bargaining agreement, which could be announced any day now. The latest rumor is that the new deal will end the practice of taking first round picks away from teams who sign Type A free agents, and will install penalties for teams that spend more than a certain allowance on draft picks (FanShot).
Today in former Brewers:
- The Orioles are revealing their new hats today, but Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun still says the Brewers' ball and glove logo was the greatest MLB hat of all time.
- Rollie Fingers has advanced to the semi-finals of The Outside Corner's MLB Mustache Madness tournament and now faces Sal Fasano.
Assuming they eventually get there, several new MLB GMs will be in attendance at the Pfister this week. Vince Caramela of The Hardball Times has a quick scouting report on the game's new top executives.
If we do nothing else this winter, perhaps we can help improve the baseball lexicon. Carson Cistulli of NotGraphs has twenty new terms for the curveball. I think "Breathtaking Short Film" might be my favorite.
This morning's edition of Today in Brewer History remembers a trade that brought pitcher Matt Kinney and catcher Javier Valentin to Milwaukee in 2002. Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's also the anniversary of Jim Bouton signing a one year, $22,000 contract with the Seattle Pilots. Bouton would later become better known for writing Ball Four.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to read the fine print.
Drink up.
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Would the no loss of 1st round draft picks for signing a Type A free agent start this year or next?
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 15, 2011 11:03 AM CST reply actions
I think it would start immediately, which would stink.
Also, doesn’t that take away a lot of leverage teams have in trades? If the other team’s offer isn’t good enough, the trading team doesn’t have the option to just keep the player and collect picks when they walk.
by Noah Jarosh on Nov 15, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You still get picks if you lose a guy, but those picks aren't coming from another team. They're new picks
At least that’s how I understood it.
Does that mean that the picks would come from the supplemental round?
Or does that mean that if Team A signs a type A FA from Team B, then Team B would get pick #23 or #21, assuming that Team A has pick #22?
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Nov 15, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
So we've talked about the shortstop situation a lot.
Most agree we probably won’t sign Reyes and Yuni would be a horrible C plan.
But who, among active major league shortstops, would you even less like to see in a Brewers uniform than Yuni. In other words, is Yuni really the worst possible option at shortstop, or is there someone else that would be even more painful for the Brewers to take on?
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 15, 2011 11:05 AM CST reply actions
Edgar Renteria in 2010 would like a word.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 15, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, referring to an awesome Theriot quote
Theriot noted, “When I was playing shortstop we were in first place. I know that. It is what it is.”
Get a ife broseph
There are more painful options
just by going by fWAR, Orlando Cabrera no longer has the glove to justify his weak bat. Ronny Cedeno was worse with the bat, but had the glove to back it up, and Jason Bartlett is not much of an improvement anyway. So outside of those guys, ANYONE is better than Yuni.
I’m still praying on Rollins or Barmes, but I’m very sure the Brewers SS solution will come through trading Grienke.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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I could suffer Yuni as long as it's a package deal.
We got 3.9 fWAR from Greinke to go along with Yuni. Give me another 3.9 fWAR player that can only be signed by saving money signing Yuni and I could stomach it. That’s the only situation.
Randy Wolf + Casey McGehee for Hanley Ramirez + salary?
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
Not a misnomer
Melvin is a “GM”.
He had some “meetings”.
Thus, “GM meetings” is an accurate label.
"Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forfty percent of all people know that."
Try it another way.
The event is called the “GM Meetings,” but at one point during the day yesterday roughly 3.3% of all MLB GMs were actually present.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 15, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Are you aware of any problems with photosharing, as of late, Nullacct?
I’m not provided with an option to access a code to embed my photos, and had a response picture/illustration for this! It’s important enough to share, so maybe I’ll just have to skip the process of finding out, and just post the image w/ link. Yarghhh.
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 15, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
This is the drawing : )

FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 15, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice Melvin!
I post my stuff at either imageshack or photobucket, and add the URL with the little photo widget. Seems to work ok.
Would you guys trade zack Greinke for Elvis Andrus or Jurickson Profar?
by KittenMittons on Nov 15, 2011 11:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think they would have to throw in another piece
to make it work, but as Super says above, the Rangers wouldnt do it.
Profar looks like he could be an amazing player, but he is still at least 3 years away, and hasnt really done anything yet at an advanced level.
Andrus is very attractive, but then what do the Rangers do at SS for the next 3 years?
Sign a free agent.
Not saying the Rangers would do this, but they could certainly afford to make this trade and then sign Barmes or Rollins or someone else for three years.
they could sign Yuni!
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 15, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So it's pretty clear now that....
… Reyes’s agent and/or Reyes himself want other GMs to believe the Brewers are working Reyes pretty hard. I guess Reyes is hoping for a little more money out of the Marlins before he signs.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 15, 2011 12:17 PM CST reply actions
DM isn't playing along
Not interested in driving up the price on him. If he were close to signing with the Cardinals I wonder if the situation were to be different.
Verlander wins Cy Young
meanwhile, Nyjer Morgan was at the Twilight movie premiere… link
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 15, 2011 1:16 PM CST reply actions
On an unrelated note...
I’m a little surprised to have not seen this suggested, but if Gamel doesn’t look like the guy for 1B, why not at least take a shot at a buy-low trade for Adam Dunn?
We discussed the possibilty a couple weeks ago a little
He’s got a mountain of a contract that someone has to eat.
There’s buying low, and then there’s buying what Adam Dunn was last season.
"We’re here to win, man. All that fighting stuff, that’s for the birds." - Prince Fielder
by SRB on Nov 15, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure someone
But let’s focus on Kotsay never putting on a Brewer uniform again!
Get a ife broseph
But the real question is whether I'm now obligated to change my username.
Maybe in 5 years we won’t even remember that he played for us and every time I post someone will ask “Who is Kotsay”?
by kotsaythebuzzkill on Nov 15, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Change it right away
No sense lingering on the past.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Nov 15, 2011 2:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 8 recs
he's seriously getting 1.25 million from SD?
goddamn
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 15, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
IF you use him correctly, he's not completely worthless
Worth more than a million dollars? No, but a guy with a pedigree of .330 OBP means he can be useful in pinch-hitting circumstances when all you need is a baserunner, not a HR. Play him in any other role and you’re an idiot. There are worse players out there than Kotsay.
by ecocd on Nov 15, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
not if you start them in center field in an important game
then he is the worst player in baseball.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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He's now got a big centerfield to roam.
by tcyoung on Nov 15, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Huh...
I’m sure him being a former Jeff Moorad client has nothing to do with it…
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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odds Brewers can sign Aramis Ramirez?
less than 1%?
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 15, 2011 1:56 PM CST reply actions
So you're say the Brewers are less able to sign Aramis than they are to sign Prince?
I got goons.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Nov 15, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Prince is less than 0% haha
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 15, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
fuck everything
RT @DKnobler Brewers have strong reservations about Furcal, probably not enough money for Reyes. May actually stick with Yuni at SS.
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 15, 2011 4:50 PM CST reply actions
Posturing.
Melvin met with Furcal’s agent yesterday. If he’s that concerned about Furcal’s ability, why sit down with his agent at all?
My guess is Kinzer asked for too much money for Furcal, and Melvin is doing his best to drive the price down.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 15, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Also
McCalvy says they’re talking to Clint Barmes’ agent tomorrow.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
That's the kind of rumor that makes no sense.
What is his source and what did they say?
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